Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

The Specialist

silverharp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/1136082671396884480

What a c*** - if that was my child that teacher would be getting the trophy surgically removed from their skull.

Calhoun

My daughter has autism, it would not end well for teacher that handed this out.

silverharp

just for the record, Im not suggesting there is any trend here , chalk it up to an individual teacher who either has no filter or is a nasty piece of work but either way probably shouldn't be working with kids. It would be bad enough if it was just a verbal comment but it would have taken weeks to organise what she did

H3llR4iser

The worst part is that this made the news only because the unfortunate kid happens to be autistic; Nobody seems to have an issue with the fact the prize was for the "Most Annoying MALE". I can't find information if there was also a "Most Annoying FEMALE" prize; It's difficult to find more accurate articles, especially seeing as many minor US news websites are currently freaking out about GDSP and simply putting a "no can't do" blocker for European visitors.

If the prize was just for the "most annoying MALE", well the fact the boy has his share of problems doesn't even factory in - this is a TEACHER, an educator that is supposed to be fair and evaluate students based on their study efforts and results; Someone which holds such a bias to go to the trouble of organizing the whole shenanigan should never be allowed in the field again.

Calhoun

It is crap that it's being ignore but hopefully something like this will make them think twice .

I don't know any school that would have got away with this in my day.

H3llR4iser

Calhoun wrote: »

It is crap that it's being ignore but hopefully something like this will make them think twice .

I don't know any school that would have got away with this in my day.

About the last part...probably they wouldn't have gotten away with something as stupid as a "most annoying" prize; However I remember clearly how during my school days, different policies were in place everywhere for boys and girls.

From primary school (circa 1986) to the day I finished school (whereabouts 1999), there were always different rules, where girls were trusted to "do the right thing" and boys would have various kinds of boundaries enforced on us.

For example, girls were allowed to go for toilette breaks in groups of 2 or even 3, often disappearing for the whole lesson (especially in the senior years), while boys were only allowed out of the class one at a time, and after 2-3 minutes, you could rest assured the teacher would send one of the janitors knocking on the stall door. Pretty embarrassing if you were having one of these "shouldn't have eaten that spicy salami last night" moments .

During secondary school there were entire areas of the building (e.g. labs and wherever there was something valuable), where boys weren't allowed unless escorted by a member of the staff, while girls could come and go as they pleased.

The justification? But obviously that boys are "messy", "unruly", "misbehaved"; They break things, they steal, they lie, they make noise; All of this said without a problem, seriously, straight to your face. Girls, on the other hand, were always trustworthy and well behaved...

iptba

H3llR4iser wrote: »

About the last part...probably they wouldn't have gotten away with something as stupid as a "most annoying" prize; However I remember clearly how during my school days, different policies were in place everywhere for boys and girls.

As I mentioned before, a friend of mine said in her primary school class in the 1980s, corporal punishment was only used/available against boys.

I went to an all boys school which also had corporal punishment while my sisters went to an all girls school which didn't.

The Specialist

H3llR4iser wrote: »

About the last part...probably they wouldn't have gotten away with something as stupid as a "most annoying" prize; However I remember clearly how during my school days, different policies were in place everywhere for boys and girls.

From primary school (circa 1986) to the day I finished school (whereabouts 1999), there were always different rules, where girls were trusted to "do the right thing" and boys would have various kinds of boundaries enforced on us.

For example, girls were allowed to go for toilette breaks in groups of 2 or even 3, often disappearing for the whole lesson (especially in the senior years), while boys were only allowed out of the class one at a time, and after 2-3 minutes, you could rest assured the teacher would send one of the janitors knocking on the stall door. Pretty embarrassing if you were having one of these "shouldn't have eaten that spicy salami last night" moments .

During secondary school there were entire areas of the building (e.g. labs and wherever there was something valuable), where boys weren't allowed unless escorted by a member of the staff, while girls could come and go as they pleased.

The justification? But obviously that boys are "messy", "unruly", "misbehaved"; They break things, they steal, they lie, they make noise; All of this said without a problem, seriously, straight to your face. Girls, on the other hand, were always trustworthy and well behaved...

I had the same experience as you man (90-98 primary), girls let away with absolute piss taking while every fella was timed and commented on when he came back to the class. Basically every male student was a 2nd class citizen compared to the “ladies” in the class.

I can’t say it didn’t contribute to my existing hatred of feminism because it certainly did. I had a female teacher in 4th class who decided one day to racially abuse me and make a class laugh over my surname (A foreign name, no Murphy on me) . I left school that day crying and both my mam and dad were ready to kill her over it. I met her some years later thankfully, and let her know in person what a horrible rotten **** she was.

Boys will always be targeted in those environments, the girls can’t do any wrong until they are caught red handed and even then it will be because the patriarchy made them do it or some other vapid **** of an excuse.

Kimsang

The Specialist wrote: »

I had the same experience as you man (90-98 primary), girls let away with absolute piss taking while every fella was timed and commented on when he came back to the class. Basically every male student was a 2nd class citizen compared to the “ladies” in the class.

I can’t say it didn’t contribute to my existing hatred of feminism because it certainly did. I had a female teacher in 4th class who decided one day to racially abuse me and make a class laugh over my surname (A foreign name, no Murphy on me) . I left school that day crying and both my mam and dad were ready to kill her over it. I met her some years later thankfully, and let her know in person what a horrible rotten **** she was.

Boys will always be targeted in those environments, the girls can’t do any wrong until they are caught red handed and even then it will be because the patriarchy made them do it or some other vapid **** of an excuse.

Unfortunately there are not a lot of male role models for young boys in our society. I do remember fondly one of my male teachers who was so different from all the rest, who wasn't vindictive, who wasn't quick to anger.

alchemist33

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0610/1054532-the-issues-with-how-the-irish-media-represent-domestic-violence/

Article entitled: The issues with how the Irish media represent domestic violence

Subheading: Analysis: How the media shapes the national understanding of domestic violence really matters, but unfortunately, it often tend to give audiences and readers simplistic, inadequate and distorted representations.

Article: only talks about domestic abuse being perpetrated on women by men.

A worthy topic, but ironically commits the sins she talks about. Not surprisingly, nowhere for the public to comment.

Kimsang

alchemist33 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0610/1054532-the-issues-with-how-the-irish-media-represent-domestic-violence/

Article entitled: The issues with how the Irish media represent domestic violence

Subheading: Analysis: How the media shapes the national understanding of domestic violence really matters, but unfortunately, it often tend to give audiences and readers simplistic, inadequate and distorted representations.

Article: only talks about domestic abuse being perpetrated on women by men.

A worthy topic, but ironically commits the sins she talks about. Not surprisingly, nowhere for the public to comment.

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Kintarō Hattori

A Dutch university will only appoint female academic staff for at least the next 18 months to improve its gender balance. In what it calls a “bold” move, Eindhoven University of Technology has introduced a new program, the Irène Curie Fellowship — named after celebrated scientist Marie Curie’s daughter — to only appoint female professors, associate and assistant professors.

Just saw that on linkedin. That seems fairly shocking.

Kimsang

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Just saw that on linkedin. That seems fairly shocking.

At least its just one university! Thankfully, we can look at the results they have in twenty years time compared to the rest

iptba

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Just saw that on linkedin. That seems fairly shocking.

A Dutch university will only appoint female academic staff for at least the next 18 months to improve its gender balance. In what it calls a “bold” move, Eindhoven University of Technology has introduced a new program, the Irène Curie Fellowship — named after celebrated scientist Marie Curie’s daughter — to only appoint female professors, associate and assistant professors. The university has the Netherlands’ lowest proportion of women in its academic workforce with 16% of full professors, 15% of associate professors and 29% assistant professors. •

I've looked into this a bit more and have seen it described as an engineering university. They seem to be ignoring the fact that engineering has one of the lowest proportions of female undergraduates and the like.

H3llR4iser

iptba wrote: »

I've looked into this a bit more and have seen it described as an engineering university. They seem to be ignoring the fact that engineering has one of the lowest proportions of female undergraduates and the like.

Actually, these numbers look fairly positive - over the years, I've been able to more or less identify the share of men vs. women in engineering, specifically software and generally IT related, at about 10%.

I was just reviewing the CVs I got months ago when we were looking to backfill a position in my team, and sure enough - 38 CVs, 4 are women (better than the usual 10%!!!).

Funny thing - I ended up hiring one of these 4 women because she was the best all-round candidate, not because of her gender...I wonder if I still qualify for a "Feminist Champion" medal

splashuum

I was recently accused of being a sexist for offering to walk a female friend home.(late at night) Bizarre

Pawwed Rig

splashuum wrote: »

I was recently accused of being a sexist for offering to walk a female friend home.(late at night) Bizarre

There was an article on this issue a couple of years ago. This is victim blaming. What you are meant to do is ensure you that she doesn't need someone to walk her home. Patriarchy. Simples

The Specialist

splashuum wrote: »

I was recently accused of being a sexist for offering to walk a female friend home.(late at night) Bizarre

Strong independent women can pay for their own taxi. Remember that next time your friend feels anxious about going home alone.

Calhoun

splashuum wrote: »

I was recently accused of being a sexist for offering to walk a female friend home.(late at night) Bizarre

Lol who accused you ?

splashuum

Calhoun wrote: »

splashuum wrote: »

I was recently accused of being a sexist for offering to walk a female friend home.(late at night) Bizarre

Lol who accused you ?

The person I offered to walk home ... lol

Calhoun

splashuum wrote: »

The person I offered to walk home ... lol

lol , well you learnt a lesson didn't you. You see it works like this us men who don't have feminism don't have bullet proof shields that keep us from harm.

Everyone knows if you embrace feminism you can go where ever you want and do what you want as nothing bad happens.

Calhoun

Looks like Miss Piggy is spreading her sexist message again https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/creation-of-womenonly-university-posts-not-about-keeping-men-out-of-power-says-mary-mitchell-oconnor-38240808.html .

Sincerely hope she looses her seat ,I also hope this role is challenged legally. She is making way to much noise about how it's legal for their not to be some form of legal challenge.

hots

Calhoun wrote: »

Looks like Miss Piggy is spreading her sexist message again https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/creation-of-womenonly-university-posts-not-about-keeping-men-out-of-power-says-mary-mitchell-oconnor-38240808.html .

Sincerely hope she looses her seat ,I also hope this role is challenged legally. She is making way to much noise about how it's legal for their not to be some form of legal challenge.

It's frustrating because I think, in general, at senior levels having a pretty close to 50-50 split in gender is a good thing... not the most important thing obviously, but it has some positives and no negatives.



No negatives, unless you have people taking ham-fisted approaches to fixing the problem like this of course. Whether it's well-meaning or not, it's a stupid way to bring parity, you have to make sure there's a level playing field and no un-equal barriers and then let things take their course.

Calhoun

It's FG if they really cared about gender balance they would also look at the other areas under her brief like primary teaching ECT.

They don't they just want to hit a certain demogaphic and lol like they are progressive with very little work and also by discrimination against half their population.

Makes you wonder what kind of duds we have in our education sector of women need crap like this. Then again Mary is that type of dud.

hots

"The minister said terms like “may the best man win” or “the best man for the job” - while they may be throwaway terms - had “nestled far too comfortably into everyday language” and become the norm."

Jesus christ maybe focus on the important issues.

Calhoun

It's quite smart of her, she is selling a narrative . Every other ministerial brief she has had she has failed at, by dialing into gender studies she looks like she is doing something when she is doing little but further divide.

kazamo

Calhoun wrote: »

Looks like Miss Piggy is spreading her sexist message again https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/creation-of-womenonly-university-posts-not-about-keeping-men-out-of-power-says-mary-mitchell-oconnor-38240808.html .

Sincerely hope she looses her seat ,I also hope this role is challenged legally. She is making way to much noise about how it's legal for their not to be some form of legal challenge.

Unlikely to lose her seat....the other FG TD for Dun Laoghaire is Maria Bailey. Now theres a difficult choice on polling day if Bailey gets that far.

Calhoun

What is sad about it is you have so many strong women of integrity having to look at these two shots basically getting a free meal ticket.

You are correct though lol. Even if she does get back in she might not be a minister.

iptba

kazamo wrote: »

Unlikely to lose her seat....the other FG TD for Dun Laoghaire is Maria Bailey. Now theres a difficult choice on polling day if Bailey gets that far.

With the gender quotas, they are probably more likely to stay on the ticket than otherwise.

The Specialist

iptba wrote: »

With the gender quotas, they are probably more likely to stay on the ticket than otherwise.

Says a lot about gender quotas when you end up with a choice between 2 imbeciles.