Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

Spanish Eyes · 10-09-2018 8:23pm

The media refused to give balanced reporting on this. That is a big gripe of mine.

Therefore most people reading papers or online only heard one side of the story. And that will continue.

When will working/contributing people get a voice? Not very soon by the looks of it. Yet we are paying for everything, and often cannot afford to live anywhere we like either. Because we have to actually, you know, pay for it and take what we can get. Commute, pay for childcare, pay taxes, PRSI, USC, the usual.

NasserShammaz · 10-09-2018 8:29pm

tuxy wrote: »

That can't be right there's no broken fridge in that garden

ShaneC93 · 10-09-2018 8:31pm

NasserShammaz wrote: »

tuxy wrote: »

That can't be right there's no broken fridge in that garden

Not yet - they've only been in that house a week, give it time.

NasserShammaz · 10-09-2018 8:32pm

And probably evicted next week, good place to buy a house what with the plunge in the prices in that area

10-09-2018 8:35pm

ShaneC93 wrote: »

Not yet - they've only been in that house a week, give it time.

Hasn’t she only got a room in a B n B?

ShaneC93 · 10-09-2018 8:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

ShaneC93 wrote: »

Not yet - they've only been in that house a week, give it time.

Hasn’t she only got a room in a B n B?

Maybe, not 100% on the latest. I thought she had gotten a house in Drumcondra and there was a story on her last week complaining about how she had enrolled her kids in school in Tallaght so she would have to spend 2 hours a day on the Luas.

NasserShammaz · 10-09-2018 8:44pm

ShaneC93 wrote: »

Maybe, not 100% on the latest. I thought she had gotten a house in Drumcondra and there was a story on her last week complaining about how she had enrolled her kids in school in Tallaght so she would have to spend 2 hours a day on the Luas.

3 bed house I believe/ Where I don't know. She was on Parnell St then moved but was indeed moaning about having to get the LUAS "for to bring the childer to school" Think she might run for president

jay0109 · 10-09-2018 8:44pm

The fact that the school term has started and she isn't screaming all over Fb about bringing kids to school on the Luas backs up my theory from a while back on this thread that the Council have a taxi literally at her beck and call.
And he fact that she's not ranting about still being in a 1 bed b&b indicates she's got something bigger in Drumcondra.

She's no doubt being advised by Innercity Homeless/ Dept Soc Welfare to stop talking about her latest handout/gaff. Hence she's focusing her online musings to private matters!

Spanish Eyes · 10-09-2018 8:48pm

She has a people carrier and drives her car. Some said it was a Merc, that may be true, but she has private transport. Luas is for the hanky to the eyes brigade.

Some people working cannot afford either a house or a car and struggle on.

10-09-2018 8:49pm

jay0109 wrote: »

The fact that the school term has started and she isn't screaming all over Fb about bringing kids to school on the Luas backs up my theory from a while back on this thread that the Council have a taxi literally at her beck and call.
And he fact that she's not ranting about still being in a 1 bed b&b indicates she's got something bigger in Drumcondra.

She's no doubt being advised by Innercity Homeless/ Dept Soc Welfare to stop talking about her latest handout/gaff. Hence she's focusing her online musings to private matters!

I think that she got her knuckles rapped on Facebook.

Spanish Eyes · 10-09-2018 8:51pm

ShaneC93 wrote: »

Not yet - they've only been in that house a week, give it time.

The lady in that pic is the image of the former drug mule Michaela McCollum, before she went blonde and had twins!

https://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/07/NINTCHDBPICT000025736337.jpg?strip%3Dall%26w%3D720%26quality%3D100&imgrefurl=https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2933721/michaella-mccollum-melissa-reid-peru-two-drugs/&h=960&w=720&tbnid=bCbHJiWLk2sc4M:&q=michaella+mccollum&tbnh=186&tbnw=139&usg=AFrqEzeRiCKI50EOfe4Z-rX95azyTY38YA&vet=12ahUKEwi3zofEmrHdAhUHAcAKHTPgCc4Q_B0wCnoECAoQCQ..i&docid=R7zq6kY-28sxoM&itg=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi3zofEmrHdAhUHAcAKHTPgCc4Q_B0wCnoECAoQCQ

NasserShammaz · 10-09-2018 8:52pm

jay0109 wrote: »

The fact that the school term has started and she isn't screaming all over Fb about bringing kids to school on the Luas backs up my theory from a while back on this thread that the Council have a taxi literally at her beck and call.
And he fact that she's not ranting about still being in a 1 bed b&b indicates she's got something bigger in Drumcondra.

She's no doubt being advised by Innercity Homeless/ Dept Soc Welfare to stop talking about her latest handout/gaff. Hence she's focusing her online musings to private matters!

She won't leave it, she will eventually start gobbin off about something ,not having a big TV/Washing machine/Kids not having Nikes...... and any sympathy left in fools who still thinks she a cause celebre will evapourate and the council will HOPEFULLY drop kick her back to the trailer park she crawled from

pablo128 · 10-09-2018 8:53pm

pablo128 wrote: »

The Cash one has blonde hair. Your one in the pic has black hair so I'm guessing it's Mrs Cash husband's bit on the side. And for all we know she may be a contributing member of society.

She looks amazingly like Michaela Mc Collum in that pic though!:pac:

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The lady in that pic is the image of the former drug mule Michaela McCollum, before she went blonde and had twins!

https://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/07/NINTCHDBPICT000025736337.jpg?strip%3Dall%26w%3D720%26quality%3D100&imgrefurl=https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2933721/michaella-mccollum-melissa-reid-peru-two-drugs/&h=960&w=720&tbnid=bCbHJiWLk2sc4M:&q=michaella+mccollum&tbnh=186&tbnw=139&usg=AFrqEzeRiCKI50EOfe4Z-rX95azyTY38YA&vet=12ahUKEwi3zofEmrHdAhUHAcAKHTPgCc4Q_B0wCnoECAoQCQ..i&docid=R7zq6kY-28sxoM&itg=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi3zofEmrHdAhUHAcAKHTPgCc4Q_B0wCnoECAoQCQ

I beat you to it the other day.;)

ShaneC93 · 10-09-2018 8:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that she got her knuckles rapped on Facebook.

Pretty sure she got temporarily suspended for posting the profile of the woman in the picture and telling her FB friends to attack her on FB.

Spanish Eyes · 10-09-2018 8:54pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I beat you to it the other day.;)

Good to see my eyesight is still ok

Emme · 11-09-2018 9:37am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Because we have to actually, you know, pay for it and take what we can get. Commute, pay for childcare, pay taxes, PRSI, USC, the usual.

And often what's left barely covers the basics :mad:

PlaneSpeeking · 11-09-2018 9:57am

Emme wrote: »

And often what's left barely covers the basics :mad:

True story. Who hasn't had to delay going the doctors due to not being able to afford it ?

I guarantee they've Medical Cards for every last one of them.

upandcumming · 11-09-2018 9:59am

NIMAN wrote: »

We can't do anything about people like Cash now...that horse has already bolted. They will unfortunately need support and the states money.

But our Government should be making positive changes now, and bringing them in slowly over the next decade or two, to discourage people from choosing a life like this, and insisting the taxpayer pay for scumbags who have no interest in work and who can see how to play the system for their advantage.

Take away the ability to play the system.

The next decade or two? It should be the next budget or two.

KrustyUCC · 11-09-2018 10:12am

The only way welfare rates in this country is going is up

BelovedAunt · 11-09-2018 10:14am

jay0109 wrote: »

The fact that the school term has started and she isn't screaming all over Fb about bringing kids to school on the Luas backs up my theory from a while back on this thread that the Council have a taxi literally at her beck and call.

I saw her at the bus stop in Drumcondra the other day so it's unlikely.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 11-09-2018 10:31am

Sofiztikated wrote: »

A genuine question, what do people actually want to do with someone like Cash?

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

11-09-2018 10:47am

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

This post is worth repeating. There is something seriously wrong when a hard working family are bringing in less than a family living on welfare.

PlaneSpeeking · 11-09-2018 12:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This post is worth repeating. There is something seriously wrong when a hard working family are bringing in less than a family living on welfare.

Never mind repeating, that needs tattooing on the chest of Eoin O'Broian!

Agent Smith · 11-09-2018 12:20pm

tomofson wrote: »

I think this thread has ran its course, think its time to lock mods.

ah how are ya Margaret?

Dannyriver · 11-09-2018 12:24pm

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

You need to tell that to some of the other posters on the thread because a cursory glance at any of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread very clearly illustrates that people see her and her children as very much the problem and the target of their ire and at times venom.

Wheeliebin30 · 11-09-2018 12:26pm

Dannyriver wrote: »

You need to tell that to some of the other posters on the thread because a cursory glance at any of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread very clearly illustrates that people see her and her children as very much the problem and the target of their ire and at times venom.

The system is there to help people in need and I applaud our government for that.

This one is abusing and scamming the system.

She is responsible for her actions and nobody else.

See that word responsible????

erica74 · 11-09-2018 12:29pm

Dannyriver wrote: »

You need to tell that to some of the other posters on the thread because a cursory glance at any of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread very clearly illustrates that people see her and her children as very much the problem and the target of their ire and at times venom.

Have you ever heard of personal responsibility? You must have, even with just a cursory glance of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread, you'll have read about personal responsibility and what it means. Yet, for some reason, you still don't seem to understand it.

Dannyriver · 11-09-2018 12:36pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

The system is there to help people in need and I applaud our government for that.

This one is abusing and scamming the system.

She is responsible for her actions and nobody else.

See that word responsible????

I agree but unfortunately some posters on here need to take personal responsibility for the generalisations and singling out of children for their uncontrolled vitriol. Responsibility is always a 2 way street.

PlaneSpeeking · 11-09-2018 12:56pm

Dannyriver wrote: »

I agree but unfortunately some posters on here need to take personal responsibility for the generalisations and singling out of children for their uncontrolled vitriol. Responsibility is always a 2 way street.

Vitriol ? Try "justified fury".

Dannyriver · 11-09-2018 1:02pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Vitriol ? Try "justified fury".

I cant you ve used it all up:eek:

PlaneSpeeking · 11-09-2018 3:46pm

Dannyriver wrote: »

I cant you ve used it all up:eek:

I bet that sounded so much wittier in your head eh ?

Dannyriver · 11-09-2018 4:27pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I bet that sounded so much wittier in your head eh ?

It gotta rise out of you clearly

Commanchie · 11-09-2018 4:31pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Never mind repeating, that needs tattooing on the chest of Eoin O'Broian!

*O Broin, Youre welcome.

What is your issue with housing being afforded to this woman.

jay0109 · 11-09-2018 4:45pm

Watch out, the injuns have arrived :rolleyes:

end of the road · 11-09-2018 4:46pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Her and her husband are still doing what you suggest regardless of their welfare income.

they are, but they are likely to do a lot more of it if there were no wellfare payments.

end of the road · 11-09-2018 4:56pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

The system is there to help people in need and I applaud our government for that.

This one is abusing and scamming the system.

She is responsible for her actions and nobody else.

See that word responsible????

in what way is she abusing and scamming the system. to be scamming the system she would surely have to be breaking the actual rules of that system. from what i have saw, she hasn't broken any actual rules in relation to her availing of the system therefore is not scamming it.
now certainly her choices that have caused her to end up where she is are questionable, and in relation to the criminal activity she is said to have been involved in, very very wrong. but from what i can see she isn't scamming or abusing but simply availing of what she is entitled to.
if you genuinely believe that she is scamming and abusing the system then by all means report your concerns to the wellfare and authorities.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Vitriol ? Try "justified fury".

no lets call it what it is, vitriol.

Gatling · 11-09-2018 5:15pm

BelovedAunt wrote: »

I saw her at the bus stop in Drumcondra the other day so it's unlikely.

Actually she's posted selfies while driving previously , chances are she is driving and owns a car ,
She would have needed a car to move her mobile home around tallaght

Kivaro · 11-09-2018 5:21pm

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

Wonder if we could sticky this post.
And e-mail it to all the politicians in the country because they have completely forgotten what is a "fair society" in Ireland. Maybe they'd develop a spine in response to the truth.
And mail it as a letter to RTE and to the other so-called media outlets in the country, who never reported this aspect of the Margaret Cash story.

Vizzy · 11-09-2018 5:50pm

end of the road wrote: »

they are, but they are likely to do a lot more of it if there were no wellfare payments.

So, you think that it is acceptable to continue to pay exorbitant welfare just in case they would get involved in criminal behaviour if it was reduced ?

Must try that when I am seeking my next pay increase - "Pay me more or I will rob everything in sight"

end of the road · 11-09-2018 6:57pm

Vizzy wrote: »

So, you think that it is acceptable to continue to pay exorbitant welfare just in case they would get involved in criminal behaviour if it was reduced ?

if it costs less then dealing with their criminal behaviour, both monitary and socially, then yes

Grab All Association · 11-09-2018 8:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

they are, but they are likely to do a lot more of it if there were no wellfare payments.

Lobotomies and sterilisation would be a final solution to this. Psychiatric drugs to alter personality first though. Refusal to engage with social services to change your life around then given a lobotomy. It's the only way to stop the scumbags.
Mental homes are already there and serve better as prisons than for health services.
The scum that stole the Chinese mans stuff on the route x12 I mentioned a few months ago they did so knowing it was caught on CCTV by Bus Éireann. They lack the ability to think about the consequences of their actions. It's like the scorpion and the tortoise.

suicide_circus · 11-09-2018 8:32pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

Lobotomies and sterilisation would be a final solution to this. Psychiatric drugs to alter personality first though. Refusal to engage with social services to change your life around then given a lobotomy. It's the only way to stop the scumbags.

Careful now...

Igotadose · 11-09-2018 8:35pm

end of the road wrote: »

if it costs less then dealing with their criminal behaviour, both monitary and socially, then yes

Where do you draw the line? Lots of money is spent by the government on things that could be economized on. Measuring the cost of criminal behavior is nigh-on impossible - what's the cost to the victim?

suicide_circus · 11-09-2018 8:43pm

there is no point going after Ms Cash at this stage, she is unemployable and is essentially a toddler - completely dependant on mammy (the state) for every aspect of her needs and wants.

what does need to happen however is that her way of life will not be viable for her children. if we allow them to become as completely inept and permanently infantilised as their mother then we will have let them down and robbed them of their chance to live full lives. I do not want my kids paying for Ms Cash's kids, that would be an utter social failure.

Spanish Eyes · 11-09-2018 8:45pm

email your friendly Minister for Social Protection. I have.

No point in wittering on here (although it can be cathartic) without putting our views across to those who actually have some power to change things.

The irony in all this is that FG is the more right of Centre in politics but they may as well be PBP. They are so reliant on Indos and FF to keep themselves afloat that they will do anything.

Sometimes (despite the despicable CJH) I think an overall majority could be a good thing. Even for a term of Government. But it ain't going to happen any time soon. So the lefties have it in the bag even though most of them were not elected. Bullhorn socialists are running this country now and the working/contributing person has no voice anymore.

To the barricades mes amis!

end of the road · 11-09-2018 9:09pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

Lobotomies and sterilisation would be a final solution to this. Psychiatric drugs to alter personality first though. Refusal to engage with social services to change your life around then given a lobotomy. It's the only way to stop the scumbags.
Mental homes are already there and serve better as prisons than for health services.
The scum that stole the Chinese mans stuff on the route x12 I mentioned a few months ago they did so knowing it was caught on CCTV by Bus Éireann. They lack the ability to think about the consequences of their actions. It's like the scorpion and the tortoise.

well none of that is going to happen, and rightly so. it would quite likely breach human rights law, given a lot of these people technically won't have an actual mental illness. also, mental institutions work better as mental institutions, as they serve very different purposes to prisons, if people commit crime then they should be in prison, something that hasn't anything to do with wellfare as such. however if wellfare also helps reduce criminality, then paying it will quite likely work out cheaper then the alternative of more criminality and more prisons.
the scum that stole from the chinese chap likely do know about the consiquences but don't care.

suicide_circus wrote: »

there is no point going after Ms Cash at this stage, she is unemployable and is essentially a toddler - completely dependant on mammy (the state) for every aspect of her needs and wants.

what does need to happen however is that her way of life will not be viable for her children. if we allow them to become as completely inept and permanently infantilised as their mother then we will have let them down and robbed them of their chance to live full lives. I do not want my kids paying for Ms Cash's kids, that would be an utter social failure.

indeed and that is why we need to reform the education service, and fund all the authorities and services properly, so that her kids will get an education, and be shown the value of work and the benefits it does bring. this means changing the minimum age for staying in education to 18 from 16, and insuring the authorities can check up on all people who are not sending their children to school, with (if needs be) someone to actually take the children 2 and from school and to insure they stay there.
what we want won't be achieved by slashing wellfare or jailing or whatever. it will only be achieved through education and proper funding of services.

Victor Meldrew · 11-09-2018 9:43pm

What I want to know is who is accountable for ensuring all kids who are not mentally handicapped leave school literate, enumerate and skilled enough to be further educated or trained into being employable adults.

The state failed in and around 2006 to keep Margaret in school, and to protect her from her feckless culture. Handwringng piety of social inclusion has delivered anything but.

Attitudes are hardening against fecklessness.

Children's allowance should be struck off for parents who don't send their kids to school.

It is pathetic that there are traveller families who are only now sending their kids to secondary school. I know of one such case. A girl, now in second year is the first of her family to go to secondary school.

The rest were thrown on the economic and social scrap heap.

As always, it is the traveller men who drive this due to their inadequacy and "pride".

Sacrificing their children lest they become independent. The polar opposite of what normal people do.

Paulzx · 11-09-2018 9:52pm

end of the road wrote: »

indeed and that is why we need to reform the education service, and fund all the authorities and services properly, so that her kids will get an education, and be shown the value of work and the benefits it does bring

The problem is that the kids are in school and under the influence of people that teach productive values to them for approx 5 hours per day.

The other 19 hours per day are spent under the influence of people (their parents) that set an example that it is ok to freeload and spend your whole existance expecting the state to pay for your every need.

The kids don't stand a chance. The problem is inter generational and is never going to stop until we as a society refuse to support someones choice not to contribute back into society

Vizzy · 11-09-2018 9:58pm

end of the road wrote: »

however if wellfare also helps reduce criminality, then paying it will quite likely work out cheaper then the alternative of more criminality and more prisons.

And here we have it folks, the more criminality from people, the more we should pay them.

"Your honour, my client agrees that he will desist from criminality once he receives €X extra in welfare, BUT, he reserves the right to go back to crime once he is unhappy with the amount. What do you think your honour ?"

Judge - "seems fair".

Jesus, are you for real ?

11-09-2018 10:10pm

end of the road wrote: »

if it costs less then dealing with their criminal behaviour, both monitary and socially, then yes

So we should pay people not to commit crime?
Can everyone avail of this??

That is the most ridiculous statement I have seen you post and it has had some stiff competition.

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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