Should Cork City Council change place names that could offend the new Irish?

realitykeeper · 08-05-2018 9:35pm #1

There are a number of youth hostels on Wellington Road and French tourists sometimes stay there. In order to be diplomatic to our fellow EU citizens, should Cork City Council change the name of Wellington road to something that is more patriotic to the Irish and less offensive to the French? Similarly, surely it is time to find a more diplomatic name for Trafalgar hill, in case a French person sees it.

Irish heroes are less likely to cause offense as Ireland was never a country of international warmongering. If for some reason, our city Councillors do not want to make such changes, then how about disguising the potentially offensive English names by using an Irish only version, maybe something like Bóthár O`Wellicáin, instead of Wellington Road.

Also, Zimbabwean students may be attending UCC which is near Victoria Cross. Under a royal charter granted by Queen Victoria, the Zimbabwean city of Bulawayo was once burned to the ground, among countless other atrocities around Africa and the world. Surely, in the interests of diplomacy, Cork City Council should immediately change these offensive place names just as UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

Am I wrong?

Donnielighto · 08-05-2018 9:36pm

The place names are fine.

realitykeeper · 08-05-2018 9:47pm

Donnielighto wrote: »

The place names are fine.

I appreciate the Blue shirts want to annoy the Sinners but do they want to annoy everyone else too? What of the Zimbabweans? What of the French?

colm_mcm · 08-05-2018 9:53pm

Maybe the tourists can try to not stay in addresses that offend them?

Maybe they already do?

Zaph · 08-05-2018 9:55pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Am I wrong?

realitykeeper · 08-05-2018 10:01pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Maybe the tourists can try to not stay in addresses that offend them?

Maybe they already do?

Well yes, like addresses in other countries that don`t offend.

yenom · 08-05-2018 10:24pm

Wellington was one of the most famous Irishmen of all time.

I'm suspicious that this topic is just a wind up.

realitykeeper · 09-05-2018 4:22am

yenom wrote: »

Wellington was one of the most famous Irishmen of all time.

I'm suspicious that this topic is just a wind up.

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English. Lest we forget, the foreigners who took our land were no less foreign for their theft. As far as I am concerned, that truth applies as much to their descendants as it did to Cromwell.

This is why my heart rejoices so much when I hear of land expropriation without compensation in South Africa and now in Namibia also. Ireland paid billions to get (most of) our land back, when it should instead have received billions in back rent for 700 years of occupation.

NIMAN · 09-05-2018 5:20am

Maybe these visitors aren't so petty to be annoyed or offended by the name of a street?

No reason for you to be offended on their behalf.

whisky_galore · 09-05-2018 8:51am

I would be pretty confident that the tourists, students and backpackers don't give a flying fcuk what the streets are called.

It's just you being insecure and offended for other people.

thomil · 09-05-2018 9:20am

whisky_galore wrote: »

I would be pretty confident that the tourists, students and backpackers don't give a flying fcuk what the streets are called.

It's just you being insecure and offended for other people.

As a foreigner (German) myself, I have to agree. I don’t give a rat’s behind whether a street is named after Wellington, Churchill, Georgi Zhukov, Patton, Eisenhower, or whoever!!

GavRedKing · 09-05-2018 9:21am

The places arent called Nazi avenue or Holocaust road, I dont think anyone is going to get offended by some throw back to ye old Empire days.

For Forks Sake · 09-05-2018 9:39am

realitykeeper wrote: »

There are a number of youth hostels on Wellington Road and French tourists sometimes stay there. In order to be diplomatic to our fellow EU citizens, should Cork City Council change the name of Wellington road to something that is more patriotic to the Irish and less offensive to the French? Similarly, surely it is time to find a more diplomatic name for Trafalgar hill, in case a French person sees it.

Irish heroes are less likely to cause offense as Ireland was never a country of international warmongering. If for some reason, our city Councillors do not want to make such changes, then how about disguising the potentially offensive English names by using an Irish only version, maybe something like Br O`Wellic, instead of Wellington Road.

Also, Zimbabwean students may be attending UCC which is near Victoria Cross. Under a royal charter granted by Queen Victoria, the Zimbabwean city of Bulawayo was once burned to the ground, among countless other atrocities around Africa and the world. Surely, in the interests of diplomacy, Cork City Council should immediately change these offensive place names just as UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

Am I wrong?

Yes.

Even by your (uniquely low) standards, this thread is abject nonsense.

jaykay74 · 09-05-2018 9:41am

realitykeeper wrote: »

rabble rabble

the state of this lad

Roger Hassenforder · 09-05-2018 6:33pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English.

He was worse, he was a Jackeen...

who_me · 09-05-2018 6:42pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

He was worse, he was a Jackeen...

Euuuh. We definitely should change it then.

Oafley Jones · 09-05-2018 6:47pm

Can you report a poster’s username as false advertising?

as_mo_bhosca · 09-05-2018 6:54pm

The irony of the OP's username!

09-05-2018 7:08pm

As long as they leave Faggot Hill alone I don't care

yenom · 09-05-2018 9:48pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English. Lest we forget, the foreigners who took our land were no less foreign for their theft. As far as I am concerned, that truth applies as much to their descendants as it did to Cromwell.

This is why my heart rejoices so much when I hear of land expropriation without compensation in South Africa and now in Namibia also. Ireland paid billions to get (most of) our land back, when it should instead have received billions in back rent for 700 years of occupation.

Why was he English and not Welsh?

Pat Mustard · 09-05-2018 9:58pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

The places arent called Nazi avenue or Holocaust road, I dont think anyone is going to get offended by some throw back to ye old Empire days.

Sure what's wrong with Holocaust Road. Surely it would only become a problem if it was Holocaust Denier road?

opti76 · 09-05-2018 10:11pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

There are a number of youth hostels on Wellington Road and French tourists sometimes stay there. In order to be diplomatic to our fellow EU citizens, should Cork City Council change the name of Wellington road to something that is more patriotic to the Irish and less offensive to the French? Similarly, surely it is time to find a more diplomatic name for Trafalgar hill, in case a French person sees it.

Irish heroes are less likely to cause offense as Ireland was never a country of international warmongering. If for some reason, our city Councillors do not want to make such changes, then how about disguising the potentially offensive English names by using an Irish only version, maybe something like Br O`Wellic, instead of Wellington Road.

Also, Zimbabwean students may be attending UCC which is near Victoria Cross. Under a royal charter granted by Queen Victoria, the Zimbabwean city of Bulawayo was once burned to the ground, among countless other atrocities around Africa and the world. Surely, in the interests of diplomacy, Cork City Council should immediately change these offensive place names just as UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

Am I wrong?

yes....

realitykeeper · 09-05-2018 10:50pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe these visitors aren't so petty to be annoyed or offended by the name of a street?

No reason for you to be offended on their behalf.

Then why are people in South Africa defacing statues of Queen Victoria?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_KoTKGbj8

realitykeeper · 09-05-2018 10:54pm

thomil wrote: »

As a foreigner (German) myself, I have to agree. I don’t give a rat’s behind whether a street is named after Wellington, Churchill, Georgi Zhukov, Patton, Eisenhower, or whoever!!

It always amuses me when someone claims to be something that cannot be verified, as if that adds credence to their assertion.

realitykeeper · 09-05-2018 11:10pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

He was worse, he was a Jackeen...

I think the Afrikaners have a name for those with one foot in South Africa and the other in Britain, i.e. soutpeil. Sout meaning salt and (politely speaking), peil refers to the Englishmen`s willies. One wonders if they would consider Wellington to be an honorary soutpeil.

italodisco · 09-05-2018 11:14pm

Dear lord, just when I thought the ultra left / social justice movement couldn't get any more ridiculous lol

There must be something else more important for you to worry about, this has to be one of the most pointless threads

Owryan · 09-05-2018 11:20pm

italodisco wrote: »

Dear lord, just when I thought the ultra left / social justice movement couldn't get any more ridiculous lol

There must be something else more important for you to worry about, this has to be one of the most pointless threads

The op is not known for living up to his username. Been predicting an economic collapse for years now. It was due last year, so it looks like they have moved onto another topic noone cares about.

realitykeeper · 09-05-2018 11:24pm

italodisco wrote: »

Dear lord, just when I thought the ultra left / social justice movement couldn't get any more ridiculous lol

There must be something else more important for you to worry about, this has to be one of the most pointless threads

I am actually very right wing. It is an anomaly in this country that nationalism is associated with the far left, like the Sinners for example. In other countries, it is the right that tends to be nationalist.

realitykeeper · 09-05-2018 11:28pm

Owryan wrote: »

The op is not known for living up to his username. Been predicting an economic collapse for years now. It was due last year, so it looks like they have moved onto another topic noone cares about.

Being early is different to being wrong. I try to warn people for their sake, not mine.

italodisco · 09-05-2018 11:31pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

I am actually very right wing. It is an anomaly in this country that nationalism is associated with the far left, like the Sinners for example. In other countries, it is the right that tends to be nationalist.

Okay, but come on now, be honest, this thread was just don't for a laugh right?

Please say it's so

An Ri rua · 09-05-2018 11:50pm

realitykeeper wrote:

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English. Lest we forget, the foreigners who took our land were no less foreign for their theft. As far as I am concerned, that truth applies as much to their descendants as it did to Cromwell.

Wellington was an Irishman, who despised Ireland. Read more history.

realitykeeper wrote:

This is why my heart rejoices so much when I hear of land expropriation without compensation in South Africa and now in Namibia also. Ireland paid billions to get (most of) our land back, when it should instead have received billions in back rent for 700 years of occupation.

Ireland paid back billions? No, we only legally promised to. Have you never heard of the Economic War? Read more history....

Should Cork City Council change place names that could offend the new Irish?

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