Should Cork City Council change place names that could offend the new Irish?

realitykeeper

There are a number of youth hostels on Wellington Road and French tourists sometimes stay there. In order to be diplomatic to our fellow EU citizens, should Cork City Council change the name of Wellington road to something that is more patriotic to the Irish and less offensive to the French? Similarly, surely it is time to find a more diplomatic name for Trafalgar hill, in case a French person sees it.

Irish heroes are less likely to cause offense as Ireland was never a country of international warmongering. If for some reason, our city Councillors do not want to make such changes, then how about disguising the potentially offensive English names by using an Irish only version, maybe something like Bóthár O`Wellicáin, instead of Wellington Road.

Also, Zimbabwean students may be attending UCC which is near Victoria Cross. Under a royal charter granted by Queen Victoria, the Zimbabwean city of Bulawayo was once burned to the ground, among countless other atrocities around Africa and the world. Surely, in the interests of diplomacy, Cork City Council should immediately change these offensive place names just as UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

Am I wrong?

Donnielighto

The place names are fine.

realitykeeper

Donnielighto wrote: »

The place names are fine.

I appreciate the Blue shirts want to annoy the Sinners but do they want to annoy everyone else too? What of the Zimbabweans? What of the French?

colm_mcm

Maybe the tourists can try to not stay in addresses that offend them?

Maybe they already do?

Zaph

realitykeeper wrote: »

Am I wrong?

realitykeeper

colm_mcm wrote: »

Maybe the tourists can try to not stay in addresses that offend them?

Maybe they already do?

Well yes, like addresses in other countries that don`t offend.

yenom

Wellington was one of the most famous Irishmen of all time.

I'm suspicious that this topic is just a wind up.

realitykeeper

yenom wrote: »

Wellington was one of the most famous Irishmen of all time.

I'm suspicious that this topic is just a wind up.

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English. Lest we forget, the foreigners who took our land were no less foreign for their theft. As far as I am concerned, that truth applies as much to their descendants as it did to Cromwell.

This is why my heart rejoices so much when I hear of land expropriation without compensation in South Africa and now in Namibia also. Ireland paid billions to get (most of) our land back, when it should instead have received billions in back rent for 700 years of occupation.

NIMAN

Maybe these visitors aren't so petty to be annoyed or offended by the name of a street?

No reason for you to be offended on their behalf.

whisky_galore

I would be pretty confident that the tourists, students and backpackers don't give a flying fcuk what the streets are called.

It's just you being insecure and offended for other people.

thomil

whisky_galore wrote: »

I would be pretty confident that the tourists, students and backpackers don't give a flying fcuk what the streets are called.

It's just you being insecure and offended for other people.

As a foreigner (German) myself, I have to agree. I don’t give a rat’s behind whether a street is named after Wellington, Churchill, Georgi Zhukov, Patton, Eisenhower, or whoever!!

GavRedKing

The places arent called Nazi avenue or Holocaust road, I dont think anyone is going to get offended by some throw back to ye old Empire days.

For Forks Sake

realitykeeper wrote: »

There are a number of youth hostels on Wellington Road and French tourists sometimes stay there. In order to be diplomatic to our fellow EU citizens, should Cork City Council change the name of Wellington road to something that is more patriotic to the Irish and less offensive to the French? Similarly, surely it is time to find a more diplomatic name for Trafalgar hill, in case a French person sees it.

Irish heroes are less likely to cause offense as Ireland was never a country of international warmongering. If for some reason, our city Councillors do not want to make such changes, then how about disguising the potentially offensive English names by using an Irish only version, maybe something like Br O`Wellic, instead of Wellington Road.

Also, Zimbabwean students may be attending UCC which is near Victoria Cross. Under a royal charter granted by Queen Victoria, the Zimbabwean city of Bulawayo was once burned to the ground, among countless other atrocities around Africa and the world. Surely, in the interests of diplomacy, Cork City Council should immediately change these offensive place names just as UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

Am I wrong?

Yes.

Even by your (uniquely low) standards, this thread is abject nonsense.

jaykay74

realitykeeper wrote: »

rabble rabble

the state of this lad

Roger Hassenforder

realitykeeper wrote: »

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English.

He was worse, he was a Jackeen...

who_me

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

He was worse, he was a Jackeen...

Euuuh. We definitely should change it then.

Oafley Jones

Can you report a poster’s username as false advertising?

as_mo_bhosca

The irony of the OP's username!

As long as they leave Faggot Hill alone I don't care

yenom

realitykeeper wrote: »

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English. Lest we forget, the foreigners who took our land were no less foreign for their theft. As far as I am concerned, that truth applies as much to their descendants as it did to Cromwell.

This is why my heart rejoices so much when I hear of land expropriation without compensation in South Africa and now in Namibia also. Ireland paid billions to get (most of) our land back, when it should instead have received billions in back rent for 700 years of occupation.

Why was he English and not Welsh?

Pat Mustard

GavRedKing wrote: »

The places arent called Nazi avenue or Holocaust road, I dont think anyone is going to get offended by some throw back to ye old Empire days.

Sure what's wrong with Holocaust Road. Surely it would only become a problem if it was Holocaust Denier road?

opti76

realitykeeper wrote: »

There are a number of youth hostels on Wellington Road and French tourists sometimes stay there. In order to be diplomatic to our fellow EU citizens, should Cork City Council change the name of Wellington road to something that is more patriotic to the Irish and less offensive to the French? Similarly, surely it is time to find a more diplomatic name for Trafalgar hill, in case a French person sees it.

Irish heroes are less likely to cause offense as Ireland was never a country of international warmongering. If for some reason, our city Councillors do not want to make such changes, then how about disguising the potentially offensive English names by using an Irish only version, maybe something like Br O`Wellic, instead of Wellington Road.

Also, Zimbabwean students may be attending UCC which is near Victoria Cross. Under a royal charter granted by Queen Victoria, the Zimbabwean city of Bulawayo was once burned to the ground, among countless other atrocities around Africa and the world. Surely, in the interests of diplomacy, Cork City Council should immediately change these offensive place names just as UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

Am I wrong?

yes....

realitykeeper

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe these visitors aren't so petty to be annoyed or offended by the name of a street?

No reason for you to be offended on their behalf.

Then why are people in South Africa defacing statues of Queen Victoria?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_KoTKGbj8

realitykeeper

thomil wrote: »

As a foreigner (German) myself, I have to agree. I don’t give a rat’s behind whether a street is named after Wellington, Churchill, Georgi Zhukov, Patton, Eisenhower, or whoever!!

It always amuses me when someone claims to be something that cannot be verified, as if that adds credence to their assertion.

realitykeeper

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

He was worse, he was a Jackeen...

I think the Afrikaners have a name for those with one foot in South Africa and the other in Britain, i.e. soutpeil. Sout meaning salt and (politely speaking), peil refers to the Englishmen`s willies. One wonders if they would consider Wellington to be an honorary soutpeil.

italodisco

Dear lord, just when I thought the ultra left / social justice movement couldn't get any more ridiculous lol

There must be something else more important for you to worry about, this has to be one of the most pointless threads

Owryan

italodisco wrote: »

Dear lord, just when I thought the ultra left / social justice movement couldn't get any more ridiculous lol

There must be something else more important for you to worry about, this has to be one of the most pointless threads

The op is not known for living up to his username. Been predicting an economic collapse for years now. It was due last year, so it looks like they have moved onto another topic noone cares about.

realitykeeper

italodisco wrote: »

Dear lord, just when I thought the ultra left / social justice movement couldn't get any more ridiculous lol

There must be something else more important for you to worry about, this has to be one of the most pointless threads

I am actually very right wing. It is an anomaly in this country that nationalism is associated with the far left, like the Sinners for example. In other countries, it is the right that tends to be nationalist.

realitykeeper

Owryan wrote: »

The op is not known for living up to his username. Been predicting an economic collapse for years now. It was due last year, so it looks like they have moved onto another topic noone cares about.

Being early is different to being wrong. I try to warn people for their sake, not mine.

italodisco

realitykeeper wrote: »

I am actually very right wing. It is an anomaly in this country that nationalism is associated with the far left, like the Sinners for example. In other countries, it is the right that tends to be nationalist.

Okay, but come on now, be honest, this thread was just don't for a laugh right?

Please say it's so

An Ri rua

realitykeeper wrote:

I assume we are talking about the man who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo? If so, he was English. Lest we forget, the foreigners who took our land were no less foreign for their theft. As far as I am concerned, that truth applies as much to their descendants as it did to Cromwell.

Wellington was an Irishman, who despised Ireland. Read more history.

realitykeeper wrote:

This is why my heart rejoices so much when I hear of land expropriation without compensation in South Africa and now in Namibia also. Ireland paid billions to get (most of) our land back, when it should instead have received billions in back rent for 700 years of occupation.

Ireland paid back billions? No, we only legally promised to. Have you never heard of the Economic War? Read more history....

An Ri rua

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote:

As long as they leave ****** Hill alone I don't care

Is that the steep hill where commuters are always rear-ending one another?

An Ri rua

realitykeeper wrote:

I am actually very right wing. It is an anomaly in this country that nationalism is associated with the far left, like the Sinners for example. In other countries, it is the right that tends to be nationalist.

Visiting fascists must find that reality very offensive when they come here. We should change our ways

cbreeze

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realitykeeper

italodisco wrote: »

Okay, but come on now, be honest, this thread was just don't for a laugh right?

Please say it's so

Do you want me to lie to you?

southstar

realitykeeper wrote: »

There are a number of youth hostels on Wellington Road and French tourists sometimes stay there. In order to be diplomatic to our fellow EU citizens, should Cork City Council change the name of Wellington road to something that is more patriotic to the Irish and less offensive to the French? Similarly, surely it is time to find a more diplomatic name for Trafalgar hill, in case a French person sees it.

Irish heroes are less likely to cause offense as Ireland was never a country of international warmongering. If for some reason, our city Councillors do not want to make such changes, then how about disguising the potentially offensive English names by using an Irish only version, maybe something like Bóthár O`Wellicáin, instead of Wellington Road.

Also, Zimbabwean students may be attending UCC which is near Victoria Cross. Under a royal charter granted by Queen Victoria, the Zimbabwean city of Bulawayo was once burned to the ground, among countless other atrocities around Africa and the world. Surely, in the interests of diplomacy, Cork City Council should immediately change these offensive place names just as UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

Am I wrong?

Sure there isn't a gob****e lane in Cork as well

realitykeeper

An Ri rua wrote: »

Wellington was an Irishman, who despised Ireland. Read more history.



Ireland paid back billions? No, we only legally promised to. Have you never heard of the Economic War? Read more history....

I do not consider Ian Paisley to have been an Irishman. Why should I consider Wellington to have been Irish. I could read every history book that was ever written and it would not change my mind on that point. Yes I did hear of the economic war and the billions we agreed to pay back were reduced to 5 billion. Read more history yourself.

NIMAN

realitykeeper wrote: »

Then why are people in South Africa defacing statues of Queen Victoria?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_KoTKGbj8

Because they have little else to bother them?

DEFTLEFTHAND

realitykeeper wrote: »

Then why are people in South Africa defacing statues of Queen Victoria?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_KoTKGbj8

I don't think modern day RSA is a country that anybody should be taking inspiration from.

Pat Mustard

realitykeeper wrote: »

UCC should rebury or sell the statue of Queen Victoria back to the English and use the money to pay down debt or (if there are no debts) for something worthwhile.

They could use the money to rename White Street, for fear of causing offence.

My mother doesn't like the idea of High Street either.

GreeBo

I'm confused OP, are you saying we should rubber stamp the idea to give the name Wellington the boot?

testicles

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realitykeeper

testicles wrote: »

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The Captain of the Titanic is not remembered for his long and impeccable reputation prior to April 14, 1912.

AugustusMinimus

realitykeeper wrote: »

I do not consider Ian Paisley to have been an Irishman. Why should I consider Wellington to have been Irish. I could read every history book that was ever written and it would not change my mind on that point. Yes I did hear of the economic war and the billions we agreed to pay back were reduced to 5 billion. Read more history yourself.

Paisley was Irish. He said that himself.

whisky_galore

realitykeeper wrote: »

The Captain of the Titanic is not remembered for his long and impeccable reputation prior to April 14, 1912.

If you read your history instead of assuming things, you would know he was involved in a number of collisions in his career.

thomil

realitykeeper wrote: »

It always amuses me when someone claims to be something that cannot be verified, as if that adds credence to their assertion.

Netter Versuch, Kleiner!

But obviously, your d**k clearly isn't big enough to get in a pissing contest with me. You want verification? Here: https://thomil.blogspot.ie - 195 posts dating back to 2009, long before I even HEARD of Cork. All in glorious German, of course! :cool:

Oh, and in case you're incapable of understanding that beautiful language, here's 95 posts that even a peasant like you should be able to understand: http://thomil-english.blogspot.ie

realitykeeper

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Paisley was Irish. He said that himself.

and I say he was not.

AugustusMinimus

realitykeeper wrote: »

and I say he was not.

And you’d be wrong

realitykeeper

whisky_galore wrote: »

If you read your history instead of assuming things, you would know he was involved in a number of collisions in his career.

And yet he was chosen to captain the Titanic.

realitykeeper

thomil wrote: »

Netter Versuch, Kleiner!

But obviously, your d**k clearly isn't big enough to get in a pissing contest with me. You want verification? Here: https://thomil.blogspot.ie - 195 posts dating back to 2009, long before I even HEARD of Cork. All in glorious German, of course! :cool:

Oh, and in case you're incapable of understanding that beautiful language, here's 95 posts that even a peasant like you should be able to understand: http://thomil-english.blogspot.ie

Sure they could have been posted by anyone and as for your "Netter Versuch, Kleiner!" isn`t google marvelous.

realitykeeper

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

And you’d be wrong

I disagree