Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

listermint · 28-10-2018 7:00am

mobby wrote: »

Voted Casey number 1, knew he would never make it with all the media bias. But at least he pissed off all the lefties,do_gooders and freeloaders for a few days.:D
So little michael is back in the big House for another seven years,So be it.
We get what we deserve and never learn. say he will sleep well tonight little michael.

Elaina Gigantic RuleMGS wrote: »

Stuck it to the man and took a plane 160km. What a rebel that lad. If only I could be as cool as him :pac:

Well let's see. Micheal D used to work in a factory he worked hard and was the first person in his family to go to college.

He went on to have TG4 started promoting Irish language and the re-establishment for the Irish film industry.

Removed censorship for political parties which was legal against sinn fein.

And has spent decades promoting Irish cultural centres across the globe .

What have you done this morning ?

There is this utter drivel about people being lefties and liberal when the fact is im from Tallaght what is known as the one of the worst areas in Ireland if the newspapers would have you believe. My parents worked bloody hard to get me and all my siblings through college.

I've worked hard and I have a very good job and my own home in Wicklow as does my other half.

Im a member of no political party I don't affiliate myself with any but I can vote on my conscience. I can see that Michael D through his actions is best suited for the job at hand and that's why he got my vote.

I don't use my vote for protest actions because it would make me a moron .look what's happening in the UK right now with protest voted for Brexit.

Does this make me a lefty am I elite ?

No it doesn't and anyone that calls me that is dim witted fool and spends too much time on Facebook reading crap that backs up their idiocy in a lovely little echo chamber.

Ive worked my arse off all my life and won't have anyone label me into a neat little box to make themselves feel good about making stupid decisions

28-10-2018 7:12am

I would thank this more than once if I could!

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 7:16am

Was all that just a vehicle to tell us how great you are?

listermint · 28-10-2018 7:18am

Patww79 wrote: »

Was all that just a vehicle to tell us how great you are?

Yeah pat im mad for self promotion its what gets me up in the morning.

Have you considered your not a considerate person ?

If you were then you wouldn't have posted that.

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 7:20am

listermint wrote: »

Yeah pat im mad for self promotion its what gets me up in the morning.

Have you considered your not a considerate person ?

If you were then you wouldn't have posted that.

When it comes to people I'm the most inconsiderate person you could find. Just saying how it read to me anyway and it's a well known trait of Irish people to pull their wire for everyone.

Anyway, I digress and this has nothing to do with Casey or travellers. It was just early and there were no other posts.

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listermint · 28-10-2018 7:25am

Patww79 wrote: »

When it comes to people I'm the most inconsiderate person you could find. Just saying how it read to me anyway and it's a well known trait of Irish people to pull their wire for everyone.

Anyway, I digress and this has nothing to do with Casey or travellers. It was just early and there were no other posts.

_

Thats brand as long as you can see that.

Try reading it again with an open mind void of pre assumption

ThunbergsAreGo · 28-10-2018 7:28am

Pretzill wrote: »

Honestly, I'm not one of the huge Michael D supporters because of this election he didn't even get my number 1, but he's not some little person...he's a man of enduring political nounce, who has served the electorate here in Ireland for more years than I've lived. He is also our president and deserves a little respect. We live in a republic, we shouldn't feel ashamed by that.

Yeah I don't want to personally attack the man and I am sure he will continue to do fine as president , but years of service shouldn't a valid reason.

Everything that applies to Higgins applies to all career politicians. I am sure many Michael Higgins voters would be appalled by Enda Kenny rocking up to the Aras put he has also giving his life to public service and achieved a lot more in that time (love or hate him)

Higgins well cultivated image as a poet etc has won him more votes than any actual action he has taken as president or as a politician. He is a safe president for safe Ireland

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 7:29am

listermint wrote: »

Thats brand as long as you can see that.

Try reading it again with an open mind void of pre assumption

"I've a great job"
See's it as a positive you don't live where you came from for some reason? (Wicklow isn't Kildare either).
Looking down your nose at people using social media as people that shouldn't be allowed an opinion?

Like...?

listermint · 28-10-2018 7:36am

Patww79 wrote: »

"I've a great job"
See's it as a positive you don't live where you came from for some reason? (Wicklow isn't Kildare either).
Looking down your nose at people using social media?

Like...?

I read your post twice and I still don't know what it means.

If your inferring to me being proud for working hard in college and having a successful career as being something bad. Then I'll counter that as me showing that I'm no money grabbing dole scrounger from a council estate.

My parents still live in tallaght I wanted to live by the sea with some land in my garden.

Anything else useful to add about how you want to pull people down for voting Michael D?

Do I not fit in the neat elite south Dubliner killiney bucket ?

Must be tough for people to understand that I'm more thoughtful with my vote than fkin it away on a single angry issue. Which it has nothing to do with the presidential office and the office has no impact on anyway.

Go on..

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 7:40am

Ah land. You're great, tip of the cap and my humblest apologies sir.

listermint · 28-10-2018 7:41am

Patww79 wrote: »

Ah land. You're great, tip of the cap and my humblest apologies sir.

I get it , I read your posts across forums.

You fill your life with one liners hoping beyond hope to get that like . To get that laugh .

It may happen at some point this morning. Keep trucking pat one of these will pay off.

Or you could just go out for a walk to alleviate the stress

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 7:44am

listermint wrote: »

I get it , I read your posts across forums.

You fill your life with one liners hoping beyond hope to get that like . To get that laugh .

It may happen at some point this morning. Keep trucking pat one of these will pay off.

Or you could just go out for a walk to alleviate the stress

You haven't a tiny clue then. 99% of my posts you're stalking are posted in hate and badness, not in any attempt at humour. Lazy attempt at one of the oldest boards trucks in the book in your part really.

listermint · 28-10-2018 7:48am

Patww79 wrote: »

You haven't a tiny clue then. 99% of my posts you're stalking are posted in hate and badness, not in any attempt at humour. Lazy attempt at one of the oldest boards trucks in the book in your part really.

Scouring for likes sir.

Scouring

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 7:52am

listermint wrote: »

Scouring for likes sir.

Scouring

Piss poor.
Nobody could ever think you're a brag merchant so they must be scouring for likes. Scouring.

That's good so.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 28-10-2018 7:52am

I voted for Peter Casey less about his views on travelers and more about that a good vote for him might drive a discussion around social welfare and that imo we as a country are creating a system that is a long term career and allows people to have a lifestyle above some that work 40 hours plus a week. This to me leads to workers feeling undervalued and discourages people to work, negatively impacting the economy in the long term.

As someone in my 30s I continue to be surprised as to how controversial and edgy economic conservativism is in this country. I grew up in North Kerry, a comically conservative area with regards money, and as a teenager I genuinely thought Irish people were very sensible when dealing with their finances. As I got older as saw some crazy stuff during the so called Celtic Tiger and poor handling of public finances I realise Irish people in general just spend for today with no thought to the rainy day.

One thing about yesterday's vote is that the surge in the Casey vote could be ignored by the media and politicians as merely votes from ignorant, uneducated rural people like me and the economic mismanagement around social welfare spending will continue.

Peatys · 28-10-2018 7:53am

rom wrote: »

If I wake up tomorrow morning and say I identify as a traveller (non practicing) is there any grants or stuff I can get. Can I apply for grants to pay for my kids to see them through college (though I can afford it).

Think bigger.. there's stables going

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 7:54am

Jewel Gentle Pigeonhole wrote: »

I voted for Peter Casey less about his views on travelers and more about that a good vote for him might drive a discussion around social welfare and that imo we as a country are creating a system that is a long term career and allows people to have a lifestyle above some that work 40 hours plus a week. This to me leads to workers feeling undervalued and discourages people to work, negatively impacting the economy in the long term.

As someone in my 30s I continue to be surprised as to how controversial and edgy economic conservativism is in this country. I grew up in North Kerry, a comically conservative area with regards money, and as a teenager I genuinely thought Irish people were very sensible when dealing with their finances. As I got older as saw some crazy stuff during the so called Celtic Tiger and poor handling of public finances I realise Irish people in generally just spend for today with no thought to the rainy day.

One thing about yesterday's vote is that the surge in the Casey vote could be ignored by the media and politicians as merely votes from ignorant, uneducated rural people like me and the economic mismanagement around social welfare spending will continue.

I guarantee it was the social welfare thing that got most people. The traveller thing was just an easy out for the flakes to be able to shout 'racist' at people instead of facing up to anything

listermint · 28-10-2018 7:58am

Jewel Gentle Pigeonhole wrote: »

I voted for Peter Casey less about his views on travelers and more about that a good vote for him might drive a discussion around social welfare and that imo we as a country are creating a system that is a long term career and allows people to have a lifestyle above some that work 40 hours plus a week. This to me leads to workers feeling undervalued and discourages people to work, negatively impacting the economy in the long term.

As someone in my 30s I continue to be surprised as to how controversial and edgy economic conservativism is in this country. I grew up in North Kerry, a comically conservative area with regards money, and as a teenager I genuinely thought Irish people were very sensible when dealing with their finances. As I got older as saw some crazy stuff during the so called Celtic Tiger and poor handling of public finances I realise Irish people in generally just spend for today with no thought to the rainy day.

One thing about yesterday's vote is that the surge in the Casey vote could be ignored by the media and politicians as merely votes from ignorant, uneducated rural people like me and the economic mismanagement around social welfare spending will continue.

Genuinely I value your contribution to the thread. But equally I don't see how you could equate the vote for casey as being picked up by anyone as a vote for economic conservatism.

At what point did that even make it into the discussion?

I mean the man was on rte yesterday telling people that NAMA owned the site of the stardust tradegy. Something that is not factual and NAMA said as much later in the day.

This fella was a liar and a cod and continues to be. Throwing your vote sent no message.

If you want economic conservatism then I urge everyone that threw a vote at this guy to talk to your local TD they have open clinics. Send them an email chat to them on the doors when they come looking for a vote.

That is the only method of moving change not dealing with charlatans.

Be human and communicate

ThunbergsAreGo · 28-10-2018 8:04am

listermint wrote: »

If you want economic conservatism then I urge everyone that threw a vote at this guy to talk to your local TD they have open clinics. Send them an email chat to them on the doors when they come looking for a vote.

That is the only method of moving change not dealing with charlatans.

Be human and communicate

And if Casey leads to more people doing this, then it has been a good thing.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 28-10-2018 8:06am

listermint wrote: »

Genuinely I value your contribution to the thread. But equally I don't see how you could equate the vote for casey as being picked up by anyone as a vote for economic conservatism.

I believe he drew some attention to the crazy welfare spending, particularly around the example where people were not happy with a free house, they also wanted paddocks and a stables.

He wasn't a great candidate though as you point out but I would agree that none of them were.

I agree fully with your comments on letting politicians know. I have often emailed all my local politicians and gotten in touch with ministers offices around this. One of my first cousins is an elected representative and he would be only too aware.

An election is coming sooner rather than later and we all have the opportunity to get our points across firmly at the door.

listermint · 28-10-2018 8:10am

naughtb4 wrote: »

And if Casey leads to more people doing this, then it has been a good thing.

I don't think that will happen.

But if more people acted like supersonic then it would be better.

ThunbergsAreGo · 28-10-2018 8:14am

listermint wrote: »

I don't think that will happen.

But if more people acted like supersonic then it would be better.

I think they are more likely to do it then before

I know it's something I will be bringing up and have already wrote the politicians about in the last few weeks as, for me, enough is enough

The traveller thing was a bit more black and white, I suspect many who voted for Higgins etc agree (or are not entirely against ) with Casey's welfare state comments. Even our incumbent Taousesch did there for a while before he forgot about those who get up early!

28-10-2018 8:21am

Patww79 wrote: »

Was all that just a vehicle to tell us how great you are?

I gave u “thanks” accidentally. Wish there was a thumbs down for stupid posts like yours , people ask questions, posters reply in sincerity and backing up what they say ..... then get stupid put downs like yours :mad:

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 8:30am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I gave u “thanks” accidentally. Wish there was a thumbs down for stupid posts like yours , people ask questions, posters reply in sincerity and backing up what they say ..... then get stupid put downs like yours :mad:

Contrary to the picture that was painted, I hadn't noticed anyway. To be honest it started as an off the cuff remark but when things go down the road of stalking and agenda pushing then you need to go all in on it.

Peatys · 28-10-2018 8:33am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I gave u “thanks” accidentally. Wish there was a thumbs down for stupid posts like yours , people ask questions, posters reply in sincerity and backing up what they say ..... then get stupid put downs like yours :mad:

Not aimed at who you quoted, but your post is the reason why i don't get into back and fourths on here.

I will gladly discuss anything with someone face to face and take on board what they're saying, but mostly what you get on here is pro-forum-folk.

Straw man this, hyperbole that, vitriol, libtard, racist, black & white bla bla bla

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 8:43am

If Casey does join FF does that mean his supporters will vote FF to lead us on this supposed revolution?

I thought Renua were the revolutionary party in waiting?

Also heard Casey say yesterday he is left leaning moreso than right. So did people think voting for a left leaning politician would show "da lefties" OR did he just lie about his orientation?

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 8:45am

Pretzill wrote: »

Honestly, I'm not one of the huge Michael D supporters because of this election he didn't even get my number 1, but he's not some little person...he's a man of enduring political nounce, who has served the electorate here in Ireland for more years than I've lived. He is also our president and deserves a little respect. We live in a republic, we shouldn't feel ashamed by that.

I presume now that is supposed to read "political nuance"

I read it the first time as "political nonce"

:pac:

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 8:45am

Patww79 wrote: »

I guarantee it was the social welfare thing that got most people. The traveller thing was just an easy out for the flakes to be able to shout 'racist' at people instead of facing up to anything

Jaysus did you miss all the Caseyites here championing Casey for wanting to solve rural crime across Ireland? Welfare barely touched the sides.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 8:46am

pjohnson wrote: »

If Casey does join FF does that mean his supporters will vote FF to lead us on this supposed revolution?

I thought Renua were the revolutionary party in waiting?

Also heard Casey say yesterday he is left leaning moreso than right. So did people think voting for a left leaning politician would show "da lefties" OR did he just lie about his orientation?

You think he doesn't like boobs?

I'm sure he does. Who wouldn't!

enricoh · 28-10-2018 8:48am

Patww79 wrote: »

I guarantee it was the social welfare thing that got most people. The traveller thing was just an easy out for the flakes to be able to shout 'racist' at people instead of facing up to anything

Absolutely, people sick to the back teeth of the welfare entitlement. Nothing in this budget or last one for workers trying to keep the show on the road. And on top of that seeing welfare recipients getting more than them.
Not one politician or anyone in the media (yer man boylan aside) asking any hard questions on the erica flemings n margaret cash's of this country. Instead just throw more taxpayer's money at them.
Casey did, didn't issue the standard press apology the next day n got 23% as a result. Fair play!

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 8:52am

Carey is quite impressive. He has challenged the highly conservative, patronizing and inept (socially liberal, economically left leaning) media and political consensus and he won the argument hands down.

All they could do was sling the term ‘racist’ at him. They have failed to realize that there is a groundswell of people in Ireland who want actual and real societal and economic change - not just well meaning but insubstantial changes to our outdated old constitution.

Real change like tackling waste in our public services, no more jobs for life for civil servants who are non productive, proper analysis of social welfare spend, moving financial support to the frontline in health and education and tackling bureaucracy and inefficiency.

He has my support.

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 8:58am

Pretzill wrote: »

Honestly, I'm not one of the huge Michael D supporters because of this election he didn't even get my number 1, but he's not some little person...he's a man of enduring political nounce, who has served the electorate here in Ireland for more years than I've lived. He is also our president and deserves a little respect. We live in a republic, we shouldn't feel ashamed by that.

What is ‘enduring political nounce’?

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 9:04am

enricoh wrote: »

Absolutely, people sick to the back teeth of the welfare entitlement. Nothing in this budget or last one for workers trying to keep the show on the road. And on top of that seeing welfare recipients getting more than them.
Not one politician or anyone in the media (yer man boylan aside) asking any hard questions on the erica flemings n margaret cash's of this country. Instead just throw more taxpayer's money at them.
Casey did, didn't issue the standard press apology the next day n got 23% as a result. Fair play!

Not only thrown at them but then have to listen to them saying it's not good enough. Hopefully he has instigated the beginning of some change. It was a great result in something he couldn't win anyway.

ThunbergsAreGo · 28-10-2018 9:07am

Patww79 wrote: »

Not only thrown at them but then have to listen to them saying it's not good enough. Hopefully he has instigated the beginning of some change. It was a great result in something he couldn't win anyway.

Interestingly he also spent about 20% of Higgins Total spend on the campaign

What in God's name did Higgins spend 400k on, I didn't see any posters (LnR aside) and got no flyers from him

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1024/1006412-the-financial-cost-of-becoming-president/

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 9:07am

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Carey is quite impressive. He has challenged the highly conservative, patronizing and inept (socially liberal, economically left leaning) media and political consensus and he won the argument hands down.

All they could do was sling the term ‘racist’ at him. They have failed to realize that there is a groundswell of people in Ireland who want actual and real societal and economic change - not just well meaning but insubstantial changes to our outdated old constitution.

Real change like tackling waste in our public services, no more jobs for life for civil servants who are non productive, proper analysis of social welfare spend, moving financial support to the frontline in health and education and tackling bureaucracy and inefficiency.

He has my support.

Ah now in fairness, it should be very very easy to find a better candidate with similar views to Casey.

He just stumbled onto a bit populist fortune. A smarter candidate would have done more with it

Atoms for Peace · 28-10-2018 9:08am

Strange coincidence that in areas with high traveler population's Casey vote was strongest.

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 9:20am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Strange coincidence that in areas with high traveler population's Casey vote was strongest.

No no. It was his welfare stance that appealed to Casey voters not his comments on travellers.

judeboy101 · 28-10-2018 9:26am

naughtb4 wrote: »

Interestingly he also spent about 20% of Higgins Total spend on the campaign

What in God's name did Higgins spend 400k on, I didn't see any posters (LnR aside) and got no flyers from him

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1024/1006412-the-financial-cost-of-becoming-president/

Hookers and blowjobs?

salmocab · 28-10-2018 9:36am

naughtb4 wrote: »

Interestingly he also spent about 20% of Higgins Total spend on the campaign

What in God's name did Higgins spend 400k on, I didn't see any posters (LnR aside) and got no flyers from him

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1024/1006412-the-financial-cost-of-becoming-president/

Higgins had plenty of posters, not as many as SF. Think i read none of the others had any.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 9:47am

pjohnson wrote: »

No no. It was his welfare stance that appealed to Casey voters not his comments on travellers.

The stance where people on the dole were getting too much but when questioned he didn't actually know how much they were getting? :pac:

By all means have an opinion and a debate, but he should know the basic facts ffs

And going by the responses one here, a huge number saying they voted for him are immediately referencing issues with travellers. Not mentioning welfare so much.

Pretzill · 28-10-2018 9:50am

Donald Trump wrote: »

I presume now that is supposed to read "political nuance"

I read it the first time as "political nonce"

:pac:

No, nounce - quick witted, sharp.

Sofiztikated · 28-10-2018 9:52am

salmocab wrote: »

Higgins had plenty of posters, not as many as SF. Think i read none of the others had any.

Higgins had 5,000 printed.
Ni Riada had 17,000 printed.
The rest were posterless.

At a fiver a piece, €25,000 and €85,000 respectively.

tretorn · 28-10-2018 9:59am

I keep reading about what a marvellous President Higgins was and how Casey had no ideas to bring to the Presidency.
What ideas had Higgins got, as far as I can see his committment was to spend the next seven years doing what he has done since 2011 and that amounts to eating and drinking and going to every theatre gig in town as far as I can see. Its a bit like the emperors new clothes.
Why couldnt his accounts have been audited, should they not be audited on an annual basis. Are we to understand the soending hasnt been audited since 2011, have we anyway of knowing was the spending in line with previous incumbants in the role.
Does he think he is a member of an ethic minority group too and so doesnt have to supply auditing information.

tretorn · 28-10-2018 10:01am

Pretzill wrote: »

No, nounce - quick witted, sharp.

Is that actually true or did you just read somewhere that he is quickwitted and sharp.

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 10:05am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah now in fairness, it should be very very easy to find a better candidate with similar views to Casey.

He just stumbled onto a bit populist fortune. A smarter candidate would have done more with it

He comes across well. He had only 3 weeks to campaign (due to MickyD's slight of hand) and scored heavily.

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 10:07am

Donald Trump wrote: »

The stance where people on the dole were getting too much but when questioned he didn't actually know how much they were getting? :pac:

By all means have an opinion and a debate, but he should know the basic facts ffs

And going by the responses one here, a huge number saying they voted for him are immediately referencing issues with travellers. Not mentioning welfare so much.

If he knew the exact figure, would you have then agreed with his point?

namloc1980 · 28-10-2018 10:08am

How do the Casey voters feel about him potentially joining FF? Bit of a blow I'd imagine.

Wheeliebin30 · 28-10-2018 10:09am

namloc1980 wrote: »

How do the Casey voters feel about him potentially joining FF? Bit of a blow I'd imagine.

He won’t join any party.

Evd-Burner · 28-10-2018 10:20am

namloc1980 wrote: »

How do the Casey voters feel about him potentially joining FF? Bit of a blow I'd imagine.

To be honest even though I voted Casey I don't think he would make the best of politicians, I voted for him because I am sick and tired of all the political correctness and not being allowed to comment on career social welfare spongers.

I have a good job and I work hard, yet can't afford to buy a house near my kids or where I grew up. Others I know from years ago in school who have not bothered to make anything of themselves have had houses handed to them by the state and if I dare comment on it I am a right wing racist?! I am all for social welfare as needed but it should not be an option to make a career of it like the Margaret Cash's of this country do.

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 10:28am

Donald Trump wrote: »

The stance where people on the dole were getting too much but when questioned he didn't actually know how much they were getting? :pac:

By all means have an opinion and a debate, but he should know the basic facts ffs

And going by the responses one here, a huge number saying they voted for him are immediately referencing issues with travellers. Not mentioning welfare so much.

You may have missed my Sarcasm Donny :P

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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