Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

10000maniacs wrote: »

One interesting and positive Barnier comment from todays meeting. Just paraphrasing but he said something like this. "In a hard Brexit, the EU won't do any business with the UK until the Border and the GFA are protected."

Makes the Brexitier phrase ‘they need us more than we need them’ sound even more deluded.

The whole thing is a complete disaster with absolutely no winners.

How Teresa May is still in power is beyond me, she was burnt toast long ago.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Ironically, UKIP and the Brexit Party could wind up stopping each other getting MEPs, if this Welsh poll is representative:

They have up to ten member constituencies, where that'd return one each (albeit said constituency had 4 UKIP last time I think). Not many constituencies are as small as Wales.

Just tuned into Claire Byrne show- first off bloody Hermann Irexit Kelly running for the EU parliament- the parliament he wants us out of lol. Our very own euro shop Farage

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1115373402796072960

This is a beautiful thing to watch.

That Nathan Gill is a shocking arrogant twat.

I always find SNP come across very well and can understand why they are very popular in Scotland. They seem to be only capable MP's in Westminster and i'm a big fan Nicola Sturgeon.

Brexit is kinda a win win situation for them, that if it happens Scottish Independence is closer than ever or if Brexit is canceled they stay in Europe.

Laois_Man wrote: »

Farage barely even shows up. He has the 6th worst attendance record of all MEPs in the entire EU parliament

He's scarcely a "politician" at all. I would describe him more as a TV / media personality.

Strazdas wrote: »

He's scarcely a "politician" at all. I would describe him more as a TV / media personality.

Plus trying to cheat the abhorrent EU out of money by trying to get the EU to pay for his EU assistant who is not actually an EU assistant!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/12/nigel-farage-eu-salary-docked-claim-misspent-public-funds

Says it all about him!

I listened to some of his radio show this evening (I don't know why I do it to myself) - they font let many remainers on - and you'd notice when the odd one does get on, they don't get to stay on nearly as long as the Leavers.

road_high wrote: »

Just tuned into Claire Byrne show- first off bloody Hermann Irexit Kelly running for the EU parliament- the parliament he wants us out of lol. Our very own euro shop Farage

Honestly this whole "Irexit" thing stink's of a 5th column subversive group of either Brexiteer rejects from the UK trying to interfere in our country (POORLY) to try and bolster their United Memedom vanity project or possibly another paid Russian front to try and break up the EU. Hopefully it burns out like the likes of Renua: all waffle but ultimately a big massive turd in terms of quality only fit for the electorial bin.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Ironically, UKIP and the Brexit Party could wind up stopping each other getting MEPs, if this Welsh poll is representative:

http://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1115320751459057664

If it result's in Nigel Farage not getting elected then happy days and poetic karma for it happening. Need people who give a damn bout their country and people in there not parasitical rejects out for their own benefit and causing nothing but trouble while stirring the pot.

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The UKIP/Brexit party guy made me especially angry. "Michel Barnier is using the years and years of pain in Ireland as a negotiating chip". Has he no self awareness about being an Englishman talking to an Irish audience about years and years of pain? As for Ireland being used as a negotiating chip, that was Britains plan until they went all in on their first hand and lost their shirts, to extend the analogy.

Also liked Mairead McGuinness saying if the Brexiteers were in power, for all their talk, theyd run a mile. A point rarely made on BBC, Sky etc.

It the problem with the UK media over there atm they let these Brexiteer wasters constantly run their mouths unchallenged and unwilling to call out the gaping flaws in their arguments. That Mairead McGuiness outtake is the exact kind of putting them on the spot approach that's needed with them, she literally points out their "no deal" is a literal void of nothingness and any deal's they do get are either inconsequencial and tiny or they have to wait at the back of the line after the EU and take what they're given.

The whole problem the Brexiteer's have is that they cannot accept that alone they're not only powerless but subject to the whim's of bigger players. They fail to grap reality or worse would rather mislead people for personal gain.

10000maniacs wrote: »

The EU are hinting that Farage and co. won't be given the same free reign to disrupt the Parliament that they were given in the last session.

He wasn't that disruptive. He was hardly ever there.

I find it amusing that today May has finally done what David Davis said they should do initially and gone to Berlin.
Except that she has gone begging, not demanding.

Sam Russell wrote: »

Just to return to the question of the EP elections with and without the UK.

I will use numbers that demonstrate the problem, so bear with me. The constituency has three seats with the UK but four without them.

Let us say we have a three/four seater constituency with 10 or more candidates, but we will only look at the first five candidates and assume transfers from lower ordered candidates does not affect the final running order.

Now candidates A and E are one party, and B and D are another, which means surpluses transfer within the party 100%.

So first count has A=25%, B=22%, C=12%, D=11%, and E=10%.

Now with three seats, the quota is 25% and A, B, C all get elected.

However, with four seats, the quota is 20%, so A and B are elected on the first count. Their surpluses are redistributed so E gets an extra 5% bringing the vote to 15%. D gets B's surplus bring the vote to 12%.

So the final count is: A elected, B elected, with E on 15% - elected, D on 12% - elected, with C with 11% - eliminated.

So three seater gets A, B, C. For seater gets A, B, E, and D elected.

So the conundrum is what happens if the UK gets an extension till say April next year and then leaves. Does MEP C clear their desk in favour of MEP D and MEP E?

I have chosen numbers to show how this can happen, but anyone with experience will remember close fights for the last seat, with recounts changing the result. Often it depends on the order of elimination.

Varadkar outlined that 2 counts will take place for both scenarios.

Enzokk wrote: »

Andrea Leadsom has a plan for the PM when she meets with Merkel later,

https://twitter.com/GregHeffer/status/1115521768268161024

https://twitter.com/GregHeffer/status/1115521837646139392

So the plan is to open the withdrawal agreement, I can see that succeeding this time as we are at EU concession time.

The EU to blink and Ireland to be thrown under the bus in 3...2...1...

Hurrache wrote: »

I think those rumours originated from the Brexiters themselves, such as this one
https://twitter.com/GregHands/status/1115317453851111424

as per usual he's being taking apart in the replies but the replies never get the same billing as the headline tweet...

it'll be a case of the tweet going twice around the planet before anyone reads a rebuttal..

not that Brexiteers would be bothered reading or absorbing a rebuttal anyway

Having threatened to disrupt the smooth functioning of the EU by continuously vetoing everything until the UK leaves, Jacob is now proclaiming that any agreement that May makes with the EU today can be unpicked by the next government. While simultaneously calling the EU liars. Good man Jacob.

Enzokk wrote: »

Andrea Leadsom has a plan for the PM when she meets with Merkel later,

https://twitter.com/GregHeffer/status/1115521768268161024

https://twitter.com/GregHeffer/status/1115521837646139392

So the plan is to open the withdrawal agreement, I can see that succeeding this time as we are at EU concession time.

Every time, Enzokk! You fall for this one every time!

Seriously, lift your game!

Some brexiters have left the reservation completely. Apparently it's all the Queen's fault now.

The replies are gold though.

prawnsambo wrote: »

Some brexiters have left the reservation completely. Apparently it's all the Queen's fault now.

The replies are gold though.

these lads seem determined to delegitimize every British insitution

The crown, parliament, the judiciary etc etc

nothing is beyond sacrifice at the Brexit altar

He's really annoyed that an unelected politician whose position is awarded through bloodlines, hasn't massively overreached her legal powers to save the UK from elected foreign politicians who are trying to prevent the UK from shooting its own economy in the face.

So he's calling for the replacement of said politician with "something new", clearly unaware of the irony that without this politician there is no "K" in "UK".

It comes across no more coherent than the ramblings of a vagrant handing out conspiracy theory newsletters in Hyde Park and shouting about mind control and lizards.

Or that guy who believes he's the real Taoiseach of Ireland because he performs some ancient Celtic ritual every year which the Government neglects to do.