Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

Buer · 07-02-2019 5:17pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Ringrose was more than established. He was coming back from injury at the time but there was nothing to suggest that he was anything other than first choice 13 when everyone was available.

He had 10 starts to his name. He was playing with Leinster the day before. If he was considered in the manner you believe, he would have been in the Irish team rather than facing the Southern Kings whilst Chris Farrell was handed his first ever appearance in the 6N. If he was "more than established" he would have been treated in that manner and brought straight back into the side.

Again, this is all whataboutery anyway and does not in any way support what you claimed regarding people saying Farrell should start ahead of him nor anyone questioning his ability. That would be quite clear if you didn't try to misrepresent what people actually said at the time.

BENDYBINN · 07-02-2019 5:24pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Can't wait for Farrell to play well followed by a certain cohort believing he should start ahead of Ringrose.

A guy plays well and people believe he should start the next day.....OMG

Zzippy · 07-02-2019 5:27pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The title of the thread is SEE MOD WARNING?

Those crooked tyrants have truly lost it now.

Go on. You kow where the naughty step is. 5 minutes, and don't let me see you in this room until that's up!

awec · 07-02-2019 6:31pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Ringrose was more than established. He was coming back from injury at the time but there was nothing to suggest that he was anything other than first choice 13 when everyone was available.

Fact is, people questioned Ringrose’s ability and suggested that Farrell would surpass him. It’s gone on to be proven to be absolute nonsense and theres no Irish 13 within touching distance of him.

People completely jumped the gun with Farrell’s performance against Wales and it’s not going to be the last time it happens either, because Irish rugby fans have a tendency to think a back-up player who does well when called upon is suddenly in the hunt to start when everyone’s fit.

Enough of this nonsense. You're starting arguments about things that haven't even happened.

Dubinusa · 07-02-2019 6:42pm

I prefer Farrell to Henshaw at 13! I also prefer Addison at 13.
Henshaw is better at 12, but Aki may have taken the shirt.
Henshaw may not be guaranteed a start, unless he passes Aki.

Dubinusa · 07-02-2019 11:03pm

I think Henshaw is a top quality 12. Not world class, but a very good one. Aki is similar imo.
As far as 13 goes, Henshaw is not at international level imo.
I think we build up our better players to the point that we think maybe one of our opposition would start on our team!
Ringrose is the best 13 by quite a ways, imo.
After him. I think Aki and Addison are good options.
Both Farrells are also good options.
Then there's not really anyone else?
This match on the weekend will help us see how we respond after getting horsed.
I expect a massive improvement and I think we win by a few points.
My biggest concern is Murray. I hope he's fit and gets it together.

The Lost Sheep · 07-02-2019 11:05pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

I think Henshaw is a top quality 12. Not world class, but a very good one. Aki is similar imo.
As far as 13 goes, Henshaw is not at international level imo.
I think we build up our better players to the point that we think maybe one of our opposition would start on our team!
Ringrose is the best 13 by quite a ways, imo.
After him. I think Aki and Addison are good options.
Both Farrells are also good options.
Then there's not really anyone else?
This match on the weekend will help us see how we respond after getting horsed.
I expect a massive improvement and I think we win by a few points.
My biggest concern is Murray. I hope he's fit and gets it together.

I think Henshaw would be international level 13 if he had played there. He was initially a 13 but hasnt played there too much recently and has become an excellent 12. I wouldnt have Ringrose by quite a way the best 13. I think Aki is very much an excellent option at 13 and certainly as much as Ringrose.

Synode · 07-02-2019 11:15pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I think Henshaw would be international level 13 if he had played there. He was initially a 13 but hasnt played there too much recently and has become an excellent 12. I wouldnt have Ringrose by quite a way the best 13. I think Aki is very much an excellent option at 13 and certainly as much as Ringrose.

Ringrose is the best 13 we have by a country mile

troyzer · 07-02-2019 11:20pm

Synode wrote: »

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I think Henshaw would be international level 13 if he had played there. He was initially a 13 but hasnt played there too much recently and has become an excellent 12. I wouldnt have Ringrose by quite a way the best 13. I think Aki is very much an excellent option at 13 and certainly as much as Ringrose.

Ringrose is the best 13 we have by a country mile

He's one of the best 13s in the world.

molloyjh · 08-02-2019 1:57am

I’d tend to agree that Ringrose is our best 13 by a bit of a distance. Every element of his game is strong and he does the nuts and bolts so, so well. Even last week when we were getting bossed all over he looked good.

I’m not sure about Aki at 13. Would need to see more of him there at that level. For me it’s Farrell and Addison next up. Henshaw and Aki are our 12s with pretty much nothing between them. That’s a good group of centres to be fair.

Dubinusa · 08-02-2019 7:17am

The thing with Henshaw at 12 is he defends the narrow channels so well. He rarely makes mistakes and he brings confidence to those alongside him.
At 13, he isn't quick enough to have the same impact as he does at 12.
Whereas, Ringrose and say Addison make it look natural, playing the outside channels, they seem to have a better grasp on how to defend and drift.
They both also are better at spotting a gap and exploiting it.
I haven't seen to much of Tom Farrell to make an opinion and Chris Farrell is very good.
As far as this week goes, if the pack get some impact and the half backs are good, we should win.
Just having Kearney back will take away the kicks in behind.
England had a field day with Henshaw back there.

troyzer · 08-02-2019 7:47am

Dubinusa wrote: »

The thing with Henshaw at 12 is he defends the narrow channels so well. He rarely makes mistakes and he brings confidence to those alongside him.
At 13, he isn't quick enough to have the same impact as he does at 12.
Whereas, Ringrose and say Addison make it look natural, playing the outside channels, they seem to have a better grasp on how to defend and drift.
They both also are better at spotting a gap and exploiting it.
I haven't seen to much of Tom Farrell to make an opinion and Chris Farrell is very good.
As far as this week goes, if the pack get some impact and the half backs are good, we should win.
Just having Kearney back will take away the kicks in behind.
England had a field day with Henshaw back there.

Kearney was ****e against Scarlets remember. There's no guarantee he'll play well.

aloooof · 08-02-2019 9:57am

Dubinusa wrote: »

Whereas, Ringrose and say Addison make it look natural, playing the outside channels, they seem to have a better grasp on how to defend and drift.

I actually think defensively Ringrose is particularly good at identifying when to shoot as well, you so rarely see him making a mis-read in that regard.

Former Former · 08-02-2019 10:04am

troyzer wrote: »

Kearney was ****e against Scarlets remember. There's no guarantee he'll play well.

The entire team was ****e against England. There's no guarantee they'll play well.

Bazzo · 08-02-2019 10:30am

Dubinusa wrote: »

I think Henshaw is a top quality 12. Not world class, but a very good one. Aki is similar imo.
As far as 13 goes, Henshaw is not at international level imo.
I think we build up our better players to the point that we think maybe one of our opposition would start on our team!
Ringrose is the best 13 by quite a ways, imo.
After him. I think Aki and Addison are good options.
Both Farrells are also good options.
Then there's not really anyone else?
This match on the weekend will help us see how we respond after getting horsed.
I expect a massive improvement and I think we win by a few points.
My biggest concern is Murray. I hope he's fit and gets it together.

If he was actually playing 13 regularly he would be a top 13 just like he is a 12. He never played 12 until Schmidt asked him to play there for Ireland don't forget, a lot of people (BOD included) had him as the anointed one to take the 13 jersey before anyone had heard Garry Ringrose's name.

Same goes for 15.

dub_skav · 08-02-2019 10:39am

Thread title idea:
Ireland Team Talk Thread X: discussing everything - from A to Y

roverjoyce · 08-02-2019 12:15pm

Don't know if mentioned before is it not a huge worry we have 4 injuries after 1 game where England only had 1
Are our players not battle ready for games
What is going to happen in the world cup when we may have to play South Africa in a quarter will we be down 5/6 players with their physicality

England played them last November and New Zealand the week after and didn't have to make many changes hard to believe Ireland doing that

BAM! uhavechlamydia · 08-02-2019 12:17pm

dub_skav wrote: »

Thread title idea:
Ireland Team Talk Thread X: discussing everything - from A to Y

"Winner winner, nandos chicken dinner"!!

jonok28 · 08-02-2019 12:37pm

roverjoyce wrote: »

Don't know if mentioned before is it not a huge worry we have 4 injuries after 1 game where England only had 1
Are our players not battle ready for games
What is going to happen in the world cup when we may have to play South Africa in a quarter will we be down 5/6 players with their physicality

England played them last November and New Zealand the week after and didn't have to make many changes hard to believe Ireland doing that

England vs Ireland is always an enormously physical match, always has been always will be, we never usually get them on the opening game of the 6 nations so we were throwing our guys into the deep end fairly quickly. England were massively physical last weekend and unfortunately we lost a few lads in the process. Toner was dealing with an ankle injury before the game and re-aggravated it I believe, Ringrose has been healthy fairly consistently so him going down is just bad luck, Standers injury can be marked as bad luck also, he plays fairly physical so its not completely unexpected that he got hurt, Henshaw was coming off a long lay off so not unsurprising that he might have re-aggravated something.

I think Joe is playing it safe with the injured guys, now that the Grand Slam isn't available I think he is afforded a bit of wiggle room to experiment with his Squad, see if someone players are worthy of inclusion to Japan. Roux, Dillane, Cooney and Farrell fit that description so giving them game time gives him some time to see what he has.

I wouldn't worry too much about Ireland's injury situation. The IRFU are going to protect these players for the World Cup as best as they can.

Clegg · 08-02-2019 12:45pm

SoB to London Irish after the World Cup confirmed. Won't effect selection for the tournament this autumn though.

https://www.the42.ie/sean-obrien-london-irish-ireland-4483555-Feb2019/?utm_source=shortlink

Riskymove · 08-02-2019 12:57pm

Clegg wrote: »

Won't effect selection for the tournament this autumn though.

#Prayformods

stephen_n · 08-02-2019 1:02pm

Clegg wrote: »

SoB to London Irish after the World Cup confirmed. Won't effect selection for the tournament this autumn though.

https://www.the42.ie/sean-obrien-london-irish-ireland-4483555-Feb2019/?utm_source=shortlink

Fair play to him, I hope his body lasts up and he gets a decent pay check to fatten his retirement fund. Wouldn’t have been getting a central deal here, so makes perfect sense for him. Will be a loss to Leinster though, of that there’s no doubt.

BoardAtWork · 08-02-2019 1:24pm

It'll be interesting to see if SOB is dropped from the squad after the weekend. Will Schmidt and the IRFU make it clear that different rules apply to different players.

troyzer · 08-02-2019 1:27pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if SOB is dropped from the squad after the weekend. Will Schmidt and the IRFU make it clear that different rules apply to different players.

He won't be dropped.

Different rules apply to different situations, not necessarily different players.

arsebiscuits1 · 08-02-2019 1:29pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if SOB is dropped from the squad after the weekend. Will Schmidt and the IRFU make it clear that different rules apply to different players.

Was POC dropped when he signed for Toulon?

aloooof · 08-02-2019 1:29pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if SOB is dropped from the squad after the weekend. Will Schmidt and the IRFU make it clear that different rules apply to different players.

They're being consistent. We've a precedent with this with POC, another centrally contracted player who was finishing up after a world cup.

Eod100 · 08-02-2019 1:30pm

jonok28 wrote: »

I think Joe is playing it safe with the injured guys, now that the Grand Slam isn't available I think he is afforded a bit of wiggle room to experiment with his Squad, see if someone players are worthy of inclusion to Japan. Roux, Dillane, Cooney and Farrell fit that description so giving them game time gives him some time to see what he has.

I wouldn't worry too much about Ireland's injury situation. The IRFU are going to protect these players for the World Cup as best as they can.

Yeah guess in a RWC year 6N takes a difference priority. Question is does he aim to do best and finish 2nd or experiment a bit more and treat it as extra game time for players? There are still 4 pre RWC games too. I think even if there's no GS, it's hard to see us when outright, think 2nd is achievable though

UnknownSpecies · 08-02-2019 1:32pm

Riskymove wrote: »

#Prayformods

Don't go into the comments section.

LostArt · 08-02-2019 1:35pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah guess in a RWC year 6N takes a difference priority. Question is does he aim to do best and finish 2nd or experiment a bit more and treat it as extra game time for players? There are still 4 pre RWC games too. I think even if there's no GS, it's hard to see us when outright, think 2nd is achievable though

I'd like to see him make some further changes for Italy and France then full strength or as close to it as possible for Wales. Even with changes I think 2nd is achievable.

BoardAtWork · 08-02-2019 1:36pm

troyzer wrote: »

He won't be dropped.

Different rules apply to different situations, not necessarily different players.

It relates to how the IRFU treat their employees.

One was poorly treated while under contract because they weren't signing a new one. SOB should remain a part of the squad until his contract runs out, because it's not right to discriminate against employees like the IRFU did in the previous situtation.

BoardAtWork · 08-02-2019 1:37pm

aloooof wrote: »

They're being consistent. We've a precedent with this with POC, another centrally contracted player who was finishing up after a world cup.

If you wish to go back that far, you might as well talk about Sexton being selected while abroad. The IRFU have rightfully changed their policies in the meantime.

troyzer · 08-02-2019 1:38pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

He won't be dropped.

Different rules apply to different situations, not necessarily different players.

It relates to how the IRFU treat their employees.

One was poorly treated while under contract because they weren't signing a new one. SOB should remain a part of the squad until his contract runs out, because it's not right to discriminate against employees like the IRFU did in the previous situtation.

Well, SOB actually is an IRFU employee and the other one wasn't.

BoardAtWork · 08-02-2019 1:43pm

troyzer wrote: »

Well, SOB actually is an IRFU employee and the other one wasn't.

The other was dropped while a contracted employee. They remained an employee for another ~9 months.

It was a terrible way to treat someone, and wouldn't be allowed to happen in any other workplace for fear of deserved litigation. The IRFU skirted as it being a sport they could hide behind the curtain of form.

thomond2006 · 08-02-2019 1:44pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

The other was dropped while a contracted employee. They remained an employee for another ~9 months.

It was a terrible way to treat someone, and wouldn't be allowed to happen in any other workplace for fear of deserved litigation. The IRFU skirted as it being a sport they could hide behind the curtain of form.

He wasn't 'dropped' or frozen out unless his appearances for Munster all that season were a mirage.

aloooof · 08-02-2019 1:44pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

It relates to how the IRFU treat their employees.

One was poorly treated while under contract because they weren't signing a new one. SOB should remain a part of the squad until his contract runs out, because it's not right to discriminate against employees like the IRFU did in the previous situtation.

BoardAtWork wrote: »

If you wish to go back that far, you might as well talk about Sexton being selected while abroad. The IRFU have rightfully changed their policies in the meantime.

And Sexton moved before Schmidt was appointed head coach.

It's been done to death, but (even aside from whether a player is centrally contracted or not) it seems pretty obvious that the policy is based on a RWC cycle. Which makes a lot of sense to me.

arsebiscuits1 · 08-02-2019 1:44pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

The other was dropped while a contracted employee. They remained an employee for another ~9 months.

It was a terrible way to treat someone, and wouldn't be allowed to happen in any other workplace for fear of deserved litigation. The IRFU skirted as it being a sport they could hide behind the curtain of form.

Now you're reaching :rolleyes:

Can Noel Reid take the IRFU to court if he's not picked for Ireland before he leaves?

Clegg · 08-02-2019 1:45pm

SoB and Zebo aren't comparable talent wise either. If you're a world class player I'm sure that some leeway is given.

BoardAtWork · 08-02-2019 1:50pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Now you're reaching :rolleyes:

Can Noel Reid take the IRFU to court if he's not picked for Ireland before he leaves?

Was Reid a central international who was dropped when they decided to move on after not being offered a contract?

As I said, it being sport, it allows the IRFU to skirt around the issue. However, it is clear what happened. Anyone who denies that is being deliberately obtuse.

BoardAtWork · 08-02-2019 1:50pm

Clegg wrote: »

SoB and Zebo aren't comparable talent wise either. If you're a world class player I'm sure that some leeway is given.

so you are stating that different rules should apply to different people, and discrimination is okay in some situations?

Bridge93 · 08-02-2019 1:53pm

What happened to not talking about your man while the 6N is on?

sydthebeat · 08-02-2019 1:58pm

does anyone really give a sh!t about what Zebo thinks or wants????

The Pheasant2 · 08-02-2019 1:58pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I think Aki is very much an excellent option at 13 and certainly as much as Ringrose.

Nonsense. Aki is an excellent player, but Ringrose is undoubtedly a better 13 - he's the undisputed second centre.

Wegians89 · 08-02-2019 2:00pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

so you are stating that different rules should apply to different people, and discrimination is okay in some situations?

One is a world class player being paid by the irfu, who’ll make any Irish squad named by joe Schmidt no matter what.

The other was on a Munster contract, over hyped by some fans and likely would have been struggling to make squads regardless of playing in Ireland or abroad due to his difference in playing style to Schmidt. The emergence of players such as larmour, Addison, stockdale are all better andwhile Conway/ sweetnam are probably less talented suit Joes game plan better.

If it was Murray leaving after the World Cup he’d get the same treatment as sob

08-02-2019 2:09pm

BoardAtWork wrote: »

so you are stating that different rules should apply to different people, and discrimination is okay in some situations?

In sport, yeah

Cosmo Kramer · 08-02-2019 2:15pm

This A to Y thing is going well then.

brinty · 08-02-2019 2:27pm

Clegg wrote:

SoB and Zebo aren't comparable talent wise either. If you're a world class player I'm sure that some leeway is given.

SoB hasn't been works class in years, different rules for those Joe favors i.e. his former players at Leinster.

Gimme a break anyone who's trying to put it any other way

Zebo up for champions cup best player would've made a huge difference last week, but Joe is a stubborn man and it cost us

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Zzippy · 08-02-2019 2:30pm

Lads, I can sit here issuing red cards all day to people who didn't bother reading the mod warning referenced in the TITLE OF THE THREAD.

But from now on I'm not going to bother. Any more mentions of Zebo you can relinquish your posting privileges for a couple of days.

ZERO TOLERANCE APPLIES.

aloooof · 08-02-2019 2:30pm

brinty wrote: »

SoB hasn't been works class in years, different rules for those Joe favors i.e. his former players at Leinster.

This is nonsense. The SOB situation is the exact same as the POC situation in the last RWC cycle.

Wegians89 · 08-02-2019 2:32pm

In other news toner out for all of six nations and possibly champions cup

Clegg · 08-02-2019 2:33pm

In far more important news Toner has been ruled out for the rest of the 6 Nations and is a doubt to make the Champions Cup QF for Leinster.

Huge blow for Ireland. Really need Hendo or Beirne to make a miraculous recovery.

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