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Putting your pronoun on Linkedin

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  • Registered Users Posts: 46 Rologyro


    Andreas77 wrote: »
    Sex and gender have always been distinct concepts as far as I know. Gender is performative and in many senses, socially constructed. Sex is a biological precondition. If you don't understand the vocabulary you will struggle to make sense of the issues.

    If gender is a social construct, and not physical, then do people who physically alter their bodies to better “match” their desired gender not contradict the social construct idea?

    Are they suffering from a mental illness, brought about by a social construct, a symptom of which is a desire to physically alter themselves?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    decade back almost linkedin was a bit like facebook and pretty much dozens of agencies looking for people wtf has changed, i seen in another posts smth about portfolios loans - thought the site was to get connected with employers mainly, anyway not really interested, just dont see the point of site.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Wibbs wrote: »
    What a grim assembly of spoilt mental cases. "Sensory overload"? I suggest a swift and forceful kick in your fat arse to reset that.

    Best comment on the video:

    'Point of personal privilege: Your jazz hands are creating a disrupting breeze, I'm developing a rash...... He/Him'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts



    This ones gives even more of an insight. The ‘sensory overload’ dude (oops, gendering) speaks again:



    How do these people get through an average day? Such delicate doilies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    high_king wrote: »
    Typical Transphobic Shyte. The sooner companies make this and gender neutral toilets compulsory the better.

    I never understand the need for 'gender neutral' toilets. Surely you just pick the ladies jacks and go into the privacy of a cubicle simple.
    Of course disabled toilets are 'gender neutral' and a lot of times in pubs they end up as store rooms....

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    This ones gives even more of an insight. The ‘sensory overload’ dude (oops, gendering) speaks again:


    How do these people get through an average day? Such delicate doilies.
    Don't go into the safe spaces with an "aggressive scent". FFS. That room needs a Darwin level event to clear the decks of those spoilt mental cases. If there was ever an example of how some thankfully small sections of modern western society needs an enema, that's a good one.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Don't go into the safe spaces with an "aggressive scent". FFS. That room needs a Darwin level event to clear the decks of those spoilt mental cases. If there was ever an example of how some thankfully small sections of modern western society needs an enema, that's a good one.

    It’s like a complete regression of human psyche to beyond an infant state, every person there is a pathetic waste of skin. There are children in Junior Infants more capable of dealing with the world than any of those ****in imbeciles in that video.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    It’s like a complete regression of human psyche to beyond an infant state, every person there is a pathetic waste of skin. There are children in Junior Infants more capable of dealing with the world than any of those ****in imbeciles in that video.

    I have observed a fetishisation of neurosis. To be neuro different in some way has been a badge of distinction for at least a decade. Look at the Ritalin kids generation, which was not just an American phenomenon, I had a UK friend who was an inspector if schools and 15 years ago she was remarking on the bottles lined up in the staff rooms all over the place. Anyway, big area, no time now...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    This ones gives even more of an insight. The ‘sensory overload’ dude (oops, gendering) speaks again:



    How do these people get through an average day? Such delicate doilies.

    What a gathering of absolute fcukwits. Honestly, there are actual adults in that room that should know better and take control of such utter utter nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Despite this subject being so ripe for excellent comedy, it is very real.
    Social policy has been captured by a cult-like ideology that erases women and homosexuals under the banner of fake 'rights'.
    Transgenderist self-ID (not to be confused with transsexualism) is the new cash cow of LGBTQIA2S- blah- blah orgs.
    These orgs post-2015 have extraordinary leverage with governments and therefore have controlled social policy which will negatively affect half the population

    Employers are now the BINGO! conduit to ram this sh1t down our necks.
    Your livelihood is now part of the sacrifice if you do not comply.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    It's become a requirement in a lot of American tech companies to have this in their email sig

    That's where I draw the line.

    If someone chooses to include their choice of pronoun in their email signature, I have no problem with that, and will follow their wishes.

    BUT I object to a company instructing an employee to include pronouns in their email signature as a requirement.

    ___________


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AulWan wrote: »
    That's where I draw the line.

    If someone chooses to include their choice of pronoun in their email signature, I have no problem with that, and will follow their wishes.

    BUT I object to a company instructing an employee to include pronouns in their email signature as a requirement.

    ___________

    One cannot just wish English grammar away. It gives a very bad impression of the writer and the company to a reader.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭B_ecke_r


    There are only 2 genders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    AulWan wrote: »
    ...I object to a company instructing an employee to include pronouns in their email signature as a requirement...

    In my view, that is gender-based harassment and intimidation on the part of such company against people who wish to keep their personal pronouns private. I'm not joking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    B_ecke_r wrote: »
    There are only 2 genders.

    Kylie and Kendal?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jimgoose wrote: »
    In my view, that is gender-based harassment and intimidation on the part of such company against people who wish to keep their personal pronouns private. I'm not joking.
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.

    No, what I'm driving at is employers have no business forcing people to publicise personal, gender- and/or sexuality-related stuff like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.

    I just can't keep up with this shít. It's like the world has become a parody of itself. Literally nothing is too fúcking stupid for some group of clowns to demand it be taken seriously this days.

    Language just evolves, you can't force people to use certain words, if they don't gel naturally they just won't be used. New words are created all the time and fall into general usage while others just fade out - but it's next to impossible to control, it just happens organically.

    Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shít with dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    ...Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shít with dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!

    Has he asked Dame Judi Dench what she thinks about it?? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jimgoose wrote: »
    No, what I'm driving at is employers have no business forcing people to publicise personal, gender- and/or sexuality-related stuff like that.
    I agree but the workplace is not a place to lay down social tendencies. People can be respectful without "personal choice" pronouns ever rearing their heads.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow



    Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shwith dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    jimgoose wrote: »
    No, what I'm driving at is employers have no business forcing people to publicise personal, gender- and/or sexuality-related stuff like that.

    I agree. There should be no need for any more information then your name in a business email or professional profile, in my humble opinion.7

    For what its worth, I trained myself into the habit of writing in a gender neutral fashion (as much as its possible) for business purposes years ago before gender neutrality was even a thing. It's not that hard to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    jimgoose wrote: »
    Has he asked Dame Judi Dench what she thinks about it?? :pac:

    She's not allowed to use it anymore. She's just Dame Judy now;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    I just can't keep up with this shít. It's like the world has become a parody of itself. Literally nothing is too fúcking stupid for some group of clowns to demand it be taken seriously this days.

    Language just evolves, you can't force people to use certain words, if they don't gel naturally they just won't be used. New words are created all the time and fall into general usage while others just fade out - but it's next to impossible to control, it just happens organically.

    Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shít with dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!

    I think that’s what’s rubbing people up the wrong way. Some TRAs have latched onto “Language evolves!” to try and introduce this pronoun stuff but language evolution is organic.

    And honestly, even though ‘they’ could already be used as a singular, using it as a singular was never ideal for me. I chose it if no other word was available at that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Rologyro wrote: »
    I saw this for the first time today on an Irish LinkedIn profile. Their name was down as “Jane Bloggs (she, her)”.
    Excellent, this makes separating the chaff from the wheat easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Yeah. Can you imagine the sort of drip you'd be stuck with if you hired someone with their pronouns on their linkedin profile?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Not all names are easily identifiable as either female or male. Take Alex for example, could be anything. So adding a pronoun can help with identifying a gender of the person. Personally though I think it is a form of cheating to add a gender-specific pronoun anyway because you are supposed to be hired for your expertise and not anything else.

    My pronoun is Dr. by the way ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    victor8600 wrote: »
    Not all names are easily identifiable as either female or male. Take Alex for example, could be anything. So adding a pronoun can help with identifying a gender of the person. Personally though I think it is a form of cheating to add a gender-specific pronoun anyway because you are supposed to be hired for your expertise and not anything else.

    My pronoun is Dr. by the way ;)

    How did people figure this out before? And if a mistake is made, big deal. It’ll get corrected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭victor8600


    How did people figure this out before? And if a mistake is made, big deal. It’ll get corrected.

    Well exactly, and putting pronouns is not needed on an employment-related site.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.

    Sometimes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ipso wrote: »
    Eh, that's an adjective or noun, not a pronoun and another neologism I see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Fourier


    This ones gives even more of an insight. The ‘sensory overload’ dude (oops, gendering) speaks again:



    How do these people get through an average day? Such delicate doilies.
    Hi Obvious Desperate Breakfasts.

    Just to say some of us come to boards expecting a primarily textual experience. Embedded videos of this sort are difficult to handle without a warning and I'll be honest skirt the boundary of audio-visual assault. Luckily I had my safety blanket with me, but if you could please think before engaging in video aggression in future that would be great.

    That video is like a parody skit. A few years ago I think I read an article joking about clapping being aggressive and yet here we are clapping is actually aggressive and assaulting to some people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    I never understand the need for 'gender neutral' toilets. Surely you just pick the ladies jacks and go into the privacy of a cubicle simple.
    Of course disabled toilets are 'gender neutral' and a lot of times in pubs they end up as store rooms....
    The disabled toilets in work were re-labelled a few months ago. The main difference is that any disabled person who might want to use them has less of a chance (and I didn't bother using one of those nice alternatives to 'disabled' on purpose). My sister thought I made it up when I showed her a picture of the door, rather than just the sign.

    495677.JPG

    And before anybody says anything about me being offended, I'm not. I'm just fed-up, and weary of listening to all this sort of talk. (Can excessive eye-rolling affect your sight?) ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Sky King wrote: »
    Yeah. Can you imagine the sort of drip you'd be stuck with if you hired someone with their pronouns on their linkedin profile?

    I'd take them over a vocal typical AH poster any day of the week to be honest, as would the HR departments of any respectable corporate in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Fourier wrote: »
    That video is like a parody skit.

    You are right, Id be laughing at this on South-park, its hard to believe its people actually being serious. I had to actually search around to work out exactly what the OP was talking about with this he/her thing!! You can tell this generation has no real serious things to worry about when this sort of stuff is being made a thing.


    As far as I am concerned it doesn't matter if you are black white, yellow, brown, have dick and/or fanny, you are either a decent person I like spending time with or you arent . . Everything else is irrelevant and if people want to make or imply its relevant, be best you go off and spend your time with sensory overload guy who might be sympathetic to your cause. .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    bluewolf wrote: »
    i hope it doesn't here. load of ****

    A lot of people in my company have this in their email signature (American company). Utter shyte in my book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    RWCNT wrote: »
    I'd take them over a vocal typical AH poster any day of the week to be honest, as would the HR departments of any respectable corporate in the world.
    This is hardly a like for like measure!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Ah I love that video though. ****ing hilarious.

    At least some utter comedy gold is being generated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    RWCNT wrote: »
    I'd take them over a vocal typical AH poster any day of the week to be honest, as would the HR departments of any respectable corporate in the world.
    I'd say they would have equal disdain for each.


  • Registered Users Posts: 460 ✭✭Tom1991


    Its a shame that language has such a catastrophic effect on some people more than others.I was a barman for ten years and its the one part of the trade i miss is telling customers co workers and employers on occasion to **** themselves.

    Ill call people by whatever they want to be called but reserve the right to tell people to **** themselves on occasion.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Fourier wrote: »
    Hi Obvious Desperate Breakfasts.

    Just to say some of us come to boards expecting a primarily textual experience. Embedded videos of this sort are difficult to handle without a warning and I'll be honest skirt the boundary of audio-visual assault. Luckily I had my safety blanket with me, but if you could please think before engaging in video aggression in future that would be great.

    PoInT Of PeRsOnAL pRiViLeGe: you’re not allowed to criticise me, that hurts my fee fees so much that I get PTSD.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Hadn't seen that video in a while so watched it again just now. It's the gift that keeps on giving! :D

    "Aggressive scent" - amazing.

    Anxiety, sensory overload - lots of people have these and always did. It's referred to as easily agitated, jarred. It can indeed be difficult for some, but most people recognise it's not something that makes the world only about them and they harden the **** up and tackle it themselves by sucking up day to day life instead of demanding special treatment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Hadn't seen that video in a while so watched it again just now. It's the gift that keeps on giving! :D

    "Aggressive scent" - amazing.

    Anxiety, sensory overload - lots of people have these and always did. It's referred to as easily agitated, jarred. It can indeed be difficult for some, but most people recognise it's not something that makes the world only about them and they harden the **** up and tackle it themselves by sucking up day to day life instead of demanding special treatment.

    Yeah, I can’t listen to chalk on a blackboard. It’s painful to my ears. But even as a child, I was very aware that this was nobody else’s problem and that I just had to deal with it. And I did, usually by subtly covering my ears.

    As well as that, I just don’t get the rush of some to paint themselves as victims. From my experience, most people will do anything to appear the opposite, to seem resilient in public as a point of pride.

    My sister has increasingly become part of the “I find that offensive” brigade and it’s exhausting. We were in a waiting room of a Dublin hospital a few months ago and on the noticeboard was a poster of the All-Ireland winning Dublin team. She said “This hospital might be in Dublin but there’s patients coming here from all over the country. That poster shouldn’t be up, it’s offensive”. Once I got my eyeballs back in to position after they rolled back in my head, I said “So?”. Like, so what if somebody finds something so inoffensive offensive? That doesn’t mean they have to be indulged. It’s all just so goddamn joyless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow



    My sister has increasingly become part of the “I find that offensive” brigade and it’s exhausting. We were in a waiting room of a Dublin hospital a few months ago and on the noticeboard was a poster of the All-Ireland winning Dublin team. She said “This hospital might be in Dublin but there’s patients coming here from all over the country. That poster shouldn’t be up, it’s offensive”. Once I got my eyeballs back in to position after they rolled back in my head, I said “So?”. Like, so what if somebody finds something so inoffensive offensive? That doesn’t mean they have to be indulged. It’s all just so goddamn joyless.
    For God's sake. I'm from Mayo and while I'm butthurt that Dublin repeatedly stole Sam from us :p I wouldn't find a picture of the Dublin team in a Dublin hospital offensive. I'll join you in giving your sister :rolleyes: It's not like they wanted to put a picture of the Dublin team in Castlebar hospital :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,743 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    It's not like they wanted to put a picture of the Dublin team in Castlebar hospital :pac:
    ...
    Meath credit union celebrates 'our very own' Dublin GAA team winning All-Ireland final


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    My sister has increasingly become part of the “I find that offensive” brigade and it’s exhausting. We were in a waiting room of a Dublin hospital a few months ago and on the noticeboard was a poster of the All-Ireland winning Dublin team. She said “This hospital might be in Dublin but there’s patients coming here from all over the country. That poster shouldn’t be up, it’s offensive”. Once I got my eyeballs back in to position after they rolled back in my head, I said “So?”. Like, so what if somebody finds something so inoffensive offensive? That doesn’t mean they have to be indulged. It’s all just so goddamn joyless.

    Did they have a picture of the Dublin Ladies All-Ireland winning team up too? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Speaking of pictures, this week Vogue magazine - founded in 1892 and said to be the largest woman's magazine in the world - had this image of Gwendolyn Ann Smith

    Gwendolyn%252520Ann%252520Smith.jpg

    https://www.vogue.com/article/gwendolyn-ann-smith-interview-transgender-day-of-remembrance


    It is well known that the bat has been taken up as a symbol of threats of brutality and violence to women who object to gender theory trans ideology. It has been used in art exhibitions and is regularly all over social media to back up terrible threats. Degenderettes, for example,

    Dd9Oh-RV0AA0HFx.jpg:large

    uxi8xkdgicq31.jpg

    The pciture of Gwendolyn accompanies a story about trans women being killed. It is not mentioned that most are killed by violent exes or by clients, not by random ''haters'' which is what we are supposed to think. Sex work is notoriously dangerous. Nor is it mentioned that the rate of trans women murdered is the same or lower than the rate of biological women murdered, speaking statistically.

    Interestingly, and tangentially, the list of trans serial killers has been removed this year from Wikipedia even though the paraphilia of cross dressing is the most common one among all serial killers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Interestingly, and tangentially, the list of trans serial killers has been removed this year from Wikipedia even though the paraphilia of cross dressing is the most common one among all serial killers.

    Oh yay! Now we're going to start hiding facts to avoid offending people!

    People are telling me I've turned into an introvert, a hermit, and I need to get out more. I actually don't think I do, if this is what is waiting outside. I'll continue to live in my bubble, where there's no such thing as labels and pronouns for people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/nov/23/blind-date-jen-anna-glasses-fog-up

    The Guardian does blind dates. The people who go are interviewed for an article afterwards. On the latest blind date the Guardian set up a lesbian, Anna, with a transwoman called Jen. Anna was not told the blind date was trans. Later Anna decided she was not interested in more dates, she was very polite about it, she was called transphobic online.

    This at the very least is rude, perhaps even malicious. Lesbians are attracted to females. That is the essential factor of same sex attraction. Same sex-ness. They put that young woman in an unpleasant position publicly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Gynoid wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/nov/23/blind-date-jen-anna-glasses-fog-up

    The Guardian does blind dates. The people who go are interviewed for an article afterwards. On the latest blind date the Guardian set up a lesbian, Anna, with a transwoman called Jen. Anna was not told the blind date was trans. Later Anna decided she was not interested in more dates, she was very polite about it, she was called transphobic online.

    This at the very least is rude, perhaps even malicious. Lesbians are attracted to females. That is the essential factor of same sex attraction. Same sex-ness. They put that young woman in an unpleasant position publicly.

    A) it’s the Guardian - so woke even the most awake feel themselves going to ****ing sleep
    B) The feelings of Trans in this scenario are irrelevant - it’s the equivalent of a honey trap in which even if you are the victim you are wrong because transphobia


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