Budget 2020, Another tenner or is it twenty

nthclare · 08-10-2019 1:28pm #1

Looks like this budget is going to take another tenner or possibly 20 out of our pockets a week...

So in the last ten years we're all down around 5200 a year ....

Well done Paschal

Good man

Environmentally friendly jobs, therefore filling the pocket's of the people who invested their money in wind turbines etc

Don't tell Jimmy and Mary you need a diesel engine to get them going, or the amount of tonnes of environmental unfriendly organic lubricant it takes to keep them serviced....

Yep

El Weirdo · 08-10-2019 1:35pm

Thanks to our economics correspondent, nthclare for that report there.

Here's Bob with a roundup of today's sport.

Leg End Reject · 08-10-2019 1:39pm

It was already well known that it was going to be grim budget, but given the uncertainty ahead it's probably the best course of action. We'll just suck it up as usual.

Salary Negotiator · 08-10-2019 1:39pm

Hopefully this will be the first of many fiscally responsible budgets.

Trigger Happy · 08-10-2019 1:45pm

Still wondering why they have a double dole at Christmas when most businesses in retail and warehousing cant hire staff fast enough in December.

TuringBot47 · 08-10-2019 1:48pm

nthclare wrote: »

Looks like this budget is going to take another tenner or possibly 20 out of our pockets a week...

So in the last ten years we're all down around 5200 a year ....

Well done Paschal

Was Paschal in Fianna Fail 10 years ago?

Leg End Reject · 08-10-2019 1:49pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Still wondering why they have a double dole at Christmas when most businesses in retail and warehousing cant hire staff fast enough in December.

Something something the most vulnerable ...

Fr_Dougal · 08-10-2019 1:52pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Still wondering why they have a double dole at Christmas when most businesses in retail and warehousing cant hire staff fast enough in December.

Because:

€365 million will also be provided for extra Social Protection expenditure, the D is told.

Why should they?

Edgware · 08-10-2019 1:55pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Still wondering why they have a double dole at Christmas when most businesses in retail and warehousing cant hire staff fast enough in December.

We cant have our useless dole spongers going without at Christmas. Never mind the poor gob****e getting up to go to work

Bobblehats · 08-10-2019 1:58pm

Story pascal, what’s the score. Or more pertinently where is it

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-10-2019 2:21pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Still wondering why they have a double dole at Christmas when most businesses in retail and warehousing cant hire staff fast enough in December.

blame the system

too much hassle for a few weeks work

nthclare · 08-10-2019 2:23pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

Thanks to our economics correspondent, nthclare for that report there.

Here's Bob with a roundup of today's sport.

lol love it, I'm not very sporty
But I'm glad my post gave you some sport and inspiration for such a classic comeback...

Best response to any of my post's ever, I was sitting in the canteen picked up the phone and had a great laugh.

Very 80's or 90's humour

You got in before bertieshorse

RacoonQueen · 08-10-2019 2:36pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Still wondering why they have a double dole at Christmas when most businesses in retail and warehousing cant hire staff fast enough in December.

I'd love to get double pay for Christmas week. Wonder would my employer go for it. Amount of tax I pay on it would surely cover at least the guts of one lifetime doler.

Assetbacked · 08-10-2019 2:40pm

No indication that a revised budget will be brought in should Brexit occur with a deal or not occur at all, in both instances the economy will continue to grow.

Utter plebs FG. No change to corporate tax but no change to the loopholes enabling the big MNCs pay effectively 0% tax.

Paschal Donohue and the FG party should be hung from the gates of the Dail.

Brendan Bendar · 08-10-2019 2:42pm

Louise O Reilly on the motor mouth run.

How does that person even breathe, like Katie Taylor on speed.

Slow the fcuk down for JAysus sake.

Poor Aine trying to find a gap in the diatribe.

HorrorScope · 08-10-2019 2:43pm

And the smokes get hit with another increase - surely reaching a point of utter pointlessness now? The black market is exploding and more and more people are simply bringing duty free back rather than pay the extortionate prices here.

I'm sure the revenue made from tobacco sales is not an insubstantial figure, but they might start seriously regretting all these billy big bollix increases when it starts taking a serious nosedive.

lleti · 08-10-2019 2:43pm

Hopefully that's Paschals last budget.

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 2:45pm

Nearly a billion sent out as aid to some of the richest countries in the world.....

More money for hap...

More money for the influx of refugees that are mainly coming from countries that have absolutely no war or issues that should be the reason of trying to flee.

Brendan Bendar · 08-10-2019 2:48pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nearly a billion sent out as aid to some of the richest countries in the world.....

More money for hap...

More money for the influx of refugees that are mainly coming from countries that have absolutely no war or issues that should be the reason of trying to flee.

Could you perhaps give a few links or back up for those points?

08-10-2019 2:48pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nearly a billion sent out as aid to some of the richest countries in the world......

....such as?

Fr_Dougal · 08-10-2019 2:50pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

And the smokes get hit with another increase - surely reaching a point of utter pointlessness now? The black market is exploding and more and more people are simply bringing duty free back rather than pay the extortionate prices here.

I'm sure the revenue made from tobacco sales is not an insubstantial figure, but they might start seriously regretting all these billy big bollix increases when it starts taking a serious nosedive.

Yup, that’s what I’m doing anyhow. Weekends away in mainland Europe instead of Ireland, bring back lots of smokes. Double hit as I’m spending less money in Ireland. Have probably bought 5 packs of cigarettes in Ireland this year.

Buying 2 cartons of smokes abroad would save me €100+.

knipex · 08-10-2019 2:53pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

No change to corporate tax but no change to the loopholes enabling the big MNCs pay effectively 0% tax.

Were the bulk of them not closed over the last few years ??

Stevieluvsye · 08-10-2019 2:55pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Yup, that’s what I’m doing anyhow. Weekends away in mainland Europe instead of Ireland, bring back lots of smokes. Double hit as I’m spending less money in Ireland. Have probably bought 5 packs of cigarettes in Ireland this year.

Buying 2 cartons of smokes abroad would save me €100+.

Yep, me also. And generally have someone from the family who'll be away at any given time to stock up for me also

Cina · 08-10-2019 2:58pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nearly a billion sent out as aid to some of the richest countries in the world.....

More money for hap...

More money for the influx of refugees that are mainly coming from countries that have absolutely no war or issues that should be the reason of trying to flee.

This is pure nonsense.

AMKC · 08-10-2019 2:58pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Yup, that’s what I’m doing anyhow. Weekends away in mainland Europe instead of Ireland, bring back lots of smokes. Double hit as I’m spending less money in Ireland. Have probably bought 5 packs of cigarettes in Ireland this year.

Buying 2 cartons of smokes abroad would save me €100+.

Sure you can save that €100+ for when you inevitable get cancer so you can go private to get cured. I am not and would not wish cancer on anyone but that is what you and every other smoker not to mention some unlucky passive smokers will end up with if you keep smoking. There is nothing good about it its disgusting and throwing cigarette butts on the ground is littering. Whats so hard about putting it in a cigarette tray or a bin if its safe to do so?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 08-10-2019 3:00pm

nthclare wrote: »

Looks like this budget is going to take another tenner or possibly 20 out of our pockets a week...

So in the last ten years we're all down around 5200 a year ....

Well done Paschal

Good man

Environmentally friendly jobs, therefore filling the pocket's of the people who invested their money in wind turbines etc

Don't tell Jimmy and Mary you need a diesel engine to get them going, or the amount of tonnes of environmental unfriendly organic lubricant it takes to keep them serviced....

Yep

I don't know how you're doing your maths but you'd have to be driving a real gas guzzler while smoking 40 cigarettes a day and not be a tax payer yet not on social welfare, to be down that kind of money this year or in any of the past ten years. Most of the carbon charges don't even kick in until next May.

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 3:03pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Could you perhaps give a few links or back up for those points?

Africa is one.... Yes there is poverty but the ones running the country are rolling in it and don't be mistaken, where do you think the aid money goes....

You only have to look back where €4 million went missing and that's only a drop in the ocean....

Oil rich countries but the poor are not helped one bit by their own government.

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 3:03pm

Cina wrote: »

This is pure nonsense.

Prove me wrong then.

PinotNero · 08-10-2019 3:04pm

I'm old, gimme gimme gimme!

Murof · 08-10-2019 3:04pm

AMKC wrote: »

Sure you can save that €100+ for when you inevitable get cancer so you can go private to get cured. I am not and would not wish cancer on anyone but that is what you and every other smoker not to mention some unlucky passive smokers will end up with if you keep smoking. There is nothing good about it its disgusting and throwing cigarette butts on the ground is littering. Whats so hard about putting it in a cigarette tray or a bin if its safe to do so?

Calm down there, Dr. Quinn Medicine woman. :rolleyes:

Mind your own business. What people do to their bodies is their business, not yours.

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 3:05pm

Cina wrote: »

This is pure nonsense.

Is there a war in Africa?
India?
Albania?

LuasSimon · 08-10-2019 3:05pm

Will put an extra twenty or so in the pockets of those who never worked a day in their lives with families ..

Your Face · 08-10-2019 3:06pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nearly a billion sent out as aid to some of the richest countries in the world.....

More money for hap...

More money for the influx of refugees that are mainly coming from countries that have absolutely no war or issues that should be the reason of trying to flee.

punisher5112 wrote: »

Africa is one.... Yes there is poverty but the ones running the country are rolling in it and don't be mistaken, where do you think the aid money goes....

You only have to look back where €4 million went missing and that's only a drop in the ocean....

Oil rich countries but the poor are not helped one bit by their own government.

Africa is a continent.

blueshade · 08-10-2019 3:07pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Could you perhaps give a few links or back up for those points?

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/ireland-to-double-foreign-aid-to-more-than-two-billion-euro-by-2030-37866396.html

In this article Coveneny and Varadker commit to increasing Ireland's Foreign Aid spending from the current 800 million a year to 2 billion a year. Varadker finishes the article by saying that ''we'' are making sacrifices considering what that 2 billion a year could be spent on in Ireland. India has a higher military/defence budget and space programme than us yet receives Foreign Aid. Shure don't worry, when Paddy and Mary are over 70 they'll get a Medical card, if they don't freeze or die of pneumonia in rural Ireland when they have to choose between turning the heat on or putting some food on the table and it's only right that Lucky and his wife from Nigeria are given one as soon as they claim asylum.

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 3:07pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Will put an extra twenty or so in the pockets of those who never worked a day in their lives with families ..

Maggy cash will be absolutely delighted....

Free house for life, money for nothing, children allowance for a football team, grants, fuel allowance and much much more.

kona · 08-10-2019 3:07pm

Sincere Big Theme wrote: »

I don't know how you're doing your maths but you'd have to be driving a real gas guzzler while smoking 40 cigarettes a day and not be a tax payer yet not on social welfare, to be down that kind of money this year or in any of the past ten years. Most of the carbon charges don't even kick in until next May.

Id say on usc alone id be down that at least over the last 10 years.

zimmermania · 08-10-2019 3:08pm

Willie Odea huffed and puffed about pensioners getting a fiver increase but the Mighty Mouse in Limerick proved he is just a Church mouse in Dublin.

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 3:09pm

Your Face wrote: »

Africa is a continent.

Ok but they still are actually rich just not spreading this wealth and are more then happy to see their people die.

Us giving more money is actually just giving more to the rich...

enricoh · 08-10-2019 3:09pm

Cina wrote: »

This is pure nonsense.

Overall Government ODA to increase by €109.8 million in Budget 2019 compared to Budget 2018 – the biggest year-on-year increase since 2006

Estimated Total ODA for 2019 of €816.9 million

817 million last year, did it increase in todays budget?

Brendan Bendar · 08-10-2019 3:10pm

blueshade wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/ireland-to-double-foreign-aid-to-more-than-two-billion-euro-by-2030-37866396.html

In this article Coveneny and Varadker commit to increasing Ireland's Foreign Aid spending from the current 800 million a year to 2 billion a year. Varadker finishes the article by saying that ''we'' are making sacrifices considering what that 2 billion a year could be spent on in Ireland. India has a higher military/defence budget and space programme than us yet receives Foreign Aid. Shure don't worry, when Paddy and Mary are over 70 they'll get a Medical card, if they don't freeze or die of pneumonia in rural Ireland when they have to choose between turning the heat on or putting some food on the table and it's only right that Lucky and his wife from Nigeria are given one as soon as they claim asylum.

2030 and promised..... get off the stage dude.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 08-10-2019 3:18pm

Once they don't tax me Dutch Gold I'm happy.

Wombatman · 08-10-2019 3:18pm

32 cents out of €100 euro. Stop whinging and enjoy the glow from giving a little.

In 2017, the Government spent €743.42 million on Ireland’s aid programme. This is called Official Development Assistance (ODA) and represented 0.32% of Gross National Product (GNP) or 32 cents in every €100 that the country produces.

The aim of Ireland’s aid programme is to reduce poverty and hunger, particularly in sub- Saharan Africa where the needs are greatest. It supports longterm development and provides humanitarian assistance in over eighty of the world’s poorest countries.

Most of the funding is spent on agriculture and nutrition programmes, health and HIV, education services, and on providing much-needed humanitarian assistance in emergencies situations.

Our programme is delivered by a variety of partners and organisations. In our partner countries we work closely with governments, local authorities and communities. We also work closely with a wide range of national and international Civil Society Organisations (CSOs) to contribute to the eradication of poverty, hunger and human rights violations. Their reach into poor and marginalised communities and their capacity to respond, especially in humanitarian situations, makes them important partners

We also give significant support through the UN and EU, which allows us to engage at a global level and provide assistance to areas outside our partner countries.

https://www.irishaid.ie/what-we-do/how-our-aid-works/where-the-money-goes/

Your Face · 08-10-2019 3:19pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Ok but they still are actually rich just not spreading this wealth and are more then happy to see their people die.

Us giving more money is actually just giving more to the rich...

That's not how international aid works.

Its many degrees more complicated than that.
Lets just say that Irish Aid doesn't just deposit millions in the bank account of a despot and hope for the best.

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 3:21pm

Your Face wrote: »

That's not how international aid works.

Its many degrees more complicated than that.
Lets just say that Irish Aid doesn't just deposit millions in the bank account of a despot and hope for the best.

Well then how is it the African leaders must have everything go through them 1st.

Salary Negotiator · 08-10-2019 3:25pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Well then how is it the African leaders must have everything go through them 1st.

Jesus lad, if you don’t know that you’re talking about just stop talking.

bigroad · 08-10-2019 3:26pm

Why don't they get a few trucks ,load them with condoms and drive them into Africa .

punisher5112 · 08-10-2019 3:27pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Jesus lad, if you don’t know that you’re talking about just stop talking.

A lot of corruption over there but hey it's ok as you say I've no idea....

enricoh · 08-10-2019 3:28pm

That paschal Donoghue cannot stop spending money- worse than useless.
When fg got in it was meant to be 50/50
split on increase spending n tax cuts. Then 2/1 spending v tax cuts. It must be 98/2 at this stage!
More free houses, more hap, crimbo bonus, fuel allowance more, more, more!

Brendan Bendar · 08-10-2019 3:28pm

Oh dear..

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-10-2019 3:30pm

nthclare wrote: »

Looks like this budget is going to take another tenner or possibly 20 out of our pockets a week...

So in the last ten years we're all down around 5200 a year ....

Well done Paschal

Good man

Environmentally friendly jobs, therefore filling the pocket's of the people who invested their money in wind turbines etc

Don't tell Jimmy and Mary you need a diesel engine to get them going, or the amount of tonnes of environmental unfriendly organic lubricant it takes to keep them serviced....

Yep

Was this you multiplying 52 by 10? Or do you mean €5,200 in ten years total?

Cina · 08-10-2019 3:32pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nearly a billion sent out as aid to some of the richest countries in the world.....

More money for hap...

More money for the influx of refugees that are mainly coming from countries that have absolutely no war or issues that should be the reason of trying to flee.

Why would I need to prove you wrong? You're the one who made the claims with zero facts or articles or anything to back yourself up. You're the one who should be "proving" yourself, not me. So why don't you back up your claims and we can all go from there?

Budget 2020, Another tenner or is it twenty

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