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Schools closed until undetermined date - was March 29th

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  • #52
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    tonycascarino wrote: »
    I know some people who are only 3 weeks into a 10 week placement. No way have all inspections been completed for that.

    In our place all inspections are done.

    Speaking of inspections....... What are the inspectors going to be doing since all the schools are off?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #53
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Tow wrote: »
    Secondary School: They already have EMail, Office365 and MS Teams etc Got email from school a few days ago with their plains to continue teaching online, and links to all the required sites/apps/downloads. No problem as they already use the school's Office365 and email in some homework/projects etc. Books were all brought home from school yesterday. They are following their normal timetable for subjects and started at 9 this morning. The teachers had already setup 'teams/groups' for each class. So far so good. The teachers are giving them work to do, answering questions and getting them to send in their work. I know it is working, because the kids now are complaining to me :-) There has been no use of video links to teach, so far. But I think it is in the works, using Skype.

    National School: The school emailed yesterday that all books were being sent time. Child arrived home, their teacher had only sent some workbooks and instructions to work on the next few chapters.

    In fairness, they only got 3 hours notice. Like my NS. I'm sure the staff did their best.


  • #54
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,816 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Shn99 wrote: »
    Concerned LC student here, I know I should probably be posting this in the LC thread but it hasnt been used in months. Is it likely this closure will extend into easter? Really worried about loosing motivation as this drags on etc especially with our exams only 2 1/2 months away

    No one can say for sure but it wouldn't surprise me if it extends beyond Easter. Some talk of maybe holidays being brought in one week earlier but it's going to evolve over the coming weeks


  • #55
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Shn99 wrote: »
    Concerned LC student here, I know I should probably be posting this in the LC thread but it hasnt been used in months. Is it likely this closure will extend into easter? Really worried about loosing motivation as this drags on etc especially with our exams only 2 1/2 months away

    If your in 6th year a lot of your courses should be or about to be completed by Easter anyway. You should make a study timetable based on your current timetable and try revise or study those subjects at those times. Complete any projects you can and expect the orals to take place after Easter, so you are prepared, even if more delays occur.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #56
    Shn99
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Shn99


    Is it totally outlandish to think that if this gets worse, that it could potentially mean schools closed until end of the academic year?


  • #57
    acequion
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    Shn99 wrote: »
    Is it totally outlandish to think that if this gets worse, that it could potentially mean schools closed until end of the academic year?

    Nothing is outlandish is this freakish new universe but what is the point in projecting worse case scenarios like that? We just have to wait and see and hope for the best.


  • #58
    joebloggs32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Treppen wrote: »
    Your principal is a moron. Fact.

    Tell your principal no class should be using Google classroom.
    Google not compliant with GDPR as they will not guarantee your cloud storage is EU based or accessible to US authorities. That will tie him/her up in knots!
    By the Microsoft are compliant!


  • #59
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Thanks to most for sticking to the 'ethos' of this replacement thread.

    Please refrain from sniping at other posters. There is nobody here does not want the best for everyone in this situation.

    Some schools and teachers were/are slightly better prepared (for a great variety of reasons), it is not their fault others were/are not.

    Please remember tone is not always clear in text.


  • #60
    Tow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭Tow


    Evelynn Agreeable Manatee wrote: »
    In fairness, they only got 3 hours notice. Like my NS. I'm sure the staff did their best.

    The secondary school got the got the same notice as the NS. The difference being they started preparing since last week and what they produced with no real notice was very good. In the afternoon, one teacher had recorded about 15-20mins of video and gave them a task for the rest of the lesson. He must have been up all night recording and editing each class. Complete with a request for a thumbs up, if they liked his video.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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  • #61
    Treppen
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    Shn99 wrote: »
    Concerned LC student here, I know I should probably be posting this in the LC thread but it hasnt been used in months. Is it likely this closure will extend into easter? Really worried about loosing motivation as this drags on etc especially with our exams only 2 1/2 months away

    Actually, you now have access to a wide range of subject knowledge on this forum, I doubt the mods would mind if you asked any subject related questions.


  • #62
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Treppen wrote: »
    Actually, you now have access to a wide range of subject knowledge on this forum, I doubt the mods would mind if you asked any subject related questions.

    No problem whatsoever with subject or exam related questions. Actually, I will make a new thread for them.

    Questions for teachers thread


  • #63
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    If this drags on then both the LC and JC will have to be delayed. But it's a month away from such a decision being reached.


  • #64
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Tow wrote: »
    The secondary school got the got the same notice as the NS. The difference being they started preparing since last week and what they produced with no real notice was very good. In the afternoon, one teacher had recorded about 15-20mins of video and gave them a task for the rest of the lesson. He must have been up all night recording and editing each class. Complete with a request for a thumbs up, if they liked his video.
    Personally I think schools are doing amazing job with all this disruption.

    My kids have been off most of the week and I'm meeting the principal next week to get books.
    We'll be getting emails from teachers over the coming weeks with work.

    5 week closure won't be a surprise.

    Generally departmental staff aren't being advised until the last minute.


  • #65
    sitstill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭sitstill


    My principal (post primary community schl) is pressuring us and the snas to go in to work from Wednesday. Says that school is closed only for pupils and we should be in for the normal work hours. Is this correct or is our principal just being a dick?


  • #66
    Millem
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    sitstill wrote: »
    My principal (post primary community schl) is pressuring us and the snas to go in to work from Wednesday. Says that school is closed only for pupils and we should be in for the normal work hours. Is this correct or is our principal just being a dick?

    I had to go in on Friday to get a few things.....there was no one there bar caretakers, vice p and cleaner. Cleaner had a mask on.
    We got email to say if we come in we have to sign a book and keep the recommended social distance between us.


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  • #67
    TTLF
    Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    as a 5th year, i have the growing concern I won't be seeing school for longer than these two weeks... if at all I might have just done my last day of 5th year without realising it...

    Homeschool has been working out ok, I have a custom built PC so I can type notes/receive stuff from Google Classroom, although some insructions from teachers has been a little "???" and im not exactly sure what to do, but I have friends/family who can hopefully help me. :p

    That's the update anyway.


  • #68
    TheDriver
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    sitstill wrote: »
    My principal (post primary community schl) is pressuring us and the snas to go in to work from Wednesday. Says that school is closed only for pupils and we should be in for the normal work hours. Is this correct or is our principal just being a dick?
    Both and somewhat pedantic. Isn't everyone teaching through online portals from home?


  • #69
    TheDriver
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    TTLF wrote: »
    as a 5th year, i have the growing concern I won't be seeing school for longer than these two weeks... if at all I might have just done my last day of 5th year without realising it...

    Homeschool has been working out ok, I have a custom built PC so I can type notes/receive stuff from Google Classroom, although some insructions from teachers has been a little "???" and im not exactly sure what to do, but I have friends/family who can hopefully help me. :p

    That's the update anyway.
    You only need a smart phone for Google classroom etc. It's a national crisis and everyone is in the same boat. Work away as best you can and it'll all sort itself out.


  • #70
    sitstill
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    TheDriver wrote: »
    Both and somewhat pedantic. Isn't everyone teaching through online portals from home?

    Yeah we have Microsoft teams and there was excellent engagement from students on Friday. I am thinking I will need to get union advice.


  • #71
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    What about the government's advice that employers should facilitate working from home wherever possible? Bit of a disgrace if a school tries to ignore that when it's already closed to pupils! I understand having the building open to facilitate a small number of staff using equipment to continue teaching beyond what's possible at home, but it should not be a requirement as that seems completely at odds with official advice.


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  • #72
    Alex86Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    sitstill wrote: »
    My principal (post primary community schl) is pressuring us and the snas to go in to work from Wednesday. Says that school is closed only for pupils and we should be in for the normal work hours. Is this correct or is our principal just being a dick?

    That doesn't sound right at all. Our school was closed at 6pm on Thursday and will not be open again to anyone until the 29th March. I thought that was the government directive.


  • #73
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    That doesn't sound right at all. Our school was closed at 6pm on Thursday and will not be open again to anyone until the 29th March. I thought that was the government directive.

    "schools/centres/offices are not closed, and teachers/tutors/instructors may go into school/centres if this assists in the creation of online learning opportunities for students. Ancillary staff will continue to work as normal where required and where possible."

    This is the CEO of the local ETB emailed. So it seems just closed for students really. The email also said BOM meetings should go ahead.


  • #74
    combat14
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    Northern Ireland looking at 16+ week closure of schools

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-northern-ireland-schools-will-close-for-at-least-16-weeks


  • #75
    Shn99
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    combat14 wrote: »
    Northern Ireland looking at 16+ week closure of schools

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-northern-ireland-schools-will-close-for-at-least-16-weeks

    Good grief, stressful time for students up there sitting A-Levels(if they were even to go ahead), GCSEs ect. Will hardly be the case here too?


  • #76
    sitstill
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    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    That doesn't sound right at all. Our school was closed at 6pm on Thursday and will not be open again to anyone until the 29th March. I thought that was the government directive.

    That’s what I would have assumed too but he’s working off the guidance from ACCS that says “closed to pupils” so he said that means open to staff.


  • #77
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    I just received an email from my son's principal with maths lessons for 2 weeks.
    More work in it for me than my son ;)


  • #78
    mirrorwall14
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    sitstill wrote: »
    My principal (post primary community schl) is pressuring us and the snas to go in to work from Wednesday. Says that school is closed only for pupils and we should be in for the normal work hours. Is this correct or is our principal just being a dick?

    I’d be ringing the Union on this. That’s a stupid move considering they are looking for people to work from home.

    I’m at home facilitating my classes and working with them on line but also minding my two children. Its one or the other. I would have to take unpaid leave to go to school if they insisted because I’m not bringing my kids into a school building with me and I have a comorbidity. In which case I wouldn’t do a tap as no pay. Then they wouldn’t be able to get a sub and my students would be left high and dry.

    Why on earth would they insist on something like that?


  • #79
    Teach30
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Teach30


    Hate working from home, have used my mobile data setting up google classroom and not looking forward to seeing what my phone bill will be like in a months time.

    Aside from that we have no central heating and the cold is unreal when your sitting for a long time. Plug in heater not much use. Fire lighting but tv major distraction as my fathers hearing is v poor. Don’t know how I will cope with weeks of this. Just needed to rant!


  • #80
    deiseindublin
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    We were initially told at lunch time on Thursday that all school buildings were closed to all staff, but this later updated to open and available for ancillary staff, and any teachers that want to use equipment etc, but there was no pressure to attend.

    It is ridiculous if teachers are pressured to come into work in some schools, while others are treated as professionals who can and will work from home to the best of their abilities. I'd imagine this is the biggest ETB in the country, but not sure if any other ETBs have taken the same stance?


  • #81
    Treppen
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    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    I’d be ringing the Union on this. That’s a stupid move considering they are looking for people to work from home.

    I’m at home facilitating my classes and working with them on line but also minding my two children. Its one or the other. I would have to take unpaid leave to go to school if they insisted because I’m not bringing my kids into a school building with me and I have a comorbidity. In which case I wouldn’t do a tap as no pay. Then they wouldn’t be able to get a sub and my students would be left high and dry.

    Why on earth would they insist on something like that?

    that would come under the 'being a dick' category.


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  • #82
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    We are all working from home, and got an email from our principal today stating we must be online during all our timetabled classes. Uploading work etc was not good enough, and he knows that people took yesterday off and he reported them to HR and they will have their pay docked. Union has been informed. :mad::mad:


  • #83
    spurious
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    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    We are all working from home, and got an email from our principal today stating we must be online during all our timetabled classes. Uploading work etc was not good enough, and he knows that people took yesterday off and he reported them to HR and they will have their pay docked. Union has been informed. :mad::mad:

    What a pit he is digging for himself whenever things go back to normal.
    If he wants people working during their timetabled hours he had better be careful he doesn't get exactly (and only) what he wishes for.


  • #84
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    We are all working from home, and got an email from our principal today stating we must be online during all our timetabled classes. Uploading work etc was not good enough, and he knows that people took yesterday off and he reported them to HR and they will have their pay docked. Union has been informed. :mad::mad:

    Wow
    Has the principal/school provided all staff with all the necessary technology needed .......

    That principal might find his staff only work their timetable and not a minute extra when they return
    What a toxic atmosphere the principal is creating

    Find out a lot about leaders in times of crisis !


  • #85
    km79
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    spurious wrote: »
    What a pit he is digging for himself whenever things go back to normal.
    If he wants people working during their timetabled hours he had better be careful he doesn't get exactly (and only) what he wishes for.

    He or she
    Careful now !


  • #86
    killbillvol2
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    km79 wrote: »
    He or she
    Careful now !

    It's clearly he in the original post.


  • #87
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    km79 wrote: »
    Wow
    Has the principal/school provided all staff with all the necessary technology needed .......

    That principal might find his staff only work their timetable and not a minute extra when they return
    What a toxic atmosphere the principal is creating

    Find out a lot about leaders in times of crisis !

    Technology is not really relevant ( good access in general) but lots of people have small kids/babies that they have to look after given that all the creches are closed, so they aren't in a position to do live classes.

    Toxic is a fairly accurate description.


  • #88
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    Technology is not really relevant ( good access in general) but lots of people have small kids/babies that they have to look after given that all the creches are closed, so they aren't in a position to do live classes.

    Toxic is a fairly accurate description.

    It shouldn’t be relevant but If the principal is reporting staff to HR it is relevant .
    In this situation given the hard line the principal is taken then obviously the principal would have to have ensured ALL staff were provided with adequate technology AND had adequate internet access and if not then put provisions in place
    Otherwise the principal has failed to do their own job !
    It’s a sad situation. Glad I don’t teach in that school .
    Is it an ETB ? (As you mentioned HR)
    Sounds like a Principal with eyes on a dept job rather than as a school leader
    Depressing


  • #89
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    km79 wrote: »
    It shouldn’t be relevant but If the principal is reporting staff to HR it is relevant .
    In this situation given the hard line the principal is taken then obviously the principal would have to have ensured ALL staff were provided with adequate technology AND had adequate internet access and if not then put provisions in place
    Otherwise the principal has failed to do their own job !
    It’s a sad situation. Glad I don’t teach in that school .
    Is it an ETB ? (As you mentioned HR)
    Sounds like a Principal with eyes on a dept job rather than as a school leader
    Depressing

    Yes.
    And that will never happen.


  • #90
    marina24
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭marina24


    Some horrendous stories of what is expected! Our principal advised us as best she could all week and it still was a panic getting ready to send all pupils home on Thursday.
    We got very reassuring emails- make contact with your classes, particularly exams classes but don’t overwhelm them with work. No nonsense of exactly following your timetable stuff. Try to do the best you can. If stuck come in and use the school- times given etc.


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  • #91
    Delta2113
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    Teach30 wrote: »
    Hate working from home, have used my mobile data setting up google classroom and not looking forward to seeing what my phone bill will be like in a months time.

    Aside from that we have no central heating and the cold is unreal when your sitting for a long time. Plug in heater not much use. Fire lighting but tv major distraction as my fathers hearing is v poor. Don’t know how I will cope with weeks of this. Just needed to rant!



    https://www.revenue.ie/en/employing-people/employee-expenses/e-working-and-home-workers/index.aspx


  • #92
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    marina24 wrote: »
    Some horrendous stories of what is expected! Our principal advised us as best she could all week and it still was a panic getting ready to send all pupils home on Thursday.
    We got very reassuring emails- make contact with your classes, particularly exams classes but don’t overwhelm them with work. No nonsense of exactly following your timetable stuff. Try to do the best you can. If stuck come in and use the school- times given etc.


    You mean your principal has normal expectations under the circumstances then?:)


  • #93
    SAXA
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    I have 4 kids under 8 year including a baby.. Wife still has to go to work... Not a hope I can get any sort of meaningful school work done.. Have told Principal as much...She is not overly happy.. She said your parents live up the road...Both late 70s . I have not gone near them for 3 weeks nor my kids as they have been in school or creche... Mind boggles


  • #94
    Teach30
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    Delta2113 wrote: »
    https://www.revenue.ie/en/employing-people/employee-expenses/e-working-and-home-workers/index.aspx

    Thanks.. I don’t really know what I’m supposed to get from this though..?
    If it’s payment for the phone Bill I’ll certainly get over that. I had a think about it and as I’ll have no travel expenses for a few weeks it should balance out.


  • #95
    TheValeyard
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    That principal is rapidly burning away any goodwill. Any charity work, team coaching, volunteer stuff from staff should stop immediately upon return to normal schooling. The entire locality should be made aware that his actions have caused staff to withdraw all free time and energy to school events. Fcuk that guy.

    If he did report any staff to HR, staff can easily claim they were busy (and probably were) sorting out work for the next two weeks. Considering many of us only had a few hours notice that the schools were closing, and some school managers literally took zero steps to prepare for this!

    I'd say his own incompetence is to blame for this and looks like he is completely unable to cope in a situation that was not preplanned.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #96
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    On a positive note,
    I'm happy to say our principal has told us to work from home, but the following options available if you want:

    1) prepare work, fire it on to the students via Teams, Email, etc
    2) using 365 actually teach a lesson via audio or webcam
    3) school will be open Wednesday after the scheduled break and staff can work from there if they wish
    4) stay safe and look after ourselves

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • #97
    NIMAN
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    On a positive note,
    I'm happy to say our principal has told us to work from home, but the following options available if you want:

    1) prepare work, fire it on to the students via Teams, Email, etc
    2) using 365 actually teach a lesson via audio or webcam
    3) school will be open Wednesday after the scheduled break and staff can work from there if they wish
    4) stay safe and look after ourselves

    That's VERY unlikely.


  • #98
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    NIMAN wrote: »
    That's VERY unlikely.

    I should clarify, Wednesday open for staff, not students.

    But depends what the government decide Monday

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #99
    Sammy2012
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    Not sure if anyone can give me advice but I'll ask anyway. Primary teacher to 1st and 2nd class.

    We had a staff meeting monday and asked the principal should we be getting ready for closure. Answer was it wont come to that. In fact when one teacher brought up about cancelling a trip they had organised for 2 weeks time they said not too. So we got no direction at all in relation about what to do. Thursday at 12pm (half an hour after the closure announcement) they came to tell us that there was still no word about what was happening. We all knew we had been told to close due to notifications on phones and family members had been in touch.

    Spent the rest of the day chatting to the kids about what was happening and finishing off work. No work sent home with any class.

    Yesterday (Saturday) they start messaging the staff telling us we need to be proactive about the situation. They want to set up Google doc accounts for students from 1st to 4th (5th and 6th) already have them and give prepare work for the children this way. She has emailed a link to some online sites such as pdst but the technology seems to be aimed at second level schools.

    Havent replied yet as not sure what to say. I'm assuming we would need parental consent to do that? I'm also wondering how they expect kids of 7 and 8 to work off computers with no help. I also know some parents will still be working and dont want to upset them anymore than they already have.

    Not sure what I'm looking for really just some thoughts.


  • #100
    km79
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    I remember the GDPR talk we got before the deadline a few years back
    Scared the life out of everyone

    Principals don’t seem too bothered about it now ......i do wonder who it would fall back on . The teachers or the school .
    GDPR guidelines would suggest the individual teacher
    Be careful . If you are not comfortable with something do not do it .
    How many schools do not have policies covering the use of online platforms and student /teacher interactions I wonder .
    We all want to do our best but at the same time we know the type of litigation society we live in


  • #101
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    TheValeyard wrote: »

    I'd say his own incompetence is to blame for this and looks like he is completely unable to cope in a situation that was not preplanned.

    Nah, it’s simpler than that. Power trip.


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