Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

aloooof · 31-01-2020 3:43pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I never said that.

What other way are we supposed to interpret "12 who tackles illegally" in a post about our weaknesses vs Scotland??

arsebiscuits1 · 31-01-2020 3:53pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

12 who tackles illegally

If we're only going to use one example to base an entire opinion on then....

Sexton can't kick
Murray can't pass
Cooney can't kick or pass
Furlong can't scrummage
Stander can't carry
VDF can't tackle
Larmour can't beat a defender

etc.

etc.

etc.

Dubinusa · 31-01-2020 3:54pm

I don't underestimate any side, but we should win. Scotland can be brilliant and are tough on their day, but it's rare. I expect us to win by 10.
It's a good match for Farrell to get his feet wet. Ireland are tough at home and obviously want to rebound from the rwc. It will be interesting to watch our tactics. I wonder how different things will be implemented from the start. I think that we're going to see a similar play list from the last year, but with a little more freedom for the players to play rugby.
I worry about the line out. It's an area that we need to improve. Herring will be under the microscope and he needs to put in a good performance.
Can't wait!

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 6:38pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

If we're only going to use one example to base an entire opinion on then....

Sexton can't kick
Murray can't pass
Cooney can't kick or pass
Furlong can't scrummage
Stander can't carry
VDF can't tackle
Larmour can't beat a defender

etc.

etc.

etc.

Sextons place kicking has been steadily worsening alright, and he has been making a habit of missing touch on big kicks as well.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 6:39pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

I don't underestimate any side, but we should win. Scotland can be brilliant and are tough on their day, but it's rare. I expect us to win by 10.
It's a good match for Farrell to get his feet wet. Ireland are tough at home and obviously want to rebound from the rwc. It will be interesting to watch our tactics. I wonder how different things will be implemented from the start. I think that we're going to see a similar play list from the last year, but with a little more freedom for the players to play rugby.
I worry about the line out. It's an area that we need to improve. Herring will be under the microscope and he needs to put in a good performance.
Can't wait!

Is it not a risk to just take the shackles off a team that has been playing the percentages for years and years?

Bridge93 · 31-01-2020 6:56pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Is it not a risk to just take the shackles off a team that has been playing the percentages for years and years?

Well 3 of the 4 provinces don’t play with shackles on and the other has a new inventive coach supposedly gradually loosening them. They’re all well capable

Podge_irl · 31-01-2020 7:11pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Is it not a risk to just take the shackles off a team that has been playing the percentages for years and years?

Getting out of bed is a risk.

It is a game of sports, anything can happen, but I imagine not a single pundit outside of Andy Nicol is going to expect Scotland to win. Wales could get two red cards in the opening 5 minutes and lose to Italy, but its not likely.

Former Former · 31-01-2020 7:23pm

Matt Cooper is absolutely painful. He's just awful.

mfceiling · 31-01-2020 7:29pm

Former Former wrote: »

Matt Cooper is absolutely painful. He's just awful.

Thank you.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 7:43pm

Former Former wrote: »

Matt Cooper is absolutely painful. He's just awful.

2fm have got a great sports show, well worth a listen.

31-01-2020 8:14pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Sextons place kicking has been steadily worsening alright, and he has been making a habit of missing touch on big kicks as well.

Anything to back this up?

molloyjh · 31-01-2020 8:28pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Anything to back this up?

Nothing factual.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 8:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything to back this up?

His percentages have steadily declined, that stat is easy to
Find

Podge_irl · 31-01-2020 9:01pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

His percentages have steadily declined, that stat is easy to
Find

Then it won't be hard for you
To go ahead and follow through
Produce this stat that you claim
Will show his percentages wain

31-01-2020 9:32pm

prawnsambo · 31-01-2020 9:41pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

His percentages have steadily declined, that stat is easy to
Find

So go find it.

We'll wait.

stephen_n · 31-01-2020 9:50pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

So go find it.

We'll wait.

I wouldn’t hold your breath

prawnsambo · 31-01-2020 9:51pm

stephen_n wrote: »

I wouldn’t hold your breath

I won't. I've been around this barbecue before.

sydthebeat · 31-01-2020 10:02pm

I'm starting to realise who this rereg is now......

lawrencesummers · 01-02-2020 1:38am

Sextons kicking is becoming an issue quiet frankly, his Champions cup record has declined. His accuracy is over 30% down this season on last, and that was down on the previous.

Remember his terrible missed kicks versus the all blacks in japan?

Neil3030 · 01-02-2020 3:00am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Sextons kicking is becoming an issue quiet frankly, his Champions cup record has declined. His accuracy is over 30% down this season on last, and that was down on the previous.

He's 72% in the Champion's Cup this season, from 3 games - 3/4, 3/4 and 2/3.

Last season's Champion's Cup (according to the Wiki page) he didn't miss a kick? 5/5, 5/5, 3/3, 5/5, 5/5, 2/2 (unless there's some mistake here).

So rephrasing this - he has missed three kicks this season. Three. And it has caused his accuracy to drop (actually by 28%, but you're close).

And how 100% can then be down on the previous season must be a mistake.

Dave_The_Sheep · 01-02-2020 3:40am

Neil3030 wrote: »

must be a mistake.

Surely not... when such statistics are so easy to find.

Please please please, people, just use the list. It's easier and leads to less quoting.

Neil3030 · 01-02-2020 3:52am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Surely not... when such statistics are so easy to find.

Please please please, people, just use the list. It's easier and leads to less quoting.

The list?

Dave_The_Sheep · 01-02-2020 4:15am

Last option when you click on a person's username.

Shefwedfan · 01-02-2020 10:14am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Sextons kicking is becoming an issue quiet frankly, his Champions cup record has declined. His accuracy is over 30% down this season on last, and that was down on the previous.

Remember his terrible missed kicks versus the all blacks in japan?

So your issue is a single kick? Apart from that you have zero proof his kicking is on the decline?

ionadnapokot · 01-02-2020 12:49pm

Blustery

Sexton kicks penalty’s to the corner
Aris agus aris

His vice-captains? just look on and nod.

thepogues · 01-02-2020 7:18pm

Ireland need to stick it in the corners. Scottish lineout is cat.

steves2 · 01-02-2020 7:20pm

What did stander do wrong for that? He wasn't the tackler

steves2 · 01-02-2020 7:21pm

thepogues wrote: »

Ireland need to stick it in the corners. Scottish lineout is cat.

Exactly what cooney does

thepogues · 01-02-2020 7:29pm

Cooney looks in his element.

Squidgy Black · 01-02-2020 7:30pm

thepogues wrote: »

Clooney looks in his element.

He was great in Catch 22 in fairness.

Clegg · 01-02-2020 7:35pm

That wasn't great

First half was iffy. Think we showed some invention in attack at times. Ringrose and Aki combined well to out each other through gaps. But the forwards we're static when running into the ball and defence wasn't off the line quick enough

We fixed our line speed in the second half and looked better defensively, but the Ringrose injury robbed us of our creativity. Very worried about his injury considering the Ireland camo wouldn't say what it was. Bit impressed with out set piece or physicality against Scotland. We've been poor in contact.

Furlong, Doris, Kilcoyne and Ringrose off injured is a disaster.

thepogues · 01-02-2020 7:39pm

Jasus that last scrum summed it up, we'll take the win and get the hell outta dodge.

Squidgy Black · 01-02-2020 7:41pm

Have to say, Scotland completely took us by surprise. The pace they moved the ball with, and held on to possession when doing it was superb. They looked organised, and they were dogged in defence. Made things a real battle.

Our scrum was poor, our offensive maul was poor, we started well moving it through the hands but started to revert to one out carries and our back three didn't compete at all under the box kicks, which were decent kicks regardless of what people will say.

Backrow was phenomenal, CJ and Josh were on top form, and POM should have silenced some critics with some of the turnovers that saved our arse.

Feel sorry for Doris, hope he's alright. Same goes for Killer, wasn't great witnessing it.

thepogues · 01-02-2020 7:51pm

Andy didn't seem to be mic'd up. Interesting contrast to Joe!

Cosmo Kramer · 01-02-2020 7:55pm

Next week looking very difficult now, in fact we'll do well to win more than one more game given the performance level today and the injuries sustained.

Worrying to see Healy struggle badly against a fairly average prop like Fagerson, but with Kilcoyne out now he will need to be kept on. I'd probably look at a different option than POM in the back row, again Doris' injury is a problem if it rules him out next week.

And it almost goes without saying that Cooney should be starting but it also goes without saying that he won't be.

lawrencesummers · 01-02-2020 7:58pm

If we play like that against Wales, England or France we will be well
Beaten.

Fair play to Finn Russell and Hogg, they did us huge favours today.

Clegg · 01-02-2020 8:12pm

Very different to Schmidt's Ireland. We attacked more from deep, allowed our centres do more than truck it up with Aki and Ringrose linking well together. We also showed some invention in the opposition 22. Really liked that strike play for Sexton's try. In the second half our defence was excellent once we sorted the line speed.

But the same failings from 2019 are still there. The front five looks underpowered and now the set piece is creaking too. In 2018, we won everything due to a dominant set piece, pack and half backs who controlled the game. We've none of that now.

lawrencesummers · 01-02-2020 8:39pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Scotland pack is weak IMO. Ireland to dominate up front with more genuine ball carriers meaning teams can no longer target Stander.

Ireland by 20
Doris to be MOTM.
Cooney to come on around the 55-60 mark and score
Adam Hastings to have nightmares all next week about a red scrum cap

You were close.

lawrencesummers · 01-02-2020 8:41pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance.
Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
27 v 3 in WC
13 v 22 in 6N

30+ v 7? 10 maybe

Cleaners closed Saturdays apparently.

Clegg · 01-02-2020 8:43pm

What is the point of your posts other than being needlessly antagonistic?

Shefwedfan · 01-02-2020 8:46pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You were close.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Cleaners closed Saturdays apparently.

Are you going to go back over the whole thread quoting people?

If you have spare time get us some of those stats on Sextons poor kicking please.

Shefwedfan · 01-02-2020 8:46pm

Clegg wrote: »

Very different to Schmidt's Ireland. We attacked more from deep, allowed our centres do more than truck it up with Aki and Ringrose linking well together. We also showed some invention in the opposition 22. Really liked that strike play for Sexton's try. In the second half our defence was excellent once we sorted the line speed.

But the same failings from 2019 are still there. The front five looks underpowered and now the set piece is creaking too. In 2018, we won everything due to a dominant set piece, pack and half backs who controlled the game. We've none of that now.

The differences where clear but they need to work on it, the Conway/Larmour break out which ended up with a line out to Scotland was poor

Then again they had 5 training session together.

I am not sure about Henderson, he didn’t show up today. Maybe Toner needs to start.

The POm, VDF, Stander back row happened by mistake, done ok but it’s not the future. Need to get Deegan/Doris on

The elephant in room is Murray. I said it last season and It’s the same this year, the only time in first half we got quick ruck ball was when Murray was gone and Herring(I think) took over. Cooney needs a shot to give the new style a chance

If Cooney is not the answer bring up Casey and give him a shot....can’t watch Murray walking up to ruck, looking around for 10 second and then passing

Locke_Lamora · 01-02-2020 8:51pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The differences where clear but they need to work on it, the Conway/Larmour break out which ended up with a line out to Scotland was poor

Then again they had 5 training session together.

I am not sure about Henderson, he didn’t show up today. Maybe Toner needs to start.

The POm, VDF, Stander back row happened by mistake, done ok but it’s not the future. Need to get Deegan/Doris on

The elephant in room is Murray. I said it last season and It’s the same this year, the only time in first half we got quick ruck ball was when Murray was gone and Herring(I think) took over. Cooney needs a shot to give the new style a chance

If Cooney is not the answer bring up Casey and give him a shot....can’t watch Murray walking up to ruck, looking around for 10 second and then passing

Eh? CJ was the only decent forward but Henderson was better than most. Took his lineouts, stole another cleanly, made his tackles well, and was one of the only forwards that weren't being minced in contact.

Shefwedfan · 01-02-2020 8:53pm

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Eh? CJ was the only decent forward but Henderson was better than most. Took his lineouts, stole another cleanly, made his tackles well, and was one of the only forwards that weren't being minced in contact.

He didn’t stand out for me and I though we done better after Toner game on....VDF and POM both had solid games, a couple of great turn overs by VDF

Paul Smeenus · 01-02-2020 8:56pm

That was very poor.

Lots of guys that typically deliver consistently were quite bad.

Minced in the scrum.

Murrày dreadful.

Burkie1203 · 01-02-2020 8:57pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He didn’t stand out for me and I though we done better after Toner game on....VDF and POM both had solid games, a couple of great turn overs by VDF

VDF Stander and Ryan were excellent. Our top 3 tacklers.

Ryan and Stander our best ball carriers

VDF and Stander also had 2 or 3 turnovers each.

This game was won on defence and turn overs

Shefwedfan · 01-02-2020 8:58pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

That was very poor.

Lots of guys that typically deliver consistently were quite bad.

Minced in the scrum.

Murrày dreadful.

I don’t think we did get minced, Healy kept saying something to ref and they seemed to question the decision

The whole team of officials today had an off day, let see how scrum holds up next week

Locke_Lamora · 01-02-2020 8:59pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He didn’t stand out for me and I though we done better after Toner game on....VDF and POM both had solid games, a couple of great turn overs by VDF

POM was solid but VDF didn't look right to me. He was falling off tackles and just wasn't his usual self. 'Standing out' is not a prerequisite for starting - simply being better than the other options is. And you certainly can't say Toner was likely to stand out in a game like that, he was losing his collisions when he came on.

Shefwedfan · 01-02-2020 9:00pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

VDF Stander and Ryan were excellent. Our top 3 tacklers.

Ryan and Stander our best ball carriers

VDF and Stander also had 2 or 3 turnovers each.

This game was won on defence and turn overs

I was replying to post about Henderson, I didn’t think he had a great game, he should be standing out in these types of games but he doesn’t.....maybe dropped for a game as a kick up ass?

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