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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,617 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I never said that.

    What other way are we supposed to interpret "12 who tackles illegally" in a post about our weaknesses vs Scotland?? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,707 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    12 who tackles illegally

    If we're only going to use one example to base an entire opinion on then....

    Sexton can't kick
    Murray can't pass
    Cooney can't kick or pass
    Furlong can't scrummage
    Stander can't carry
    VDF can't tackle
    Larmour can't beat a defender

    etc.

    etc.

    etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,612 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I don't underestimate any side, but we should win. Scotland can be brilliant and are tough on their day, but it's rare. I expect us to win by 10.
    It's a good match for Farrell to get his feet wet. Ireland are tough at home and obviously want to rebound from the rwc. It will be interesting to watch our tactics. I wonder how different things will be implemented from the start. I think that we're going to see a similar play list from the last year, but with a little more freedom for the players to play rugby.
    I worry about the line out. It's an area that we need to improve. Herring will be under the microscope and he needs to put in a good performance.
    Can't wait!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    If we're only going to use one example to base an entire opinion on then....

    Sexton can't kick
    Murray can't pass
    Cooney can't kick or pass
    Furlong can't scrummage
    Stander can't carry
    VDF can't tackle
    Larmour can't beat a defender

    etc.

    etc.

    etc.


    Sextons place kicking has been steadily worsening alright, and he has been making a habit of missing touch on big kicks as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    I don't underestimate any side, but we should win. Scotland can be brilliant and are tough on their day, but it's rare. I expect us to win by 10.
    It's a good match for Farrell to get his feet wet. Ireland are tough at home and obviously want to rebound from the rwc. It will be interesting to watch our tactics. I wonder how different things will be implemented from the start. I think that we're going to see a similar play list from the last year, but with a little more freedom for the players to play rugby.
    I worry about the line out. It's an area that we need to improve. Herring will be under the microscope and he needs to put in a good performance.
    Can't wait!

    Is it not a risk to just take the shackles off a team that has been playing the percentages for years and years?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Is it not a risk to just take the shackles off a team that has been playing the percentages for years and years?

    Well 3 of the 4 provinces don’t play with shackles on and the other has a new inventive coach supposedly gradually loosening them. They’re all well capable


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Is it not a risk to just take the shackles off a team that has been playing the percentages for years and years?

    Getting out of bed is a risk.

    It is a game of sports, anything can happen, but I imagine not a single pundit outside of Andy Nicol is going to expect Scotland to win. Wales could get two red cards in the opening 5 minutes and lose to Italy, but its not likely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Matt Cooper is absolutely painful. He's just awful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Matt Cooper is absolutely painful. He's just awful.

    Thank you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Matt Cooper is absolutely painful. He's just awful.

    2fm have got a great sports show, well worth a listen.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sextons place kicking has been steadily worsening alright, and he has been making a habit of missing touch on big kicks as well.

    Anything to back this up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Anything to back this up?

    Nothing factual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Anything to back this up?

    His percentages have steadily declined, that stat is easy to
    Find


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    His percentages have steadily declined, that stat is easy to
    Find

    Then it won't be hard for you
    To go ahead and follow through
    Produce this stat that you claim
    Will show his percentages wain


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    His percentages have steadily declined, that stat is easy to
    Find
    So go find it.


    We'll wait.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    So go find it.


    We'll wait.

    I wouldn’t hold your breath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    stephen_n wrote: »
    I wouldn’t hold your breath
    I won't. I've been around this barbecue before.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,830 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I'm starting to realise who this rereg is now......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Sextons kicking is becoming an issue quiet frankly, his Champions cup record has declined. His accuracy is over 30% down this season on last, and that was down on the previous.

    Remember his terrible missed kicks versus the all blacks in japan?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Sextons kicking is becoming an issue quiet frankly, his Champions cup record has declined. His accuracy is over 30% down this season on last, and that was down on the previous.

    He's 72% in the Champion's Cup this season, from 3 games - 3/4, 3/4 and 2/3.

    Last season's Champion's Cup (according to the Wiki page) he didn't miss a kick? 5/5, 5/5, 3/3, 5/5, 5/5, 2/2 (unless there's some mistake here).

    So rephrasing this - he has missed three kicks this season. Three. And it has caused his accuracy to drop (actually by 28%, but you're close).

    And how 100% can then be down on the previous season must be a mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    must be a mistake.

    Surely not... when such statistics are so easy to find.

    Please please please, people, just use the list. It's easier and leads to less quoting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Surely not... when such statistics are so easy to find.

    Please please please, people, just use the list. It's easier and leads to less quoting.

    The list?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Last option when you click on a person's username.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Sextons kicking is becoming an issue quiet frankly, his Champions cup record has declined. His accuracy is over 30% down this season on last, and that was down on the previous.

    Remember his terrible missed kicks versus the all blacks in japan?

    So your issue is a single kick? Apart from that you have zero proof his kicking is on the decline?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Blustery

    Sexton kicks penalty’s to the corner
    Aris agus aris

    His vice-captains? just look on and nod.


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thepogues


    Ireland need to stick it in the corners. Scottish lineout is cat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭steves2


    What did stander do wrong for that? He wasn't the tackler


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭steves2


    thepogues wrote: »
    Ireland need to stick it in the corners. Scottish lineout is cat.

    Exactly what cooney does


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thepogues


    Cooney looks in his element.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    thepogues wrote: »
    Clooney looks in his element.

    He was great in Catch 22 in fairness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    That wasn't great

    First half was iffy. Think we showed some invention in attack at times. Ringrose and Aki combined well to out each other through gaps. But the forwards we're static when running into the ball and defence wasn't off the line quick enough

    We fixed our line speed in the second half and looked better defensively, but the Ringrose injury robbed us of our creativity. Very worried about his injury considering the Ireland camo wouldn't say what it was. Bit impressed with out set piece or physicality against Scotland. We've been poor in contact.

    Furlong, Doris, Kilcoyne and Ringrose off injured is a disaster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thepogues


    Jasus that last scrum summed it up, we'll take the win and get the hell outta dodge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Have to say, Scotland completely took us by surprise. The pace they moved the ball with, and held on to possession when doing it was superb. They looked organised, and they were dogged in defence. Made things a real battle.

    Our scrum was poor, our offensive maul was poor, we started well moving it through the hands but started to revert to one out carries and our back three didn't compete at all under the box kicks, which were decent kicks regardless of what people will say.

    Backrow was phenomenal, CJ and Josh were on top form, and POM should have silenced some critics with some of the turnovers that saved our arse.

    Feel sorry for Doris, hope he's alright. Same goes for Killer, wasn't great witnessing it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thepogues


    Andy didn't seem to be mic'd up. Interesting contrast to Joe!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Next week looking very difficult now, in fact we'll do well to win more than one more game given the performance level today and the injuries sustained.

    Worrying to see Healy struggle badly against a fairly average prop like Fagerson, but with Kilcoyne out now he will need to be kept on. I'd probably look at a different option than POM in the back row, again Doris' injury is a problem if it rules him out next week.

    And it almost goes without saying that Cooney should be starting but it also goes without saying that he won't be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    If we play like that against Wales, England or France we will be well
    Beaten.

    Fair play to Finn Russell and Hogg, they did us huge favours today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Very different to Schmidt's Ireland. We attacked more from deep, allowed our centres do more than truck it up with Aki and Ringrose linking well together. We also showed some invention in the opposition 22. Really liked that strike play for Sexton's try. In the second half our defence was excellent once we sorted the line speed.

    But the same failings from 2019 are still there. The front five looks underpowered and now the set piece is creaking too. In 2018, we won everything due to a dominant set piece, pack and half backs who controlled the game. We've none of that now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Scotland pack is weak IMO. Ireland to dominate up front with more genuine ball carriers meaning teams can no longer target Stander.

    Ireland by 20
    Doris to be MOTM.
    Cooney to come on around the 55-60 mark and score
    Adam Hastings to have nightmares all next week about a red scrum cap

    You were close.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Not a chance.
    Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
    27 v 3 in WC
    13 v 22 in 6N

    30+ v 7? 10 maybe

    Cleaners closed Saturdays apparently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    What is the point of your posts other than being needlessly antagonistic?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    You were close.
    Cleaners closed Saturdays apparently.

    Are you going to go back over the whole thread quoting people?

    If you have spare time get us some of those stats on Sextons poor kicking please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Clegg wrote: »
    Very different to Schmidt's Ireland. We attacked more from deep, allowed our centres do more than truck it up with Aki and Ringrose linking well together. We also showed some invention in the opposition 22. Really liked that strike play for Sexton's try. In the second half our defence was excellent once we sorted the line speed.

    But the same failings from 2019 are still there. The front five looks underpowered and now the set piece is creaking too. In 2018, we won everything due to a dominant set piece, pack and half backs who controlled the game. We've none of that now.

    The differences where clear but they need to work on it, the Conway/Larmour break out which ended up with a line out to Scotland was poor

    Then again they had 5 training session together.

    I am not sure about Henderson, he didn’t show up today. Maybe Toner needs to start.

    The POm, VDF, Stander back row happened by mistake, done ok but it’s not the future. Need to get Deegan/Doris on

    The elephant in room is Murray. I said it last season and It’s the same this year, the only time in first half we got quick ruck ball was when Murray was gone and Herring(I think) took over. Cooney needs a shot to give the new style a chance

    If Cooney is not the answer bring up Casey and give him a shot....can’t watch Murray walking up to ruck, looking around for 10 second and then passing


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The differences where clear but they need to work on it, the Conway/Larmour break out which ended up with a line out to Scotland was poor

    Then again they had 5 training session together.

    I am not sure about Henderson, he didn’t show up today. Maybe Toner needs to start.

    The POm, VDF, Stander back row happened by mistake, done ok but it’s not the future. Need to get Deegan/Doris on

    The elephant in room is Murray. I said it last season and It’s the same this year, the only time in first half we got quick ruck ball was when Murray was gone and Herring(I think) took over. Cooney needs a shot to give the new style a chance

    If Cooney is not the answer bring up Casey and give him a shot....can’t watch Murray walking up to ruck, looking around for 10 second and then passing

    Eh? CJ was the only decent forward but Henderson was better than most. Took his lineouts, stole another cleanly, made his tackles well, and was one of the only forwards that weren't being minced in contact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Eh? CJ was the only decent forward but Henderson was better than most. Took his lineouts, stole another cleanly, made his tackles well, and was one of the only forwards that weren't being minced in contact.

    He didn’t stand out for me and I though we done better after Toner game on....VDF and POM both had solid games, a couple of great turn overs by VDF


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    That was very poor.

    Lots of guys that typically deliver consistently were quite bad.

    Minced in the scrum.

    Murrày dreadful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    He didn’t stand out for me and I though we done better after Toner game on....VDF and POM both had solid games, a couple of great turn overs by VDF

    VDF Stander and Ryan were excellent. Our top 3 tacklers.

    Ryan and Stander our best ball carriers

    VDF and Stander also had 2 or 3 turnovers each.


    This game was won on defence and turn overs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    That was very poor.

    Lots of guys that typically deliver consistently were quite bad.

    Minced in the scrum.

    Murrày dreadful.
    I don’t think we did get minced, Healy kept saying something to ref and they seemed to question the decision

    The whole team of officials today had an off day, let see how scrum holds up next week


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    He didn’t stand out for me and I though we done better after Toner game on....VDF and POM both had solid games, a couple of great turn overs by VDF
    POM was solid but VDF didn't look right to me. He was falling off tackles and just wasn't his usual self. 'Standing out' is not a prerequisite for starting - simply being better than the other options is. And you certainly can't say Toner was likely to stand out in a game like that, he was losing his collisions when he came on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    VDF Stander and Ryan were excellent. Our top 3 tacklers.

    Ryan and Stander our best ball carriers

    VDF and Stander also had 2 or 3 turnovers each.


    This game was won on defence and turn overs

    I was replying to post about Henderson, I didn’t think he had a great game, he should be standing out in these types of games but he doesn’t.....maybe dropped for a game as a kick up ass?


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