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mariaalice · 15-05-2019 8:43am

Only caught the intro as wanted to watch years and years on BBC, superbe and really recommend it. What struck is prime time is trying to make something that is not an issue with a lot of people into an issue, which is not good and something to be wary of.

To praphase Mirimian..imigritation has not really be an issue in irish politics why is this? they then proceded to try and fram it as an issue.

Kivaro · 15-05-2019 9:11am

mariaalice wrote: »

Only caught the intro as wanted to watch years and years on BBC, superbe and really recommend it. What struck is prime time is trying to make something that is not an issue with a lot of people into an issue, which is not good and something to be wary of.

To praphase Mirimian..imigritation has not really be an issue in irish politics why is this? they then proceded to try and fram it as an issue.

I do not believe legitimate immigration has been an issue for Ireland; it has brought about many positive changes. What should be discussed is the wave of non-EU economic migration under the guise of refugees and asylum seekers, and the illegal entry of many more using false documentation, sham marriages, and those who failed to get asylum in Britain and are just crossing over the border into Ireland due to Brexit fears etc.

This is a taboo subject in Irish politics. It is only now that they are having balanced discussions on non-EU migration in other European countries, and this stems from the flood of migrants into places like Italy, Greece, and now Spain. Ireland is about 2 to 3 years behind in that discussion.

Beta Ray Bill · 15-05-2019 9:11am

Bobblehats wrote: »

“Irish people are in the minority. And we would see that as a positive”

When people feel the freedom to go on national television and casually trot out self depracating crap like that like that you just know we’ve lost the run of ourselves. Fist trumps mouth forget politics; it’s all bollox we should have taken action a long time ago.

Yeah but.....
I like the idea of immigrants coming here and adapting to the Irish way of life.
The 2nd Gen Asian Lad running the Running the Restaurant is as Irish as me.
North Dublin Accent and all.

Immigration is fine if we are bringing in people that:
1: Aren't having loads of kids
2: Working
3: Not criminals
4: Integrate well into Irish culture (Mind Irish culture has seen huge changes over the last 20 years)

I think in general Asians, Europeans and North Americans adapt very well,
There are challenges/culture clashes with people from South America, Africa, the Middle East.
But I think that's starting to change too.

Wibbs · 15-05-2019 9:31am

Bobblehats wrote: »

“Irish people are in the minority. And we would see that as a positive”

I had a bit of a what the hell moment hearing that. How in christ's name is that a positive?? The reverse of course is saying a majority of Irish people in their own bloody country is somehow a negative. G'way to hell you muppet. He goes on to suggest we watch out for problems that may arise, yet seems completely in denial that they almost certainly will arise. He's describing the ghettoisation that always happens when immigration reaches a certain point, but this is a positive? Has this guy ever read a history book? The Professor of politics guy has and pointed out the issues that are likely to arise and is at least acknowledging it. The doctor chap sees the issues in Longford and he's a immigrant himself of many decades.

As an aside the phrase "the economy is booming" struck me. Talk about having collective amnesia. Difference being when this one wallops again, as it must, we'll have the extra social problems we didn't have with every previous one.

mariaalice wrote: »

What struck is prime time is trying to make something that is not an issue with a lot of people into an issue, which is not good and something to be wary of.

To praphase Mirimian..imigritation has not really be an issue in irish politics why is this? they then proceded to try and fram it as an issue.

It's not an issue in Irish politics because 1) it's early days yet and 2) it's been ignored almost entirely as an issue in mainstream Irish politics, leaving the field to cranks. Problem is that in every single country in Europe that has run this multicultural social experiment there are problems and worse they are getting. There are decades of other culture's experiences with this nonsense. It's not as if we're walking into this blind and yet to in some, if not most of our media and political class's attempt to be the Right On nation in the EU that's precisely what we've done. The very RTE piece we're talking about opened with the rise of anti immigration sentiment across Europe pretty much everywhere this social experiment has been run.

mariaalice · 15-05-2019 9:46am

Wibbs wrote: »

I had a bit of a what the hell moment hearing that. How in christ's name is that a positive?? The reverse of course is saying a majority of Irish people in their own bloody country is somehow a negative. G'way to hell you muppet. He goes on to suggest we watch out for problems that may arise, yet seems completely in denial that they almost certainly will arise. He's describing the ghettoisation that always happens when immigration reaches a certain point, but this is a positive? Has this guy ever read a history book? The Professor of politics guy has and pointed out the issues that are likely to arise and is at least acknowledging it. The doctor chap sees the issues in Longford and he's a immigrant himself of many decades.

As an aside the phrase "the economy is booming" struck me. Talk about having collective amnesia. Difference being when this one wallops again, as it must, we'll have the extra social problems we didn't have with every previous one.

It's not an issue in Irish politics because 1) it's early days yet and 2) it's been ignored almost entirely as an issue in mainstream Irish politics, leaving the field to cranks. Problem is that in every single country in Europe that has run this multicultural social experiment there are problems and worse they are getting. There are decades of other culture's experiences with this nonsense. It's not as if we're walking into this blind and yet to in some, if not most of our media and political class's attempt to be the Right On nation in the EU that's precisely what we've done. The very RTE piece we're talking about opened with the rise of anti immigration sentiment across Europe pretty much everywhere this social experiment has been run.

Peopel will complain if it is affecting themselves look at the housing crices or the rise of SF, so if it was a genuine issue affecting people in a tangible way as opposed to they dont want anyone coming here ect, it would be an issue with the main parties and its not ( at the moment maybe) so yeah I would be warey of the mainstream media trying to shape the newes.

To sum up its not an issue for the main parties becasue it is not affecting a huge amount of people not that its a taboo subject.

Diceicle · 15-05-2019 9:46am

Only got to watch half of the immigration piece last night so will have to catch the second half tonight.
In regards to immigration generally - pace, volume, and quality are key factors in a successful immigration policy and social cohesion.

Eric Kaufmann has many videos on youtube where he talks about his books on same. It makes sense.

Two things that stood out to me last night:-

Parnell Street is only 7% White-Irish - along with swathes of Dublin being majority non-white Irish (this would include other non-Irish white groups though I guess - Poles etc) - but I do wonder if there is an element of white-flight here? Maybe not.

Deportations - Asylum applicants, who have actually gone through our appeal-heavy system and been given a deportation order - the State is only actioning somewhere less than 20% of those. My theory here is that that 20% are those who are picked up for minor crimes and are found to be in need of deportation or those who give up the chase and 'turn themselves in' - we don't seem to be actively looking to enforce these orders is my point.

RTE were using the figure of 12% non-Irish as a percentage of the population, someone else was using 18%. I'd be curious as to what makes up those figures. Do illegals feature? What about Asylum Seekers? I would guess its simply a figure on those granted citizenship.

If we take RTEs figure of 12% of the population are non-national (that the framing that was used?) and 25% of those on the Fingal housing list are non-national. What does that tell us? We are importing a low-skill cohort of people whose skillset does not enable them to earn enough to survive without government support? That doesn't seem like a sensible policy. Logically I would presume other areas / councils in Ireland would not have as high a number as that. But for our immigrants in Fingal to be twice as likely as the native population to be on the housing list strikes me as a recipe for disaster - in terms of abuse of the system and the perceptions of the native population and how that feeds into the rise of nativist parties across Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQaD_RaZ4I

Yurt2 · 15-05-2019 10:09am

I suspect, and I don't have any data to back this up, that the numbers are quite a bit in excess of the CSO reported figures.

I was in a restaurant not long ago, and sitting at the table opposite me was a former TD. He was dining with (from what I got from the chatter) a senior civil servant or party apparatchik.

Being the nosy parker I am (and as I was eating alone), I couldn't resist cocking me ear to what they were saying. The TD made an observation about immigration that he reckoned the immigration figures we hear are bogus and there are far more overstayers and undocumented (to use tthat nifty neologism) in the country than we want to admit.

From this person's utterances in the media and in Leinster House, I found it eye-opening he would think such a thing in private.

For the record, I don't think immigration is either a universal good, nor a universally bad thing. But it has to be managed honestly with an open conversation.

This TD obviously did his calculations and reckoned there was more political capital in happy-clappy open border immigration policies.

(I won't be naming names before anyone asks. Don't think it's fair as I was eavesdropping)

Hector Savage · 15-05-2019 10:14am

Blueshoe wrote: »

Just about the figures coming in and a map of Dublin where Irish are now the minority. Surprised me how many

And the usual asking the public. Posh accent dubs said bring them in. Auld lads with Northside accents said send them back

Posh Dubs say bring them in because they will never have to live alongside them.

mariaalice · 15-05-2019 10:15am

Yurt! wrote: »

I suspect, and I don't have any data to back this up, that the numbers are quite a bit in excess of the CSO reported figures.

I was in a restaurant not long ago, and sitting on the table opposite me was a former TD. He was dining with (from what I got from the chatter) a senior civil servant or party apparatchik.

Being the nosy parker I am (and as I was eating alone), I couldn't resist cocking me ear to what they were saying. The TD made an observation about immigration that he reckoned the immigration figures we hear are bogus and there are far more overstayers and undocumented (to use tthat nifty neologism) in the country than we want to admit.

From this person's utterances in the media and in Leinster House, I found it eye-opening he would think such a thing in private.

For the record, I don't think immigration is either a universal good, nor a universally bad thing. But it has to be managed honestly with an open conversation.

This TD obviously did his calculations and reckoned there was more political capital in happy-clappy open border immigration policies.

(I won't be naming names before anyone asks. Don't think it's fair as I was eavesdropping)

All political parties have to court populism to a certing extent, so if it is not getting traction on the doors so to speak it is not an issue for the majority, nobody seem to be getting that.

I am not for wholesale immigration by the way.

sbsquarepants · 15-05-2019 10:18am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Nigeria is in the EU??????

They're lobbying to join, my friend the Prince told me. I'm helping him raise funds for the campaign.

suicide_circus · 15-05-2019 10:29am

the only important question is;

are we going to repeat the mistakes made in other western EU countries in relation to immigration? are we going to allow parallel societies to develop? ghettoisation? lack of integration?

Zorya · 15-05-2019 10:32am

mynamejeff wrote: »

it came on when i turned the tv on and the first thing i saw was the horrible populist liberal fcuktard brid smith so i immediately turned it off again

i dont need that sort of stupid in my life

Had to google brid smith. I miss out on all the fun.

Kivaro · 15-05-2019 10:54am

Yurt! wrote: »

I suspect, and I don't have any data to back this up, that the numbers are quite a bit in excess of the CSO reported figures.

I would be inclined to think that inward migration from non-EU countries are far more in excess than the numbers provided by the CSO. These are numbers impossible to obtain obviously, but looking at nearby towns and cities, the dramatic population change in the last couple of year can be easily seen. This is a taboo subject, so no sitting politician would risk popping their head over the parapet to ask for a discussion about it.

Is it causing issues?
Most definitely it is.
In crowded GP offices, in overstretched hospitals where we already have people suffering the indignity of trolly-care, in the availability of affordable homes for people who are already living here. And if you look at homelessness (and I use that word loosely), the Dublin Region Homeless Executive says 21% of the new families presenting as homeless last year were non-EU citizens.
You could also talk about the impact on school places, cost to the exchequer on welfare provisions etc. etc.

So definitely, non-EU migration is causing issues.
And it is a subject that should be discussed openly.

mariaalice · 15-05-2019 10:57am

Kivaro wrote: »

I would be inclined to think that inward migration from non-EU countries are far more in excess than the numbers provided by the CSO. These are numbers impossible to obtain obviously, but looking at nearby towns and cities, the dramatic population change in the last couple of year can be easily seen. This is a taboo subject, so no sitting politician would risk popping their head over the parapet to ask for a discussion about it.

Is it causing issues?
Most definitely it is.
In crowded GP offices, in overstretched hospitals where we already have people suffering the indignity of trolly-care, in the availability of affordable homes for people who are already living here. And if you look at homelessness (and I use that word loosely), the Dublin Region Homeless Executive says 21% of the new families presenting as homeless last year were non-EU citizens.
You could also talk about the impact on school places, cost to the exchequer on welfare provisions etc. etc.

So definitely, non-EU migration is causing issues.
And it is a subject that should be discussed openly.

Are any of them working and paying taxes?

15-05-2019 11:00am

I doubt anybody has a clue how many people are in the country illegally, its bound to be far higher than reported.

I shared with quite a few foreigners and none ever filled in the census and they were here legally. :pac:

Yurt2 · 15-05-2019 11:01am

mariaalice wrote: »

Are any of them working and paying taxes?

You would think ones that were issued with PPSN numbers while students in English language centres or whatever are likely to yes. There will be many who work in the black economy off the books though.

15-05-2019 11:14am

Jayyysussss the Longford GP.

"Longford is oversaturated"

"Any immigrant coming to this country should know english and they have to have some education"

I find his lack of "wokeness" disturbing.

Was this show a bit of a pushback from "official ireland" because the numbers of asylum seekers coming in are getting larger and they dont know where to put them. 26% increase last year.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/number-of-new-asylum-seekers-up-26-911311.html

If we only deported 160 people last year it must be near impossible to get deported.

topper75 · 15-05-2019 11:17am

Anyone else uncomfortable about the skin colour reference?

"white Irish" - what a stupid label.

I'm Irish and I'm not defined by my skin colour, though it happens to be white, any more than I am defined by what cereal I eat for breakfast.

This seems like a daft attempt to ape other parts of the English speaking world, places that were saturated with racism and skin colour obsession.

All the same, I'm glad the whole thing is finally being discussed openly on the national broadcaster. I echo Wibbs' warning about the next crash and how we would cope welfare-wise.

Our politicians need to start explaining their plans to us, and soon.

Outlaw Pete · 15-05-2019 11:18am

Just watched it there (player detects AdBlock Plus but not uBlock thankfully) and as said above, fair amount of nonsense on it, but at least they (RTE) are at least showing that they are now willing to air views which don't see the level of influx as all positive for Ireland and that's something.

Half expected them to have someone like that Grand Tourino chap on or Justin Barrett, so they could link those who feel the level of immigration has been too much with the extreme right wing, something RTE has done in the past.

Not that I feel they shouldn't be given airtime, but just that they shouldn't be only ones given airtime to represent the opposition on the issue as it just suggests that those who would like to see the numbers coming in slowing are a small number on the extremes, when that's not the case at all, the view is much more mainstream than that.

weldoninhio · 15-05-2019 11:25am

Kivaro wrote: »

I would be inclined to think that inward migration from non-EU countries are far more in excess than the numbers provided by the CSO. These are numbers impossible to obtain obviously, but looking at nearby towns and cities, the dramatic population change in the last couple of year can be easily seen. This is a taboo subject, so no sitting politician would risk popping their head over the parapet to ask for a discussion about it.

Is it causing issues?
Most definitely it is.
In crowded GP offices, in overstretched hospitals where we already have people suffering the indignity of trolly-care, in the availability of affordable homes for people who are already living here. And if you look at homelessness (and I use that word loosely), the Dublin Region Homeless Executive says 21% of the new families presenting as homeless last year were non-EU citizens.
You could also talk about the impact on school places, cost to the exchequer on welfare provisions etc. etc.

So definitely, non-EU migration is causing issues.
And it is a subject that should be discussed openly.

One thing I don't understand, if someone from the EU comes here and can't support themselves after 3 months they can be sent back to their home country. Why can't we do this with non-EU people? If someone is non-EU, they should 100% not be receiving state housing if they cannot afford to be here.

Diceicle · 15-05-2019 11:31am

suicide_circus wrote: »

the only important question is;

are we going to repeat the mistakes made in other western EU countries in relation to immigration? are we going to allow parallel societies to develop? ghettoisation? lack of integration?

Yes. Yes we are.
We don't have a political party with the stones to grasp that nettle.

Yurt2 · 15-05-2019 11:32am

weldoninhio wrote: »

One thing I don't understand, if someone from the EU comes here and can't support themselves after 3 months they can be sent back to their home country. Why can't we do this with non-EU people? If someone is non-EU, they should 100% not be receiving state housing if they cannot afford to be here.

I doubt that power has ever been used by the Irish gov. Pre-Brexit the UK started doing just that, and they upset a lot of European partners, mostly the likes of Poland / Romania / Hungary.

baldbear · 15-05-2019 11:33am

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Jayyysussss the Longford GP.

"Longford is oversaturated"

"Any immigrant coming to this country should know english and they have to have some education"

I find his lack of "wokeness" disturbing.

Was this show a bit of a pushback from "official ireland" because the numbers of asylum seekers coming in are getting larger and they dont know where to put them. 26% increase last year.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/number-of-new-asylum-seekers-up-26-911311.html

If we only deported 160 people last year it must be near impossible to get deported.

Longford is a dumping ground. There was/is a direct provision centre there, The Richmond court, owned by a local politician a few years back. He was making good money off the taxpayer. It was depressing seeing these guys tramping the streets with nothing to do all day.

I would like to see the figures on rejected applications from direct provision centres? 2 or more they should be ejected ASAP & not allowed to remain in the country for years appealing the decision.

Diceicle · 15-05-2019 11:34am

Kivaro wrote: »

And if you look at homelessness (and I use that word loosely), the Dublin Region Homeless Executive says 21% of the new families presenting as homeless last year were non-EU citizens.
You could also talk about the impact on school places, cost to the exchequer on welfare provisions etc. etc.

FG/FF/SF/SD can't, won't and in SF and SD case, wouldn't kick out failed asylum seekers - what chance would we have of those parties proposing that Non-EU nationals who aren't self-sufficient here return home?

weldoninhio · 15-05-2019 11:37am

Yurt! wrote: »

I doubt that power has ever been used by the Irish gov. Pre-Brexit the UK started doing just that, and they upset a lot of European partners, mostly the likes of Poland / Romania / Hungary.

I think Germany use it quite a lot and have for a long time. The thing is that if it was used here, we'd have SF and all the alphabet soup parties going tonto. Everything has to be a drama in Ireland. We seem very immature as a nation.

Diceicle · 15-05-2019 11:39am

baldbear wrote: »

I would like to see the figures on rejected applications from direct provision centres? 2 or more they should be ejected ASAP & not allowed to remain in the country for years appealing the decision.

Not sure if this answers your question but the last 'rejection' figure I have seen in relation to Asylum applications was ~92 or 94%.

This would be going back as far as Michael McDowells time.

EDIT: Our rejection rate seems to be sitting around 70% for 2018 - here

Humongous · 15-05-2019 12:13pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjXJBJz-IRM

“Irish people are in the minority. And we would see that as a positive”

When people feel the freedom to go on national television and casually trot out self depracating crap like that like that you just know we’ve lost the run of ourselves. Fist trumps mouth forget politics; it’s all bollox we should have taken action a long time ago.

2018, Number of migrants coming from the EU: 31,000
From outside the EU: 30,900

Asylum seekers arrived in Ireland: 3673
Number of deportations: 163

joke country....

topper75 · 15-05-2019 12:20pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

I think Germany use it quite a lot and have for a long time. The thing is that if it was used here, we'd have SF and all the alphabet soup parties going tonto. Everything has to be a drama in Ireland. We seem very immature as a nation.

Screw them. They are not in government. Things like this always make me recall that a certain former chancellor of Germany was made so when his party only had 1/3 of the vote. Must Ireland of 2019 suffer under the tyranny of the minority?

mariaalice · 15-05-2019 12:21pm

Humongous wrote: »

2018, Number of migrants coming from the EU: 31,000
From outside the EU: 30,900

Asylum seekers arrived in Ireland: 3673
Number of deportations: 163

joke country....

There are 3,673 Asylum seeker in Ireland The population of Ireland is 4.8 million and you think its a massive issue?

Humongous · 15-05-2019 12:24pm

mariaalice wrote: »

There are 3,673 Asylum seeker in Ireland The population of Ireland is 4.8 million and you think its a massive issue?

it is when 92% of them are not genuine asylum seekers, they are con artists

Diceicle · 15-05-2019 12:29pm

mariaalice wrote: »

There are 3,673 Asylum seeker in Ireland The population of Ireland is 4.8 million and you think its a massive issue?

Its a big enough issue actually. How many millions are we spending on direct provision again?
How much do we spend processing applications both bogus and non?
Well in 2002 we spent €340,000,000.

the Minister drew attention to the increased burden on the Exchequer of the cost of processing such unfounded applications and providing support services to claimants which was in the region of €340 million in 2002.

Source

mariaalice · 15-05-2019 12:30pm

Humongous wrote: »

it is when 92% of them are not genuine asylum seekers, they are con artists

That is not my point and it well may be true however its a tiny presentage of our population yet its being present as a massive issue and the language of those who believed its a massive is always same the politicians are clowns and the contry is a joke.

sabat · 15-05-2019 12:31pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I doubt anybody has a clue how many people are in the country illegally, its bound to be far higher than reported.

I shared with quite a few foreigners and none ever filled in the census and they were here legally. :pac:

The total number of mobile phone numbers in use would offer an indication of the true population here. I know a lot of people have an additional work/extra-marital affair number etc but that segment would be filtered by usage patterns, business packages offered by the telecom companies, and vat returns. I read a few years ago that data prepared by UK supermarkets and utility companies indicated that there was about 6 million more people living there than the official figure.

saintsaltynuts · 15-05-2019 12:36pm

Humongous wrote: »

2018, Number of migrants coming from the EU: 31,000
From outside the EU: 30,900

Asylum seekers arrived in Ireland: 3673
Number of deportations: 163

joke country....

This country's been f@cked since the boom kid.

weldoninhio · 15-05-2019 12:41pm

Diceicle wrote: »

Its a big enough issue actually. How many millions are we spending on direct provision again?
How much do we spend processing applications both bogus and non?
Well in 2002 we spent €340,000,000.

Source

And in 2002 we only had 956 asylum applications. So we must be paying multiples of that by now.

keano_afc · 15-05-2019 12:44pm

TheDiceMan2020 wrote: »

It was funny when David McCullough asked yerwan ranting about Trump if she protested the visit of Xi Jinping when he came.

"Eh er uhm, I wasn't aware he was here"

Despite it being all over the fcuking media at the time. Christ they even named a cow after him down the country ffs!

That was glorious, she didnt know what to say. Utter welp.

Yurt2 · 15-05-2019 12:46pm

mariaalice wrote: »

There are 3,673 Asylum seeker in Ireland The population of Ireland is 4.8 million and you think its a massive issue?

Family reunification schemes. If an individual gets permission to reside here they are often able to bring over their parents, spouses, children and sometimes siblings. An Irish NGO were recently lobbying the DOJ to allow grandparents as part of family reunification. This is, to my mind, crazy.

Patty Hearst · 15-05-2019 12:49pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Family reunification schemes. If an individual gets permission to reside here they are often able to bring over their parents, spouses, children and sometimes siblings. An Irish NGO were recently lobbying the DOJ to allow grandparents as part of family reunification. This is, to my mind, crazy.

The average number of family members applied for per person is 20.

One person recently applied for 70 family members.

15-05-2019 12:50pm

Patty Hearst wrote: »

The average number of family members applied for per person is 20.

One person recently applied for 70 family members.

Ah here... this has got to be a piss take.... How would they fund this? where would they house them?

Any proof?

fryup · 15-05-2019 12:53pm

Humongous wrote: »

it is when 92% of them are not genuine asylum seekers, they are con artists

and how about the undocumented irish in america??? we want special status for them??

typical irish hypocrisy

mgn · 15-05-2019 1:00pm

fryup wrote: »

and how about the undocumented irish in america??? we want special status for them??

typical irish hypocrisy

The undocumented in America work and pay for their accommodation if the didn't the would starve and be on the street.

Pissartist · 15-05-2019 1:02pm

fryup wrote: »

and how about the undocumented irish in america??? we want special status for them??

typical irish hypocrisy

They should be sent home if undocumented.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-05-2019 1:06pm

fryup wrote: »

and how about the undocumented irish in america??? we want special status for them??

typical irish hypocrisy

I don't want any amnesty shown towards them.

They should be treated the same as any other illegal immigrant.

Patty Hearst · 15-05-2019 1:07pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Ah here... this has got to be a piss take.... How would they fund this? where would they house them?

Any proof?

Don't have time to source it now but it was mentioned a number of times during the private members bill debate at the time.

Quote from David Norris during the debate:

"It is important that we have accurate statements from the Minister. On Second Stage, I queried his statement that the average number of members of family for which applications for reunification were made under the scheme was 20. I do not believe that for one second and an analysis of the figures released by the Department suggests the figure is inaccurate. One application was for more than 70 family members, which is most extraordinary"

conorhal · 15-05-2019 1:10pm

Diceicle wrote: »

FG/FF/SF/SD can't, won't and in SF and SD case, wouldn't kick out failed asylum seekers - what chance would we have of those parties proposing that Non-EU nationals who aren't self-sufficient here return home?

None. that's the answer.

Instead we're dealing with the problem by offering an amnesty to people that can frustrate the system long enough, in the middle of a housing crisis FFS.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/new-amnesty-scheme-for-5500-immigrants-37419340.html
More than 5,000 undocumented immigrants in Ireland could be eligible to apply for permission to remain in the State under a new scheme to be announced today.
Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan will announce details of the scheme to allow people from countries outside the European Economic Area (EEA) who have no valid visa to be allowed to stay.
The scheme will be open for three months, from today until January 20, 2019.

What they're not telling you is that this 'new initiative' just formalises what has actually been unofficial policy for years. Successive ministers have been quietly granting massive numbers of leave to remain orders to clear out asylum centers and to nobody's surprise, this creates quite a pull factor for asylum frauds.

Bobblehats · 15-05-2019 1:31pm

Kivaro wrote: »

But it's more than self-deprecating though at this stage.
Irish liberals and those who support parties such as Sinn Fein have us going on the path of self-destruction. The ultimate goal of people with this mindset is to make the Irish people a minority in the whole of Ireland. Maybe we will remain the majority in the far western reaches of Connaught.

“Irish people are in the minority. And we would see that as a positive”.
Imagine if anyone said that about a minority group in Ireland who were not Irish. There would be uproar in the Irish media; it would not be acceptable.
But it's fine in this context apparently, because they were only talking about the Irish natives.

Regarding the RTE piece being balanced?
Not a chance. They interviewed a Pakastani who said that Longford is full and has no more room for migrants. This Pakastani was a doctor, so once again RTE are trying to subtly portray the notion that all the non-EU migrants arriving on your shores are doctors, engineers, and scientists and highly qualified. This is not the case.

I would also suggest that Primetime should be daring and bold and interview a different set of Irish people about their views on unlimited migration. For example, interview people leaving their workplaces and factories etc. I understand that the RTE unions would object to their members working at ungodly hours to ask these questions, but they would get a more balanced view on the subject ................ if that was the objective.

Then here is my view. This is what I see this is hardly confined to north of the Liffey I still live in one of the more established suburbs southside and my mother spent a lifetime paying off a mortgage on what was a prestigious enough road for the area but when old Mrs. Mulhall next door passed away the council snapped it up and renovated it housing a couple of our friends. It soon became a large; extended family of east africans spanning three generations and I don’t even think they speak the same language so a simple hello will suffice but does the government not think a sense of resentment can develop out of this type of scenario??

In fact there are so many of foreign appearance up and down the street on a daily basis it is hard to keep tabs I mean it really is like operation transformation. Almost overnight; it seems and then there’s even more of their kids wearing the same school uniform I used to wear even my partner comments on it being of eastern appearance herself and these are just the obvious cases who’s to assume that white is even irish anymore?! And all this in a short enough space of time so what’s the plan 2040 is it... when 2020 was a distant enough vision but I will be retreating to the wicklow hills I reckon because when a house doesn’t feel like home anymore then it is probably time to jump ship.

branie2 · 15-05-2019 1:32pm

I saw bits of it.

weldoninhio · 15-05-2019 1:37pm

fryup wrote: »

and how about the undocumented irish in america??? we want special status for them??

typical irish hypocrisy

Who’s we?? I think any illegals in Ireland should be deported ASAP.

Patty Hearst · 15-05-2019 1:42pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

Then here is my view. This is what I see this is hardly confined to north of the Liffey I still live in one of the more established suburbs southside and my mother spent a lifetime paying off a mortgage on what was a prestigious enough road for the area but when old Mrs. Mulhall next door passed away the council snapped it up and renovated it housing a couple of our friends. It soon became a large; extended family of east africans spanning three generations and I don’t even think they speak the same language so a simple hello will suffice but does the government not think a sense of resentment can develop out of this type of scenario??

In fact there are so many of foreign appearance up and down the street on a daily basis it is hard to keep tabs I mean it really is like operation transformation. Almost overnight; it seems and then there’s even more of their kids wearing the same school uniform I used to wear even my partner comments on it being of eastern appearance herself and these are just the obvious cases who’s to assume that white is even irish anymore?! And all this in a short enough space of time so what’s the plan 2040 is it... when 2020 was a distant enough vision but I will be retreating to the wicklow hills I reckon because when a house doesn’t feel like home anymore then it is probably time to jump ship.

This is happening in every town in Ireland right now. Just seeing schools kids in their uniforms around town where I live shows a dramatic increase of Non Eu Nationals in the last 2 years.

Simon Coveny said that 'every town in Ireland will be diverse' so there will nowhere to escape. emigration will be the only choice.

We are heading for major, major trouble in this country. People need to get over their fears and start talking about it.

The path Ireland is on is beyond reckless and in fact is the path least likely to succeed and the path almost guaranteed to lead to social disintegration.

fryup · 15-05-2019 1:49pm

Patty Hearst wrote: »

This is happening in every town in Ireland right now. Just seeing schools kids in their uniforms around town where I live shows a dramatic increase of Non Eu Nationals in the last 2 years.

i think its great to see people from other races living here, its about time irish discovered there more than just white people living in this world (and other religions as well)

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