Why can't we leave the clocks on summertime year round?

Optimalprimerib · 27-10-2018 7:17am

I enjoy the time change and listening to the "only mom's would understand" types coming on crab faced because their little precious preciouses are all confused and dont understand that they need to stay in bed the extra hour.

Water John · 27-10-2018 1:33pm

The Dunsink Time was dropped in 1916 but Ulysses is set in 1904.

ozmo · 28-11-2018 4:04pm

Soo. - Have your say officially...

Irish Consultation is ending end this month:

Im voting for Summertime always no matter what UK do - and hope they follow suit and ditch it also.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Consultation_on_Seasonal_Clock_Changes

Have your say - Consultation on Seasonal Clock Changes closes on 30th November 2018

The Link on that page to the actual survey is ->
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Consultation_on_Seasonal_Clock_Changes

TheChrisD · 28-11-2018 4:45pm

Anyone advocating for year-round summertime is a madman when you look at that half 9 sunrise in winter 🤦

topper75 · 28-11-2018 5:01pm

TheChrisD wrote: »

Anyone advocating for year-round summertime is a madman when you look at that half 9 sunrise in winter 🤦

Dark when I get up and go to work in depth of winter anyway, makes no odds.

But that might be what you meant by madman. Should opt for dole perhaps or inherit some rolling country estate?

28-11-2018 5:03pm

TheChrisD wrote: »

Anyone advocating for year-round summertime is a madman when you look at that half 9 sunrise in winter &#55358;&#56614;

Sunrise at 4am in the middle of June is useless to most people in this country if we stayed on winter time all year round.

Hurrache · 28-11-2018 5:32pm

TheChrisD wrote: »

Anyone advocating for year-round summertime is a madman when you look at that half 9 sunrise in winter 🤦

Who cares, you'll be in or on the way to work the majority of the time anyway.

Think of all the summer events that may be curtailed because of the darker evenings?

You'd be a madman to shorten the daylight hours.

TheRiverman · 28-11-2018 5:35pm

Hope it's permanent Summertime from next March.It would be lovely to have that extra brightness in the evenings immediately after Christmas.

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-11-2018 5:37pm

Summertime for me too, though either would be good.

Definitely wouldn't worry about it being dark to hear half 9 for a short while, anyone that's going to be up and out will be gone before half 8 as it is anyway.

incentsitive · 28-11-2018 5:40pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Hope it's permanent Summertime from next March.It would be lovely to have that extra brightness in the evenings after immediately after Christmas.

As long as you don't mind it not being bright till well after 9am around the shortest day.

theguzman · 28-11-2018 6:19pm

I hope that we have a different time zone to London and Belfast and that the hard border is reinstated, would make their failed state-let even less tenable and help to force a United Ireland.

Frunchy · 28-11-2018 6:25pm

incentsitive wrote: »

As long as you don't mind it not being bright till well after 9am around the shortest day.

I'd much rather it be bright when I finish work. In the depths of winter, most people are going to work in darkness, regardless of daylight savings.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 28-11-2018 6:28pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Who cares, you'll be in or on the way to work the majority of the time anyway.

Think of all the summer events that may be curtailed because of the darker evenings?

You'd be a madman to shorten the daylight hours.

Sunset around 9pm would mean dusk until 10pm. What kinds of events would be curtailed?

I’ve always found the dark December and January mornings depressing as it is, so wintertime for me. I would hate darkness post 9am. Early darkness in the evening doesn’t bother me half as much.

Outlaw Pete · 28-11-2018 6:35pm

At the Liam Gallagher gig it was almoat still bright when he left the stage... long summer nights ruin outdoor gigs.

Slutmonkey57b · 28-11-2018 7:54pm

I have no idea what that graphic is supposed to tell me, much less what the choices are. "do you want to have to put the clocks back and forward?" is a yes or no question, pick spring or autumn to stop doing it, does anyone care which?

The annoying part is having to do it, not what time the sun officially comes up.

Realtine · 28-11-2018 8:01pm

was in Iceland this time last year and it was still really dark past 9am - was the strangest thing, so hard to get used to it.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 28-11-2018 8:06pm

incentsitive wrote: »

As long as you don't mind it not being bright till well after 9am around the shortest day.

Near enough to ten in early January. But summertime probably better of the two options.

Seve OB · 28-11-2018 8:57pm

Hurrache wrote: »

You'd be a madman to shorten the daylight hours.

I think you'll find its impossible to shorten the amount of daylight hours we get

Hurrache · 28-11-2018 10:26pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Sunset around 9pm would mean dusk until 10pm. What kinds of events would be curtailed?

Obviously any sporting event that currently continue until around 9pm or later in the summer for example.

Seve OB wrote: »

I think you'll find its impossible to shorten the amount of daylight hours we get

You need to think big, Lex Luthor or Mr Burns style.

TheRiverman · 28-11-2018 10:29pm

incentsitive wrote: »

As long as you don't mind it not being bright till well after 9am around the shortest day.

I don't mind it,it's the way mother nature intended it in this part of the world before "daylight saving" was invented.

Flesh Gorden · 28-11-2018 10:36pm

theguzman wrote: »

I hope that we have a different time zone to London and Belfast and that the hard border is reinstated, would make their failed state-let even less tenable and help to force a United Ireland.

We already have.

Irish Standard Time is +1hr compared to Greenwich Mean Time

I voted to keep us on IST all year.

If they do the opposite on the continent and stop going forward an hour in summer, it would align us to Central European Time all year round.

darlett · 28-11-2018 10:43pm

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

I have no idea what that graphic is supposed to tell me, much less what the choices are.

Do you mean the pie chart titled "Poll:Should we leave the clocks on summertime?" or is there another graphic somewhere?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 28-11-2018 10:45pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

I don't mind it,it's the way mother nature intended it in this part of the world before "daylight saving" was invented.

No it isn’t the way nature intended. We didn’t have GMT in this island until WWI which is exactly when daylight saving was first introduced. Ireland should be on average GMT+1/2.

(Which actually works as a compromise).

darlett · 28-11-2018 10:48pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

At the Liam Gallagher gig it was almoat still bright when he left the stage... long summer nights ruin outdoor gigs.

Thats very valid. If it was dark during his gig we might have been spared the video of the pissed man hoisted up the air utterly naked during the show. It might have been written off as a full moon

Fr Tod Umptious · 28-11-2018 11:01pm

The ideal scenario for Ireland is that we have a shorter 'wintertime, say late Nov. to start of Feb.

This would allow for bright mornings and also allow for bright evenings from Feb. onwards

Unfortunately that is not one of the options though.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 28-11-2018 11:23pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The ideal scenario for Ireland is that we have a shorter 'wintertime, say late Nov. to start of Feb.

This would allow for bright mornings and also allow for bright evenings from Feb. onwards

Unfortunately that is not one of the options though.

Totally agree, but not – as you say – one of the options.

8kvscdpglqnyr4 · 28-11-2018 11:32pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The ideal scenario for Ireland is that we have a shorter 'wintertime, say late Nov. to start of Feb.

This would allow for bright mornings and also allow for bright evenings from Feb. onwards

Unfortunately that is not one of the options though.

Totally agree
Why does winter time start approx 7 weeks before the shortest day of the year but summer time doesn't kick in until 14 weeks after the shortest day of the year?
I'd it was symmetric, say 6 weeks before to 6 weeks after I'd be in favour of that

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 29-11-2018 6:25pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Obviously any sporting event that currently continue until around 9pm or later in the summer for example.

Dusk goes on well past sunset. I can’t see many sporting events being effected seeing as it’ll still be quite bright at 10pm in midsummer.

I’m going against popular opinion here but I don’t care for it being dusky until 11pm in midsummer. I don’t think there’s that much you can do with it. Outdoor concerts are better when it goes from dusk into darkness. Sunset at 9pm is perfect, IMO. When it’s night, I like it to look like it.

As for winter, the days are short and there’s no getting away from it. It’s cosier to have the darkness in the evening, IMO, especially over Christmastime. I’m not working but if I was, morning brightness would mean more to me as it corresponds to the body winding up for the day. When work is over, I’d be winding down anyway. Most people finish work at 5pm or 6pm so what good is the later sunset really? The idea of a post-9am sunrise hurts my soul. I loathed the darkness of January mornings when I’d be getting ready for school as a kid and it has stayed with me. And this would be worse again, a full hour later for sunrise.

Seve OB · 29-11-2018 6:49pm

golf
people are forgetting about golf.
we need 24 hour light so that we can play golf whenever we want to
brighter evenings means we can go out and play golf for longer after work

Frunchy · 29-11-2018 6:58pm

I don't care at all if it's dark in the morning when I start working.

I care if it's dark in the evening during my free time.

Spanish Eyes · 29-11-2018 7:06pm

Yes, I have often wondered why, even under the current system we have to wait so long for the clocks to change in March.

Does anyone know why Wintertime as it is now is so long, starts end Oct and ends end March?

Often wondered about that.

But anyway, no choice to question that in the survey.

I opted for Summertime. Why oh why would Wintertime all year be a selection at all, sounds grim!

Spanish Eyes · 29-11-2018 7:09pm

Frunchy wrote: »

I don't care at all if it's dark in the morning when I start working.

I care if it's dark in the evening during my free time.

You will be told that children going to school in the dark will be at risk, whereas the vast majority are ferried to school by car or school bus really. Others are walked to school accompanied. Older children will just get on with it.

And then you will be told that the animals on farms will have jet lag or something. :P

Mornings are safer in the dark than in the evenings when people are tired and stressed after a long day IMO. But anyway.....

Seve OB · 29-11-2018 7:11pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I opted for Summertime. Why oh why would Wintertime all year be a selection at all, sounds grim!

I totally agree.
I really am surprised though with the number of people who seem to like it as an option!

I would go one more step
bring in summer time year round
and then bring the clocks in line with continental europe....... a further hour of brightness in the evenings

prunudo · 29-11-2018 7:30pm

Seve OB wrote: »

I totally agree.
I really am surprised though with the number of people who seem to like it as an option!

I would go one more step
bring in summer time year round
and then bring the clocks in line with continental europe....... a further hour of brightness in the evenings

Sounds good, sure who doesn't like it being dark at 11am in the morning.

prunudo · 29-11-2018 7:46pm

incentsitive wrote: »

As long as you don't mind it not being bright till well after 9am around the shortest day.

Today, a wet overcast morning, it was still dark at 8am. Not pitch black but still dark enough to say it wasnt daylight. That would be 9am with all year summertime, so you'll basically have 2 months of the year (December & January) where it will be dark after 9am.

Frunchy · 29-11-2018 7:51pm

jvan wrote: »

Today, a wet overcast morning, it was still dark at 8am. Not pitch black but still dark enough to say it wasnt daylight. That would be 9am with all year summertime, so you'll basically have 2 months of the year (December & January) where it will be dark after 9am.

So? You'll be at work. Better than it being dark in your free time.

prunudo · 29-11-2018 7:55pm

Frunchy wrote: »

So? You'll be at work. Better than it being dark in your free time.

I work outdoors, all year summertime will have an effect on how I go about my day to day work.
All it will mean is that I have to work later to make the most out of the daylight.

But I'd love to have one of these jobs where you're at home before 6 to make the most of these supposed long evenings.

facehugger99 · 29-11-2018 8:01pm

jvan wrote: »

But I'd love to have one of these jobs where you're at home before 6 to make the most of these supposed long evenings.

Well, tbh, you changing jobs sound a lot simpler than us rearranging the clocks around your working day.

prunudo · 29-11-2018 8:03pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Well, tbh, you changing jobs sound a lot simpler than us rearranging the clocks around your working day.

I'm honoured, didn't realise the changing of the clocks was for my sole benefit.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 29-11-2018 8:54pm

People love to blame this and long summer school holidays on farmers.

Neither has anything to do with farmers.

29-11-2018 10:14pm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

People love to blame this and long summer school holidays on farmers.

Neither has anything to do with farmers.

It had everything to do with farmers, but not since they bought machinery and tractors to do the work instead of taking the kids out of school and working them.

It's probably at least 50 years since that was a genuine reason for the long summer breaks.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-11-2018 12:14am

Frunchy wrote: »

So? You'll be at work. Better than it being dark in your free time.

In winter, no matter what time is eventually chosen, most people will get the square root of fück all useable daylight in the evening once the commute is done. The days are brutally short and there’s no escaping that.

Personally, I find concentration easier in daylight than darkness, which makes sense from a circadian rhythm point of view. The place concentration is most needed is in work. And yes, people work night shifts but they are generally viewed as far from ideal. In my free time, I’m doing more relaxing activities that don’t require half as much concentration. The winding down of the body that happens with darkness suits that.

Frunchy · 30-11-2018 12:34am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

In winter, no matter what time is eventually chosen, most people will get the square root of fück all useable daylight in the evening once the commute is done.

Not everyone spends an hour commuting to Dublin from some some obscure town in Kildare or Meath.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-11-2018 1:09am

Frunchy wrote: »

Not everyone spends an hour commuting to Dublin from some some obscure town in Kildare or Meath.

Who said otherwise? Even with only a half hour or less commute, anyone finishing at 5pm will basically get no useable daylight. And many people work even later again. And I’ve been racking my brain thinking of what activities I do myself that would be enhanced by having a sliver more daylight in the winter evening. I can’t think of one thing. I’ve always actually preferred cycling (my outdoor exercise when I was able to exercise) in the dark. What are all these activities that people will now be able to pursue in winter? And summertime evening concerts that are bright throughout as happens in midsummer seriously lack atmosphere, IMO. I like when darkness creeps in on summer barbeques. The balmy darkness is lovely. I’ve never seen the apparent massive benefits of it still being bright at 11pm. It’s grand, that’s about it. Whereas it being dark after 9am would actually affect me mentally.

One might say “think of others” but is there anyone on this thread who isn’t primarily thinking of how it will effect them personally when pondering this question? We’re all being selfish here.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 30-11-2018 1:41am

Deleted User wrote: »

It had everything to do with farmers, but not since they bought machinery and tractors to do the work instead of taking the kids out of school and working them.

It's probably at least 50 years since that was a genuine reason for the long summer breaks.

Complete myth.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/debunking-myth-summer-vacation

"Kids in rural, agricultural areas were most needed in the spring, when most crops had to be planted, and in the fall, when crops were harvested and sold. Historically, many attended school in the summer when there was comparatively less need for them on the farm.

In the days before air conditioning, schools and entire cities could be sweltering places during the hot summer months. Wealthy and eventually middle-class urbanites also usually made plans to flee the city’s heat, making those months the logical time in cities to suspend school."

Quackster · 30-11-2018 1:54am

Darren Itchy Paycheck wrote: »

Totally agree
Why does winter time start approx 7 weeks before the shortest day of the year but summer time doesn't kick in until 14 weeks after the shortest day of the year?
I'd it was symmetric, say 6 weeks before to 6 weeks after I'd be in favour of that

On the continent, before the EU standardised the start and end of daylight-saving time in 1996, winter time began at the end of September so it was approximately symmetrical.

The best explanation I can come up with the current situation is that it was thought that summer time would be much more useful in October (middle month of autumn) than in March (first month of spring) and so it's a bit of a political compromise.

Quackster · 30-11-2018 2:04am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

In winter, no matter what time is eventually chosen, most people will get the square root of fück all useable daylight in the evening once the commute is done. The days are brutally short and there’s no escaping that.

That might be true in December and early January but in early November and from late January onwards, it would provide an extra hour of daylight at a nice time in the evening for leisure activities.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-11-2018 11:04am

Quackster wrote: »

That might be true in December and early January but in early November and from late January onwards, it would provide an extra hour of daylight at a nice time in the evening for leisure activities.

What are these mysterious activities that daylight greatly enhances?

MajesticDonkey · 30-11-2018 12:19pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Quackster wrote: »

That might be true in December and early January but in early November and from late January onwards, it would provide an extra hour of daylight at a nice time in the evening for leisure activities.

What are these mysterious activities that daylight greatly enhances?

Walking? Running? Cycling?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-11-2018 12:43pm

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

Walking? Running? Cycling?

People exercise throughout the winter evening. In fact personally I always preferred winter cycling. A much less sweaty endeavour. My husband plays outdoor 5-a-side throughout the winter. I’m forever dodging runners on the street on dark winter evenings.

Literally every activity you mentioned there is not only possible in winter darkness but often more enjoyable.

Anyone who uses darkness as a reason for not exercising is not the most committed soul. Seriously, why would you need daylight for any of the above? A family member of mine runs a walking group in a rural area that is as active in winter as it is in summer. They are generally out walking three or four nights a week. They would scoff at the idea that you can’t do outdoor exercise unless it’s bright or that nighttime walking isn’t as enjoyable.

Why can't we leave the clocks on summertime year round?

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