New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 4:40pm

bunderoon wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here: Can the same be said of the official theory?

Yes, the evidence in overwhelming

However in the confines of internet debate, people can subjectively deny all the evidence, tie it up in knots with endless denial techniques (if you've ever seen the anti-vaccines thread that will give you an idea)

To avoid that; if someone states as fact that this event was an inside job, with controlled demolitions, fine, but they should provide credible evidence supporting that claim

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 4:42pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Never in history did it happen one time, yet on 9/11 three buildings came down and collapsed. and fire was the probable cause, NIST claim.

Never in history did airliners strike buildings like that

They fight fires for a living and they don't believe the official explantation. It news when they side with the truthers and disregard the official story.

Nope the administrators often don't fight fires for a living, in fact many have never had fire fighting experience

You don't read the posts in this thread

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 4:52pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I'm very surprised, and sadly also very unsurprised, as to why this story has got so little coverage. I just wish they had come forward ten or more years earlier.

What you said there is important. Lot of information has come to light since NIST finished and completed their research and unfortunately nobody had a comparable study to compete with it. Hulsey study maybe will change the narrative. Hulsey study will have to peer reviewed and accepted to be considered valid though.

AE911 truth evidence is now presented to grand jury in New York. These proceedings operate in secret and investigations are private.Fire department signing on only helps the process along and this department claims more Fire Departments will follow them. Its thier claim so we have to wait and see about this and if something is ongoing behind the scenes and not yet apparent?

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 4:52pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Difference between you and I is very apparent .Skeptic brain has already solved world events that have conspiracy overtones and you guys truly do believe you have solved the UFO phenomenon question.Everyone who reports an odd or paranormal experience must be lying or mistaken aabout their experiences. Skeptic believe they are intellectually superior to all the eyewitnesses who believe they saw a UFO.

Skeptics aren't a tribe of people, it's a type of thinking. Like science. You clearly have difficulty understanding this no matter how many times it is explained to you

The links you provided more adequately describe you. I don’t think I more intelligent- I just don’t go looking for ridiculous explantations to debunk a sighting like Rendlesham. You went out of your way to satisfy yourself and posted links, that said the airmen and the deputy of a commander of woodbridge base in the UK actually saw a blinking lighthouse light and the markings they found on the ground are rabbit diggings. Instead of doing this- why don’t you ever consider it, happened just like they said it did?

Skeptics have to be right all the time about the UFO experiences people are having, UFO believers only need to be right one time and this changes human history for everyone

Skeptics will outright disregard the defence establishment eyewitness statements about UFOs defying known air travel physics. You ignore sightings reported by radar operators ‘civilian and military’ -countless airline pilots sightings, military jet fighter pilot sightings, military generals and colonels who serve with different countries militaries confirming these sightings, but its all irrelevant for Skeptics as they have figured it all out and they must be mistaken and never mind them.

Rambling stuff about UFOs

You hate AE911- but ignore they have spend cash to do a real study and its at 300,000 thousand dollars spend so far. I not really buying your explantation the organisation sole aim is to bring in money and keep it. 50k ( 300,000 spend) is 6 years yearly take-home pay for Richard Gage and there no certainty he actually currently receiving this kind of money by donations?

They are clearly scammers.

You repeat the same reasoning here and disregard all statements made by FBI officials, who are on record saying the 9/11 commission report was not the whole truth about 9/11 and they felt while working and investigating the 9/11 attacks, their superiors had very different agenda and were not focused on allowing them to find out who actually planned, facilitated 9/11. It not absurd belief like you claim. 9/11 is not solved, case is not closed sorry you're wrong.

Cool, you can't provide a single piece of credible evidence that 911 was an inside job. If you want to fantasise that it was, and these writings are your extension of that, fine, but this isn't going to be a safe space for that kind of disinfo

King Mob · 02-08-2019 5:06pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They fight fires for a living and they don't believe the official explantation. It news when they side with the truthers and disregard the official story.

What new evidence were they privy to?
What new research or insights do they provide?

If none, then it's just an argument from authority.
And it's simply a matter of conspiracy theorists hoping that would be enough to be convincing for some people.

Limpy · 02-08-2019 5:25pm

Wasn't Georgy boy reading a book upside down when he was waiting for the information RE attack.

I don't personally believe explosives were used.

But they, the government knew it was going to happen. The attackers were from Saudi Arabia, educated from mosques sponsored by Saudi Arabia.

They are Americas number one arms buyer and middle eastern ally. The same Ally who helped supply the CIA with fighters for the covert programme against the soviet Union.

Maybe the fire department just want some real accountability.

What next? some old fart in a prison compound in Pakistan who records himself watching 9/11 movies in his jocks was the mastermind.

King Mob · 02-08-2019 5:29pm

Limpy wrote: »

Maybe the fire department just want some real accountability.

And maybe, the handful of commissioners out of 10s of thousands around the country are wrong and just fell for the same conspiracy ideas as many others.

This fire department believes that explosives were used.
So you already believe they are wrong.
If anything they are distracting and discrediting what you believe to be the real conspiracy theory.

BorneTobyWilde · 02-08-2019 5:30pm

Maybe there was explosives, but maybe they were put there by another team of terrorists and they got away. It could have been planes and bombs, but people seem to think that it was just the planes that caused them to fall.
If it was proved there was explosives, then the terrorists put them there, not George Bush .

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 5:50pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Maybe there was explosives, but maybe they were put there by another team of terrorists and they got away. It could have been planes and bombs, but people seem to think that it was just the planes that caused them to fall.
If it was proved there was explosives, then the terrorists put them there, not George Bush .

And people speculate that it was energy weapons, hologram planes, remote controlled planes, mind-controlled patsies flying the planes, mini-nukes, etc, etc

That's fine, people can have their opinions, but none of the speculation is supported by real evidence. The problem is when people start stating baseless speculation and opinions as fact.

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 6:01pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Skeptics aren't a tribe of people, it's a type of thinking. Like science. You clearly have difficulty understanding this no matter how many times it is explained to you

Rambling stuff about UFOs

They are clearly scammers.

Cool, you can't provide a single piece of credible evidence that 911 was an inside job. If you want to fantasise that it was, and these writings are your extension of that, fine, but this isn't going to be a safe space for that kind of disinfo

Defence establishment is now claiming these objects are there and you can believe they are sending up jets to chase weather balloons if you want. We using scientific technology to track and monitor objects in the sky and the objects are there. People involved in science are reporting this- just because its Neil deGrasse Tyson has not confirmed it for you, you assume there nobody involved with science taking it seriously, you wrong.

Just one guy involved in Tom Delonge group. Professor Garry Nolan is a Professor of Microbiology & Immunology at Stanford Unversity, if you actually take the time to research this ,you would find out and see some of these people are government-affiliated scientists.

I already told you the CIA knew 9/11 hijackers entered the United States in year 2000 and they came there to carry out a large scale terrorist attack. They had photographs, surveillance video of a Al Qaeda top level meeting in 1999 in Malaysia were two of the Pentagon 9/11 hijackers make an appearance.

These two men were tracked and monitored by the CIA for three years and the information about their arrival in the United States was noted at the CIA station in Langley ( information that leaked out years later) Richard Clarke testimony he claimed this information would automatically be passed into the FBI and him since his job for the administration was counterintelligence and fighting terrorism . He made the claim someone at the very highest level in the CIA kept this information secret even from him and whoever did this stopped the normal flow of information about current threats to the country from Al Qeada.

This is evidence that may point to an inside job. CIA has never spoken about this incident and for as i know there was never an independent investigation. Nobody got fired for this. In my view the public has a right to know how these two men got to board a flight on 9/11 with other men and use a plane to carry out a terrorist attack. These men could easily have got picked up in hours, even days, when they were using credit cards, and renting rooms with their names, same as on their Visas and passports. CIA knew they were high level Al Qaeda operatives inside the United States before 9/11 and the mainstream narrative wants us all to believe they just disappeared to be never heard from again till the attacks took place, bull**** and that you can't see this is crap, on you.

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 6:04pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I already told you the CIA knew 9/11 hijackers entered the United States in year 2000 and they came there to carry out a large scale terrorist attack. They had photographs, surveillance video of a Al Qaeda top level meeting in 1999 in Malaysia were two of the Pentagon 9/11 hijackers make an apperance.

These two men were tracked and monitored by the CIA for three years and the information about their arrival in the United States was noted at the CIA station in Langley ( information that leaked out years later) Richard Clarke testimony he claimed this information would automatically be passed into the FBI and him since his job for the administration was counterintelligence and fighting terrorism . He made the claim someone at the very highest level in the CIA kept this information secret even from him and whoever did this stopped the normal flow of information about current threats to the country from Al Qeada.

This is evidence that may point to an inside job. CIA has never spoken about this incident and for as i know there was never an independent investigation. Nobody got fired for this. In my view the public has a right to know how these two men got to board a flight on 9/11 with other men and use a plane to carry out a terrorist attack. These men could easily have got picked up in hours, even days, when they were using credit cards, and renting rooms with their names, same as on their Visas and passports. CIA knew they were high level Al Qaeda operatives inside the United States before 9/11 and the mainstream narrative wants us all to believe they just disappeared to be never heard from again till the attacks took place, bull**** and that you can't see this is crap, on you.

All of this has been explained before

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 6:11pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

All of this has been explained before

CIA brass explained it, i wait for your enlightening info?

Richard Clarke does not know what happened, he gave one theory, and he said there maybe others.

All we for sure is CIA top brass had all the info they needed to stop 9/11

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 6:14pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

CIA brass explained it, i wait for your enlightening info?

I've explained it already in a previous thread

No offense but if you have memory issues I can't help you with that, you rehash stuff A LOT.

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 6:16pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I've explained it already in a previous thread

No offense but if you have memory issues I can't help you with that, you rehash stuff A LOT.

What your theory then and don't use Richard Clarke theory because he said he doesn't know what truly happened and why he was kept out of the loop.

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 6:22pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What your theory then and don't use Richard Clarke theory because he said he doesn't know what truly happened and why he was kept out of the loop.

Go back and read it

You bring up this stuff and when someone gives a plausible explanation you just reject it anyway and insert whatever fabricated fantasy you dream up at that moment and add it to your absurd conspiracy which has everyone from Larry S, to the CIA, to Mossad to Joe Biden to Bush in it

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 7:41pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Go back and read it

You bring up this stuff and when someone gives a plausible explanation you just reject it anyway and insert whatever fabricated fantasy you dream up at that moment and add it to your absurd conspiracy which has everyone from Larry S, to the CIA, to Mossad to Joe Biden to Bush in it

You have know plausible explantation reason you waffling again. You can locate quotes of mine, you can certainly find your new explantation?

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 7:49pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You have know plausible explantation reason you waffling again. You can locate quotes of mine, you can certainly find your new explantation?

Oh I'll find old posts to highlight your dishonesty, no issues there

If you want to rehash something you rejected before, you can go and find it to reject it again

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 10:44pm

Good news- least for me.

I hearing now Hulsey World Trade 7 report will be out on September 11 2019 to mark the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. There be other announcements made that day also. One of the announcements will be an update about the AE911 lawsuit against the FBI to release 9/11 documents..

Hearing extra news about this now. A video will be released also with the report and the report is going out to 25,000 professionals- engineers, architects and professors. A press conference will be held and some of the firemen will be showing up and meeting congress members on that day.

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 10:53pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Oh I'll find old posts to highlight your dishonesty, no issues there

If you want to rehash something you rejected before, you can go and find it to reject it again

I still waiting, why is it so hard for you to just provide your explantation?

bunderoon · 03-08-2019 12:35am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yes, the evidence in overwhelming

However in the confines of internet debate, people can subjectively deny all the evidence, tie it up in knots with endless denial techniques (if you've ever seen the anti-vaccines thread that will give you an idea)

To avoid that; if someone states as fact that this event was an inside job, with controlled demolitions, fine, but they should provide credible evidence supporting that claim

Yep, I agree. Can you point to links to this overwhelming evidence?

King Mob · 03-08-2019 12:14pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Good news- least for me.

I hearing now Hulsey World Trade 7 report will be out on September 11 2019 to mark the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. There be other announcements made that day also. One of the announcements will be an update about the AE911 lawsuit against the FBI to release 9/11 documents..

Hearing extra news about this now. A video will be released also with the report and the report is going out to 25,000 professionals- engineers, architects and professors. A press conference will be held and some of the firemen will be showing up and meeting congress members on that day.

None of this is going to be true.
They are most likely going to delay again and ask for more money.
Any announcements made will be along the lines of this announcement. ie. a pathetically insignificant non-event.

Cheerful Spring2 · 03-08-2019 3:22pm

Dohnjoe- any chance we see this post from you anytime soon?

jeremyj1968 · 03-08-2019 11:55pm

King Mob wrote: »

Why would it get any coverage?

I just don't get you guys. Is it not at least interesting for you that they Fire department should be asking questions about 9/11. Well more than asking questions, actually saying that there were explosives in the buildings.

I mean it has been one of the emotive clichés that we've heard for almost twenty years - "You should not question the events of 9/11, as to do so would be disrespectful to the firefighters who died on 9/11". And as it turns out, their brothers in arms were actually asking the same questions as everybody else.

it was interesting that the fire commissioner said that they feel that they are not the only fire department that feel like that. I wonder is this part of a "drip drip" sort of campaign, designed to keep it in the news and build it up slowly.

Cheerful Spring2 · 04-08-2019 12:45am

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I just don't get you guys. Is it not at least interesting for you that they Fire department should be asking questions about 9/11. Well more than asking questions, actually saying that there were explosives in the buildings.

I mean it has been one of the emotive clichés that we've heard for almost twenty years - "You should not question the events of 9/11, as to do so would be disrespectful to the firefighters who died on 9/11". And as it turns out, their brothers in arms were actually asking the same questions as everybody else.

it was interesting that the fire commissioner said that they feel that they are not the only fire department that feel like that. I wonder is this part of a "drip drip" sort of campaign, designed to keep it in the news and build it up slowly.

This is the kind of people they trust to tell them the truth. Pompeo candid and honest about the CIA , and of course, the Zombie audience laughed thinking he was joking!

The CIA propaganda wing has over the years convinced Skeptics to look the other way about JFK and 9/11- and by calling us conspiracy theorists, a derogatory term- large amount of people avoid looking at the evidence and continue and believe the establishement would never lie about something this big and world changing. Its faulty logic of course.

King Mob · 04-08-2019 1:41am

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I just don't get you guys. Is it not at least interesting for you that they Fire department should be asking questions about 9/11. Well more than asking questions, actually saying that there were explosives in the buildings.

I mean it has been one of the emotive clichthat we've heard for almost twenty years - "You should not question the events of 9/11, as to do so would be disrespectful to the firefighters who died on 9/11". And as it turns out, their brothers in arms were actually asking the same questions as everybody else.

Ok? And?
What information are these firefighters privy to that other people aren't?
What makes these firefighters somehow more informed than the vast majority of firefighters who do agree with the official story?
What makes these firefighter immune from believing silly untrue things?

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

it was interesting that the fire commissioner said that they feel that they are not the only fire department that feel like that. I wonder is this part of a "drip drip" sort of campaign, designed to keep it in the news and build it up slowly.

It's been 19 years.
So next drip in 2038?

Dohnjoe · 04-08-2019 12:04pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I mean it has been one of the emotive clichés that we've heard for almost twenty years - "You should not question the events of 9/11, as to do so would be disrespectful to the firefighters who died on 9/11". And as it turns out, their brothers in arms were actually asking the same questions as everybody else.

This is a trope. 911 is one of the most studied events of the 21st century. Endless questions have been asked about it.

I asked you this question before..

Do we need to question World War 2 because some people on the internet believe that the Holocaust was a hoax?

Do we need to reinvestigate the Holocaust because of that?

Then can you please explain to us why we need to reinvestigate 911, Boston Bombings, Sandy Hook and other events, start digging up bodies, because a very small group of conspiracy theorists on the internet believe it was some vague conspiracy they can't specify?

Think.

jeremyj1968 · 04-08-2019 11:08pm

King Mob wrote: »

It's been 19 years. So next drip in 2038?

A bit of sarcasm...... for a change.

King Mob · 04-08-2019 11:12pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

A bit of sarcasm...... for a change.

Yup.
No response to the rest of my post though.
I'll take that to mean that ou agree these people have no special knowledge or insight.

So given that, why is it newsworthy that 3 people have been suckered in by the conspiracy theory industry?

jeremyj1968 · 16-09-2019 5:19am

Fire Commissioner demands to know what happened to his colleagues who died on 9/11, on the 18th anniversary of the events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V19h27XwVfs

King Mob · 16-09-2019 6:30am

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Fire Commissioner demands to know what happened to his colleagues who died on 9/11, on the 18th anniversary of the events.

Ok, and?
Fire Commissioners are just as susceptible to bad information as anyone else who believe in false conspiracy theories.
He doesn't offer any new evidence or insight into the events that calls the real explanation into question.

Using his statement as if it was important or somehow supported the conspiracy theory more than the statements of lay people is simply dishonest propaganda.

You've been asked many time to detail why you think statements such as this are at all newsworthy. You've ignored those questions and ran away completely.
Why do you still believe this when you know you can't answer those questions?
I don't understand that.

jeremyj1968 · 16-09-2019 2:00pm

Look I have no interest in engaging with your condescending smart ar$e remarks. I posted it for anybody who might be interested to hear what the Fire Commissioner has to say, not for you to debunk it.

BorneTobyWilde · 16-09-2019 2:09pm

If there was explosives then it was work of the terrorists too, not the US Government. I think there was explosives, WTC 7 fell for no reason on a day two other towers fell? WTF
So WTC 7 would have fallen that day regardless? It was just a badly built building? And it was just a coincidence that it collapsed in on itself that day. Yea right. You could see it fell in free fall, and could hear the explosives. How the terrorist did it I dunno, but they did.

There was reports of people entering all those building in the built up to 9/11, late night teams of mystery ''work men'' .

King Mob · 16-09-2019 2:20pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Look I have no interest in engaging with your condescending smart ar$e remarks. I posted it for anybody who might be interested to hear what the Fire Commissioner has to say, not for you to debunk it.

What's condescending about the question?
What's unfair or irrelevant about it?

Why avoid it?

You're free to post the video and avoid any questions about it.
But I am also free to point out that the Fire Commissioner isn't actually presenting anything of substance beyond his authority.
And I am free to point out that is a dishonest argument.

Dohnjoe · 16-09-2019 3:44pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If there was explosives then it was work of the terrorists too, not the US Government. I think there was explosives, WTC 7 fell for no reason on a day two other towers fell? WTF
So WTC 7 would have fallen that day regardless? It was just a badly built building? And it was just a coincidence that it collapsed in on itself that day. Yea right. You could see it fell in free fall, and could hear the explosives. How the terrorist did it I dunno, but they did.

The building was hit by significant debris from WTC 1, approx 25% of one side of the building was gouged out. This ignited multiple fires on multiple levels. The sprinkler system failed and the building burnt unchecked for hours (firefighters were unable to fight it). It collapsed later in the afternoon. Multiple investigations concluded it collapsed due to fire (weakened steel, thermal expansion)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Building_7_collapse

Ipso · 16-09-2019 5:01pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The building was hit by significant debris from WTC 1, approx 25% of one side of the building was gouged out. This ignited multiple fires on multiple levels. The sprinkler system failed and the building burnt unchecked for hours (firefighters were unable to fight it). It collapsed later in the afternoon. Multiple investigations concluded it collapsed due to fire (weakened steel, thermal expansion)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Building_7_collapse

So, it would have collapse any other day, regardless.

New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation

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