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GERALD FLEMING ON RTE LAST NIGHT

  • 12-11-2019 8:08am
    #1
    JanuarySnowstor
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    Did anyone see the special programme last night on Rte? I thought it was very much ott by showing large parts of Cork and Dublin flooded in 30 years time. Places uninhabitable in 30 years time is going too far imo!!

    Yes climate is changing but come on like for half of Cork city to be under water is without solid foundation (pardon the pun lol)


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  • #2
    Reckless Abandonment
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    Did George Lee make it :)


  • #3
    dubbrin
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    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    Did anyone see the special programme last night on Rte? I thought it was very much ott by showing large parts of Cork and Dublin flooded in 30 years time. Places uninhabitable in 30 years time is going too far imo!!

    Yes climate is changing but come on like for half of Cork city to be under water is without solid foundation (pardon the pun lol)

    The OPW walls scheme will make sure that Cork won't be flooded... :(


  • #4
    gordongekko
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    Dublin under water .... Seems like we have found a positive aspect of climate change.


  • #5
    malinheader
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    When this country is pushing an agenda as hard as this you can be sure it sees pound signs somewhere. Tax,tax,tax and Joe public will be the ones paying.


  • #6
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    I wonder did they mention this event from 1954

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNgt3phAk3s



    Did they factor in changes in the built environment? Building on floodplains, re-routing overflow streams, improved drainage especially on higher ground so the water moves faster into the tributaries? Or are they turning what is a civil engineering problem into something else?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • #7
    Mortelaro
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    I decided not to watch it after the promo showed buses floating down O'Connell st
    That's never going to happen in our lifetimes or our children's here
    Ridiculous


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Philip Boucher Hayes on Twitter this morning:
    Tweeting and posting cat videos comes with a €9bn and up to 6 million tons of CO2 price tag to Irish bill payers.

    Yes. He posted it on twitter.


  • #9
    spaceHopper
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    It was pure drivel, most of it is true but how they presented the facts appeared more like a TY project.

    But per a capita we are one of the worst CO2 emmiters in europe but then we don't have nuclear power (if we had it we would still be on of hte worst).

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-eii/eii18/greenhousegasesandclimatechange/

    Residental is 9.8% of our emissions so even if we half it you will make sweet fa difference they need to tackle transport, energery and farming.


  • #10
    spookwoman
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    spaceHopper wrote: »
    It was pure drivel, most of it is true but how they presented the facts appeared more like a TY project.

    But per a capita we are one of the worst CO2 emmiters in europe but then we don't have nuclear power (if we had it we would still be on of hte worst).

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-eii/eii18/greenhousegasesandclimatechange/

    Residental is 9.8% of our emissions so even if we half it you will make sweet fa difference they need to tackle transport, energery and farming.

    Server farms are a big culprit as well for producing CO2 and they are on the increase


  • #11
    VeVeX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭VeVeX


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Server farms are a big culprit as well for producing CO2 and they are on the increase

    They just buy carbon offsets. The whole thing is a scam, start to finish.


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    uck51js9zml2yt
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    spookwoman wrote: »
    Server farms are a big culprit as well for producing CO2 and they are on the increase

    That's right, blame the farmers for everything :D


  • #13
    Hooter23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    Guess what tomorrows weather will be different from todays and the day after and the day after that.....it must be CLIMATE CHANGE:rolleyes:

    There at it again on rte climate change documentary followed by another climate change prime time...What is wrong with rte...there is no bad news recently so you got to create a crisis


  • #14
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,459 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I don't think Fleming beli3ved it himself.
    You had a man who sold his house because it was somewhere around 10m above sea level and thought it was in danger. I wonder did he give it away to the next guy seeing as it was such a lost cause?
    Fleming said we will likely see 300 to 400mm rise in levels over to the next 30 years.
    That can certainly be Engineered out and is nothing more than what has occurred before for various reasons.
    Ironically, we also have towns flooding now due to Environmental bullsh1t.
    We have a situation where long maintained rivers are not now getting the maintenance such a dredging due to habitat concerns resulting in reduced flow capacity etc then climate change getting the blame. It's a tax scam for the most part.


  • #15
    [Deleted User]
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    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    Did anyone see the special programme last night on Rte? I thought it was very much ott by showing large parts of Cork and Dublin flooded in 30 years time. Places uninhabitable in 30 years time is going too far imo!!

    Yes climate is changing but come on like for half of Cork city to be under water is without solid foundation (pardon the pun lol)

    They've a pure boner lately for all this climate muck, even the main news this evening was basically a climate special. Load of ****e. There must be a grant in it for them or something.


  • #16
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    mickdw wrote: »
    I don't think Fleming beli3ved it himself.
    You had a man who sold his house because it was somewhere around 10m above sea level and thought it was in danger. I wonder did he give it away to the next guy seeing as it was such a lost cause?
    Fleming said we will likely see 300 to 400mm rise in levels over to the next 30 years.
    That can certainly be Engineered out and is nothing more than what has occurred before for various reasons.
    Ironically, we also have towns flooding now due to Environmental bullsh1t.
    We have a situation where long maintained rivers are not now getting the maintenance such a dredging due to habitat concerns resulting in reduced flow capacity etc then climate change getting the blame.     It's a tax scam for the most part.

    Actually when you destroy wetlands and build on floodplains you get far more flooding and that is the cause of many issues around the country - notably the Shannon. Dredging is an expensive, ineffective and destructive response to these issues and does little to address underlying problems


  • #17
    Hooter23
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    They build walls each side of the rivers and then put buildings a few feet away sure where else can the river go but up and over...what do they expect:confused:


  • #18
    TheRiverman
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    Very one sided agenda driven programme tonight.


  • #19
    spookwoman
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    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Actually when you destroy wetlands and build on floodplains you get far more flooding and that is the cause of many issues around the country - notably the Shannon. Dredging is an expensive, ineffective and destructive response to these issues and does little to address underlying problems
    Plus its natural for rivers to flood and to change course. As you said building on wetlands is causing more issues but its also pushing up premiums and putting extra pressure on emergency services who have to go out and help these twats who build in known flood areas. Water is one of the most destructive forces on earth is eat away mountains etc and people are trying to control its flow. We all know who will win in the end


  • #20
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Fell asleep watching tonight's programme. I think since George took over the environment at Rte they've all gone into hyper mode. 10 years ago the economy had us doomed now it's global warming!! Lol


  • #21
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,459 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Actually when you destroy wetlands and build on floodplains you get far more flooding and that is the cause of many issues around the country - notably the Shannon. Dredging is an expensive, ineffective and destructive response to these issues and does
    We have situations now where drainage maintenance that was continually carried out for decades by public works is now not getting done primarily due to Environmental red tape with the result being poorer capacity in those systems leading to flooding. It's a simple fact and no amount of arguing that the bad men built in the wrong place will get around that.
    The maintenance I mention was not aggressive drainage that would destroy anything, much of it is cleaning of manmade culverts that served a very specific purpose and was required to keep water levels at a controlled level. My point is that the environmental red tape is stopping this type of work, meaning levels rise and flooding occurs. Of course when flooding does occur, the hippy types then point to that very occurance as proof of climate change. This results in even more environmental regulation and the whole thing rapidly heads towards disaster.
    I firmly believe that the local people should have far more input into these type of issues and perhaps things might not look quite so bad if they did.


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  • #22
    Pa ElGrande
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    mickdw wrote: »
    . . .
    Fleming said we will likely see 300 to 400mm rise in levels over to the next 30 years.

    That's 10 to 13 mm per annum (that's about 1/2" per annum in old money). The real world trend is round about 30 mm (1.2") per decade and it has been in that ballpark for a long time, even the most recent studies only report either 1.7 ± 0.3 mm or 1.9 ± 0.3 mm per annum sea level rise. Good luck finding reliable data, you may as well be pulling numbers out of your ar** computer models.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #23
    Birdnuts
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    mickdw wrote: »
    We have situations now where drainage maintenance that was continually carried out for decades by public works is now not getting done primarily due to Environmental red tape with the result being poorer capacity in those systems leading to flooding. It's a simple fact and no amount of arguing that the bad men built in the wrong place will get around that.
    The maintenance I mention was not aggressive drainage that would destroy anything, much of it is cleaning of manmade culverts that served a very specific purpose and was required to keep water levels at a controlled level. My point is that the environmental red tape is stopping this type of work, meaning levels rise and flooding occurs. Of course when flooding does occur, the hippy types then point to that very occurance as proof of climate change. This results in even more environmental regulation and the whole thing rapidly heads towards disaster.
    I firmly believe that the local people should have far more input into these type of issues and perhaps things might not look quite so bad if they did.

    If only that was the case - sadly the example of what happened to the Newport river in Tipperary earlier this year illustrates the problem and was publicized with photos on various FB pages including Old Shannon River. OPW went in with heavy machinery and destroyed all the natural vegetation on a salmonoid river that was meant to be a SAC - no statement of works etc. that should have been required under national or EU law was adhered to. The net result was when a heavy rain event occurred in March, huge chunks of river bank collapsed into the river and ended up partially blocking a bridge further downstream. The water quality in the river was hard hit too due to the increase in silt and other contaminants entering river since the natural vegetation that would have filtered it and cleaned it was destroyed along a 5k section of the river - this will obviously increase siltation in the river in the medium to long term making flooding issues even worse, in the same way BNM operations in raised bogs along the Shannon have. My advice for anyone who cares for their local waterways would be to keep the OPW and Waterways Ireland well away from them!!


  • #24
    Gaoth Laidir
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    I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

    The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?


  • #25
    Liffey4A
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭Liffey4A


    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

    The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?

    I always trust your opinion on this forum, always the voice of reason but have you any links to explain the artic/Greenland ice melt or lack there off?
    I'm not doubting you but all mainstream media is saying the opposite.
    I'd be interested in seeing the data for myself.


  • #26
    Day Lewin
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    Well, you can see how much resistance there is to this concern - see above.

    A very steep hill has to be climbed yet - this IS serious and it IS happening: but surrendering the indolent comforts we have become used to will take some doing.

    Cork and Clonmel regularly flood anyway: parts of Dublin, too: a good old heavy rainstorm and a flood tide will demonstrate better than Gerry just how big a difference a small rise in sea level will make.

    Denial is hard to tackle because denying is much more comfortable than believing: but watch this space.


  • #27
    [Deleted User]
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

    The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?


    Can you back this up please? There was a very good documentary last night from Greenland , local commercial fishermen interviewed. There was clearly no ice or snow right now, in November , where previously seas would have been frozen. Sledge dogs tied up as no snow for sledge transport , halibut fish weighing only 3kg now where a decade ago they weighed 10 kg, this is due to lack of natural food as marine species are dying off .

    I don’t believe this is all guff or a scam . I don’t believe we should bury our heads in the sand ! Yes RTÉ coverage is OTT but change is happening. It may not affect us but it will certainly affect our kids and grandkids and that worries me .


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

    The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?

    RTE this week has just about topped North Korea in state sponsored propeganda.


  • #29
    gozunda
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    RTE is spending its money on tabloid style TV programmes in a bid to desperately increase viewer ratings. The stuff they are producing is truely worthy of a whole raft of Saturn Awards. Alongside the doomsday buses drowning on O'Connell Bridge and amongst other things we are also supposed to now take dietary advice from extremist plant food activists such as Dr Marco Springmann in their other recent screamers piece on planetary destruction - "What Planet are you on". The same show where participants get paid for their 'wokeness'. You couldnt make it up - except they do ....

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    I believe Al Gore came out with similar bs doomsday alarmism over a decade ago

    armageddon-climate-change.jpg

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/3310137/Al-Gores-nine-Inconvenient-Untruths.html


  • #30
    Oneiric 3
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It may not affect us but it will certainly affect our kids and grandkids and that worries me .
    Why does it worry you? Assuming that omnipotent climate scientists are correct, in what way would a warmer Ireland be detrimental to future generations? Weather events in general were far more extreme in this country during the relatively cool climate period between about 1950 & 2000 than they tend to be in today's warmer and more benign period.

    Thankfully, I did not watch that program because I tend to avoid RTE these days. Only so much grossly overpaid, nasally D4 establishment sycophants my brain can tolerate.

    New Moon



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  • #31
    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Liffey4A wrote: »
    I always trust your opinion on this forum, always the voice of reason but have you any links to explain the artic/Greenland ice melt or lack there off?
    I'm not doubting you but all mainstream media is saying the opposite.
    I'd be interested in seeing the data for myself.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you back this up please? There was a very good documentary last night from Greenland , local commercial fishermen interviewed. There was clearly no ice or snow right now, in November , where previously seas would have been frozen. Sledge dogs tied up as no snow for sledge transport , halibut fish weighing only 3kg now where a decade ago they weighed 10 kg, this is due to lack of natural food as marine species are dying off .

    .

    Here's the full annual minimum Arctic sea ice volume dataset for the satellite era, with the trend for the past decade. In any case, sea ice has practically zero contribution to sea level.

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    Extent is similar. All data here.

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    Greenland melt area has reduced over the past decade. From here and here.

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    Regarding Greenland fisheries, was that piece actually shot now in November? I didn't see it. In any case, the subpolar gyre is anomalously cold over the past several years and may be signalling the decline in the positive AMO we've had since the mid-'90s.


  • #32
    Day Lewin
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    malinheader wrote: »
    When this country is pushing an agenda as hard as this you can be sure it sees pound signs somewhere. Tax,tax,tax and Joe public will be the ones paying.

    There's a damn sight more profit to be made from digging up the earth's dwindling resources, processing them, manufacturing into crap there is no real need for, and selling them on to a consumer who has been trained to incessantly purchase stuff,
    AND leaving it to that same purchaser to discard the whole bag of tricks, somehow.

    That oil to make those plastic clothes, packets, toys, furniture etc doesn't go back into the oilwells, you know.

    Fracking in your corner of Ireland? Fancy it?

    Ask yourself, who makes the biggest profit here?
    Climate scientists in some underfunded university? Or huge corporations who need to go on selling?

    Loss of bio-diversity is barely visible because it is slow, gradual, subtle.
    But it does have downstream effects.
    Food will get more expensive. Transport also. Watch this space!


  • #33
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    gozunda wrote: »
    . . . You couldn't make it up - except they do ....

    The politically correct term for what RTE did is disinformation and fake news. They are abusing trusted authoritative voices like Gerald Fleming and their own standing as the Irish states public service broadcaster to foist an agenda on the Irish public that is unsupported by empirical data and relies on biased projections generated by people using computerised models and graphics. The fact that these are computer simulations with a track record for inaccuracy is never explained to the public.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #34
    easypazz
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    I dunno lads, thermal expansion is an issue as well as ice melting. As the sea gets warmer the water expands and obviously sea levels rise.

    There are a lot of predictions of a 1 metre sea level rise by 2100, so 400mm by 2050 is plausible.

    Add a metre to below and RTE's images are not far wrong.



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  • #35
    easypazz
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    The politically correct term for what RTE did is disinformation and fake news. They are abusing trusted authoritative voices like Gerald Fleming and their own standing as the Irish states public service broadcaster to foist an agenda on the Irish public that is unsupported by empirical data and relies on biased projections generated by people using computerised models and graphics. The fact that these are computer simulations with a track record for inaccuracy is never explained to the public.


    NASA-Satellite-sea-level-rise-observations-1993-Nov-2018.jpg

    Here is the data since 1993, if it stays on the same path or accelerates remains to be seen.


  • #36
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    There's a damn sight more profit to be made from digging up the earth's dwindling resources, processing them, manufacturing into crap there is no real need for, and selling them on to a consumer who has been trained to incessantly purchase stuff,
    AND leaving it to that same purchaser to discard the whole bag of tricks, somehow.

    There is an expression where there is muck there is brass, there is an industry dealing with the output from your personal consumption. Minerals stuck in the ground are no good to anyone, compare your personal standard of living with that of your ancestors, you live better than royalty did in centuries past.
    Day Lewin wrote: »
    That oil to make those plastic clothes, packets, toys, furniture etc doesn't go back into the oilwells, you know.

    It all gets recycled back into the planets ecosystem over time. In the meantime you use it to keep warm, manufacture the tools you need for survival, the medicine, the fertiliser and the fabrics to keep warm and dry on your cycle to work.

    Simulated sunlight reveals how 98% of plastics at sea go missing each year


    Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds
    Day Lewin wrote: »
    Fracking in your corner of Ireland? Fancy it?

    It is banned today on this Island, but when it gets the go ahead it will take place in an area known as the Northwest Ireland Carboniferous Basin which has been identified as a shale rich area, this comprises parts of Fermanagh, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Donegal and Roscommon.


    It case you have not realised your electricity generation is department on gas to maintain a stable grid. 71% of Ireland's electricity supply was generated from natural gas in July 2018. Once the Kinsale and Corrib fields are exhausted - what then? Only a matter of time before the current lobbies are overruled by economic necessity.

    Day Lewin wrote: »
    Ask yourself, who makes the biggest profit here?
    Climate scientists in some underfunded university? Or huge corporations who need to go on selling?

    And what is the purpose of profit? It is a market mechanism to inform people where products are needed most and profit is transient, just as loss is there to tell people stop wasting resources. Most of the "climate scientists" who have been promoting doom over the past decades have an abysmal track record in predicting future weather patterns and environmental impact and have been reduced to using their biased computer models as props to hide their lack of knowledge. The universities who promote junk science are currently being compensated at a level unsupported by their results. If they could accurately predict the future their track record would support them and so would their funding. They have no grounds for complaint.

    Day Lewin wrote: »
    Loss of bio-diversity is barely visible because it is slow, gradual, subtle.
    But it does have downstream effects.
    Food will get more expensive. Transport also. Watch this space!

    You cannot explain how loss of bio-diversity is connected to the price of food or transport. I am watching that space and with Europe loosing 1,000 farms per day it is not lack of biodiversity driving up prices, the farmers of the Netherlands and Germany have something to say about people with two pot plants in the window sill dictating how to run their business. In fact our food generation is dependent on select species of plants like wheat and rice and animals like cattle, pigs and sheep all of which have been selectively bred over thousands of years to support the human population. Letting this island become overrun with forest and reintroducing wolves is a recipe for poverty and destruction of human life.

    The notion that humans are alien to the planets ecosystems and must be reduced to a select few is at the core of your posting it is the ideology of the extinction rebellion cult

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • #37
    Pa ElGrande
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    easypazz wrote: »
    . .
    Here is the data since 1993, if it stays on the same path or accelerates remains to be seen.

    Even those numbers don't support the 300mm to 400 mm figures allegedly quoted by Gerald Fleming nor does that level support apocalyptic computer generated images of flooding in O'Connell Street as promoted in that RTE program.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #38
    easypazz
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Even those numbers don't support the 300mm to 400 mm figures allegedly quoted by Gerald Fleming nor does that level support apocalyptic computer generated images of flooding in O'Connell Street as promoted in that RTE program.

    If that trend continues then it would be ~265mm in 80 years and ~100mm by 2050.

    "They" are predicting an acceleration in sea level rises from here.

    "They" being articles on the internet, of which there are many, its hard to know which ones to believe though.

    The sea will need to go from rising 3.3mm a year to 13.3mm per year on average.


  • #39
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    easypazz wrote: »
    If that trend continues then it would be ~265mm in 80 years and ~100mm by 2050.

    "They" are predicting an acceleration in sea level rises from here.

    "They" being articles on the internet, of which there are many, its hard to know which ones to believe though.

    The sea will need to go from rising 3.3mm a year to 13.3mm per year on average.

    Exactly, the problem you are wrestling with is how to measure sea level rise and fall and how those numbers are derived, it's not easy to measure this and the figures you are reporting are just assumptions. What are those assumptions we don't know? - but "they" have constructed a computer model based on the how they think the world works and fed it some data and then produced the number which then gets broadcast in the media. That number has no basis in reality i.e. when measured in the real world.


    Another factor to consider centering on O'Connell Street and the quays is that is all reclaimed land. The original river crossing from which the name Baile Atha Cliath derives was supposedly around where Hueston station is today and the original Viking settlements from which the name Dublin (the true meaning is lost in time) derives were not where the Custom house is today which was mud flats then. That area is all reclaimed, built and maintained by human engineering, therefore there is an engineering solution to any flooding that may or may not occur in the future. There is no cause for alarm.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #40
    Neddyusa
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Exactly, the problem you are wrestling with is how to measure sea level rise and fall and how those numbers are derived, it's not easy to measure this and the figures you are reporting are just assumptions. What are those assumptions we don't know? - but "they" have constructed a computer model based on the how they think the world works and fed it some data and then produced the number which then gets broadcast in the media. That number has no basis in reality i.e. when measured in the real world.


    Another factor to consider centering on O'Connell Street and the quays is that is all reclaimed land. The original river crossing from which the name Baile Atha Cliath derives was supposedly around where Hueston station is today and the original Viking settlements from which the name Dublin (the true meaning is lost in time) derives were not where the Custom house is today which was mud flats then. That area is all reclaimed, built and maintained by human engineering, therefore there is an engineering solution to any flooding that may or may not occur in the future. There is no cause for alarm.

    Jeez Pa....where do you think you're going posting here with your well-researched, logical, calm and reasoned responses??
    What happened to your hyperbole, hysteria and hearsay button?!!
    It seems your logic and reason has shut down the thread - they're all in shock! :D:D


  • #41
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    Fell asleep watching tonight's programme. I think since George took over the environment at Rte they've all gone into hyper mode. 10 years ago the economy had us doomed now it's global warming!! Lol

    George 'Lorenzo' Lee.

    My new name for him after his self indulgence for the 'hurricane' that had a max gust of 107km over Ireland.


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  • #42
    Hooter23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    The weather we got this year will be different than the weather we get next year..the weather we got 10 years ago is different than we get now...the weather we got 50 years was different than the weather they got 100 years ago...the weather we got 200 years ago was different than they got 100 years ago....

    The weather we get every year is different than the one before...It must be CLIMATE CHANGE:rolleyes:


  • #43
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    Fell asleep watching tonight's programme. I think since George took over the environment at Rte they've all gone into hyper mode. 10 years ago the economy had us doomed now it's global warming!! Lol

    No brexit to talk about


  • #44
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Meanwhile in the US ...
    Ruthless cold breaks dozens of long-lasting records in major cities throughout the East

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/ruthless-cold-breaks-dozens-of-long-lasting-records-in-major-cities-throughout-the-east/627067
    "A warming center is a heated facility where Chicago residents can go to find refuge from extreme cold weather conditions," the city wrote. "During the winter months, the Chicago Department of Family and Support Services (DFSS) operates six warming centers inside of the City’s six community service centers during work weekdays when temperatures dip below 32 degrees. Additional City facilities including, libraries, police stations or other structures might be made available after hours, on weekends, or on holidays, as conditions warrant."


  • #45
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,980 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    gozunda wrote: »
    RTE is spending its money on tabloid style TV programmes in a bid to desperately increase viewer ratings. The stuff they are producing is truely worthy of a whole raft of Saturn Awards. Alongside the doomsday buses drowning on O'Connell Bridge and amongst other things we are also supposed to now take dietary advice from extremist plant food activists such as Dr Marco Springmann in their other recent screamers piece on planetary destruction - "What Planet are you on". The same show where participants get paid for their 'wokeness'. You couldnt make it up - except they do ....

    3g6nrt.jpg

    I believe Al Gore came out with similar bs doomsday alarmism over a decade ago

    armageddon-climate-change.jpg

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/3310137/Al-Gores-nine-Inconvenient-Untruths.html

    This might sound like a stupid question, but those images they showed were meant to highlight that Dublin would permanently have this water level, ok?

    So if the centre of Dublin was flooded all the time like that, why would you drive a double decker bus through it? How stupid are Dublin Bus??:rolleyes:


  • #46
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,980 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    Very one sided agenda driven programme tonight.

    You aren't allowed to debate This.

    Its happening, and that's that.

    Now just do what you're told, pay your carbon taxes and shut up.


  • #47
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    NIMAN wrote: »
    This might sound like a stupid question, but those images they showed were meant to highlight that Dublin would permanently have this water level, ok?

    So if the centre of Dublin was flooded all the time like that, why would you drive a double decker bus through it? How stupid are Dublin Bus??:rolleyes:

    Maybe it's an Dublin Aquabus ... :pac:


  • #48
    Kingswood Rover
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Kingswood Rover


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    Very one sided agenda driven programme tonight.
    The agenda is to wake people up to the reality. With money making being the primary concern in life for the vast majority of the population on this planet its going to be touch and go to whether we can actually get all the competing interests to align enough to do something about it. IMO We really wont tackle this issue until there is one major cataclysmic event killing millions.


  • #49
    Longing
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Longing


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    George 'Lorenzo' Lee.

    My new name for him after his self indulgence for the 'hurricane' that had a max gust of 107km over Ireland.

    George Leerenzo;)


  • #50
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Any mention in the show about RTE's generous use of taxis on expenses and the carbon generated by such single-passenger journeys?

    From the RTE Secret Producer:
    8:20 PM - 17 Sep 2017
    People are asking me good things to FOI - start with looking at taxis - especially ones booked 8AM to 11AM in the morning going to RTÉ and 5PM to 10PM in the evening going from RTÉ. They are mainly staff using them and claiming them back even though it is private travel.


  • #51
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    Here's the full annual minimum Arctic sea ice volume dataset for the satellite era, with the trend for the past decade. In any case, sea ice has practically zero contribution to sea level.
    Your first link is blocked by my adblock.. tracker warning. Might be worth doing a scan if you aren't aware

    Eh, you wouldn't be presenting a 5 year time block as evidence here would you? The irony


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