Animals are here for us to kill, eat..

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:11pm #1

I am bombarded with facebook posts from vegan peers, convincing me to 'wake up' to what we are putting 'innocent' animals through etc etc.

Can someone please enlighten me?

I have my fair share of vegan and non vegan tips i agree and don't agree with,

However just fail to understand why there is a minority trying to change the world as we know it,

As far as I'm concerned, killing animals has gone back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue to do so, thats, in my opinion, what animals are here for.

I'm really not one of those 'anti vegan' I respect and value the information I gather from these people while I make my decision as to whether or whether not killing animals is a positive thing in terms of morals

But surely morals don't come into it? We are animals and animals are here for us to kill and eat, surely suggesting anything else is being in denial of what or who we truly are?

When down the line of humanity did all of a sudden people begin to think animals had feelings? Why are people only saying this in the last few years?

As far as I am concerned I will continue to eat, and agree with animals being eaten, for the rest of my life as will my children (if I have that influence)

s7ryf3925pivug · 02-07-2019 11:12pm

edgy

StinkyMunkey · 02-07-2019 11:13pm

The first rule of being a vegan, is letting everyone know your a vegan.

Each to their own I say.

alchemist33 · 02-07-2019 11:15pm

You get a paradox from vegans sometimes. When we say that eating meat is natural and has gone on since the dawn of time, they say we're more evolved and should get over that. But then they also say that animals are our equals and we shouldn't be using them for our own purposes.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 02-07-2019 11:16pm

Vegans are gutter snipe, ignore them.

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:16pm

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

The first rule of being a vegan, is letting everyone know your a vegan.

Each to their own I say.

Ah thats the oldest one in the book.

I've no issues with vegans and have plenty of friends that are,
I just get a little offended when they are posting videos of animals being killed on my news feed being like ''How can you not stand up for this innocent pig?!?!'

Yet surely that's our purpose as humans/animals?

touts · 02-07-2019 11:16pm

Veganism is a by product of first world luxury and excess. There are no vegans in a famine.

lipso tokko · 02-07-2019 11:16pm

greyhounds were bred to race...

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:18pm

touts wrote: »

Veganism is a by product of first world luxury and excess. There are no vegans in a famine.

Yes i agree with that big time.

I do think veganism is to some extent, selfish,

People with nothing to eat in the world, and vegans turning down meat as it is not 'right'

No such thing as veganism in third world countries, or even many other countries, Turkey, Africa, etc.

bubbles o hara · 02-07-2019 11:20pm

July 2nd, another anti-vegan thread on boards. Only 2/3 more to go before the month's end. :rolleyes:

branie2 · 02-07-2019 11:20pm

Each to their own

Thelonious Monk · 02-07-2019 11:22pm

touts wrote: »

Veganism is a by product of first world luxury and excess. There are no vegans in a famine.

I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian. The planet would be a better place if we all ate less meat. The seas are almost out of fish too.

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:23pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian. The planet would be a better place if we all ate less meat. The seas are almost out of fish too.

Well I wonder why that is?

Something makes me doubt its from a moral perspective

YFlyer · 02-07-2019 11:24pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Yes i agree with that big time.

I do think veganism is to some extent, selfish,

People with nothing to eat in the world, and vegans turning down meat as it is not 'right'

No such thing as veganism in third world countries, or even many other countries, Turkey, Africa, etc.

hahaha

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:25pm

bubbles o hara wrote: »

July 2nd, another anti-vegan thread on boards. Only 2/3 more to go before the month's end. :rolleyes:

Instead of calling me anti vegan, could you at least try and explain the idea?

I'm open to correction with the idea, but my question here is genuinely, how do vegans think human evolution can change?

Thelonious Monk · 02-07-2019 11:25pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Well I wonder why that is?

Something makes me doubt its from a moral perspective

Maybe read about it? Why do you think they don't eat meat, just to annoy you?
You're not very informed on the subject matter of the thread you started, methinks.

8-10 · 02-07-2019 11:27pm

dartboardio wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, killing animals has gone back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue to do so, thats, in my opinion, what animals are here for.

Yeah but it the same time many animals exist and breed in the numbers they do because of Human activity.

The modern beef and dairy cow are manufactured and without humans wouldn't exist in the wild as they do now. We have shaped nature as a resource and it's more than just us killing animals who happen to be around, it's manufacturing nature by breeding animals for consumption, many in captivity and force-fed to fatten them up for us.

In addition the carbon dioxide produced is going to become more and more of a problem if farming continues to expand as populations do.

I'm no vegan, I eat meat and I eat veal on occasion. But I'm very aware that I'm not simply eating something that would have died anyway, I'm eating something that is only alive because I'm going to eat it. And it's only fair to acknowledge that in any moral debate.

I fully believe that the right solution is very very close for both sides as technology advances to mass produced lab-grown meat

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:27pm

oh wow, country instead of continent, deal breaker!

and TheloniousMonk - I'm not sure, I want a conversation here, not to read topics from reddit from people in other countries.

I want to know why in Ireland, so many people genuinely think it's wrong to kill animals to eat, like we have been doing for many, many years?

Mr_Muffin · 02-07-2019 11:28pm

Meat tastes great. That's why I eat it. I do sometimes silently thank the cow when biting into a juicy steak, though.

Thelonious Monk · 02-07-2019 11:28pm

dartboardio wrote: »

I want to know why in Ireland, so many people genuinely think it's wrong to kill animals to eat, like we have been doing for many, many years?

Because they don't think it's necessary? That's it really. Just live your life, no one is going to take your meat away from you.

touts · 02-07-2019 11:28pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian. The planet would be a better place if we all ate less meat. The seas are almost out of fish too.

Less meat is one thing. Veganism is fanaticism. They are the ISIS of healthy eating.

s7ryf3925pivug · 02-07-2019 11:28pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Instead of calling me anti vegan, could you at least try and explain the idea?

I'm open to correction with the idea, but my question here is genuinely, how do vegans think human evolution can change?

"how do you think evolution can change" - ha

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:28pm

8-10 wrote: »

Yeah but it the same time many animals exist and breed in the numbers they do because of Human activity.

The modern beef and dairy cow are manufactured and without humans wouldn't exist in the wild as they do now. We have shaped nature as a resource and it's more than just us killing animals who happen to be around, it's manufacturing nature by breeding animals for consumption, many in captivity and force-fed to fatten them up for us.

In addition the carbon dioxide produced is going to become more and more of a problem if farming continues to expand as populations do.

I'm no vegan, I eat meat and I eat veal on occasion. But I'm very aware that I'm not simply eating something that would have died anyway, I'm eating something that is only alive because I'm going to eat it. And it's only fair to acknowledge that in any moral debate.

I fully believe that the right solution is very very close for both sides as technology advances to mass produced lab-grown meat

now that's more like it!

anewme · 02-07-2019 11:29pm

OP, tell that to yer man who ate the Gecko.

That was the end of him.

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:30pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Because they don't think it's necessary? That's it really. Just live your life, no one is going to take your meat away from you.

That's fine, thanks for your 2cents.

This thread is to explore the reasons why, not to be shut down to 'mind my own business' or 'live my own life and don't question other peoples actions'

If that was the case, boards.ie would not be here.

touts · 02-07-2019 11:31pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian.

And I'm pretty sure 29.99% is because they can't afford meat.

Thelonious Monk · 02-07-2019 11:32pm

dartboardio wrote: »

That's fine, thanks for your 2cents.

This thread is to explore the reasons why, not to be shut down to 'mind my own business' or 'live my own life and don't question other peoples actions'

If that was the case, boards.ie would not be here.

There's been a 1000 threads on it already, quite recently. We've been through all this.

Thelonious Monk · 02-07-2019 11:33pm

touts wrote: »

And I'm pretty sure 29.99% is because they can't afford meat.

You'd be pretty wrong there

Outlaw Pete · 02-07-2019 11:34pm

I'm 100% vegan apart from the odd steak, occasional burger (or chicken on a Sunday).

Roast Duck from the Chinese I also eat and I love Pizza too, but that's about it.

I'm a vegan cause I just feel better eating that way and not killing as many animals as most other humans do is a good thing I feel.

Don't be so judgmental. Listen to this little girl and tell me you don't feel guilty that animals died so you could have a nice lunch.

https://twitter.com/KRIRQ/status/1111304527620292609

dartboardio · 02-07-2019 11:37pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I'm 100% vegan apart from the odd steak, occasional burger (or chicken on a Sunday).

Roast Duck from the Chinese I also eat and I love Pizza too, but that's about it.

I'm a vegan cause I just feel better eating that way and not killing as many animals as most other humans do is a good thing I feel.

Don't be so judgmental. Listen to this little girl and tell me you don't feel guilty that animals died so you could have a nice lunch.

https://twitter.com/KRIRQ/status/1111304527620292609

I'm not that judgemental, just confused as to where down the line did people stop caring about the pigs 'feelings'

and of course why, if it's all we've ever known

endacl · 02-07-2019 11:38pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Listen to this little girl and tell me you don't feel guilty that animals died so you could have a nice lunch.

Done. I don’t feel in the least bit guilty.

donkeykong5 · 02-07-2019 11:39pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I'm 100% vegan apart from the odd steak, occasional burger (or chicken on a Sunday).

Roast Duck from the Chinese I also eat and I love Pizza too, but that's about it.

I'm a vegan cause I just feel better eating that way and not killing as many animals as most other humans do is a good thing I feel.

Don't be so judgmental. Listen to this little girl and tell me you don't feel guilty that animals died so you could have a nice lunch.

https://twitter.com/KRIRQ/status/1111304527620292609

Poor kid. Good job she didnt watch rte investigates last week. It even made me cry.

02-07-2019 11:40pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Well I wonder why that is?

Something makes me doubt its from a moral perspective

Hindus believe that violence never brings spiritual peace, so slaughtering animals is considered wrong by many. Hindus aren't vegetarian in the way most in the West are, as they consume dairy products, it's just meat they refrain from eating. They don't describe themselves as vegetarian, and of course lots aren't lacto vegetarian and eat meat, particularly poultry or fish.

Cows are not scared, but considered god-like as they contribute so much nourishment to humanity.

Outlaw Pete · 02-07-2019 11:41pm

endacl wrote: »

Done. I don’t feel in the least bit guilty.

Well, then you're a monster! No better than Albert Fish. Enjoy your death meals! :mad:

8-10 · 02-07-2019 11:44pm

Candie wrote: »

Cows are not scared

Well they should be!

Nom nom

endacl · 02-07-2019 11:44pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well, then you're a monster! No better than Albert Fish. Enjoy your death meals! :mad:

I will, thanks! Nice one.

Rubberchikken · 02-07-2019 11:46pm

i love animals. in fact other than my immediate family, animals are all i actually gave time for.
they dont annoy, bully or drive me nuts (im being polite).

i woukdnt harm a gead on their bodies and would never accept anyone hurting one in any way.
but i love meat. but without meaning to i actually eat very little meat most days, mostly due to lack of time. id love to be vegan or even vegetarian but i dont have the willpower though i do respect those who are because of animal welfare.

Irish Guitarist · 02-07-2019 11:52pm

We should all buy packets of Dennys ham, eat McDonalds and complain about vegans on internet forums just our ancestors did.

Effects · 03-07-2019 12:03am

dartboardio wrote: »

No such thing as veganism in third world countries, or even many other countries, Turkey, Africa, etc.

Yeah, there's veganism in Turkey, and also in that other 'country' you mentioned, Africa.

mickdw · 03-07-2019 12:04am

I actually think vegans believe that people would still keep farms full of sheep and cattle even if nobody was eating meat or drinking milk.
They seem to believe that the lambs would run free in the field and grow into old age.
There wouldn't be a sheep or cow outside of Dublin zoo if vegans got their way but they do t seem to see this side of it.

Effects · 03-07-2019 12:06am

dartboardio wrote: »

When down the line of humanity did all of a sudden people begin to think animals had feelings? Why are people only saying this in the last few years?

Really? People didn't all of a sudden think animals had feelings. They have always had feelings. Darwin wrote about this a long time ago. But maybe you think evolution isn't real either?

pheasant tail · 03-07-2019 12:07am

mickdw wrote: »

I actually think vegans believe that people would still keep farms full of sheep and cattle even if nobody was eating meat or drinking milk.
They seem to believe that the lambs would run free in the field and grow into old age.
There wouldn't be a sheep or cow outside of Dublin zoo if vegans got their way but they do t seem to see this side of it.

What makes you think vegans believe any of that..?

Effects · 03-07-2019 12:07am

mickdw wrote: »

I actually think vegans believe that people would still keep farms full of sheep and cattle even if nobody was eating meat or drinking milk.

You are a lot stupider than most vegans if you actually think that.

robertpatterson · 03-07-2019 12:10am

anewme wrote: »

OP, tell that to yer man who ate the Gecko.

That was the end of him.

Gordon?

pheasant tail · 03-07-2019 12:13am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i love animals. in fact other than my immediate family, animals are all i actually gave time for.
they dont annoy, bully or drive me nuts (im being polite).

i woukdnt harm a gead on their bodies and would never accept anyone hurting one in any way.
but i love meat. but without meaning to i actually eat very little meat most days, mostly due to lack of time. id love to be vegan or even vegetarian but i dont have the willpower though i do respect those who are because of animal welfare.

I don’t mean to single out your comment as I can see the sincere meaning behind it. But you said you wouldn’t harm a head on their body or accept anyone hurting animals in any way. You do know by purchasing meat or animal products, you are just paying someone else to do that for you...

That’s why I didn’t get the hypocrisy with all the outrage last week about the greyhounds. I’m guessing if we where all eating them then it would be perfectly acceptable, bred for that reason, evolution, would run free without us, happy life before they where mistreated etc etc

mickdw · 03-07-2019 12:14am

pheasant tail wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

I actually think vegans believe that people would still keep farms full of sheep and cattle even if nobody was eating meat or drinking milk.
They seem to believe that the lambs would run free in the field and grow into old age.
There wouldn't be a sheep or cow outside of Dublin zoo if vegans got their way but they do t seem to see this side of it.

What makes you think vegans believe any of that..?

Because most go on a out Led to n g the animals live a long and happy life grazing in the sun when the reality is that the animals will not exist.

mickdw · 03-07-2019 12:15am

Because most go on about letting the animals live a long and happy life grazing in the sun when the reality is that the animals will not exist.

donkeykong5 · 03-07-2019 12:15am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i love animals. in fact other than my immediate family, animals are all i actually gave time for.
they dont annoy, bully or drive me nuts (im being polite).

i woukdnt harm a gead on their bodies and would never accept anyone hurting one in any way.
but i love meat. but without meaning to i actually eat very little meat most days, mostly due to lack of time. id love to be vegan or even vegetarian but i dont have the willpower though i do respect those who are because of animal welfare.

Well I hope you dont drink Barry's tea.

donkeykong5 · 03-07-2019 12:18am

pheasant tail wrote: »

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i love animals. in fact other than my immediate family, animals are all i actually gave time for.
they dont annoy, bully or drive me nuts (im being polite).

i woukdnt harm a gead on their bodies and would never accept anyone hurting one in any way.
but i love meat. but without meaning to i actually eat very little meat most days, mostly due to lack of time. id love to be vegan or even vegetarian but i dont have the willpower though i do respect those who are because of animal welfare.

I don’t mean to single out your comment as I can see the sincere meaning behind it. But you said you wouldn’t harm a head on their body or accept anyone hurting animals in any way. You do know by purchasing meat or animal products, you are just paying someone else to do that for you...

That’s why I didn’t get the hypocrisy with all the outrage last week about the greyhounds. I’m guessing if we where all eating them then it would be perfectly acceptable, bred for that reason, evolution, would run free without us, happy life before they where mistreated etc etc

Did you actually watch the programme ?.

pheasant tail · 03-07-2019 12:20am

mickdw wrote: »

Because most go on about letting the animals live a long and happy life grazing in the sun when the reality is that the animals will not exist.

Most say that? No they don’t! A vegan would prefer for an animal not to be born at all into the life of our ‘farm’ animals, where in many cases the same-day they are born, their slaughter date is decided simultaneously!

pheasant tail · 03-07-2019 12:20am

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Did you actually watch the programme ?.

I did yea..

Animals are here for us to kill, eat..

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