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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

  • 18-06-2019 2:21pm
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    Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    RIP Ana

    Rot in hell, scum

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0617/1055781-ana-kriegel/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I am absolutely elated at the verdict.

    What absolutely broke my heart was when Ana’s mother said that she knew something was wrong when she came home and learned that Ana had gone out with two boys, because in all the years of her life no one had ever called for her, no one had ever knocked in to ask her to play and she had no friends. The poor, poor girl.

    Seeing her happy, smiley and absolutely beautiful face in all of the coverage has been just tragic. The whole thing just seems so absolutely senseless and pointless.
    What an absolute waste of three young lives.

    Depressing to think that such young teenagers could be behind such brutality.

    I think the prosecution summed it up well when they said in closing argument;
    “Boy A was like a child caught eating biscuits, with chocolate all around his mouth still insisting “no it wasn’t me”
    I would say the delay in deliberations was mostly due to boy B.

    I don’t think I’ve ever willed a verdict to be the correct one as much as this in my life, RIP Ana. I’m thankful justice was served for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    They are reading out the findings on the radio now. I have purposefully avoided news about this trial for the most part and hearing the details now it's just horrible. Absolutely horrible. That poor girl.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Will they be named?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    RIP Anna

    Rot in hell, scum

    From what I read, it was the only conviction I could forsee.

    R.I.P Ana. It was a pity your young new life in Ireland had to end so prematurely, so abruptly, and so needlessly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I've been following this and the details of the murder are horrific. It's mad to think that two boys were responsible for this.
    I'm glad the trial is over. It might bring a tiny bit of closure to her parents.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,357 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Also broke my heart about how she was adopted from Russia at the age of 2 and brought here for a better life. Poor girl.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Bad enough to have murdered her but to add insult they lied through their teeth and their parents went along with it.

    Adding lies upon lies. Nobody was fooled.

    Awful to have put the victims parents and family through such a terrible trial

    Shame on the murderers and also the parents of these scum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,357 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Will they be named?

    Nah, never.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Will they be named?

    Probably never. Despite what they did they are children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Awful to have put the parents through such terrible trial

    Shame on the parents of these scum

    We don't know all of the details of these boys' background yet. That's a bit unfair.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    What sentences will they get as minors?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭sportsfan90


    I can't imagine how heartbreaking a murder trial is for the victims family members.

    RIP Ana


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    If Jon Venables and Robert Thompson were pictured and named as James Bulger's killers, will this happen in Ireland?

    They were only ten


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    I listen to a lot of court reports on the way home in the evenings bit this sickened me like no other. They are some pair of evil scumbags and should never see the outside of a prison IMO


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭wicorthered


    The sad things is they could easily be out and about by their 18 birthdays.

    They'll definitely be free men in their 20s. If the trial information is anything to go by Boy A will do this again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Gael23 wrote: »
    What sentences will they get as minors?

    They were tried as adults.

    They'll get life, as is mandatory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Those poor parents.

    Fair play prosecution, a harrowing trial. Couldnt bring myself to read some of the reporting. How soneone could do that to another human.


    One complaint. Fcukers should be identified, not to satisgy some purient interest of mine, but i want to see their lives ruined. This wasnt a childish prank gone wrong, a mistake, an error of judgement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Gael23 wrote: »
    What sentences will they get as minors?

    Personally I have no idea. I don't think there has ever been a trial like this before. So I have no idea if they can even be jailed past their 18th birthday.

    When is the sentencing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭magic_murph


    Awful to have put the parents through such terrible trial

    Shame on the parents of these scum

    Bit harsh to be fair.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    We don't know all of the details of these boys' background yet. That's a bit unfair.

    I guess that comment was directed at the fact they put Ana's family through the trial when there was no defence put forward rather than the parents being responsible for the actions of the boys


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Will they be named?

    Publicly, No. they are minors.


    Locally? Everyone know's who they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Awful to have put the parents through such terrible trial

    Shame on the parents of these scum

    What was galling was the parents of these two by their side at court and both pleading not guilty.


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    Grayson wrote: »
    I've been following this and the details of the murder are horrific. It's mad to think that two boys were responsible for this.
    I'm glad the trial is over. It might bring a tiny bit of closure to her parents.

    They should have been advised to plead guilty from the beginning. It is sickening that poor Ana’s entire teenage life had to be out there for all of us to see.

    I just think that once she had moved on to college and away from whatever goes on in schools right now that she would have found real friends and grown into a wonderful woman.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Justice, thank god


    What kind of sentencing is available to the judge against these 2 cretins now?


    Can they ever be named? - is this something the judge could potentially decide? Or is there a constitutional barring?

    Similar case in Scotland recently, judge decided to name the killer

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47330774


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Hopefully they never see the outside world again, you can't cure that level of evil.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    Only seemed one verdict possible. At least Ana and her parents got justice there.

    I have teenage boys and I am shocked that boys their age would be capable and desiring of doing this awful crime. I actually feel for their families too. No one expects their 13 year old to do the likes of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    They should have been advised to plead guilty from the beginning. It is sickening that poor Ana’s entire teenage life had to be out there for all of us to see.

    I just think that once she had moved on to college and away from whatever goes on in schools right now that she would have found real friends and grown into a wonderful woman.

    Considering the DNA evidence, especially against Boy A I have no idea why they didn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Bit harsh to be fair.

    no, the parents knew they were guilty and allowed the bad legal advice to them both of pleading not guilty


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Ana’s mother said that she knew something was wrong when she came home and learned that Ana had gone out with two boys, because in all the years of her life no one had ever called for her, no one had ever knocked in to ask her to play and she had no friends. The poor, poor girl.

    Seeing her happy, smiley and absolutely beautiful face in all of the coverage has been just tragic.
    Ah Jaysus. :(


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    The foresenic details were horrendous. Poor Ana.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Those court reports from the trial were horrendous, like a horror film

    that poor innocent girl

    I hope those pair of twisted b@stards get a nice welcome in Oberstown


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Only seemed one verdict possible. At least Ana and her parents got justice there.

    Not sure about that. There was no forensic evidence connecting Boy B to the scene.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    What was galling was the parents of these two by their side at court and both pleading not guilty.

    The dishwater weak school councillor is as bad


    The counsellor said she did not press him on what the mess was as she felt it was not her role to investigate and she was there to support the student.

    As the counsellor and Boy B were finishing their conversation, they spoke about Ana once more.

    Boy B told her a theory about what might have happened to her, the court heard.

    The counsellor said Boy B suggested that “perhaps the men who had attacked Boy A may have taken or kidnapped Ana”.



    When it came to it they probably saw Ana as an outsider compared to their two fine little murderers. You get that sort of thing


    RIP Ana


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Justice, thank god


    What kind of sentencing is available to the judge against these 2 cretins now?


    Can they ever be named? - is this something the judge could potentially decide? Or is there a constitutional barring?

    Similar case in Scotland recently, judge decided to name the killer

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47330774

    Murder is a mandatory life sentence. These boys were tried as adults so that's what they will get. With good behavior in prison they will most likely be paroled in 2029

    As for them ever being named publicly, I'm not sure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭Muller1991


    I hope the family can now get some sense of closure from all of this, Glad the trial didn't drag any longer , Can they be named when they turn 18 ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Their parents have something to answer for in terms of destroying evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Grayson wrote: »
    Probably never. Despite what they did they are children.

    Killers are killers.
    They knowingly took the life of an innocent young girl.
    At least one of them raped her and this was someone they knew.

    And like some other killers under the age of 18 according to some one has the mindset to strike again.
    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    If Jon Venables and Robert Thompson were pictured and named as James Bulger's killers, will this happen in Ireland?

    They were only ten

    Another two scumbags.
    They were tried as adults.

    They'll get life, as is mandatory.

    Life is about 16 years and it will be less for these two minors.

    What sickened me was the closing arguments of their counsels.
    You would swear they were the fooking victims.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    no, the parents knew they were guilty and allowed the bad legal advice to them both of pleading not guilty

    And made it even worse for the victims fanily.

    Scum of the worst order and I include the parents

    in that. They seemed to think the jury would fall for their scum sons complete bullsh1t LIES

    Shame is all i can say


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Severely bullied in school.

    That angers me no end too.

    Other kids involved in making her life a misery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    What sentences will they get as minors?

    They were tried as adults


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Will they be named?
    Birneybau wrote: »
    Nah, never.

    People from the locality know who they are.


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭seasidedub


    Maybe we could all learn something from this?

    If we know of a kid who's being ostracized, bullied, left out, considered weird we could try to encourage our own kids to get to know them, we could include them in invites, play etc.

    This poor kid. I hope there is another life on some distant planet and she rocks there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Bit harsh to be fair.

    No it’s not .... the reason they pleaded not guilty is they wouldn’t benefit either way .. it would be life sentences either way.
    The right thing for those lads parents is to get their sons to own up to what they did and plead guilty !! They didn’t. So beechwood is right imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭grassroot1


    What was galling was the parents of these two by their side at court and both pleading not guilty.


    They were their sons someday you will realise the strength of the parent offspring bond.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Not sure about that. There was no forensic evidence connecting Boy B to the scene.

    Maybe, but that wasn't needed.
    Pretty sure judge said jury needed to be sure he lured her there was enough?

    I'm sure there's going to be a lot more unadmissable evidence that will come to light over the coming days that will shock further.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Hopefully they never see the outside world again, you can't cure that level of evil.

    They'll be back out on the streets by their early 20s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Murder is a mandatory life sentence. These boys were tried as adults so that's what they will get. With good behavior in prison they will most likely be paroled in 2029

    They'll be out before that. Probably by the time they are 21 so I'm guessing they'll be out in about 6 years.

    I hope I'm wildly wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    They'll be out before their 21st birthdays I'd imagine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Bad enough to have murdered her but to add insult they lied through their feet. Awful to have put the parents through such terrible trial

    Shame on the parents of these scum

    God help you if your child ever commits a heinous crime. While how one is raised is definitely a factor in how they end up, to blame the parents for their sons committing an act of murder is totally unfair. Plenty of murderers and criminals were raised in good homes with loving parents.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Muller1991 wrote: »
    I hope the family can now get some sense of closure from all of this, Glad the trial didn't drag any longer , Can they be named when they turn 18 ?

    I'd say the real grieving can only begin now.

    Rest in peace Ana


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