Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

P_1 · 16-12-2018 1:28pm #1

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=521998308280272&id=433698377110266

Context. KBC are trying to evict people from a property in Strokestown. On Tuesday a gang of people from north of the border who identify as British moved in on the property, assaulting people ( there are videos floating about online about this). Last night a large group of people seemingly took the property back, 2 dogs are dead and several northern registered vans have been burnt out.

Several questions. Main one is what on earth were KBC thinking going down this road? Have they no idea of the historical context of doing this? Second question is how this is going to be framed by the national media.

Effects · 16-12-2018 1:31pm

Don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house. Is that too simplistic?

theteal · 16-12-2018 1:33pm

How long has it taken to get to this point?

P_1 · 16-12-2018 1:34pm

Effects wrote: »

Don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house. Is that too simplistic?

Indeed, however the optics of using that method of eviction are horrific to say the least and it has seemingly inspired some sort of a destructive reaction that really helps nobody here

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 16-12-2018 1:36pm

Historical context? Oh, for goodness sake. Do you want non-eviction zones around the country decided by historical events? Mortgage not paid, all avenues exhausted so what do they expect?

RocketRaccoon · 16-12-2018 1:37pm

They didn't pay their mortgage, tough ****.

P_1 · 16-12-2018 1:38pm

Eliana Narrow Smooch wrote: »

Historical context? Oh, for goodness sake. Do you want non-eviction zones around the country decided by historical events? Mortgage not paid, all avenues exhausted so what do they expect?

Perhaps not bringing in lads dressed all in black from Northern Ireland who seemingly assaulted a retired Garda?

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-12-2018 1:40pm

Effects wrote: »

Don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house. Is that too simplistic?

But getting the likes of that to come into our country to force people out? They should have been chopped up the minute they came near the property.

klaaaz · 16-12-2018 1:40pm

A loyalist eviction squad has been evicted in Roscommon!

The comments on the video has been quite supportive of the raid, this is maybe a turning point in the eviction war.

Amirani · 16-12-2018 1:41pm

P_1 wrote: »

Perhaps not bringing in lads dressed all in black from Northern Ireland who seemingly assaulted a retired Garda?

You want to try do it with a woman dressed in a business suit maybe? How would she have fared during this retaliation attack?

Evictions can be dangerous and it's completely understandable that property owners would use a few burly security men to secure their property.

Mad_maxx · 16-12-2018 1:41pm

Effects wrote: »

Don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house. Is that too simplistic?

This is farm land, bidx1 (formally allsop) will sell your mother's wedding ring but recently had to end all involvement with the sale of repossessed Farm land

Farmers have zero regard for the law when it comes to banks trying to enforce debts on land, I was raised on a farm BTW

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 16-12-2018 1:43pm

P_1 wrote: »

Perhaps not bringing in lads dressed all in black from Northern Ireland who seemingly assaulted a retired Garda?

I'd be more concerned about the vigilante anti eviction thugs who burned out cars and disregarded the rule of law.

Mad_maxx · 16-12-2018 1:43pm

klaaaz wrote: »

A loyalist eviction squad has been evicted in Roscommon! The comments on the video has been quite supportive of the raid, this is maybe a turning point in the eviction war.

A turning point in the "eviction war" would be if the mortgage payers who pay their own way and also those of defaulters, got a break .

Effects · 16-12-2018 1:44pm

P_1 wrote: »

Perhaps not bringing in lads dressed all in black from Northern Ireland who seemingly assaulted a retired Garda?

Is there any more background to the story?

Amirani · 16-12-2018 1:45pm

Eliana Narrow Smooch wrote: »

I'd be more concerned about the vigilante anti eviction thugs who burned out cars and disregarded the rule of law.

Yeah, caused the death of a dog also.

Complete thugs. We have courts for a reason, you can't just pick and choose when you want to listen to them and then go assaulting people, burning cars and harming animals.

Fr_Dougal · 16-12-2018 1:45pm

Gobschites.

Effects · 16-12-2018 1:46pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

This is farm land, bidx1 (formally allsop) will sell your mother's wedding ring but recently had to end all involvement with the sale of repossessed Farm land.
Farmers have zero regard for the law when it comes to banks trying to enforce debts on land, I was raised on a farm BTW.

So it wasn't the house, but the land that money was owed on?

16-12-2018 1:46pm

Amirani wrote: »

You want to try do it with a woman dressed in a business suit maybe? How would she have fared during this retaliation attack?

Evictions can be dangerous and it's completely understandable that property owners would use a few burly security men to secure their property.

Eh? From the link:

the family who are third-generation on the home farm, consisting of two elderly men (brothers) and their sister

corks finest · 16-12-2018 1:48pm

Effects wrote: »

Don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house. Is that too simplistic?

Irrespective of how long etc,these idiots need to spoken to,lots of them aligned to loyalist scum

pablo128 · 16-12-2018 1:49pm

I just read the story. So the 70 lads who turned up to turf out the security guards completely wasted their time, and are wanted now for assault and arson.

Where were they when the family needed to pay their mortgage? Could they have all chipped in a 1k each towards the outstanding amount? No, too easy. Let's attack some security guards and burn their vans. Idiots.

mikeym · 16-12-2018 1:49pm

So its ok for people who dont have Irish Security Licences to come down to Roscommon and assault elderly people.

I dont feel sorry for hired thugs.

P_1 · 16-12-2018 1:50pm

Eliana Narrow Smooch wrote: »

I'd be more concerned about the vigilante anti eviction thugs who burned out cars and disregarded the rule of law.

As would I. However what do you think inspired that proto nationalist reaction? I get it, the bank has a debt that needs to be enforced but the manner in which they have gone about it is braindead ro put it mildly. Surely somebody there would have copped that this would have acted like a red rag to a bull to the people who went vigilante last night?

mikeym · 16-12-2018 1:52pm

I dont think the loyalists would like it if Fenians went up North to evict them out of their properties.

I would say there would be violence.

HamSarris · 16-12-2018 1:53pm

P_1 wrote: »

As would I. However what do you think inspired that proto nationalist reaction? I get it, the bank has a debt that needs to be enforced but the manner in which they have gone about it is braindead ro put it mildly. Surely somebody there would have copped that this would have acted like a red rag to a bull to the people who went vigilante last night?

They need to raise the banker salary cap to attract people with IQs above 70

pablo128 · 16-12-2018 1:54pm

P_1 wrote: »

As would I. However what do you think inspired that proto nationalist reaction? I get it, the bank has a debt that needs to be enforced but the manner in which they have gone about it is braindead ro put it mildly. Surely somebody there would have copped that this would have acted like a red rag to a bull to the people who went vigilante last night?

Whatever happened before, those lads pretty much ensured there is no way back now.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-12-2018 1:55pm

pablo128 wrote: »

Whatever happened before, those lads pretty much ensured there is no way back now.

Doesn't matter. That filth has no place here and a line needed to be drawn regardless of any of her back story.

greenfield21 · 16-12-2018 1:55pm

I would say there isn't many security firms in the republic who would go near farmland repossessions.

Gimme A Pound · 16-12-2018 1:57pm

Amirani wrote: »

You want to try do it with a woman dressed in a business suit maybe?.

Not that they indicated that

but while tough measures are needed, why from northern Ireland and not the republic? Seeing as it is the republic. I think that's what they mean by the historical context bit, and they're right, dumb-ass move by KBC.

Otherwise though, people don't get evicted unless they are really taking the piss, and it's the very last resort following years of notifications.

pablo128 · 16-12-2018 1:57pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Doesn't matter. That filth has no place here and a line needed to be drawn regardless of any of her back story.

If the security lads were from Cavan or Leitrim, the same thing would have happened, but with a different excuse.

We both know that.

munsterlegend · 16-12-2018 1:58pm

Whatever bright spark in KBC thought this was the route to go down involving security from over the border to evict must be incredibly stupid. This retaliation was bound to happen.

corner of hells · 16-12-2018 2:01pm

douglasdougal wrote: »

The Irish Army needs to be deployed with conscription to 25000 soldiers when a UI happens.

Bit if leap there , from an eviction to a united Ireland with a conscription if 25000 soldiers in a couple of posts.

P_1 · 16-12-2018 2:02pm

HamSarris wrote: »

They need to raise the banker salary cap to attract people with IQs above 70

Ah I wouldn't quite put it that way. Its more a case of tunnel vision by whoever in the bank gave that the goahead. I mean they were likely looking at figures, they saw a debt that needed collection, they went looking for someone to collect it and likely found a company based in NI to do it. I'd highly doubt whoever made the sale in that company would have been rushing out of their way to highlight that they were from NI and their presence would likely inflame some memory of the Land Wars among some people based in the West of Ireland. Similarly I doubt whoever signed off on it in KBC would have also joined those dots.

klaaaz · 16-12-2018 2:05pm

douglasdougal wrote: »

So it's not terrorism then?

The "security team" are from loyalist areas in NI, a handful of them have been identified on social media with connections to loyalist gangs despite their best efforts to disguise themselves. On the eviction video, one has denied being Irish and said he was British with a northern accent, the rest had northern accents with northern regged vans which were burnt out in the raid. This is the same balaclava gang who evicted people on North Frederick st in Dublin.
As said before, hiring them is like a red rag to a bull. The local online newspaper in that region in it's video of the story has hundreds of supportive comments for the raid.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 16-12-2018 2:08pm

A loyalist eviction squad dressed in paramilitary attire repo'ing anything south of the border should be strung from the highest tree & left swinging in the wind to warn off others.

pablo128 · 16-12-2018 2:08pm

klaaaz wrote: »

The "security team" are from loyalist areas in NI, a handful of them have been identified on social media with connections to loyalist gangs despite their best efforts to disguise themselves. On the eviction video, one has denied being Irish and said he was British with a northern accent, the rest had northern accents with northern regged vans which were burnt out in the raid. This is the same balaclava gang who evicted people on North Frederick st in Dublin.
As said before, hiring them is like a red rag to a bull. The local online newspaper in that region in it's video of the story has hundreds of supportive comments for the raid.

If the security guards were from the republic this would still have happened.

strandroad · 16-12-2018 2:08pm

munsterlegend wrote: »

Whatever bright spark in KBC thought this was the route to go down involving security from over the border to evict must be incredibly stupid. This retaliation was bound to happen.

And if the security were from Westmeath they'd be left at peace?

What a pointless action if ever there was one, the farm is still repossessed, only now some of the locals will be up for arson and violent assault. But sure they showed them.

Effects · 16-12-2018 2:09pm

klaaaz wrote: »

On the eviction video, one has denied being Irish and said he was British with a northern accent.
The local online newspaper in that region in it's video of the story has hundreds of supportive comments for the raid.

Have you got a link to the video and the online paper?

Atlantic Dawn · 16-12-2018 2:10pm

How much did they owe? When did they last make payments?

P_1 · 16-12-2018 2:11pm

strandroad wrote: »

And if the security were from Westmeath they'd be left at peace?

What a pointless action if ever there was one, the farm is still repossessed, only now some of the locals will be up for arson and violent assault. But sure they showed them.

Likely they wouldn't but you wouldn't have a groundswell of support for the vigilantes as is evident right now if they did

Atlantic Dawn · 16-12-2018 2:11pm

Effects wrote: »

Have you got a link to the video and the online paper?

https://t.co/zJ2IttP6B3

Allinall · 16-12-2018 2:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eh? From the link:

At what point did they offer to leave voluntarily?

16-12-2018 2:11pm

back in 2008 when the government was going to bail out the banks they should have cut x% off all mortgages taken out between 2004 and 2008 (or something like that)

you know if they were going to put the money in anyway and charge us all for it and cut and tax for it all anyway

Atlantic Dawn · 16-12-2018 2:12pm

Can a bar hire bouncers from companies based outside Ireland to police their premises without the need to wear ID badges?

All licensed individuals are obliged by law to wear an identity badge at all times while providing a security service. Failure to wear a badge may result in you being prosecuted and facing a fine. The identity badge must be clearly visible at all times and displayed on the upper torso (above the stomach and below the neck). The following is not acceptable:

Hanging the badge from a belt around the waist.
Clipping the badge behind a neck tie.
Placing the badge in a shirt pocket or jacket pocket.
Placing the badge under a jumper or jacket.

Failure to wear the badge in the correct manner may result in your licence being revoked.

https://www.psa.gov.ie/en/PSA/Pages/id_badges

davetherave · 16-12-2018 2:12pm

mikeym wrote: »

So its ok for people who dont have Irish Security Licences to come down to Roscommon and assault elderly people.

I dont feel sorry for hired thugs.

You are assuming the individuals involved don't hold a vaild psa license.

Allinall · 16-12-2018 2:12pm

Kensley Attractive Liquid wrote: »

A loyalist eviction squad dressed in paramilitary attire repo'ing anything south of the border should be strung from the highest tree & left swinging in the wind to warn off others.

Advocating murder?

munsterlegend · 16-12-2018 2:13pm

strandroad wrote: »

And if the security were from Westmeath they'd be left at peace?

What a pointless action if ever there was one, the farm is still repossessed, only now some of the locals will be up for arson and violent assault. But sure they showed them.

Some of these security lads have been identified as loyalists and made the point on video to call themselves British. Now if you have any clue about Irish history you can see how that would go down on such a sensitive issue as repossession of a farm.

I am not saying the locals last night did the right thing just that this kind of response was at some stage inevitable.

16-12-2018 2:15pm

Allinall wrote: »

At what point did they offer to leave voluntarily?

If they are third generation on the farm its unlikely it was a mortgage that was involved here. The house looked pretty old in the video. Those boys had a long walk home last night...........

bb12 · 16-12-2018 2:18pm

you need to look at the bigger picture. the government along with all their agriculture agencies actively pushed farmers over the last few years to increase output to meet their 2020 goals. they actively encouraged farmers to go to their banks to get loans to modernise their farms to increase outputs and the banks were encouraged by the government to give away money. then the milk quotas were removed so the price of milk plummeted, the beef industry is monopolised by one beef baron so that market is also now on the floor and as a result of being led up the garden path by the government and all their advisors, farmers are now losing their farms.

the courts are not behaving the way they should be in these evictions and the rule of law is not being followed...but how does an elderly farmer from the middle of nowhere go up against this machine to obtain real justice? just look at what that guy on his farm beside intel in kildare has been put through.

there is a 21st century land grab happening right under our noses and yet most of you still bay for blood taking the bankers sides.

Gimme A Pound · 16-12-2018 2:18pm

mikeym wrote: »

So its ok for people who dont have Irish Security Licences to come down to Roscommon and assault elderly people.

I dont feel sorry for hired thugs.

What elderly people were assaulted?

I disagree with them giving the job to loyalist yobs but I'd say the reaction would have been similar no matter whom. A lot of people get very angry over being told there are eventually consequences for not paying back what they owe yet continuing to avail of the service.

suicide_circus · 16-12-2018 2:19pm

16-12-2018 2:21pm

bb12 wrote: »

you need to look at the bigger picture. the government along with all their agriculture agencies actively pushed farmers over the last few years to increase output to meet their 2020 goals. they actively encouraged farmers to go to their banks to get loans to modernise their farms to increase outputs and the banks were encouraged by the government to give away money. then the milk quotas were removed so the price of milk plummeted, the beef industry is monopolised by one beef baron so that market is also now on the floor and as a result of being led up the garden path by the government and all their advisors, farmers are now losing their farms.

the courts are not behaving the way they should be in these evictions and the rule of law is not being followed...but how does an elderly farmer from the middle of nowhere go up against this machine to obtain real justice? just look at what that guy on his farm beside intel in kildare has been put through.

there is a 21st century land grab happening right under our noses and yet most of you still bay for blood taking the bankers sides.

Government wants bigger more efficient farms and are wiping people out to do it?

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