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Seems like a good deal on firewood....

  • 21-09-2016 7:50pm
    #1
    ablelocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭ablelocks


    we have a thread on oil, and one on coal, so why not one for firewood (incl all wood fuel products)?

    I don't have a deal yet though - here's a list of wood fuel suppliers from the SEAI


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  • #2
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Great idea


  • #3
    d31b0y
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭d31b0y


    Got 4 tonne bags of hardwood delivered for 60 euro per bag in the Gorey area the other day. No site or online presence so PM me for number if you want it.


  • #4
    SQLDBA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭SQLDBA


    Got a trailer of good (dry and nicely sized) timber of delivered in Killorglin, kerry area for €100. No site or online presence. PM me for number.


  • #5
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Just so everyone remembers that a tonne sized bag is not necessarily a tonne of logs, generally a "tonne sized bag" is 1m x 1m x 1m but it can hold more or less than 1000 kgs


  • #6
    d31b0y
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭d31b0y


    Good point vicwatson. It can be confusing when you first go looking (found that out last year... first time with a stove). Everyone seems to measure the wood differently, it's difficult to compare. Always best to go by volume.

    The bags that I got were well packed, builders tonne bags stacked above the rim with good size & dry pieces. More than enough here to get me through the winter and out the other side.


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  • #7
    crabbypaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭crabbypaddy


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Just so everyone remembers that a tonne sized bag is not necessarily a tonne of logs, generally a "tonne sized bag" is 1m x 1m x 1m but it can hold more or less than 1000 kgs

    It can't under any circumstance hold more or near 1 ton of logs.

    A solid cubic meter of Irish ash or oak is about 700kg, spruce and beech are about 550kg.

    When sold as 'bulk' timber you're buying an awful lot of air. Bulk softwood is as little as 180kg per 'ton' bag.


  • #8
    surball
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭surball


    In the Dublin area - Dublin Fuel Centre had competitive prices for kiln dried ash when I bought some last year. Will probably go with them again this year unless anyone can better their price. They sell 1 tonne builders bags.


  • #9
    Eamondomc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Eamondomc


    crabbypaddy wrote: »
    It can't under an circumstance hold more or near 1 ton of logs.

    A solid cubic meter of Irish ash or oak is about 700kg, spruce and beech are about 550kg.

    When sold as 'bulk' timber you're buying an awful lot of air. Bulk softwood is as little as 180kg per 'ton' bag.

    That's the reason timber is so hard to quantify if you're buying it.
    Volume to weight will vary depending on the type of timber, so it depends on what timber you buy as to the value it is per load or bag.
    I have a good supply of whitethorn and ash in a shed that I got from my own land.
    Cleaning ditches down, its great fire stuff alright with a good heat and lasts well too.
    Not for sale though, and I harvest turf as my main fire fuel.


  • #10
    crabbypaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭crabbypaddy


    surball wrote: »
    In the Dublin area - Dublin Fuel Centre had competitive prices for kiln dried ash when I bought some last year. Will probably go with them again this year unless anyone can better their price. They sell 1 tonne builders bags.

    Are you burning it for effect or for heating. At their prices its about the same price as gas/oil if you have a very efficient stove, running optimally.


  • #11
    clfy39tzve8njq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 597 ✭✭✭clfy39tzve8njq


    The price of wood is outrageous. It's as cheap to burn oil.


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  • #12
    Eamondomc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Eamondomc


    Its not as environmental friendly though!


  • #13
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    I bought a ton bag blocks last winter and they looked lovely on top but as we got down through the bag the quality got worse and worse.
    The bottom few layers were only thick branches of trees and not split blocks .


  • #14
    surball
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭surball


    crabbypaddy wrote: »
    Are you burning it for effect or for heating. At their prices its about the same price as gas/oil if you have a very efficient stove, running optimally.

    a combination of both. We don't use it all the time and it's not our main source of heating in our house. The 185 for 2 ton bags of kiln dried ash wood will get us 4months worth of weekend and occasional evening use.


  • #15
    clfy39tzve8njq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 597 ✭✭✭clfy39tzve8njq


    I'm afraid I can't afford to worry bout the environment thanks to our government so money talks.


  • #16
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    crabbypaddy wrote: »
    It can't under any circumstance hold more or near 1 ton of logs.

    A solid cubic meter of Irish ash or oak is about 700kg, spruce and beech are about 550kg.

    When sold as 'bulk' timber you're buying an awful lot of air. Bulk softwood is as little as 180kg per 'ton' bag.

    Hence my caveat


  • #17
    dozy doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭dozy doctor


    Sorry to hijack the thread guys, I also received around a ton and a half in arklow for 60 euro from a bloke on Facebook... Think it was soft wood if it makes any difference...

    Also noticed that another Chap was selling 3 x ton bags of peat for 100 euro but not sure if that is a good deal or not..

    Any thoughts?


  • #18
    crabbypaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭crabbypaddy


    dozy doctor wrote: »
    Also noticed that another Chao was selling 3 x ton bags of peat for €100… but not sure if that is a good deal or not..
    Any thoughts?

    Sounds cheap but it depends on the size of the 'ton' bags, quality, density and moisture content of the turf.

    When comparing 'ton' bags bear in mind a slightly smaller looking bag can be a lot less turf
    1m x 1m x 1m = 1m3
    0.8m x 0.8m x 0.8m = 0.512m3 - approx half the turf
    0.7m x 0.7m x 0.7m = 0.343m3 - approx one third the turf


  • #19
    ablelocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭ablelocks


    Crate Of Kiln Dried Beech Firewood Logs 600Kg 25cm - €289, free delivery

    for comparison, I got 2 x 400kg crates for €199 each last year, with free delivery (at the time, iirc the "offer" was €239 or 229 reduced to €199)

    quality is very good imo


  • #20
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    ablelocks wrote: »
    Crate Of Kiln Dried Beech Firewood Logs 600Kg 25cm - €289, free delivery

    for comparison, I got 2 x 400kg crates for €199 each last year, with free delivery (at the time, iirc the "offer" was €239 or 229 reduced to €199)

    quality is very good imo

    Dairygold area. Will they deliver to Donegal at that price?


  • #21
    ablelocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭ablelocks


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Dairygold area. Will they deliver to Donegal at that price?

    As it says on the Delivery And Returns Policy page, "nationwide delivery"


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  • #22
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Dairygold area. Will they deliver to Donegal at that price?

    Says the following

    "Our current promotion provides free delivery on all orders in excess of €200 – a limited number of products are excluded from this offer and are highlighted at point of purchase."

    Also states this product qualifies for free delivery


  • #23
    AlanG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭AlanG


    Not sure if its a deal but clonee sawmills had the following prices earlier in the year. Well packed and good wood.
    Bulk Bag (1m3) Kiln Dried Beech €145.00
    Crate (1.9m3) Kiln Dried Ash €385.00


  • #24
    Public2015
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭Public2015


    ablelocks wrote: »
    Crate Of Kiln Dried Beech Firewood Logs 600Kg 25cm - €289, free delivery

    Is this good value? I've no Idea what 600kg of kiln dried beech should cost, but is this in the ball park value-wise?


  • #25
    ablelocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭ablelocks


    Public2015 wrote: »
    Is this good value? I've no Idea what 600kg of kiln dried beech should cost, but is this in the ball park value-wise?

    i think it's ok. The co-op superstore sells this wood by the 10kg bag at 5.79 a bag, so you're saving about 58 by buying it in bulk. Free delivery makes it worthwhile then.


  • #26
    MayoForSam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭MayoForSam


    There's already a similar thread in the Forestry sub-forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057476913


  • #27
    clfy39tzve8njq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 597 ✭✭✭clfy39tzve8njq


    ablelocks wrote:
    i think it's ok. The co-op superstore sells this wood by the 10kg bag at 5.79 a bag, so you're saving about 58 by buying it in bulk. Free delivery makes it worthwhile then.

    I wouldn't be using the likes of co-op superstores as a yardstick they charge crazy prices.
    From what I've seen of the price of wood it's cheaper to burn oil


  • #28
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Esteban Huge Firefight wrote: »
    I wouldn't be using the likes of co-op superstores as a yardstick they charge crazy prices.
    From what I've seen of the price of wood it's cheaper to burn oil

    I buy coal and logs from Dairygold as I have a boiler stove as the only heat source. To keep the stove going for 12 hours a day costs roughly €8.5 and the house is still comfortably warm in the morning until the stove is lit at 1pm. The last fill is 9pm and it lasts until 1am. If I were to get the same heat from oil even with an efficient modern burner I would use 3L/hour @ 58c/L that would cost €20.88/day. So how do you come to the conclusion that oil is cheaper?


  • #29
    davedub2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭davedub2015


    Anybody know anyone selling hardwood in Dublin for sale looking for a tonne or trailer?


  • #30
    clfy39tzve8njq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 597 ✭✭✭clfy39tzve8njq


    I was really talking about wood on its own and going by the few blocks you'd get in a trailer for € 60 to € 80 and to generate the same heat. I reckon it would be cheaper to burn oil
    You're doing well to heat the house for twelve hours a day for under € 60 a week. How many bags of coal do you burn.
    It's € 19 euro for a bag of coal in the Co Op near me and I don't know how much the logs are.


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  • #31
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    I buy coal and logs from Dairygold as I have a boiler stove as the only heat source. To keep the stove going for 12 hours a day costs roughly €8.5 and the house is still comfortably warm in the morning until the stove is lit at 1pm. The last fill is 9pm and it lasts until 1am. If I were to get the same heat from oil even with an efficient modern burner I would use 3L/hour @ 58c/L that would cost €20.88/day. So how do you come to the conclusion that oil is cheaper?

    Your calculations are way off, I know plenty of people with oil heating and would be nowhere near what your saying it costs. Your calculations on the oil leave out so many variables.


  • #32
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    pippip wrote: »
    Your calculations are way off, I know plenty of people with oil heating and would be nowhere near what your saying it costs. Your calculations on the oil leave out so many variables.

    Any efficient boiler will use 3L/hour, to have constant heat for 12 hours you need to have the boiler running for 12 hours so can you explain how I'm way off?


  • #33
    crabbypaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭crabbypaddy


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    I buy coal and logs from Dairygold as I have a boiler stove as the only heat source. To keep the stove going for 12 hours a day costs roughly €8.5 and the house is still comfortably warm in the morning until the stove is lit at 1pm. The last fill is 9pm and it lasts until 1am. If I were to get the same heat from oil even with an efficient modern burner I would use 3L/hour @ 58c/L that would cost €20.88/day. So how do you come to the conclusion that oil is cheaper?

    Its nowhere near double the cost for the same heat, thats not to say you wouldn't burn twice as much fuel, people with oil/gas boilers tend to put significantly more heat into their home, partly dues to the convenience, running heating for longer periods,being too lazy to turnoff radiators program zones and in general heating the entire house - you wouldn't find many people with boiler stoves heating the utility room or empty guest bedrooms.

    At current prices the coal probably just about pips the kerosene. Its not so long ago the kerosene was 90+c a liter though at which time coal was saving several hundred euro a year versus oil for the average house.


    Kerosene = 9.8kwh per liter 58c / 9.8 = 5.9c/ kwh

    Assuming 85% efficiency for a real world condensing boiler with appropriately sized radiators, flow rate etc.

    5.9c/kwh / 0.85 = 6.94c/kwh

    Hiqh quality Bituminous coal = 8.5kwh /kg = 4.7c/kwh (assuming €16 per bag bought in bulk from coop - in Dublin probably more like €20 per bag)

    Quoted solid fuel stove efficiencies are derived from an unrealistic test, real world efficiency of a modern boiler stove burning coal is probably 75% at best with dry fueld, appropriate loading, riddling, water circulation, draught adjustment, etc.

    4.7c/kwh / 0.75 = 6.27c/kwh @75% efficiency


  • #34
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Any efficient boiler will use 3L/hour, to have constant heat for 12 hours you need to have the boiler running for 12 hours so can you explain how I'm way off?

    For a start the boiler won't be constantly on for 12 hrs, it will turn on and off as needed. Along with the fact that if you're not in your home (assuming you don't spend 24hrs a day in your home) then oil can just be switched off.


  • #35
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Esteban Huge Firefight wrote: »
    I was really talking about wood on its own and going by the few blocks you'd get in a trailer for € 60 to € 80 and to generate the same heat. I reckon it would be cheaper to burn oil
    You're doing well to heat the house for twelve hours a day for under € 60 a week. How many bags of coal do you burn.
    It's € 19 euro for a bag of coal in the Co Op near me and I don't know how much the logs are.
    Coal @ €17.49/bag and logs €3/bag. I use 1/3 bag of coal a day and less than a bag of logs.


  • #36
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    pippip wrote: »
    For a start the boiler won't be constantly on for 12 hrs, it will turn on and off as needed. Along with the fact that if you're not in your home (assuming you don't spend 24hrs a day in your home) then oil can just be switched off.

    The 3L/hour includes the boiler cutting in and out. Trying to compare oil with solid fuel and saying the oil will only be turned on for a few hours isn't comparing like with like.


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  • #37
    clfy39tzve8njq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 597 ✭✭✭clfy39tzve8njq


    Sam Kade wrote:
    Coal @ €17.49/bag and logs €3/bag. I use 1/3 bag of coal a day and less than a bag of logs.

    I'm not doubting you but that seems very low usage for a boiler stove burning for 12 hours a day.


  • #38
    ablelocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭ablelocks


    jaysus, how about we stick to actual bargains and do the cost/benefit/efficiency analysis in another thread. or better yet, forum


  • #39
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    ablelocks wrote: »
    jaysus, how about we stick to actual bargains and do the cost/benefit/efficiency analysis in another thread. or better yet, forum

    Its getting worse in Bargain Alerts, the amount of off topic chat:eek:


  • #40
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Esteban Huge Firefight wrote: »
    I'm not doubting you but that seems very low usage for a boiler stove burning for 12 hours a day.

    That's what I use no reason to lie, a fill will last 3-4 hours.


  • #41
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    ablelocks wrote: »
    jaysus, how about we stick to actual bargains and do the cost/benefit/efficiency analysis in another thread. or better yet, forum
    vicwatson wrote: »
    Its getting worse in Bargain Alerts, the amount of off topic chat:eek:

    Would you consider minimal efficient usage a bargain?


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  • #42
    cutthegrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭cutthegrass


    Not sure if this is a bargain?

    Got a leaflet through the door today from Eco Firewood Baldoyle D13.

    (Can't post website link - maybe because I am a new user - ecofirewood dot eu)

    At checkout these codes can be used: 'eco20' for 20 euro off a 1m3 crate of kiln dried firewood or 'eco40' for 40 euro off a 2m3 crate.

    Online it seems the norm for a 2m3 crate of ash is around 360 euro - which is the same here. With the coupon it's 320 euro including nationwide delivery.

    Last season I got a 1.5m3 crate of ash from my local Topline for 270 euro including delivery.

    Has anyone used Eco Firewood before?


  • #43
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Isn't all firewood "eco"?


  • #44
    cutthegrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭cutthegrass


    vicwatson wrote:
    Isn't all firewood "eco"?


    I suppose so.

    Just wondering about the business itself, quality of wood, delivery, etc. Never dealt with them before.

    Whether it's worth taking a punt for 40 euro.


  • #45
    2forjoy
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭2forjoy


    Just seen this website and prices look ok

    http://surefirewood.com/firewood/


  • #46
    Supercell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Got three bags from this supplier on adverts, great quality stuff and cheap - http://www.adverts.ie/fuel/hardwood-and-softwood-firewood-free-delivery/11260704
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • #47
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Supercell wrote: »
    Got three bags from this supplier on adverts, great quality stuff and cheap - http://www.adverts.ie/fuel/hardwood-and-softwood-firewood-free-delivery/11260704

    Hard or softwood and how much please?


  • #48
    webels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭webels


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Hard or softwood and how much please?
    Cost is in the add if you click through.


  • #49
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    webels wrote: »
    Cost is in the add if you click through.

    Thanks, I had clicked through on phone but didn't see prices.


  • #50
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    This whole firewood purchase is a minefield, trying to compare prices is very difficult.

    Any ideas what weight is in a standard bag of softwood timber in the red net bag?

    Local place charging €3.63 per bag, any places where I could get that sub 3 per bag, for the purchase of a pallet of it of 64 bags say ??


  • #51
    maximum12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 666 ✭✭✭maximum12


    cutthegrass wrote: »
    Not sure if this is a bargain?

    Got a leaflet through the door today from Eco Firewood Baldoyle D13.

    (Can't post website link - maybe because I am a new user - ecofirewood dot eu)

    At checkout these codes can be used: 'eco20' for 20 euro off a 1m3 crate of kiln dried firewood or 'eco40' for 40 euro off a 2m3 crate.

    Online it seems the norm for a 2m3 crate of ash is around 360 euro - which is the same here. With the coupon it's 320 euro including nationwide delivery.

    Last season I got a 1.5m3 crate of ash from my local Topline for 270 euro including delivery.

    Has anyone used Eco Firewood before?

    Prices seem good. A cubic metre crate of kiln dried ash is usually in the 220 to 240 range.


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