Husky mauls child

FunkZ · 06-04-2012 2:25am

fufureida wrote: »

judging a human by the way they look

The lad has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS.

Jelly 292 · 06-04-2012 2:30am

Well the Malamute in question is with us no more

WolfgangWeisen · 06-04-2012 2:30am

fufureida wrote: »

I don't understand this stupid obsession with people walking there dogs without muzzles, without leashes, and letting them **** everywhere. There is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

Most dogs don't require muzzles and are only a certain few breeds are required by law to wear them in public spaces. That is not to say the dogs in question need muzzles, it is ignorant, reactionary legislation aimed at penalising the dogs for the failure of their owners.

Similarly, in many areas dogs are not required to be on a leash. With regards to "**** everywhere", we "****" everywhere before the toilet came along, animals don't have that luxury so go naturally. Responsible dog owners pick up and dispose of said "****" though.

You say that one day the dog will maul the owner or someone else, is that a definite? I don't believe so. In fact, "maulings" are a very rare occurrence and are due to irresponsibility on the part of the owner and nothing more. No dog is fundamentally more likely to "maul" than any other and the probability of any dog "mauling" someone is extremely low.

This is extremely off the topic though so I don't believe it should go any further, however it irks me that on a resource such as this, where people have posted many times before debunking the stupidity of the "restricted breeds" list, that such ignorance still runs rife.

fufureida wrote: »

Ok, so you are judging a human by the way they look and where they live yet a dog that almost killed an infant is " a poor little dog "?

Did you watch the video? The man has a significant rap sheet, including one single (of many) prison sentences of 2 years, of the 20 he had lived. He has a gun tattooed on his neck and lives in an area renowned for crime. In fact, if you actually bothered to view the video you'd have seen that crime is basically all the man knows.

We can judge the dog because his behaviour is the result of his ownership and the effort they have put in as owners. Well bred, well trained and unprovoked dogs do not randomly start repeatedly attacking a child. Not only that, but EVERY dog has the capability to be well trained, socialised and thus behaved. Indeed, a dog that was provoked may snap once, but repeated attacks toward someone who hit it with a shovel would suggest massive negligence on the owner's part.

That same dog could have been homed to a loving and dedicated family where it would still be living happily today. So yes, poor dog indeed.

Animals can be affectionate and sweet, but they can also um I dunno, kill you?

So can broccoli.

What about the poor little child? Its pretty sad to think people like you exist who value the life of a dog over the life of a child.

Not a single person here has been without pity or sympathy for the child and not a single person here has suggested that the child deserved it. That child is similar to the dog in that it is a victim of circumstance - irresponsible or outright reckless parents (as opposed to owners).

I know plenty of people who look like "scum bags" such as this guy but you will be surprised how looks can mean nothing sometimes.

Again, watch the video. He is a criminal and a proud one at that.

Talk about judging a book by its cover. Your comments made me feel extremely sick... Sorry if you find this offensive but I am seriously annoyed at the implication that someone is prioritizing the life of a dog over a child...

I won't make such ... grande ... claims that I felt "sick" over something you said, however the ignorance you've shown is absolutely astounding. You're attacking someone over their comments regarding a video that has been posted, without having been bothered to watch the video in question yourself. You're asserting nonsense that a dog is certain to "maul" you or someone else eventually and then drew completely false and outright troll-ish "conclusions" about what people have said here.

mazdamps · 06-04-2012 2:31am

FunkZ wrote: »

The lad has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS.

I know lol

" Robbing cars, no insurance "

" You's get ous something to and we might give up crime"

Jelly 292 · 06-04-2012 2:45am

I dunno, I am unsettled tonight after this, apart from all the regular dogs being neglected in this country I cant help but think of all the sled dogs of what ever description locked away in some fools back garden because they look a bit like a wolf.

Makes me feel guilty walking around town with mine, I don't want to reinforce/be part of this breeds image being destroyed by making some Pratt think he should get one also.
I spent a year thinking about Husky's and went in with my eyes open. I put the time in with fantastic results.
Now muppets are buying doomed pups from immoral,cruel puppy farmers to sell to wanker$ that have no concern about the animal beyond its appearance. And worse than that , it is a serious amount of energy to lock in you 10x10 yard, and FFS, let you child play with it, unsupervised.

GRRRRR, I gotta get off this thread now, rub me husky's, think about the Malamute that's just been 'destroyed' and go to bed. What a country we live in.

Cherry Blossom · 06-04-2012 2:56am

fufureida wrote: »

You definitely will, don't worry.
I don't understand this stupid obsession with people walking there dogs without muzzles, without leashes, and letting them **** everywhere. There is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

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WolfgangWeisen · 06-04-2012 2:59am

Jaysis that report post function is effective. Must be connected to adrenalinejunkies e-collar since it managed to wake her up

haminka · 06-04-2012 7:36am

Morons who buy a working breed because it's fashionable and/or look's cute and then keep it as a pet, just walk nicely beside the buggy and don't run around too much. Total idiocy.
These dogs were bred to work. To pull sleighs in very demanding and harsh conditions, have some rest and then pull again. They need good discipline and workout otherwise they get bored. When a dog behaves like that, blame the owner, not the dog.

Hellrazer · 06-04-2012 8:13am

FunkZ wrote: »

The lad has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS.

Thats completely off topic but I have to respond.

A tattoo does not mean someone is a scumbag regardless of where its located.A scumbag is a scumbag is a scumbag.

samina · 06-04-2012 8:27am

I never owned a dog until recently. But I grew up around dogs including Rottweilers and staffs that neighbors owned. I was always terrified walking past them. I used to run away from them but looking back never had any reason they never harmed anyone. When I was a teeneager I was walking along the road and a lab was walking past and for no reason he jumped up bit my back and then just trotted on his way.
My point is that I completely agree with the fact that responsible ownership and supervision is necessary for all dogs. I still have a bit of a fear of unsupervised dogs yet I would happily pet a dog that's with it's owner.

Discodog · 06-04-2012 10:39am

g'em wrote: »

But then you hear about how some breeds are notoriously great with kids and babies can practically hang out of them without fear of danger.

I take it that once a dog has attacked someone, as in this case, it's quite an automatic decision to have them PTS? Is there ever the option to rehome?

Just as there is no such thing as a dangerous breed there is also no such thing as a breed that is great with kids. Dogs are individuals, not breeds. How they are with children is totally dependent on how they are reared.

I have three different breeds & I do not have children. Because I know that my dogs will meet kids it is up to me to ensure that they well socialised with children. I would trust my dogs with kids but I wouldn't trust a kid with my dogs & I would never leave them together unsupervised.

If a Dog Warden takes the dog then it will be killed. So we never get to find out what might of caused the attack & we learn nothing. Wardens have no qualifications. They are not trainers or behaviourists. They are totally unqualified to determine the behaviour of a dog. There are many cases of rescues taking dogs that have bitten. They can often be rehomed. Dogs never attack or bite without a reason.

ISDW wrote: »

The Clare dog warden said on the radio yesterday that it was an Alaskan Malamute, so it wasn't a husky. This enlightened individual also said that malamutes are dangerous, and that huskies shouldn't be pets.

A stupid ill informed comment like this should never come from a Warden. But what makes this so unacceptable is that this Warden is employed by the ISPCA who run the Pound. It is the same Pound that killed over 200 Greyhounds in 2010.

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/DogControl/

ISDW · 06-04-2012 10:48am

I think my feelings on what happened are pretty clear in this thread, but I can't understand why people are attacking the neighbour who possibly saved this child's life? OK, so he may well be a scum bag, but what did he do wrong here to warrant people attacking him? Maybe he didn't need to use the shovel, I don't know, I wasn't there, and he doesn't have a clue about dog breeds, but at least he was willing to go and help the child. My connection is very slow, so I haven't seen the video, so maybe theres something in it that I'm missing, but I can't see what it could show that would change my mind that thank goodness he was there, nobody else seemed to be. Who knows, maybe getting good attention, possibly for the first time in his life, might change his mindset and actually change his life - stranger things have happened.

Boxerly, yes, if it was my child being mauled by a dog I would use whatever I could get my hands on to get the dog off, but the parents didn't, where were they?

Very sad that the dog has been destroyed (and I prefer to use that word in circumstances like these rather than the nicer pts) but honestly, there are so many northern breeds looking for homes, that I couldn't have taken that dog in for rehoming. Its a very, very harsh world, but dogs that have bitten usually cannot be rehomed by welfare organisations. if they should ever bite again, the legal ramifications could be huge. I have 4 siberian huskies looking for homes at the moment, one has been here since September, nothing wrong with him. There is a sibe bitch in Ashton pound that I cannot take in, as I am completely and utterly broke. There are sibes and mals in other pounds around the country that I cannot help. These are all dogs without bite histories. They can't all be saved, and its not the worse thing in the world for a dog to go to sleep and not wake up. This poor dog was only 6 months old? If this incident hadn't happened, what would its life have been? Locked in a yard for another 12-13 years?

There is another possible explanation if this was a malamute. There is a line of mals in Ireland with epilepsy, and they are being bred constantly. I spoke to one man about it, after he proudly told me about his dog's heritage, with the American champion in its lines, so I knew who he was talking about. I only told him about the epilepsy to warn him, so he could keep an eye on his dog and tell his vet. The man got very angry with me, thought I was attacking his dog, and I know has bred at least 2 litters from that dog since. The dog in this incident would have been a bit young to have a fit, but its possible. So again, health testing, responsible breeding. People come on here and read some posters going on and on about this stuff and get annoyed, and wonder why we 'preach'. This is why.

Discodog · 06-04-2012 1:12pm

The age of the dog is baffling to me. I have never heard of an "attack" by a six month old pup. It makes no sense & I wonder if it was a game that got out of hand. I also wonder how much we can rely on interview evidence. People can be reluctant to admit to anything that shows them in a bad light.

FunkZ · 06-04-2012 1:38pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

A tattoo does not mean someone is a scumbag regardless of where its located.A scumbag is a scumbag is a scumbag.

Hey HR,

I don't want to drag this thread off topic, but what I said was 'He has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS'. It was NOT an attack on tattoo's, it was a reply to the video which showed the guy as a blatant scumbag, he is bragging about how he has been to jail. I love tattoo's, I always have. But a gun tattoo'd to the neck of someone, whether or not from a place where gun crime appears to be rife, is tasteless.

Discodog · 06-04-2012 2:10pm

I have been told that Frankie Coote, the Dog Warden involved, will be discussing this matter during his slot on Tuesday morning at 10.45am on Clare FM.

WolfgangWeisen · 06-04-2012 4:28pm

If you found the dog related ignorance in this thread annoying, I would advise you to stay well clear of the thread on the topic in the 'After Hours' forum.

I only wish I had received the same advice

Discodog · 06-04-2012 4:35pm

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

If you found the dog related ignorance in this thread annoying, I would advise you to stay well clear of the thread on the topic in the 'After Hours' forum.

I only wish I had received the same advice

There have been some good animal discussions in AH. Why stay clear when they reflect the views of many - like the article in the Irish Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/4239647/Family-pet-mauls-toddler-like-a-rag-doll.html

WolfgangWeisen · 06-04-2012 5:04pm

Discodog wrote: »

There have been some good animal discussions in AH. Why stay clear when they reflect the views of many - like the article in the Irish Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/4239647/Family-pet-mauls-toddler-like-a-rag-doll.html

I refuse to read the Sun, nor listen to its readers for that matter

However, as you linked it, I read the article and it merely reinforced my pre-existing opinion that the "red tops" are irresponsible, tripe spewing disgraces of journalism that cater to the "news" needs of the intellectually stunted amongst us.

It just appears to be fighting a losing battle. For every one person who reads up on dogs and dog behaviour and acknowledges that saying that a certain breed is naturally prone to aggression is akin to saying black Americans are naturally predisposed to be criminals, there appears to be thousands who are happy to judge a breed as "dangerous" and undeserving of homes, affection and good lives simply because of what they've read in the publications of such aforementioned "news" outlets.

Discodog · 06-04-2012 5:11pm

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

For every one person who reads up on dogs and dog behaviour and acknowledges that saying that a certain breed is naturally prone to aggression is akin to saying black Americans are naturally predisposed to be criminals,

I agree but we cannot stop informing just because some of it falls on deaf ears. There is a slow improvement - even if it's like pulling teeth.

If you see negative or untruthful comment then you can either ignore it or challenge it - I prefer the latter. It is incredible how, even after thousands of years of domestication, we still misunderstand dogs.

WolfgangWeisen · 06-04-2012 5:20pm

Discodog wrote: »

I agree but we cannot stop informing just because some of it falls on deaf ears. There is a slow improvement - even if it's like pulling teeth.

If you see negative or untruthful comment then you can either ignore it or challenge it - I prefer the latter. It is incredible how, even after thousands of years of domestication, we still misunderstand dogs.

Would it then be worthwhile compiling some informative resources to push towards people when they start spouting ignorant and outright incorrect things about dogs?

Although, what really irks me is seeing people trying to inform people only to be met with being called "animal rights hippies" and the like. I think I even read something in the 'After Hours' forum that amounted to "in before someone an animal rights hippy comes to claim they let their pitbull breast feed their baby" which seemed to get quite a few "likes". They're sticking ignorant, negative labels on the dogs and then anyone who tries to rationally and reasonably defend them!

DamagedTrax · 06-04-2012 5:27pm

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

Would it then be worthwhile compiling some informative resources to push towards people when they start spouting ignorant and outright incorrect things about dogs?

Although, what really irks me is seeing people trying to inform people only to be met with being called "animal rights hippies" and the like. I think I even read something in the 'After Hours' forum that amounted to "in before someone an animal rights hippy comes to claim they let their pitbull breast feed their baby" which seemed to get quite a few "likes". They're sticking ignorant, negative labels on the dogs and then anyone who tries to rationally and reasonably defend them!

but its also after hours so the trolling is bound to be a lot higher than on here.

06-04-2012 5:42pm

Here is another Husky story from America.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/04/05/dog-expert-testifies-during-hearing-in-mckeesport-husky-case/

As sad as this is, at least they are properly investigating it.

Discodog · 06-04-2012 5:44pm

DamagedTrax wrote: »

but its also after hours so the trolling is bound to be a lot higher than on here.

Yes & their views do reflect those of a lot of people. API is here to allow the viewpoint of those interested in the subject but After Hours reflects a more general opinion. Lots of people couldn't give a damn about animal welfare.

The worrying thing is when the extreme opinions, boosted by articles in papers like the Sun, start screaming for a ban on these "devil dogs".

WolfgangWeisen · 06-04-2012 5:56pm

DamagedTrax wrote: »

but its also after hours so the trolling is bound to be a lot higher than on here.

Ah but where to we draw the line between trolling - the intent to wind people up - and genuine ignorance? I would call the article in the Sun trolling, on the face of it anyway, as it is bound to wind anyone with the slightest clue as to how dogs behave up. However, in reality it's idiocy and ignorance ... I wish it was just mere baiting!

I'm sure you're right though, the level of intentional baiting will be a lot higher on a general forum than one that is specific, however the level of stupidity and sheer ignorance will be significantly higher also. Disproportionately so even.

Discodog wrote: »

Lots of people couldn't give a damn about animal welfare.

The worrying thing is when the extreme opinions, boosted by articles in papers like the Sun, start screaming for a ban on these "devil dogs".

I agree. I can't recall how the "restricted breeds" list came about, was it in reaction to some particular incident or ... ? I ask because I'm questioning what the likelihood is that we'll soon see the legislators merely ignorantly banning breeds here as opposed to tackling the issue intelligently.

It really, really does not help that we've people in our animal protection services and wardens who have absolutely no qualifications or in some cases clue as to what they're talking about. These are the people being interviewed and people ignorantly parrot what they believe to be an 'informed' opinion, when in reality their position really needs an informed opinion but certainly isn't occupied by one!

Cherry Blossom · 06-04-2012 6:37pm

Discodog wrote: »

The age of the dog is baffling to me. I have never heard of an "attack" by a six month old pup. It makes no sense & I wonder if it was a game that got out of hand. I also wonder how much we can rely on interview evidence. People can be reluctant to admit to anything that shows them in a bad light.

Somebody somewhere reported that the dog was given to the child for Christmas, if you make the assumption that this is actually true, it still doesn't say the dog was purchased as a pup or what Christmas it was. With that said 6 months old is a pretty delicate stage in doggie development at the best of times.

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

It just appears to be fighting a losing battle. For every one person who reads up on dogs and dog behaviour and acknowledges that saying that a certain breed is naturally prone to aggression is akin to saying black Americans are naturally predisposed to be criminals, there appears to be thousands who are happy to judge a breed as "dangerous" and undeserving of homes, affection and good lives simply because of what they've read in the publications of such aforementioned "news" outlets.

A psychology student once told me that some day something you have told someone will suddenly just click and will make sense as to how it applies to them personally. It may be next week or it may be next decade. Whether it will make an impact or not depends entirely on how that information was put across at the time. Hopefully it will be triggered by someone else's misfortune rather than 'that persons' own.

magentas · 09-04-2012 11:09am

Any further info on this story?

From what I've read/heard, a toddler was on it's own in the back garden with a "malamute husky devil dog" that was bought a few months ago as a Christmas present for the kids and was in considerable pain from an ear infection, I'm guessing there was zero training, socializing or exercise done with this dog and yet left with this poor defenceless child unattended and unsupervised at 8o'clock at night...
I would have been calling social services before the pound TBH...

Discodog · 09-04-2012 3:00pm

The next possibility of an update is at 10.45am Tues Clare FM when the warden does a weekly spot

Bullseye1 · 09-04-2012 3:57pm

Who gives a child a dog for Christmas? Silly silly people.

BunShopVoyeur · 09-04-2012 4:40pm

It's never the animals fault in this forum is it...

Cherry Blossom · 09-04-2012 4:53pm

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

It's never the animals fault in this forum is it...

Yes, you are correct, it's never the animals fault in this forum or anywhere else for that matter, the key part being that it's an animal.

Thank you for such a factual, intelligent and insightful post, it's a pity there aren't more people like you in the world.

Discodog · 09-04-2012 5:02pm

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

It's never the animals fault in this forum is it...

If a 2 year old does something wrong do you blame the child or the parents ? There was a time when animals were called into Court to defend themselves - staying silent was a sign of guilt :rolleyes:. Some people have moved on since then but there will always be a few who still believe that animals have some inbuilt intelligence to understand human rights & wrongs.

If a dog does something wrong & you punish it later, it has no idea of why it is being punished - that is how dog memory works.

This forum understandably attracts a majority who have some basic understanding of animal intelligence & behaviour so it is hardly surprising if people tend to see things from the animal's point of view.

BunShopVoyeur · 09-04-2012 5:02pm

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

It's never the animals fault in this forum is it...

Yes, you are correct, it's never the animals fault in this forum or anywhere else for that matter, the key part being that it's an animal.

Thank you for such a factual, intelligent and insightful post, it's a pity there aren't more people like you in the world.

Thank you for your sarcastic and "witty" response.

Cherry Blossom · 09-04-2012 5:11pm

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Thank you for your sarcastic and "witty" response.

Your welcome, the pleasure was all mine.

borderlinemeath · 09-04-2012 6:38pm

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

It's never the animals fault in this forum is it...

Animals don't have reasoning between right and wrong. Animals react negatively if they think they are in danger - or in pain - or if their routine has been turned upside down and they're confused and feel threatened. They're not capable of understanding human emotions so why or how can you blame them?

Very rarely do you encounter a dog that just turns and attacks for no reason and most of the regular contributors on this forum know this. It's just a pity that most people that go out and get a dog as a pet don't do a bit of research into what taking care of an animal actually involves.

The Sweeper · 09-04-2012 10:15pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Very rarely do you encounter a dog that just turns and attacks for no reason and most of the regular contributors on this forum know this.

There is ALWAYS a reason.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS.

A dog NEVER just wakes up one morning and decides it's gong to have a go at someone. There is ALWAYS a reason.

The reason may be obscure, difficult to understand and near-impossible to accept ("but I trusted it!"), but there is ALWAYS a reason. For some dogs, the reason to bite doesn't need to be as clear cut and obvious as for other dogs, but that's why all dog bites should be investigated properly.

The day people understand that there is ALWAYS a reason for a dog bite, that's the day we make the first step towards properly reducing dog bite incidence.

Cherry Blossom · 09-04-2012 11:47pm

Not wanting to take the thread of topic but this is relevant to some degree, and very good timing! Not to sure how many people here (in Ireland) will see it though as it's on BBC3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00q6tdc

WolfgangWeisen · 09-04-2012 11:56pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

They're not capable of understanding human emotions so why or how can you blame them?

Well, actually, studies done on the bond between humans and dogs have shown that it's dogs ability to read emotions from human's faces that separate them as "man's best friend" from any other animals. They might not have it 100% spot on, but they've been measured to recognise and understand our emotions more so than any other animals, our closest genetic cousins included.

It was covered in a BBC horizons episode and made for fascinating viewing.

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Not wanting to take the thread of topic but this is relevant to some degree, and very good timing! Not to sure how many people here (in Ireland) will see it though as it's on BBC3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00q6tdc

Thanks for that, sky+ set

Discodog · 10-04-2012 7:22am

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Not wanting to take the thread of topic but this is relevant to some degree, and very good timing! Not to sure how many people here (in Ireland) will see it though as it's on BBC3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00q6tdc

This series is geared towards young people. It's good to educate but it is also a pity that the young make up a lot of the problem owners.

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

Well, actually, studies done on the bond between humans and dogs have shown that it's dogs ability to read emotions from human's faces that separate them as "man's best friend" from any other animals. They might not have it 100% spot on, but they've been measured to recognise and understand our emotions more so than any other animals, our closest genetic cousins included.

That's the strange part in that dogs have evolved to understand us but we still fail to understand them. They have even evolved a separate "language" that they use when communicating with us.

If a little time was spent educating kids in schools it would make a huge difference.

TooManyDogs · 10-04-2012 9:13am

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

Thanks for that, sky+ set

I can't find BBC3 on my sky+, do you know what number the channel is?

paultf · 10-04-2012 10:09am

TooManyDogs wrote: »

I can't find BBC3 on my sky+, do you know what number the channel is?

BBC3 is on Sky channel 229

ISDW · 10-04-2012 3:55pm

Did anybody listen to the warden's slot on clare FM this morning? I'm afraid I was out in the van, so could only pick up the national and our local stations.

Discodog · 10-04-2012 4:33pm

ISDW wrote: »

Did anybody listen to the warden's slot on clare FM this morning? I'm afraid I was out in the van, so could only pick up the national and our local stations.

I have a full recording of it & I will post it here. You are not going to be happy with the comments - the level of ignorance from the ISPCA is staggering :mad:

star-pants · 10-04-2012 4:57pm

Discodog wrote: »

I have a full recording of it & I will post it here. You are not going to be happy with the comments - the level of ignorance from the ISPCA is staggering :mad:

Unfortunately that cannot be posted or linked to here, with this new 'copyright' stuff it would be deemed a breach (I checked with the Community Managers on Boards first).

Discodog · 10-04-2012 5:05pm

Hopefully I can post a link to a podcast if it becomes available. In the meantime please PM me if you would like to know more.

PS I will contact ISDW provided you promise to take a Valium first !

Kash · 10-04-2012 5:14pm

For any night owls, there is a repeat of the Morning show at midnight

star-pants · 10-04-2012 5:17pm

You may only link to an official podcast on the Clare FM site, you cannot link to or promote a file / copy you have yourself as that would be a breach of copyright.

Discodog · 10-04-2012 5:47pm

OK so this is what Mr Coote said during the interview. I have avoided direct quotes, as requested, & I have used the language as used in the interview to convey a feel for how things were worded.

Bear in mind that Mr Coote is employed by the ISPCA.

Here is a summary of what Mr Coote said.

He said that it was something that he had been advocating for a long time but didn't clarify what that was. He said that it was a dangerous dog. He said that the dog pulled the child out of the back door. How can he say this when he wasn't there ? He said that there was no doubt the dog would of killed the child. He said that the potential is there with those type, he then added any type, of large dog that is not exercised or kept in the right facilities - he meant a big place. He said that if you're getting an extremely large dog that comes under the dangerous breed & you're going to have it around children - have it muzzled.

He said that it was a Malamute & a bit like these Husky dogs that you see. He said that this particular breed are used to bring down Brown Bears in Canada & that's what they are bred for. He said that they get frustrated when they can't burn energy. He said that it was just jealous of the child. How can he know this ? He said that the dog showed no violence to him at all.

He said that if anyone sees any dog showing any violent tendencies at all to take action & ring the Pound. He said that he had a couple of people with similar dogs who handed them in because their property is too small or they have young children. He said that he can find the proper facilities once they are not dangerous. His Pound killed 747 dogs in 2010 so what are the chances of rehoming ?.

He said that the dog was showing terrible violent tendencies at the time. Again he wasn't there so how does he know ?. He said that he & his wife had owned a Yorkshire Terrier for years. But when his first grandchild was born the dog got jealous of the baby & he had to get rid of his own dog. He said that to a dog a young child is like a threat - like another pup coming in. He said that of course it will get jealous as they have the same natures as ourselves

My Coote did admit there were some people that owned big dogs without any problem.

He also said he was at the Greyhound track supporting a friend that had a dog running - he forgot to mention that his Pound took in 202 Greyhounds in 2010 & killed all of them !

_LilyRose_ · 10-04-2012 6:08pm

Discodog wrote: »

He said that it was something that he had been advocating for a long time but didn't clarify what that was. He said that it was a dangerous dog. He said that the dog pulled the child out of the back door. How can he say this when he wasn't there ? He said that there was no doubt the dog would of killed the child. He said that the potential is there with those type, he then added any type, of large dog that is not exercised or kept in the right facilities - he meant a big place. He said that if you're getting an extremely large dog that comes under the dangerous breed & you're going to have it around children - have it muzzled.

He said that it was a Malamute & a bit like these Husky dogs that you see. He said that this particular breed are used to bring down Brown Bears in Canada & that's what they are bred for. He said that they get frustrated when they can't burn energy. He said that it was just jealous of the child. How can he know this ? He said that the dog showed no violence to him at all.

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/DogControl/

What is he on about? Malamutes or Siberian Huskies aren't even named in the (for want of an actual name) "restricted breed list" for Ireland.

I accept that he mightn't have been referring to the breed of dog in question when he said "dangerous", and that he did say "a large dog that comes under the dangerous breed", but why even say these things in a conversation about this Malamute? His comments only contribute to the sensationalism surrounding this type of thing that ultimately reflect badly on Huskies etc.

Or am I wrong in saying that Siberian Huskies etc don't need to be muzzled?

Discodog · 10-04-2012 6:20pm

I am really pleased that I recorded it (for my personal use only

) because I have had to keep referring to it as it is so unbelievable. I wonder how many innocent dogs will be disposed of because their owners have been told, by the ISPCA, that their dogs are potentially dangerous. By speaking of his own dog he has given everyone carte blanche to just get rid of their dogs when a child comes on the scene.

We were told that when the CEO of the ISPCA referred to "worthless mongrels" that it was a misunderstanding. We have had no explanation as to why the ISPCA Calre Pound couldn't manage to rehome one Greyhound & now we have this. How can anyone have faith in the ISPCA ?

calfmuscle · 10-04-2012 6:23pm

Could you please pm me the recording if you get a chance?

Thanks in advance

Husky mauls child

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