Alleged paedophile ring in Fermanagh.

political analyst · 15-06-2019 4:28pm #1

A major investigation is being carried out by the PSNI into historical child sexual abuse in Fermanagh after articles were written and published by Impartial Reporter deputy editor Rodney Edwards.

Edwards wrote about the horrific crimes committed by paedophile David Sullivan, who was murdered in 1998, and by others.

https://medium.com/behind-local-news-uk/what-started-as-a-look-into-a-suspected-paedophile-ring-evolved-into-something-significantly-56f05b7e2c49?fbclid=IwAR1cqMVB35esFlFjSk5CGle05Vq4d_qs-RWLct75u4b4tDfEA8tH23vchbg

https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/17680197.three-sex-abuse-victims-name-same-businessman/

A woman said that her brother raped her and, later, her son. Another woman said she was sold to local paedophiles when she was a child by her female babysitter.

The alleged paedophile ring involved well-known local businessmen and a former RUC officer.

Sullivan's mother was still alive when he was murdered. How could she let her son turn into a child-rapist?

Furthermore, some of the "pillars of the community" who are suspected of child sexual abuse probably are married and have children.

What I don't get is how a married man who sexually abuses boys could bring himself to have sex with a woman, namely his wife? Surely, a heterosexual man who is a paedophile would sexually abuse girls, right?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-06-2019 5:09pm

I'm sure Tommy Robinson will be over post haste.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-06-2019 5:12pm

political analyst wrote: »

What I don't get is how a married man who sexually abuses boys could bring himself to have sex with a woman, namely his wife? Surely, a heterosexual man who is a paedophile would sexually abuse girls, right?

Apparently it's not unusual to have pedophiles attracted to the opposite gender of their orientation, or even both genders.

A lot of.pedophiles also have healthy adult sexual attractions. That's why it's seen as a philia rather than an orientation.

banie01 · 15-06-2019 5:14pm

The lack of logic and the display of errant theory on logic on display is a sure fire way of confirming the OP is far from any kind of Analyst!

Specious bull****!
It's the mother's fault he was paedo?
It doesn't make "sense" that a man in a heterosexual marriage abused male children...!?!?

WTAF?

klaaaz · 15-06-2019 5:20pm

A thinly veiled opening post aimed at linking the gays to paedophilia.

donkeykong5 · 15-06-2019 5:22pm

Agree million%

Potential-Monke · 15-06-2019 5:31pm

You can't fault a parent for their child becoming one of the philes, unless said parent performed said acts on their own child. And as much as people may not want to think it, it does happen and most likely someone you know has been involved at some stage.

yerwanthere123 · 15-06-2019 5:32pm

Registered today... methinks this is not your first account

Sonics2k · 15-06-2019 5:48pm

Let her son turn into a child rapist?

What, you think he went out for a still each evening, raped a kid and then sat down to a nice home cooked roast and told her all about his night?

political analyst · 15-06-2019 5:57pm

klaaaz wrote: »

A thinly veiled opening post aimed at linking the gays to paedophilia.

Not true. I'm just trying to understand the issue.

Potential-Monke · 15-06-2019 5:59pm

political analyst wrote: »

Not true. I'm just trying to understand the issue.

Don't think there's anything to understand. There was a group of people, some with some power of sorts, who abused children and are now paedophiles, hebephiles, or ephenophiles. This was all happening around the time of the Catholic Church having a great time with little boys bottoms, so not totally unbelievable.

_blaaz · 15-06-2019 5:59pm

Knowlegde of this has been bubbling under surface with years in the north

Im.suprised no mainstream paper has picked this up.yet....something mustnt be adding up about the story

Potential-Monke · 15-06-2019 6:12pm

I didn't actually read the articles in full, but it sounds like it's someone who wants to be a journalist but didn't make the cut, so he's doing his own investigations. That's most likely the reason it's not picked up yet, could be a load of BS. Plus, why is the entire article in bold? It's horrible to read.

political analyst · 16-06-2019 12:51am

_blaaz wrote: »

Knowlegde of this has been bubbling under surface with years in the north

Im.suprised no mainstream paper has picked this up.yet....something mustnt be adding up about the story

The Irish Times did. It has also been featured on Sky News.

political analyst · 16-06-2019 12:51am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I didn't actually read the articles in full, but it sounds like it's someone who wants to be a journalist but didn't make the cut, so he's doing his own investigations. That's most likely the reason it's not picked up yet, could be a load of BS. Plus, why is the entire article in bold? It's horrible to read.

Edwards already is a journalist - he's Deputy Editor of the Impartial Reporter!

ToddyDoody · 16-06-2019 12:55am

political analyst wrote: »

What I don't get is how a married man who sexually abuses boys could bring himself to have sex with a woman, namely his wife? Surely, a heterosexual man who is a paedophile would sexually abuse girls, right?

So, by implication, you can perfectly understand it if its the opposite sex.

political analyst · 16-06-2019 12:59am

ToddyDoody wrote: »

So, by implication, you can perfectly understand it if its the opposite sex.

I'm not condoning it - if that's what you're getting at.

Sure, the alleged Westminster paedophile ring turned out to be a load of hogwash.

Former Chief of the Defence Staff Lord Bramall said that the idea of being sexually attracted to boys made no sense to him whatsoever. His wife was dying of dementia during the investigation into the accusations, which turned out to be false.

Annasopra · 16-06-2019 2:49am

political analyst wrote: »

A major investigation is being carried out by the PSNI into historical child sexual abuse in Fermanagh after articles were written and published by Impartial Reporter deputy editor Rodney Edwards.

Edwards wrote about the horrific crimes committed by paedophile David Sullivan, who was murdered in 1998, and by others.

https://medium.com/behind-local-news-uk/what-started-as-a-look-into-a-suspected-paedophile-ring-evolved-into-something-significantly-56f05b7e2c49?fbclid=IwAR1cqMVB35esFlFjSk5CGle05Vq4d_qs-RWLct75u4b4tDfEA8tH23vchbg

https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/17680197.three-sex-abuse-victims-name-same-businessman/

A woman said that her brother raped her and, later, her son. Another woman said she was sold to local paedophiles when she was a child by her female babysitter.

The alleged paedophile ring involved well-known local businessmen and a former RUC officer.

Sullivan's mother was still alive when he was murdered. How could she let her son turn into a child-rapist?

Furthermore, some of the "pillars of the community" who are suspected of child sexual abuse probably are married and have children.

What I don't get is how a married man who sexually abuses boys could bring himself to have sex with a woman, namely his wife? Surely, a heterosexual man who is a paedophile would sexually abuse girls, right?

Whats your point?

Paedophile = gay? - why be so coy about your homophobia?

pjohnson · 16-06-2019 8:48am

klaaaz wrote: »

A thinly veiled opening post aimed at linking the gays to paedophilia.

I'm waiting for the link to brown people = paedophilia. Quite suprised its not happened yet.

MrFresh · 16-06-2019 8:53am

political analyst wrote: »

What I don't get is how a married man who sexually abuses boys could bring himself to have sex with a woman, namely his wife? Surely, a heterosexual man who is a paedophile would sexually abuse girls, right?

No. You should look at the difference between situational and preferential offenders.

Muahahaha · 16-06-2019 10:56am

_blaaz wrote: »

Knowlegde of this has been bubbling under surface with years in the north

Im.suprised no mainstream paper has picked this up.yet....something mustnt be adding up about the story

Plus just over the border in Donegal there was another paedophile ring in operation, its horrific what they got up to and how they got away with it

In June, it is reported that the gardai have files on 16 additional men who had sexual intercourse with the 13-year-old Ballyshannon girl in 2003 but against whom charges were not brought by the DPP due to insufficient evidence. The girl’s diary records that she had sex 57 times with 22 men over a six-month period.

In July, paedophile William John Paden – one of Britain’s most wanted sex offenders – is arrested in Ballyshannon.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/10/22/a-corner-of-ireland/

political analyst · 16-06-2019 3:22pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Whats your point?

Paedophile = gay? - why be so coy about your homophobia?

My point is that one would assume that paedophilia is consistent with the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

Annasopra · 16-06-2019 4:47pm

political analyst wrote: »

My point is that one would assume that paedophilia is consistent with the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

Who assumes that and why are you trying to link gay men to paedoohilia?

El_Duderino 09 · 16-06-2019 4:50pm

political analyst wrote: »

What I don't get is how a married man who sexually abuses boys could bring himself to have sex with a woman, namely his wife? Surely, a heterosexual man who is a paedophile would sexually abuse girls, right?

Not really. Paedophilia seems to be like a sexual orientation in itself.

Heterosexual men are attracted to women. Heterosexual women are attracted to men. Children aren’t men or women so it’s not really the same.

Most paedophiles are men who are attracted to boys ( not to be mistaken with gay men because they are attracted to men in the way heterosexual men are attracted to women).

El_Duderino 09 · 16-06-2019 4:56pm

political analyst wrote: »

My point is that one would assume that paedophilia is consistent with the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

How do you know what their sexual orientation is? You know they’re attracted to children. Gays married opposite sex people for years because they couldn’t be open about their sexual orientation. I imagine paedophiles just get married and try not to attract attention.

suicide_circus · 16-06-2019 5:14pm

not all paedos are single men with greasy hair, milk bottle glasses, a rain mac and crusty slacks. I mean, a lot of them are but plenty are "pillars of society" married with kids.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-06-2019 5:32pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

not all paedos are single men with greasy hair, milk bottle glasses, a rain mac and crusty slacks. I mean, a lot of them are but plenty are "pillars of society" married with kids.

Of course. Some people are both. Some people are on paper “good people”. Doing good things and being a decent person, and also commit terrible crimes.

political analyst · 17-06-2019 12:30am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Who assumes that and why are you trying to link gay men to paedoohilia?

That's not true. I'm not surprised by cases of heterosexual men raping girls. Furthermore, the children who were murdered by Sidney Cooke and his accomplices were boys.

political analyst · 17-06-2019 12:34am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Not really. Paedophilia seems to be like a sexual orientation in itself.

Heterosexual men are attracted to women. Heterosexual women are attracted to men. Children aren’t men or women so it’s not really the same.

Most paedophiles are men who are attracted to boys ( not to be mistaken with gay men because they are attracted to men in the way heterosexual men are attracted to women).

But they are male or female.

After all, the victims in Rotherham and Rochdale were girls.

political analyst · 17-06-2019 12:36am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How do you know what their sexual orientation is? You know they’re attracted to children. Gays married opposite sex people for years because they couldn’t be open about their sexual orientation. I imagine paedophiles just get married and try not to attract attention.

I know because a man who has a healthy sexual relationship with a woman wouldn't have inclination to stick his penis into a boy's anus.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2019 8:13am

political analyst wrote: »

But they are male or female.

After all, the victims in Rotherham and Rochdale were girls.

Sure they’re Male and female. But for example as a heterosexual man, would you say you’re attracted to females (including female children) or women (excluding children)?

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2019 8:17am

political analyst wrote: »

I know because a man who has a healthy sexual relationship with a woman wouldn't have inclination to stick his penis into a boy's anus.

I suppose the question I’m asking is how do you know their sexual relationship is healthy and how can you preclude the possibility that it’s faked?

This also assumes that a man who is married to a woman and has sex with her can’t also be gay. But we have years of evidence of gays getting married and having children because it wasn’t socially acceptable to be openly gay.

I don’t think it’s impossible to fake a relationship. I’ve no idea why you think it is.

Sardonicat · 17-06-2019 8:21am

political analyst wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How do you know what their sexual orientation is? You know they’re attracted to children. Gays married opposite sex people for years because they couldn’t be open about their sexual orientation. I imagine paedophiles just get married and try not to attract attention.

I know because a man who has a healthy sexual relationship with a woman wouldn't have inclination to stick his penis into a boy's anus.

But he would have an inclination to stick it into a little girl!?

Der Stier · 17-06-2019 9:10am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm sure Tommy Robinson will be over post haste.

No need, the law will take care of these guys, unlike the grooming gangs in the UK of a certain religious persuasion that they covered up and enabled for years....

Der Stier · 17-06-2019 9:14am

This reminds me of a conversation I overheard on the DART back in the 2nd Micheal Jackson trial.

*in a strong dublin accent

"I don't think he's gilty, cos he's got loads of money, he's so bleedin' rich like if he were gay he could have any gay man he wanted .... "

double f*cking facepalm.

So apparently as a straight man, I should watch myself around young girls - I just might get tempted!

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2019 9:16am

Sardonicat wrote: »

But he would have an inclination to stick it into a little girl!?

Would he?

Why do someone think he is attracted to adults at all? Because he’s married to a woman, right? But we already know people can get married for reasons other than sexual attraction.

We know they’re attracted to children boys/girls. That’s a separate category from people who are attracted to adult men/women.

Sardonicat · 17-06-2019 9:35am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

But he would have an inclination to stick it into a little girl!?

Would he?

Why do someone think he is attracted to adults at all? Because he’s married to a woman, right? But we already know people can get married for reasons other than sexual attraction.

We know they’re attracted to children boys/girls. That’s a separate category from people who are attracted to adult men/women.

I agree 100% with you. What OP managed to infer with his convoluted homophobia is that all adult males are sexually attracted to children. This is NOT a belief I share.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2019 10:05am

Sardonicat wrote: »

I agree 100% with you. What OP managed to infer with his convoluted homophobia is that all adult males are sexually attracted to children. This is NOT a belief I share.

Ah I get you.

I’d like that poster to simply spell out their belief rather than pussyfooting around it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-06-2019 10:10am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Would he?

Why do someone think he is attracted to adults at all? Because he’s married to a woman, right? But we already know people can get married for reasons other than sexual attraction.

We know they’re attracted to children boys/girls. That’s a separate category from people who are attracted to adult men/women.

Not necessarily - people can be attracted to more than one category of people. Why do you think it has to be exclusive?

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2019 10:14am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not necessarily - people can be attracted to more than one category of people. Why do you think it has to be exclusive?

Now that you mention it, you’re right. Lots of people are attracted to more than one discrete type of person.

I suppose I see attraction to children as a perversion and acting on that attraction is a disgusting crime. So I see it as a completely different category.

spodoinkle · 17-06-2019 10:19am

He (OSullivan) came on to me one night when I was maybe 16-17, also to a friend of mine, he would drive out the roads of Enniskillen at night looking for people to give lifts to

Neyite · 17-06-2019 10:49am

Sullivan's mother was still alive when he was murdered. How could she let her son turn into a child-rapist?

Eh?

So every rapist out there, their mother is to blame for letting them?

FFS.

MrFresh · 17-06-2019 11:21am

political analyst wrote: »

I know because a man who has a healthy sexual relationship with a woman wouldn't have inclination to stick his penis into a boy's anus.

You don't understand anything about this topic. First of all, people can have multiple preferences. So being attracted to women doesn't prevent there being another attraction present. Second, all child molestation isn't about attraction to underage people. Sometimes it's just about the act and picking a vulnerable victim.

Der Stier wrote: »

No need, the law will take care of these guys, unlike the grooming gangs in the UK of a certain religious persuasion that they covered up and enabled for years....

Wasn't he arrested for interfering with ongoing court cases?

political analyst · 17-06-2019 12:56pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

But he would have an inclination to stick it into a little girl!?

What I mean is that an accusation would be more credible if the alleged victim is a girl.

political analyst · 17-06-2019 12:57pm

Neyite wrote: »

Eh?

So every rapist out there, their mother is to blame for letting them?

FFS.

She brought him up - she let him become a monster.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-06-2019 1:00pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

You can't fault a parent for their child becoming one of the philes, unless said parent performed said acts on their own child. And as much as people may not want to think it, it does happen and most likely someone you know has been involved at some stage.

That’s the thing and it’s a disturbing thought. Someone could be an exemplary parent and their child might still grow up to be a paedophile. :eek:

Neyite · 17-06-2019 2:17pm

political analyst wrote: »

She brought him up - she let him become a monster.

By that logic we can blame his father too...

Sardonicat · 17-06-2019 2:59pm

political analyst wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

But he would have an inclination to stick it into a little girl!?

What I mean is that an accusation would be more credible if the alleged victim is a girl.

How so? You seem to think that adults with a sexual attraction to children fall along hetero/homo lines. This is nor the case. For most the attraction is to an undeveloped body and more importantly, the defenceless of a child.The priest and prolific child rapist, Oliver O'Grady, deliberately instigated a sexual affair with a woman so he could get access to her son to rape.

Samuel T. Cogley · 17-06-2019 3:18pm

I expect it's more about the power dynamic than the sex of the victim.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-06-2019 3:05pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That’s the thing and it’s a disturbing thought. Someone could be an exemplary parent and their child might still grow up to be a paedophile. :eek:

Therein lies the question (that no one ever seems to want to answer): is someone a) born a pedophile; or do they b) develop into a pedophile via certain cultural and societal influences?

If the answer is a - then you can't really blame the parents (and it also turns the attention to the elephant in the room)
If the answer is b - then surely we should be trying to work out what these are rather than blaming the parents?

MrFresh · 18-06-2019 3:11pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Therein lies the question (that no one ever seems to want to answer): is someone a) born a pedophile; or do they b) develop into a pedophile via certain cultural and societal influences?

If the answer is a - then you can't really blame the parents (and it also turns the attention to the elephant in the room)
If the answer is b - then surely we should be trying to work out what these are rather than blaming the parents?

Can be either.

Alleged paedophile ring in Fermanagh.

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