US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

aloyisious · 27-03-2018 2:21am

Has anyone heard/have info on this mystery train in China mentioned on CNN news which is reputed to have Kim on board?

cnocbui · 27-03-2018 12:35pm

Let's all hope for a murder on the Orient express.

27-03-2018 12:58pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Let's all hope for a murder on the Orient express.

Kim dying won't remove the problem. Someone else will simply replace him, and likely continue the same. Anyway, the US won't stop with Kim. They'll be aiming to "free" the N.Korean people from that system of government.

cnocbui · 27-03-2018 1:18pm

So Spain reverted to tyrany after the death of Franco?

Cheerful Spring · 27-03-2018 3:25pm

aloyisious wrote: »

Has anyone heard/have info on this mystery train in China mentioned on CNN news which is reputed to have Kim on board?

I heard about it sources have said it was Kim visiting.

Hande hoche! · 17-04-2018 3:31pm

The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html

17-04-2018 4:07pm

cnocbui wrote: »

So Spain reverted to tyrany after the death of Franco?

You're saying a western culture in Europe is the same as an Asian culture?

Ok....

2 Scoops · 17-04-2018 4:31pm

Hande hoche! wrote: »

The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html

Trump solved the North Korea problem to distract from his stormy scandal at home.

Get woke you guys

Cheerful Spring · 17-04-2018 7:17pm

Hande hoche! wrote: »

The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html

They have not negotiated yet about nukes, this could all unravel after the talks. Trump and Bolton are going to look for denuclearization almost immediately no hanging about kind of thing.

TheValeyard · 17-04-2018 7:25pm

Hande hoche! wrote: »

The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html

Well this is welcome news

Gatling · 17-04-2018 8:18pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Well this is welcome news

Now imagine that turned into reunification

monty_python · 17-04-2018 8:39pm

Be cool if they opened to tourist. I'm looking for a destination for Xmas

17-04-2018 9:22pm

monty_python wrote: »

Be cool if they opened to tourist. I'm looking for a destination for Xmas

They've opened to tourists a number of times. It's still a high risk destination though considering you can be arrested for any number of imaginary crimes. Still, I'd expect them to open up to certain tours later.

There are a number of "approved" tour companies that run from China, who will cater to westerners... You just might not be coming back with them.

derfderf · 17-04-2018 11:32pm

monty_python wrote: »

Be cool if they opened to tourist. I'm looking for a destination for Xmas

Grab me a souvenir poster while you're there please pal.

masculinist · 17-04-2018 11:58pm

derfderf wrote: »

Grab me a souvenir poster while you're there please pal.

If he grabs a poster he'll end up in a dungeon with a lobotomy ...

monty_python · 18-04-2018 1:51am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They've opened to tourists a number of times. It's still a high risk destination though considering you can be arrested for any number of imaginary crimes. Still, I'd expect them to open up to certain tours later.

There are a number of "approved" tour companies that run from China, who will cater to westerners... You just might not be coming back with them.

I meant independent tourist. They are not really open now

aloyisious · 18-04-2018 7:12am

Mike Pompeo was in N/K over the Easter W/end and has opened the talks for Kim and Don meeting in N/K... Reported in the Washington Post last night. I'm paywall blocked so any link I copy & paste won't work here. I'm reading into the secret visit that Kim's surprise train trip to China is connected and China has been the go-between between US & N/K.

ohnonotgmail · 18-04-2018 9:40am

monty_python wrote: »

I meant independent tourist. They are not really open now

have they ever been open to independent tourists?

Hande hoche! · 18-04-2018 10:12am

aloyisious wrote: »

Mike Pompeo was in N/K over the Easter W/end and has opened the talks for Kim and Don meeting in N/K... Reported in the Washington Post last night. I'm paywall blocked so any link I copy & paste won't work here. I'm reading into the secret visit that Kim's surprise train trip to China is connected and China has been the go-between between US & N/K.

Probably a good thing that the CIA is covertly meeting foreign leaders rather
than trying to assassinate them. Interesting times.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43792658

monty_python · 18-04-2018 10:28am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have they ever been open to independent tourists?

Don't think so. I went into Myanmar a few weeks after they opened the land boarders with Thailand and relaxed travel restrictions on tourists

fxotoole · 18-04-2018 1:18pm

masculinist wrote: »

If he grabs a poster he'll end up in a dungeon with a lobotomy ...

That's exactly the point of the joke he was making :rolleyes:

2 Scoops · 26-04-2018 9:59pm

aloyisious · 26-04-2018 10:23pm

You watching CNN now? Defector former NK ambassador talking to HG about Don & Kim, and the issue of NK weaponry amongst other NK issues...........

Cheerful Spring · 26-04-2018 11:46pm

2 Scoops wrote: »

They have replaced the North Korean leader with an imposter;)

humberklog · 27-04-2018 1:34am

Anyone else watching the summit?

That's some racket the band are playing.

Jeff2 · 27-04-2018 1:46am

humberklog wrote: »

Anyone else watching the summit?

That's some racket the band are playing.

On sky news and it is not a chance it is live as it says.

humberklog · 27-04-2018 1:54am

Jeff2 wrote: »

On sky news and it is not a chance it is live as it says.

Sky, BBC and CNN all look in synch. Why not live?

Vincent Vega · 27-04-2018 4:25am

Probably deserves a thread of it's own but here's a live stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ElQTMwBYwA

27-04-2018 6:45am

Seoul said Kim Jong Un apologised to Moon for interrupting his sleep following North Korea’s nuclear tests last year, when Moon had to convene security council meetings in the early hours of the morning.

“We won’t interrupt your early morning sleep anymore,” said Kim, reiterating an earlier promise to stop carrying out nuclear missile tests.

What am I reading. Mad morning.

silverharp · 27-04-2018 7:10am

well done president Trump

27-04-2018 7:31am

silverharp wrote: »

well done president Trump

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/26/world/korea-summit-kang-kyung-wha-amanpour-intl/index.html

(CNN)South Korea's foreign minister has said she believes President Donald Trump is largely responsible for bringing North Korean leader Kim Jong-un to the negotiating table.

Speaking ahead of Friday's historic summit between the leaders of North and South Korea, Kang Kyung-wha told CNN that the US President had played a significant role in bringing the two sides together.
"Clearly, credit goes to President Trump," Kang told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in Seoul. "He's been determined to come to grips with this from day one."

I'm sure everyone else on here has a better idea of Trump's involvement than South Korea's foreign minister.

Jimbob1977 · 27-04-2018 7:46am

Even if the meeting produces no real progress, it's a step in the right direction.

Cuba will open up. China and Vietnam are trading with the West. There's benefit to the North Koreans from opening up.

2 Scoops · 27-04-2018 8:03am

How will he find room for the Nobel peace prize in the oval office?

I'm still skeptical since it was only months ago NK were launching missiles but it sure is amazing to see such progress being made. If NK do denuclearize Trump's legacy as President will be deemed successful.

PistolsAtDawn · 27-04-2018 8:14am

2 Scoops wrote: »

How will he find room for the Nobel peace prize in the oval office?

I'm still skeptical since it was only months ago NK were launching missiles but it sure is amazing to see such progress being made. If NK do denuclearize Trump's legacy as President will be deemed successful.

True, but to be honest if this works out he would deserve the Nobel peace prize more than Obama did who was oddly awarded the prize while overseeing a massive drone program in the Middle East.

Bob24 · 27-04-2018 8:35am

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

True, but to be honest if this works out he would deserve the Nobel peace prize more than Obama did who was oddly awarded the prize while overseeing a massive drone program in the Middle East.

Agree, I would like to see it work first and foremost for world peace but also for my own entertainment to see how Democrats and the likes of CNN/the NYT react in the US :-D

But to be honest for now what I still see as the highest probability is that it is some kind of role playing game whereby everyone is acting as if all was fine to purse their personal agenda; which might not lead to any result in the end.

suicide_circus · 27-04-2018 8:40am

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

True, but to be honest if this works out he would deserve the Nobel peace prize more than Obama did who was oddly awarded the prize while overseeing a massive drone program in the Middle East.

Yeah but being black Obama overcome massive adversity and SYSTEMIC RACISM to become president and be in a position to sanction drone strikes which surely deserves an award of some kind

Wanderer78 · 27-04-2018 8:42am

Great development, best of luck to them

Fiery mutant · 27-04-2018 8:48am

It would be great to see this progress and North Korea open up into an open and flourishing state. It’s a place i’d love to visit, maybe this is the start of the process.

Wanderer78 · 27-04-2018 8:52am

Fiery mutant wrote:

It would be great to see this progress and North Korea open up into an open and flourishing state. Itâ€™s a place iâ€™d love to visit, maybe this is the start of the process.

It could be but let's not get ahead of ourselves, currently sounds like a very interesting place to visit, Henry Rollins has some interesting stories about visiting the place a few years ago

Gatling · 27-04-2018 9:10am

Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK

Wanderer78 · 27-04-2018 9:16am

Gatling wrote:

Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK

The reality is, all stakeholders are 'planning behind the scenes', always be wary!

ohnonotgmail · 27-04-2018 9:26am

Gatling wrote: »

Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK

you think china doesn;t want peace between the two Koreas?

Fiery mutant · 27-04-2018 9:29am

I think it may be more of a fear of the two Koreas becoming more friendly, and China losing some of its influence.

Bob24 · 27-04-2018 9:34am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you think china doesn;t want peace between the two Koreas?

TBH, as far as China is concerned the most important thing by far is to not have US troops at its border. Pretty much everything else is a parameter in the strategy to achieve that goal and can be adjusted as required (having a divided neighbour and a communist buffer between China and a capitalist country is an added bonus they won’t mind preserving though, but to me the primary goal is to keep US troops away).

fergiesfolly · 27-04-2018 9:41am

Of course the avoidance of any conflict and particularly a nuclear one is to be welcomed. But a peaceful resolution on the Korean peninsula is likely to leave Kim and his descendants in power for decades to come. And that won't do the people of NK any good at all.
I cannot see the North agreeing to a reduction of their military or a democratisation of their political system. So the starving masses of the country will continue to suffer under this regime.

Elmer Blooker · 27-04-2018 9:47am

silverharp wrote: »

well done president Trump

What? I don't know if this is sarcasm?
When Trump was threatening to incinerate North Korea it was Russia and China who were calling for dialogue and not a military escalation.

Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK

The conspiracy theory forum is that way

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Captain Obvious · 27-04-2018 9:53am

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I think it may be more of a fear of the two Koreas becoming more friendly, and China losing some of its influence.

China's biggest fear would be the US and SK invading NK. They would lose their buffer. I've no doubt they told NK to make nice so this doesn't happen. If NK is a nuclear power with the ability to strike the US, they are in a much better place for negotiations too. They'll make some token gestures to get sanctions reduced.

Gatling · 27-04-2018 10:08am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you think china doesn;t want peace between the two Koreas?

No the biggest threat to China isn't US troops on it's borders.
But a unified and democracatic Korea would be create a military threat to China as well as a massive economic threat on their door step.

Some of the plans announced Could lead to a unification

ohnonotgmail · 27-04-2018 10:09am

Gatling wrote: »

No the biggest threat to China isn't US troops on it's borders.
But a unified and democracatic Korea would be create a military threat to China as well as a massive economic threat on their door step.

I think we are a very long way away from a unified Korea.

27-04-2018 6:21pm

Gatling wrote: »

No the biggest threat to China isn't US troops on it's borders.
But a unified and democracatic Korea would be create a military threat to China as well as a massive economic threat on their door step.

Some of the plans announced Could lead to a unification

Both are unlikely scenarios, The Chinese could muster a much larger force that Korea could ever contemplate mustering, then why would Korea attack China?
Any possible future reunification would be conditional on the US removing its forces from SK as a first step. Without that condition China would stop it dead.

And as for economic threat, it would be Korea that is being threatened by the massively growing Chinese manufacturing industry in quality products that SK excels in.

US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

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