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US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,986 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Has anyone heard/have info on this mystery train in China mentioned on CNN news which is reputed to have Kim on board?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Let's all hope for a murder on the Orient express.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Let's all hope for a murder on the Orient express.

    Kim dying won't remove the problem. Someone else will simply replace him, and likely continue the same. Anyway, the US won't stop with Kim. They'll be aiming to "free" the N.Korean people from that system of government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    So Spain reverted to tyrany after the death of Franco?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Has anyone heard/have info on this mystery train in China mentioned on CNN news which is reputed to have Kim on board?

    I heard about it sources have said it was Kim visiting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cnocbui wrote: »
    So Spain reverted to tyrany after the death of Franco?

    You're saying a western culture in Europe is the same as an Asian culture?

    Ok....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html

    Trump solved the North Korea problem to distract from his stormy scandal at home.

    Get woke you guys


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html

    They have not negotiated yet about nukes, this could all unravel after the talks. Trump and Bolton are going to look for denuclearization almost immediately no hanging about kind of thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,726 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    The North and South might be declaring an end to the war ahead of a summit.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html

    Well this is welcome news

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Well this is welcome news

    Now imagine that turned into reunification


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭monty_python


    Be cool if they opened to tourist. I'm looking for a destination for Xmas


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Be cool if they opened to tourist. I'm looking for a destination for Xmas

    They've opened to tourists a number of times. It's still a high risk destination though considering you can be arrested for any number of imaginary crimes. Still, I'd expect them to open up to certain tours later.

    There are a number of "approved" tour companies that run from China, who will cater to westerners... You just might not be coming back with them. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    Be cool if they opened to tourist. I'm looking for a destination for Xmas

    Grab me a souvenir poster while you're there please pal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    derfderf wrote: »
    Grab me a souvenir poster while you're there please pal.

    If he grabs a poster he'll end up in a dungeon with a lobotomy ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭monty_python


    They've opened to tourists a number of times. It's still a high risk destination though considering you can be arrested for any number of imaginary crimes. Still, I'd expect them to open up to certain tours later.

    There are a number of "approved" tour companies that run from China, who will cater to westerners... You just might not be coming back with them. :D

    I meant independent tourist. They are not really open now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,986 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Mike Pompeo was in N/K over the Easter W/end and has opened the talks for Kim and Don meeting in N/K... Reported in the Washington Post last night. I'm paywall blocked so any link I copy & paste won't work here. I'm reading into the secret visit that Kim's surprise train trip to China is connected and China has been the go-between between US & N/K.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I meant independent tourist. They are not really open now

    have they ever been open to independent tourists?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Mike Pompeo was in N/K over the Easter W/end and has opened the talks for Kim and Don meeting in N/K... Reported in the Washington Post last night. I'm paywall blocked so any link I copy & paste won't work here. I'm reading into the secret visit that Kim's surprise train trip to China is connected and China has been the go-between between US & N/K.


    Probably a good thing that the CIA is covertly meeting foreign leaders rather
    than trying to assassinate them. Interesting times.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43792658


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭monty_python


    have they ever been open to independent tourists?

    Don't think so. I went into Myanmar a few weeks after they opened the land boarders with Thailand and relaxed travel restrictions on tourists


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    If he grabs a poster he'll end up in a dungeon with a lobotomy ...

    That's exactly the point of the joke he was making :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    nfMHqVI.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,986 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    You watching CNN now? Defector former NK ambassador talking to HG about Don & Kim, and the issue of NK weaponry amongst other NK issues...........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    nfMHqVI.png

    They have replaced the North Korean leader with an imposter;)


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Anyone else watching the summit?

    That's some racket the band are playing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    humberklog wrote: »
    Anyone else watching the summit?

    That's some racket the band are playing.

    On sky news and it is not a chance it is live as it says.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    On sky news and it is not a chance it is live as it says.

    Sky, BBC and CNN all look in synch. Why not live?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Vincent Vega


    Probably deserves a thread of it's own but here's a live stream.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seoul said Kim Jong Un apologised to Moon for interrupting his sleep following North Korea’s nuclear tests last year, when Moon had to convene security council meetings in the early hours of the morning.

    “We won’t interrupt your early morning sleep anymore,” said Kim, reiterating an earlier promise to stop carrying out nuclear missile tests.



    What am I reading. Mad morning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    well done president Trump

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    silverharp wrote: »
    well done president Trump

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/26/world/korea-summit-kang-kyung-wha-amanpour-intl/index.html

    (CNN)South Korea's foreign minister has said she believes President Donald Trump is largely responsible for bringing North Korean leader Kim Jong-un to the negotiating table.

    Speaking ahead of Friday's historic summit between the leaders of North and South Korea, Kang Kyung-wha told CNN that the US President had played a significant role in bringing the two sides together.
    "Clearly, credit goes to President Trump," Kang told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in Seoul. "He's been determined to come to grips with this from day one."



    I'm sure everyone else on here has a better idea of Trump's involvement than South Korea's foreign minister.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    Even if the meeting produces no real progress, it's a step in the right direction.

    Cuba will open up. China and Vietnam are trading with the West. There's benefit to the North Koreans from opening up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    How will he find room for the Nobel peace prize in the oval office?

    I'm still skeptical since it was only months ago NK were launching missiles but it sure is amazing to see such progress being made. If NK do denuclearize Trump's legacy as President will be deemed successful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭PistolsAtDawn


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    How will he find room for the Nobel peace prize in the oval office?

    I'm still skeptical since it was only months ago NK were launching missiles but it sure is amazing to see such progress being made. If NK do denuclearize Trump's legacy as President will be deemed successful.

    True, but to be honest if this works out he would deserve the Nobel peace prize more than Obama did who was oddly awarded the prize while overseeing a massive drone program in the Middle East.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    True, but to be honest if this works out he would deserve the Nobel peace prize more than Obama did who was oddly awarded the prize while overseeing a massive drone program in the Middle East.

    Agree, I would like to see it work first and foremost for world peace but also for my own entertainment to see how Democrats and the likes of CNN/the NYT react in the US :-D

    But to be honest for now what I still see as the highest probability is that it is some kind of role playing game whereby everyone is acting as if all was fine to purse their personal agenda; which might not lead to any result in the end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    True, but to be honest if this works out he would deserve the Nobel peace prize more than Obama did who was oddly awarded the prize while overseeing a massive drone program in the Middle East.
    Yeah but being black Obama overcome massive adversity and SYSTEMIC RACISM to become president and be in a position to sanction drone strikes which surely deserves an award of some kind


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Great development, best of luck to them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    It would be great to see this progress and North Korea open up into an open and flourishing state. It’s a place i’d love to visit, maybe this is the start of the process.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    It would be great to see this progress and North Korea open up into an open and flourishing state. It’s a place i’d love to visit, maybe this is the start of the process.


    It could be but let's not get ahead of ourselves, currently sounds like a very interesting place to visit, Henry Rollins has some interesting stories about visiting the place a few years ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Gatling wrote:
    Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK


    The reality is, all stakeholders are 'planning behind the scenes', always be wary!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Gatling wrote: »
    Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK


    you think china doesn;t want peace between the two Koreas?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    I think it may be more of a fear of the two Koreas becoming more friendly, and China losing some of its influence.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    you think china doesn;t want peace between the two Koreas?

    TBH, as far as China is concerned the most important thing by far is to not have US troops at its border. Pretty much everything else is a parameter in the strategy to achieve that goal and can be adjusted as required (having a divided neighbour and a communist buffer between China and a capitalist country is an added bonus they won’t mind preserving though, but to me the primary goal is to keep US troops away).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Of course the avoidance of any conflict and particularly a nuclear one is to be welcomed. But a peaceful resolution on the Korean peninsula is likely to leave Kim and his descendants in power for decades to come. And that won't do the people of NK any good at all.
    I cannot see the North agreeing to a reduction of their military or a democratisation of their political system. So the starving masses of the country will continue to suffer under this regime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    silverharp wrote: »
    well done president Trump
    What? I don't know if this is sarcasm?
    When Trump was threatening to incinerate North Korea it was Russia and China who were calling for dialogue and not a military escalation.
    Wonder what the Chinese government are planning behind the scenes ,i get the feelings if this goes too well a localised conflict could break needing a Chinese intervention inside of NK
    The conspiracy theory forum is that way
    >


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    I think it may be more of a fear of the two Koreas becoming more friendly, and China losing some of its influence.

    China's biggest fear would be the US and SK invading NK. They would lose their buffer. I've no doubt they told NK to make nice so this doesn't happen. If NK is a nuclear power with the ability to strike the US, they are in a much better place for negotiations too. They'll make some token gestures to get sanctions reduced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    you think china doesn;t want peace between the two Koreas?

    No the biggest threat to China isn't US troops on it's borders.
    But a unified and democracatic Korea would be create a military threat to China as well as a massive economic threat on their door step.


    Some of the plans announced Could lead to a unification


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Gatling wrote: »
    No the biggest threat to China isn't US troops on it's borders.
    But a unified and democracatic Korea would be create a military threat to China as well as a massive economic threat on their door step.

    I think we are a very long way away from a unified Korea.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gatling wrote: »
    No the biggest threat to China isn't US troops on it's borders.
    But a unified and democracatic Korea would be create a military threat to China as well as a massive economic threat on their door step.


    Some of the plans announced Could lead to a unification
    Both are unlikely scenarios, The Chinese could muster a much larger force that Korea could ever contemplate mustering, then why would Korea attack China?
    Any possible future reunification would be conditional on the US removing its forces from SK as a first step. Without that condition China would stop it dead.

    And as for economic threat, it would be Korea that is being threatened by the massively growing Chinese manufacturing industry in quality products that SK excels in.


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