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October 2018 Boards weather forecast contest

  • 28-09-2018 1:37pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭


    1. Predict the "IMT" (Irish Mean Temperature), an average for five locations, Claremorris, Mullingar, Casement, Oak Park and Shannon, for October. The average for 1981-2010 was 10.1 C.

    2. Predict the MAX, highest temperature at any of 25 reporting stations as listed on the met.ie website under "yesterday's weather" during the month of October.

    3. Predict the MIN, lowest temperature at any of 25 reporting stations as listed on the met.ie website under "yesterday's weather" during the month of October.

    4. Predict the PRC, average precip for eleven locations including the five listed above in addition to Malin Head, Ballyhaise, Belmullet, Johnstown Castle, Cork and Valentia, as a percentage of normal (which would be 100%).

    5. Predict the SUN, average sunshine for six locations (Belmullet, Casement, Dublin, Shannon, Cork, Valentia) as a percentage of normal.

    6. BONUS: What will be the low maximum temperature for 31st October, and at what location? Seven points for the temperature, three for location and superbonus available. Location points will be three for exact, two for any of three next lowest, one point for any location colder than Gurteen.

    Here is the entry for NormaL ...

    NormaL _______ 10.1 _ 20.2 _ -2.7 _ 100 _ 100 _ 6.0 (loc'n by climatology)


    Deadline: 0300h Monday 1st of October, penalties same as usual.

    Good luck !!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    sryanbruen _______ 9.4 _ 19.6 _ -3.9 _ 95 _ 95 _ 9.0 Knock Airport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭pauldry


    pauldry______ 10.0_ 20.1 _ -3 _ 90 _ 92_ 11 Malin Hd


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    Artane2002 _______ 9.3 _ 18.7 _ -3.5 _ 110 _ 105 _ 10.2 Knock Airport


  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭sunflower3


    sunflower3 _______ 9.9 _ 19.9 _ -3.5 _ 110 _ 90 _ 10.0 Mullingar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Bsal


    Bsal _______ 9.9 _ 19.0 _ -2.5 _ 101 _ 95 _ 7.0 (Mullingar)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭adam240610


    Adam240610___9.6_19.9_-3.6_90_95_9_mullingar

    On time this time round atleast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭200motels


    200motels
    10.1_ 20.6 _ -3.1 _ 85 _ 90_ 12 Malin Hd


  • Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭dasa29


    dasa29 _______ 9.5 _ 17.5 _ -2.5 _ 105 _ 100 _ 11.0 Mullingar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    john mac _______ 9.8 _ 18.9 _ -2.9 _103 _ 98 _ 9.5 mt dillon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    10.0 ____ 20.0 ____ -4.0 ____ 90 ____ 120 ____ 7.0 Mt. Dillon


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    10.6 _ 21.5 _ --3.8 _ 105 _ 90 __ 8.8 Ballyhaise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭kindredspirit


    Kindred Spirit ___ 9.9 ___ 19.9 ___ -4.5 ___ 93 ___ 103 ___ 8 Mullingar.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,151 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    DOCARCH _______ 10.8 _ 20.3 _ -2.8 _ 85 _ 110 _ 9.3 Ballyhaise


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    mickger844posts_______ 10.5 _ 19.6 _ -2.9 _ 87 _ 110 _ 9.2 Mullingar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    sdanseo _______ 10.2 _ 20.0 _ -3.6 _ 110 _ 101 _ 8.1 Ballyhaise


  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭waterways


    waterways _______ 9.8_ 19.7 _ -5.7 _ 98 _ 103 _ 14.1 (Malin Head)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    Joe Public________9.1 _ 18.7 _ -4.9 _ 88 _ 93 __ 5.8 Dunsany


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    Rameire _______ 9.7 _ 19.8 _ -3.5 _ 89 _ 89 _ 7.9 Mace Head

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Tae laidir _______ 10.1 _ 18.8 _ -3.6 _ 103 _ 93 _ 8.4 Knock


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Dacogawa_____9.9 _ 20.1 _ -3.5 _ 102 _ 78 __ 8.1 Mullingar


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Jpmarn _______ 9.5 _ 19.2 _ -3.7 _ 90 _ 115 _ 7.0 (Knock Airport)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    JCX_BXC__10 _ 20.5 _ -3.7 _ 100 _ 100 _ 6.0_Gurteen

    (Thanks to Syran for the reminder, got it in 2hrs 24mins before the deadline!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭mrskinner


    Mrskinner______9.9_____19.9_____-0.9_____99_____99_____9(Knock)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Table of forecasts for October 2018


    FORECASTER ____________ IMT _ MAX _ MIN _ PRC _ SUN ____ Low max 31st


    DOCARCH ______________ 10.8 _ 20.3 _ -2.8 _ 085 _ 110 _____ 9.3 Ballyhaise

    M.T. Cranium ____________10.6 _ 21.5 _ -3.8 _ 105 _ 090 _____ 8.8 Ballyhaise

    mickger844posts _________10.5 _ 19.6 _ -2.9 _ 087 _ 110 _____ 9.2 Mullingar

    sdanseo ________________10.2 _ 20.0 _ -3.6 _ 110 _ 101 _____ 8.1 Ballyhaise

    200motels ______________ 10.1 _ 20.6 _ -3.1 _ 085 _ 090 ____ 12.0 Malin Head


    NormaL ________________ 10.1 _ 20.2 _ -2.7 _ 100 _ 100 _____ 6.0 (loc'n by climatology)


    Tae laidir _______________ 10.1 _ 18.8 _ -3.6 _ 103 _ 093 _____ 8.4 Knock

    JCX_BXC _______________ 10.0 _ 20.5 _ -3.7 _ 100 _ 100 _____ 6.0 Gurteen

    pauldry ________________ 10.0 _ 20.1 _ -3.0 _ 090 _ 092 ____ 11.0 Malin Head

    Rikand _________________10.0 _ 20.0 _ -4.0 _ 090 _ 120 _____ 7.0 Mt. Dillon

    Dacogawa _______________ 9.9 _ 20.1 _ -3.5 _ 102 _ 078 _____ 8.1 Mullingar

    MrSkinner _______________ 9.9 _ 19.9 _ -0.9 _ 099 _ 099 _____ 9.0 Knock

    sunflower3 ______________ 9.9 _ 19.9 _ -3.5 _ 110 _ 090 ____ 10.0 Mullingar


    Con Sensus ______________ 9.9 _ 19.9 _ -3.5 _ 097 _ 099 _____ 8.9 Mullingar**


    Kindred Spirit ____________ 9.9 _ 19.9 _ -4.5 _ 093 _ 103 _____ 8.0 Mullingar

    Bsal ____________________9.9 _ 19.0 _ -2.5 _ 101 _ 095 _____ 7.0 Mullingar

    waterways _______________9.8 _ 19.7 _ -5.7 _ 098 _ 103 ____ 14.1 Malin Head

    john mac ________________9.8 _ 18.9 _ -2.9 _ 103 _ 098 _____ 9.5 Mt. Dillon

    Rameire _________________9.7 _ 19.8 _ -3.5 _ 089 _ 089 _____ 7.9 Mace Head

    Adam240610 _____________9.6 _ 19.9 _ -3.6 _ 090 _ 095 _____ 9.0 Mullingar

    Jpmarn _________________ 9.5 _ 19.2 _ -3.7 _ 090 _ 115 _____ 7.0 Knock

    dasa29 __________________9.5 _ 17.5 _ -2.5 _ 105 _ 100 ____ 11.0 Mullingar

    sryanbruen ______________ 9.4 _ 19.6 _ -3.9 _ 095 _ 095 _____ 9.0 Knock

    Artane2002 ______________ 9.3 _ 18.7 _ -3.5 _ 110 _ 105 ____ 10.2 Knock

    Joe Public ________________9.1 _ 18.7 _ -4.9 _ 088 _ 093 _____ 5.8 Dunsany

    BLIZZARD7 _____ (-3) _____ 8.8 _ 18.7 _ -5.0 _ 085 _ 103 _____ 2.3 Mount Dillion

    _______________________________________________________________

    ** For location of low max on 31st,
    ... 7 predict Mullingar (Con gets 3 if correct),
    ... 5 predict Knock and 4 say Mountdillon (Con gets 2 if either correct)
    ... 3 predict Malin Head and also Ballyhaise, and 1 predict Dunsany, Gurteen. (Con gets 1 if any of these are right)

    NormaL will score 3 for any location north of Claremorris to Dublin A inclusive, and 2 for any location central, 1 for any location south.

    Con Sensus has been adjusted now that BLIZZARD7 has entered. The median value of the 24 forecasts is the mean of 12th and 13th ranked.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    BLIZZARD7 _______ 8.8 _ 18.7 _ -5.0 _ 85 _ 103 _ 2.3c Mount Dillion

    Sorry for late entry!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    No problem, table is now complete.


  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Phoenix Park 17.6 max yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Think there was an 18.3c in Roches Pt one of the days

    Anyways MT says it will likely be warmer next week so these shouldnt last


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Report on first week ...

    IMT was 10.6 which is 0.8 below average.

    MAX so far is 18.3 (JC, 2nd), MIN --0.3 (Mullingar, 7th)

    PRC just 50% of normal, Casement the only station above average.

    SUN 67.5% of normal (405/600).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Just for the record, Gurteen briefly took over the MAX yesterday (18.5) but as of 1400h several locations at 20 C. Our two warmest predictions are 21.5 (from me) and 20.6 from 200motels.

    1500h reports include two at 21 C (Finner and Athenry).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Finner has the new MAX at 21.1 C. If that holds, will require some boost from minimum progression but neither 200motels nor myself were close enough to apply the limiting factor (raw scores of 16 and 15).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After two weeks ...

    IMT on 11.7, the second week average was 12.7, which is 1.9 above the normal for the period. Fairly certain that will be back into the high 10s by our next check.

    MAX is now 21.1 (10th, Finner) while the previous MIN was --0.3 at Mullingar on 7th, tied on 14th at Markree (-0.3) as originally posted. That was a morning low and not at midnight on the way down to something colder, but eventually there were three readings of 0 deg this past morning also at Markree, Mountdillon and Mullingar, will have to see if the -0.3 was lowered at any of those locations. (now done, new MIN is --0.5 at Mountdillon, the other two stayed slightly above freezing). -- edit -- this post got changed three times, first I thought I agreed with the next post about -1.2, then realized that was in September not on 7th October. On checking I found another minor error about which stations were in the running for 15th. This is now all fixed up, I hope.

    PRC is now a little above average at 105% with this past week rather wet, all eleven locations above normal and the average 160%. If the weather ran dry to end of the month however, this only guarantees about 50% as October is quite a wet month generally. Not saying it will but the trends are somewhat below normal at least in the next week or so.

    SUN has improved to 85.4% with this past week at 103.3% (620/600). This should continue to improve given the outlook and the rather low average sunshine values in mid to late October.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Thought Mullingar got down to -1.2c on 7th October ...could be wrong though...who am I to say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Confusion at first for me reading the above, but on further checking, that -1.2 was for the month of September and not registered on the 7th, that was -0.3.

    So back to plan A, the new MIN is -0.5 on 15th at Mountdillon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    --2 at Mountdillon, Mullingar, and MTC's back garden (true story, and it's only 11 p.m. here so ... )


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭pauldry


    ogimet has -2.4c Mullingar so see if Mount Dillon beats that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    pauldry wrote: »
    ogimet has -2.4c Mullingar so see if Mount Dillon beats that

    https://twitter.com/MetEireann/status/1052880801895985153


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Our highest sunshine forecast was 120% (Rikand) and our lowest precip forecast was 85% (three shared that, DOCARCH, 200motels and BLIZZARD7). The way things are unfolding, we could reach 135% sunshine and stay down around 70% precip (when I say we, I mean you, as my month looks like 200% sunshine and 10% precip at the rate we're going, one clear day after another for a week now and several more to come). I suspect the IMT will settle back to low 10s by end of month but should remain slightly above normal. MAX almost certainly settled and leads to some scoring boost from minimum progression. MIN of -2.5 might be as low as it goes but several more chances to lower that appear next week.

    Will edit this post if some later model run suggests a change in outlook.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Report after the third week (15th to 21st) ...

    IMT on 11.0 with the past week at 9.6 (0.5 below normal). Current model output suggests this may fall to 9.7 at the end of the month.

    MAX is now 21.1 and MIN is --2.5. The MAX is evidently set but MIN could go a bit lower.

    PRC has fallen to 74% of normal with this past week quite dry at 22% of normal rainfall. This will likely stay around 75% to end the month with some chances for top up amounts after it falls as low as 60% by Thursday evening, looks about normal from there to 31st.

    SUN now on the rise, average is 111.7% after the past week managed a healthy 164.3% (986/600). This should finish at least as high as its current value and perhaps a bit higher, thinking it will be 125% by Thursday, then possibly fall off slightly although you don't need a lot of sunshine in late October to maintain a normal amount.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Gurteen was reporting -4 C overnight, at 0300h and 0400h. Some other locations have fallen to -2 C. The IMT is estimated to be 10.4 after the cold Saturday and will be around 10.2 after today, possibly 10.1 ... so it's almost sure to fall into the 9's now as Monday to Wednesday look quite chilly, perhaps 9.8 for a landing point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭pauldry


    see -4.4c on Ogimet at Gurteen

    So around 2c IMT for the day brrrrrr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    pauldry wrote: »
    see -4.4c on Ogimet at Gurteen

    So around 2c IMT for the day brrrrrr

    Second coldest October day on record then in terms of daily mean back to 2008 at the station.

    p0iDxUM.png

    Data comes from Met Éireann.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Report after four weeks ...

    IMT was barely 10.1 (from 10.06) and looks set to end up around 9.6 now.

    MAX remains 21.1 C.

    MIN at Gurteen yesterday has been slightly revised to --4.5 C.

    PRC now at 69% of normal with this past week only 23%. This may creep up slightly but likely won't reach 75%.

    SUN has made it to 128.5% of normal now with this past week well above normal at 179.5% (1077/600) -- Cork reported an average of 7.2 hours a day and was 256%. That average for the 28 days guarantees an outcome above 116% but there may be rather little to add so it could end up closer to 120%.

    Will post this and perhaps do some commenting on potential scoring soon as most of the values are going to be near the edges of our forecast ranges, then leave final scoring for when we know the bonus result and can confirm the actual values.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Monday lows not quite a match for the MIN, Tuesday (today) I noted -4 C at Dublin so this could produce a rival for the --4.5 we currently have.

    IMT after 29 days was 10.0 C even. Drop did not quite match the raw math (day averaged about 4 C, should have dropped 0.2) so might have been rounding issues at individual stations. Will see what it hits after today and report on that tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Monday lows not quite a match for the MIN, Tuesday (today) I noted -4 C at Dublin so this could produce a rival for the --4.5 we currently have.

    IMT after 29 days was 10.0 C even. Drop did not quite match the raw math (day averaged about 4 C, should have dropped 0.2) so might have been rounding issues at individual stations. Will see what it hits after today and report on that tomorrow.

    It got down to -4.3c according to Ogimet synops which was a new October record low for the station.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    Looks like this October will be one of those months where the mean doesn't tell the full story... it looks like we'll finish below average but you wouldn't know how warm it was at the start from that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    New MIN of --4.7 at Dublin on 30th.

    Now it's on to the bonus question, today's lowest MAX ... currently the lowest temperature is 2 degrees at Moore Park. Lots of fairly sound looking estimates in the contest table of entries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Last day min max appears to be in Malin Head or Knock around 7.5c to 8c


  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Yesterday's low max
    Malin Head 7.7
    Knock. 8.0
    Ballyhaise. 8.5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Okay then, here's some final values from monthly and daily sections, to be confirmed from the MS tomorrow.

    IMT finished on 9.6 C.

    MAX 21.1, MIN --4.7

    PRC 62% of normal

    SUN estimated 120%

    Low max 31st as reported Malin Head 7.7 C (scores three)

    Next three lowest Knock (8.0), Ballyhaise (8.5), Mullingar (8.8) -- these score two

    colder than Gurteen (9.8) also include Athenry, Casement, Dublin, Dunsany, Finner, Markree, Mountdillon, Oak Park, Phoenix Park

    -- any of those will score one point. Johnstown Castle was equal at 9.8.

    ______________________________________________________________

    I will post some provisional scores soon, as I think they will survive to be edited tomorrow if necessary, or the title can be edited if not.

    Adam240610 was right on the money for the IMT.

    Closest to the MAX was MTC (0.4 high).

    Closest to the MIN was a tie between Kindred Spirit (0.2 high) and Joe Public (0.2 low).

    Best we had for PRC was 85%, 23% higher than outcome, from DOCARCH, 200motels and BLIZZARD7.

    SUN was (subject to review) forecast correctly by rikand (120%).

    Closest to the bonus temperature (7.7) was Rameire at 7.9 C.

    The correct location was guessed by 200motels, Pauldry and waterways, although they all figured on a mild pattern where Malin Head would be the logical choice for coldest max.

    The closest forecast to what actually happened at the locations chosen was +0.2 at Mullingar (from Adam240610) although Con Sensus came closer (+0.1). Who needs a supercomputer for long-range forecasting when there is the boards forecast contest?

    Next closest was at Ballyhaise. MTC was +0.3 and sdanseo was --0.4 compared to the actual of 8.5 ... mickger844posts matched the latter with an error of +0.4 at Mullingar. Tae laidir also matched it at Knock (+0.4). Johnmac joined this group with an error of +0.4 for Mountdillon.

    Well done everybody, now it's on to the provisional scoring ...


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