PP now NRNB for Champ Races in C'ham

RivetingRoger · 02-01-2018 12:46pm #1

As of this morning, PP are now NRNB for the Championship races plus the ryanair for the festival
U can get 11/4 for Faugheen in the CH
3/1 for Might Bite in the GC
7/4 for footpad in the arkle
3/1 for UDS/Yorkhill in the Ryanair....

Expect Boyles to follow suit on, oh I dunno, the feckin day maybe.....

redzerdrog · 02-01-2018 12:57pm

Horrible prices

The Mig · 02-01-2018 1:31pm

Arkle isn't a championship race. Ante Post Rules still apply

RivetingRoger · 02-01-2018 2:15pm

The Mig wrote: »

Arkle isn't a championship race. Ante Post Rules still apply

watch this space, by COB today....

Shemale · 02-01-2018 2:54pm

Bet365 are NRNB:

Champion Chase
Champion Hurdle
Ryanair Chase
Stayers Hurdle
Gold Cup Chase

danganabu · 02-01-2018 6:01pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

Horrible prices

Each to their own, I have taken two of those prices and another in the QMCC.

The Mig · 03-01-2018 10:03am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

watch this space, by COB today....

Still watching

RivetingRoger · 09-01-2018 4:00pm

Now NRNB for ALL races

Might Bite still 3/1

handsfree2 · 11-01-2018 3:25pm

The prices are appalling for almost every race. Would people bother placing money on NRNB when the odds are significantly better with other bookies non NRNB?

Copper_pipe · 11-01-2018 4:18pm

You can still request an Antepost price from PP

RivetingRoger · 11-01-2018 4:50pm

handsfree2 wrote: »

The prices are appalling for almost every race. Would people bother placing money on NRNB when the odds are significantly better with other bookies non NRNB?

Is this a serious question?
Because with NRNB if the horse doesn't run, or is sent to a different race, you get your money back.
Remember when Vautour was "Gold cup or nothing" and then last minute they went in Ryanair. If you backed NRNB you get your stake back, if you didnt, you lose your money.
That's why its tighter odds, its like buying insurance
And btw, Mightbite is the same price in PP and Boyles, one is NRNB one isnt

lemush · 11-01-2018 5:34pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Is this a serious question?
Because with NRNB if the horse doesn't run, or is sent to a different race, you get your money back.
Remember when Vautour was "Gold cup or nothing" and then last minute they went in Ryanair. If you backed NRNB you get your stake back, if you didnt, you lose your money.
That's why its tighter odds, its like buying insurance
And btw, Mightbite is the same price in PP and Boyles, one is NRNB one isnt

4/1 and 3/1 are not the same price.

lemush · 11-01-2018 5:36pm

Anyone taking the nrnb prices on show at the minute should give up the game.

dk6dk6 · 11-01-2018 8:58pm

handsfree2 wrote: »

The prices are appalling for almost every race. Would people bother placing money on NRNB when the odds are significantly better with other bookies non NRNB?

Prices are terrible. Samcro 5/4 for the Ballymore just one example, I'll be shocked if he's not bigger than that on the day.

Just look through their champion chase market, it's a joke.

danganabu · 11-01-2018 10:10pm

lemush wrote: »

Anyone taking the nrnb prices on show at the minute should give up the game.

Rubbish, plenty of value to be got with NRNB, in the last two weeks there have been a number of Mullins horses over priced NRNB by Bet365.

lemush · 12-01-2018 3:35am

danganabu wrote: »

Rubbish, plenty of value to be got with NRNB, in the last two weeks there have been a number of Mullins horses over priced NRNB by Bet365.

"At the minute". The PP nrnb markets which I was referring to are an insult.

longshotvalue · 12-01-2018 8:34am

lemush wrote: »

Anyone taking the nrnb prices on show at the minute should give up the game.

Douvan 5/1 NRNB with 365 is massive. Chances are he wont be going but he cant go of anything like that.

lemush · 12-01-2018 12:13pm

aidankkk wrote: »

Douvan 5/1 NRNB with 365 is massive. Chances are he wont be going but he cant go of anything like that.

He won't turn up but even if he did a horse with the problems he has had turning up in a champion chase on the back of a terrible prep in an injury ravaged season is not one I'd want to part any money with at single figures.

handsfree2 · 12-01-2018 1:24pm

aidankkk wrote: »

Douvan 5/1 NRNB with 365 is massive. Chances are he wont be going but he cant go of anything like that.

We were specifically speaking about the PP prices which are an insult.

4/1 yorkhill for the champion hurdle???

Fanny Wank · 12-01-2018 3:43pm

handsfree2 wrote: »

4/1 yorkhill for the champion hurdle???

That is laughable actually

danganabu · 12-01-2018 4:37pm

aidankkk wrote: »

Douvan 5/1 NRNB with 365 is massive. Chances are he wont be going but he cant go of anything like that.

They introduced him at 7s in that market last week which was insane value, up to me onkers in e/w bets at 7s, fully expect to be getting my money back in time for the festival, but if he runs I will have a free bet at 4s or 5s

danganabu · 12-01-2018 4:40pm

handsfree2 wrote: »

We were specifically speaking about the PP prices which are an insult.

4/1 yorkhill for the champion hurdle???

I wouldnt be backing at that price, but I wouldnt like to be laying it much bigger to be honest, if he runs it means Faugheen is out, and apart from the fav then its a horribly weak race in which I wouldnt be willing to lay Yorkhill e/w, and if you go any bigger that 4s or maybe 5s then the e/w thieves will way in.

BumperD · 12-01-2018 6:08pm

If all that be identified are two flaky bets that represent value at this stage then we can conclude ap betting is really for mugs unless you have some inside knowledge

Tying up cash at low prices for 8 weeks makes zero sense to me . With all the offers that come out festival week, hold your powder dry unless you have inside information on a double figures horse that will go off half those odds . Bookies markets are getting very hard to beat in ap, too much stacked against you even with nrnb

stretchaq · 12-01-2018 7:02pm

Douvan 9/1 in boylesports

Urindanger · 12-01-2018 7:40pm

stretchaq wrote: »

Douvan 9/1 in boylesports

Not nrnb though.

danganabu · 12-01-2018 8:55pm

stretchaq wrote: »

Douvan 9/1 in boylesports

Not NRNB so wouldnt back it at 99/1 tbh

danganabu · 12-01-2018 8:56pm

BumperD wrote: »

If all that be identified are two flaky bets that represent value at this stage then we can conclude ap betting is really for mugs unless you have some inside knowledge

Tying up cash at low prices for 8 weeks makes zero sense to me . With all the offers that come out festival week, hold your powder dry unless you have inside information on a double figures horse that will go off half those odds . Bookies markets are getting very hard to beat in ap, too much stacked against you even with nrnb

Flaky??

lemush · 12-01-2018 10:28pm

danganabu wrote: »

They introduced him at 7s in that market last week which was insane value, up to me onkers in e/w bets at 7s, fully expect to be getting my money back in time for the festival, but if he runs I will have a free bet at 4s or 5s

If he turns up he has as much chance of being pulled up than winning.

handsfree2 · 12-01-2018 10:37pm

danganabu wrote: »

Not NRNB so wouldnt back it at 99/1 tbh

I don't understand this logic. 9/1 is effectively 2 bets 5/1 on the win and 4/5 that he shows up. Taking on additional risk makes total sense if you think that you are being adequately compensated for it.

handsfree2 · 12-01-2018 10:43pm

lemush wrote: »

If he turns up he has as much chance of being pulled up than winning.

I'd agree, if anything that hasn't had a prep run is vunerable. In saying that, if anyone could do it, it's Mullins.

danganabu · 12-01-2018 11:05pm

lemush wrote: »

If he turns up he has as much chance of being pulled up than winning.

So? How does that effect my free bet?

lemush · 12-01-2018 11:40pm

danganabu wrote: »

So? How does that effect my free bet?

Free bet? Elaborate. You do realise if he's unplaced you lose your money ya?

BumperD · 13-01-2018 12:03am

danganabu wrote: »

Flaky??

Douvan should be in a hospital he’s got more creaks in him than my grandpa

danganabu · 13-01-2018 12:07am

lemush wrote: »

Free bet? Elaborate. You do realise if he's unplaced you lose your money ya?

You understand how the exchanges work yes?? What price do you think he will trade at the morning of the race if lining up?

danganabu · 13-01-2018 12:10am

BumperD wrote: »

Douvan should be in a hospital he’s got more creaks in him than my grandpa

Please tell me more, you are obviously better informed than the rest of us, what are all these injuries he has had, and why on earth would Mullins run him if he didnt think he had him at lest 90%

Slattsy · 13-01-2018 12:17am

danganabu wrote: »

Please tell me more, you are obviously better informed than the rest of us, what are all these injuries he has had, and why on earth would Mullins run him if he didnt think he had him at lest 90%

Lets take last years Champion Chase as a prime example...

lemush · 13-01-2018 12:20am

danganabu wrote: »

You understand how the exchanges work yes?? What price do you think he will trade at the morning of the race if lining up?

You backed him each way at 7/1 in order to trade on the day?! Jesus Christ. You have just backed him to place at about half the price he would be to place on the exchange on the day of the race. If they all turn up he'll be trading 5+ in the win market on the day, with his injury problems, interrupted campaign and no prep run the layers will be out in force.

danganabu · 13-01-2018 1:17am

lemush wrote: »

You backed him each way at 7/1 in order to trade on the day?! Jesus Christ. You have just backed him to place at about half the price he would be to place on the exchange on the day of the race. If they all turn up he'll be trading 5+ in the win market on the day, with his injury problems, interrupted campaign and no prep run the layers will be out in force.

Douvan at 5s on the day lol you are absolutley mental

danganabu · 13-01-2018 1:19am

Slattsy wrote: »

Lets take last years Champion Chase as a prime example...

How is that in any way comparable or relevant, he was not coming back from any setback at the time, apples and oranges, Mullins will not run him unless he is compleltely satisfied he is back to or very near his best, this is not some handicaper we are talking about, its amazing how quickly people forget how incredibly good this horse is.

Slattsy · 13-01-2018 1:38am

danganabu wrote: »

How is that in any way comparable or relevant, he was not coming back from any setback at the time, apples and oranges, Mullins will not run him unless he is compleltely satisfied he is back to or very near his best, this is not some handicaper we are talking about, its amazing how quickly people forget how incredibly good this horse is.

There was a lot of talk (no smoke without fire and look how true it turned out eh) that he wasn't right last year, yet Mullins ran him, he finished tailed off, and hasn't ran since.

Quite comparable I'd say.

BumperD · 13-01-2018 1:58am

danganabu wrote: »

Please tell me more, you are obviously better informed than the rest of us, what are all these injuries he has had, and why on earth would Mullins run him if he didnt think he had him at lest 90%

I think you have utterly missed the Point. Name all these value horses in the ap market, forget the flaky Douvan that you’ve backed.

lemush · 13-01-2018 2:58am

danganabu wrote: »

Douvan at 5s on the day lol you are absolutley mental

5+ on the exchange is what I said, which the last time I checked isn't "5s". To quote your good self, "you do know how the exchange works yes?" Enjoy your each way trade lol.

Backstreet Moyes · 13-01-2018 9:17am

What is their to beat in the Champion Chase?

Altior hasn't been seen this season and he is not 100% to make it.

If Douvan turns up he will be around 9/4, if Altior doesn't turn up he will be Evs.

Wouldn't put anyone off backing him at 5's.

lemush · 13-01-2018 10:10am

Nuts102 wrote: »

What is their to beat in the Champion Chase?

Altior hasn't been seen this season and he is not 100% to make it.

If Douvan turns up he will be around 9/4, if Altior doesn't turn up he will be Evs.

Wouldn't put anyone off backing him at 5's.

Altior and Politologue could be missing, Colin Tizzard himself could be riding Fox Norton and Douvan still wouldn't be even money. The horse has more holes in him than the titanic.

RivetingRoger · 13-01-2018 11:11am

People saying 4/1 NRNB for Yorkhill in CH is a horrible price??

What planet are ye on!

IF Yorkhill runs, it means Faugheen doesn't run
It means its effectively a match between these 2 with Melon, Tent and a few others fighting it out for 3rd in my opinion. Yorkhill would give BD loads and could very well beat it!! I think BD's win against a piss poor field in Newcastle is making people think it is a Faugheen/Hurricane Fly class horse...its not!

If Yorkhill runs in the CH w/o faugheen you wont get anything like 4/1! You will get 2/1 at best.
And, if Faugheen runs, and Yorkhill doesn't, you get your money back.....

WickIow Brave · 13-01-2018 11:14am

lemush wrote: »

Altior and Politologue could be missing, Colin Tizzard himself could be riding Fox Norton and Douvan still wouldn't be even money. The horse has more holes in him than the titanic.

Lol what?? You are aware he went off 2/9 last year? And he was like 5 lengths off the lead jumping the last? With a fractured pelvis. He wasn't exactly tailed off now. If he lines up that means he's fit and well and if there's no Altior and no Yorkhill, there is no chance he'll be much bigger than even money.

RivetingRoger · 13-01-2018 11:27am

I backed faugheen douvan double nrnb with EXCELLENT prices, and if they both turn up, u can be sure they wont be close to those prices
And if they don't...........money back

danganabu · 13-01-2018 12:40pm

Was getting very worried about this thread until the last few comments, glad that there are some that can see value when its there. 7/1 Douvan NRNB and 4/1 Faugheen NRNB are two of the bets of the season and I wouldnt swap them for anything in the current Cheltenham markets.

Slattsy · 13-01-2018 1:24pm

What is the jazz with Altior anyway? Wind op shouldn't keep him out for this long. Is there chat of him missing Cheltenham?

lemush · 13-01-2018 1:27pm

WickIow Brave wrote: »

Lol what?? You are aware he went off 2/9 last year? And he was like 5 lengths off the lead jumping the last? With a fractured pelvis. He wasn't exactly tailed off now. If he lines up that means he's fit and well and if there's no Altior and no Yorkhill, there is no chance he'll be much bigger than even money.

That's one of the worst comparisons ever made. How is last years Douvan, the imperious horse with a record of 13/13 for Mullins the same horse as this year's Douvan who broke his pelvis in the race last year, is apparently bleeding at home and can't be kept sound to even get to the racecourse.
Being fit and well doesn't mean a horse is right and nobody not even Mullins will know until after the race. You cannot replicate a race at home or at a racecourse gallop. The layers will be falling over themselves to take him on. It's all immaterial anyway as he won't be seen again imho.

handsfree2 · 13-01-2018 1:47pm

lemush wrote: »

That's one of the worst comparisons ever made. How is last years Douvan, the imperious horse with a record of 13/13 for Mullins the same horse as this year's Douvan who broke his pelvis in the race last year, is apparently bleeding at home and can't be kept sound to even get to the racecourse.
Being fit and well doesn't mean a horse is right and nobody not even Mullins will know until after the race. You cannot replicate a race at home or at a racecourse gallop. The layers will be falling over themselves to take him on. It's all immaterial anyway as he won't be seen again imho.

Do you have a reliable source that douvan is bleeding at home?

PP now NRNB for Champ Races in C'ham

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