Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

False Prophet · 01-06-2021 10:02pm

One of the biggest arguments against any previous contact from Aliens is the fact that trump didn't release info on twitter. No chance that he wouldn't have mentioned it as it would have been a big vote winner for him (Others hiding the truth from them etc).

For me these UFOs are secret military projects etc that are testing other miltary sides defences.
I don't believe that aliens are smart enough to fly through space but cant remain hidden from our puny technology.

Beechwoodspark · 01-06-2021 10:13pm

I don’t think they would’ve given trump the “full story” regardless

The security agencies had a very low opinion of him from day 1

steddyeddy · 01-06-2021 10:24pm

Presidents don't get briefed on everything. Only the essentials and what they ask for. Otherwise they'd be sitting in briefings all day. When I was employed by the DOE there were thousands of projects (black or unclassified, with or without oversight) that were carried out. Very little of what was worked on went all of the way to the top. Even the DOE's nuclear (weapons or energy) programs in Los Alamos.

jmlad2020 · 01-06-2021 10:53pm

Trump (if he was even briefed on UFOs) likely signed a disclosure agreement promising not to disclose such secret info.

All past Presidents refuse to speak about what they know during interviews, which is likely as much as the Pentagon i.e Not much judging from recent reports.

I doubt Trump could have been trusted with anything and was only briefed on the surface details. Trump is the kind of guy to release a "deathbed disclosure" maybe we'll get that.

Fuzzyduzzy · 01-06-2021 10:59pm

Was it not Trump who signed off for this report to be carried out and also introduced space force? Maybe I'm just putting 2 + 2 together but all this has blown up since shortly after his presidency. Perhaps the grips of secrecy loosened a bit after the previous administrations' (Obama, Bush etc.) similar approach

Beechwoodspark · 01-06-2021 11:05pm

There’s no way the security/intelligence agencies were trusting the Donald with the “real full story”

MadYaker · 02-06-2021 12:25am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s no way the security/intelligence agencies were trusting the Donald with the “real full story”

Why assume there even is a full story? I love how everyone, even the sceptics, just assume that the Americans are telling the truth here and not simply making all this up. Why is this only coming from exclusively American sources? Am I the only person who thinks that's a bit suspicious?

Everyone is discussing the videos and witness testimony as if it's factual but we have no way to be sure of that.

Onion Bahji · 02-06-2021 12:31am

Fake News

LMHC · 02-06-2021 12:35am

Aliens lads really? I'm after smoking 3 Harry's in the last 45 minutes and even in my stoned state this is a bit of a push.

Hamsterchops · 02-06-2021 6:10am

MadYaker wrote: »

I love how everyone, even the sceptics, just assume that the Americans are telling the truth here and not simply making all this up. Why is this only coming from exclusively American sources? Am I the only person who thinks that's a bit suspicious?

Everyone is discussing the videos and witness testimony as if it's factual but we have no way to be sure of that.

There are of course worldwide accounts of unknown aerial phenomon going back decades, if not longer, but this report to Congress will presumably concentrate on data collected within the United States? Skeptics will say FAKE NEWS, believers will say Aliens, Jesus freaks will say it's divine intervention by God ... but then, if you can stand back, listen to the evidence, watch Cmdr Alex Dietrich or Chad Underwood or Dave Fravor being interviewed, listen to ex President Obama & just entertain the idea that when you discount 90% of sightings as explainable & identifiable, there is still about 10% of stuff that is head scratching.

I think it was Dietrich who said that if one of these things was to land on the Whitehouse lawn skeptics would still not accept it as being real.

Personally I think the report will show that there is indeed some kind of unknown aerial phenomon which has been captured on film and witnessed by many professional people, but I suspect that's as far as they can or will go at this stage (because they don't know what it is themselves).

By the way, I don't think it's aliens from another world, but there's something buzzing around up there and it ain't bees!

yourdeadwright · 02-06-2021 11:44am

I see Neil deGrasse Tyson saying the same thing Iv been saying that in this day age to claim these thing and not have a single good photo is ridicules & nonsense ,

Even the likes of goggle satellites would pick them up ?

lintdrummer · 02-06-2021 11:56am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I see Neil deGrasse Tyson saying the same thing Iv been saying that in this day age to claim these thing and not have a single good photo is ridicules & nonsense ,

Even the likes of goggle satellites would pick them up ?

Satellites would most likely not pick them up. When you zoom in on google maps, you're looking at aerial photography from aircraft, the satellite imagery can only see so much detail.

I've said it before but the US probably have better quality images that they haven't released to the public. Blurry images and radar/night vision images are obtuse enough that you can put the information out without causing widespread panic, which is likely what you would achieve by disclosing high definition photographs of something you can't explain.

Edit to add: I haven't got much time for Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's a condescending know it all who puts his opinion out as fact and people eat it up because he's a celebrity scientist.

nocoverart · 02-06-2021 12:44pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I see Neil deGrasse Tyson saying the same thing Iv been saying that in this day age to claim these thing and not have a single good photo is ridicules & nonsense ,

Even the likes of goggle satellites would pick them up ?

I think it would hurt the ego of any Astrophysicist to find out there’s much more to learn beyond the textbooks they dedicated their life’s too.

buried · 02-06-2021 4:17pm

lintdrummer wrote: »

Edit to add: I haven't got much time for Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's a condescending know it all who puts his opinion out as fact and people eat it up because he's a celebrity scientist.

Fair enough, but that's also an adequate definition for the higher echelons of the United States Department of Defense up in the Pentagon.

handlemaster · 02-06-2021 4:20pm

There was something a few years back about UFOs around Boyle co roscommon.

Hamsterchops · 03-06-2021 2:31pm

~ The New York Times ~

Why Are We Talking About U.F.O.s Right Now?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/us/ufos-report.html

This caught my attention...

John Brennan, the former director of the C.I.A., said in a podcast last year that some of the unexplained sightings might be “some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.”

A newly discovered Earthbound form of life?
A fantastic & totally amazing discovery (if true), and certainly more plausible than Aliens from planet Zog.

Fuzzyduzzy · 03-06-2021 6:46pm

Report next week.

My guess it will be Friday week (11th), the day news gets buried.
https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1400484195890311181?s=20

Fuzzyduzzy · 03-06-2021 6:52pm

https://twitter.com/TheUfoJoe/status/1400509367284207617?s=20

Fuzzyduzzy · 04-06-2021 12:00am

Pentagon spokesperson questioned again this evening.. he was sorry he had to leave early!
https://youtu.be/hf3FWH356Ms

steddyeddy · 04-06-2021 8:54am

So the classified annex of the report has been seen by some military officials who have leaked conclusions to the New York Times.

The report states that while the government have no evidence that what is observed are from another planet they have no evidence for what they are. They do know that they are not secret US technology nor are they likely from foreign governments.

The report confirms that the collective behaviour observed doesn't fit with what we know about traditional aircraft nor can weather balloons explain all of these cases.

Speaking as a scientist this is huge. The last report on UFOs the US released was Project Bluebook. It basically stated that these were misidentifications. This report states there's objects flying in the sky that can't be explained by weather balloons, foreign adversaries or secret US technology. The report states there's objects exhibiting unexplainable acceleration, speed, maneuverability and ability to submerge under water flying around US airspace.

U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either

The report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. One possible explanation — that the phenomena could be weather balloons or other research balloons — does not hold up in all cases, the officials said, because of changes in wind speed at the times of some of the interactions.

MadYaker · 04-06-2021 10:11am

nocoverart wrote: »

I think it would hurt the ego of any Astrophysicist to find out there’s much more to learn beyond the textbooks they dedicated their life’s too.

I guess you don’t know any physicists so, they don’t dedicate their lives to textbooks :rolleyes:

Larbre34 · 04-06-2021 10:25am

Rubbish. All physicists and astronomers worth the name accept that there is far more unknown than is known to humans. Stephen Hawking himself talked about a god beyond our limits of knowledge and the certainty of alien life, statisically, while also demonstrating the immense barriers to travel those for them as well as for us.

If aliens have managed to travel here by a method beyond our comprehension, they have surely earned it.

fryup · 04-06-2021 10:55am

So when's the big announcement ??

Hamsterchops · 04-06-2021 11:22am

fryup wrote: »

So when's the big announcement ??

Looking like next Thursday or Friday 11th.

Reading between the lines it gonna say they can't prove that they are alien in origin, but neither can they prove that they aren't.

Some unknown aerial entity that needs further scientific analysis and investigation.

I would expect an interim report to set the scene, to say they don't know what it is, or what they are.

Lone Stone · 04-06-2021 12:32pm

either something that come from the ocean depths or some sort of dimensional traversing drone's. i seen one actually i posted about here in after hours right after its in my post history i think it was 2010. Oddly enough it went out over the sea.

steddyeddy · 04-06-2021 12:36pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Looking like next Thursday or Friday 11th.

Reading between the lines it gonna say they can't prove that they are alien in origin, but neither can they prove that they aren't.

Some unknown aerial entity that needs further scientific analysis and investigation.

I would expect an interim report to set the scene, to say they don't know what it is, or what they are.

An most importantly that these objects act in ways beyond what is known about current technology. They also rule out the more silly explanations such as weather balloons.

The report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. One possible explanation — that the phenomena could be weather balloons or other research balloons — does not hold up in all cases, the officials said, because of changes in wind speed at the times of some of the interactions.

Steve012 · 04-06-2021 5:05pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

~ The New York Times ~

Why Are We Talking About U.F.O.s Right Now?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/us/ufos-report.html

This caught my attention...

John Brennan, the former director of the C.I.A., said in a podcast last year that some of the unexplained sightings might be “some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.”

A newly discovered Earthbound form of life?
A fantastic & totally amazing discovery (if true), and certainly more plausible than Aliens from planet Zog.

Racist swine!! I have mates from planet Zog..

maccored · 04-06-2021 5:13pm

fryup wrote: »

So when's the big announcement ??

deadline is june 25th

Kunta Kinte · 04-06-2021 11:43pm

Steve012 wrote: »

Racist swine!! I have mates from planet Zog..

Zig and Zag?

RobertKK · 05-06-2021 1:29am

This will be like Covid.

Started off it was not airborne but then the truth came.

We start off by them not ruling it out and before you know it Giorgio Tsoukalos is no longer looking crazy.

silliussoddius · 05-06-2021 5:22am

RobertKK wrote: »

before you know it Giorgio Tsoukalos is no longer looking crazy.

Yeah right

Fuzzyduzzy · 06-06-2021 1:51pm

Report from 1953, similar to the Tic Tac description. Those Russians and Chinese have been very kind to withhold this technology for 70+ years through famines, economic collapse and American dominance.
https://twitter.com/itsredactedjake/status/1401008617374072832?s=20

BorneTobyWilde · 06-06-2021 2:13pm

The report will claim no link to Aliens but that they don't know what it is.

BorneTobyWilde · 06-06-2021 2:14pm

I could have told you that, some report.

Fuzzyduzzy · 06-06-2021 2:16pm

Very interesting how this question was not even laughed off
https://twitter.com/disclosureteam_/status/1400906044705054728?s=20

handlemaster · 06-06-2021 5:41pm

Very likely than not with trillions of planets there is other life forms out there.

Hamsterchops · 06-06-2021 9:18pm

Regarding the upcoming report, I wonder will there be any surprises in store, or have we been told the main 'gist" of what's in the UAP report to Congress?

BorneTobyWilde · 07-06-2021 12:40am

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

Very interesting how this question was not even laughed off
https://twitter.com/disclosureteam_/status/1400906044705054728?s=20

Head down, won't make eye contact, sniffs, shifty movements.. all the hallmarks of lying.

False Prophet · 07-06-2021 2:12am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Head down, won't make eye contact, sniffs, shifty movements.. all the hallmarks of lying.

People sometimes see what they want to see, i saw that he could hardly contain laughing at the end of the question.

Some might say he didn't say No, but thats hardly a surprise as they rarely answer anything with a yes or a no.

Sam Quentin · 07-06-2021 2:18am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Head down, won't make eye contact, sniffs, shifty movements.. all the hallmarks of lying.

Not everything is so straightforward.....
He may have farted!?

Hamsterchops · 07-06-2021 9:57am

sugarman wrote: »

I wouldn't expect any other outcome from it than something along the line of "we've seen things we can't explain" and that'll be that.

Thanks for that, and I guess even the "we've seen things we can't explain" announcement should be dramatic enough for most people to take note (and to accept) that UAPs are a real and unexplained phenomon.

steddyeddy · 07-06-2021 8:38pm

Has anyone being following the news on this? It's amazing how much of a paradigm shift has occurred.

Sam Harris, one of the most die hard sceptics in modern times has changed his mind on this phenomenon. He's stating that we should be very excited about the implications of the recent news about the UAP report. The fact that the US government is telling us that there's unknown aircraft in our atmosphere displaying characteristics that couldn't be made by the most advanced nations on earth is a very big deal.

He rightly says that the die hard sceptics need to apologise to people who were taking this seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpXife8JEQ

steddyeddy · 07-06-2021 8:39pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Thanks for that, and I guess even the "we've seen things we can't explain" announcement should be dramatic enough for most people to take note (and to accept) that UAPs are a real and unexplained phenomon.

The fact that they're even saying that is huge. This has now being confirmed as a real phenomenon and there's technology that is unknown to man.

ohnonotgmail · 08-06-2021 10:36am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Has anyone being following the news on this? It's amazing how much of a paradigm shift has occurred.

Sam Harris, one of the most die hard sceptics in modern times has changed his mind on this phenomenon. He's stating that we should be very excited about the implications of the recent news about the UAP report. The fact that the US government is telling us that there's unknown aircraft in our atmosphere displaying characteristics that couldn't be made by the most advanced nations on earth is a very big deal.

He rightly says that the die hard sceptics need to apologise to people who were taking this seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpXife8JEQ

apologise for what, exactly? Apologise for not believing something without evidence? What are the implications of this new evidence? We are still at the "we don't know what they are" stage.

steddyeddy · 08-06-2021 3:07pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

apologise for what, exactly? Apologise for not believing something without evidence? What are the implications of this new evidence? We are still at the "we don't know what they are" stage.

Well I am very much keen that we stick to we don't know what they are line. That's what I have been saying all along here. I have my beliefs about what these are but I have evidence to say what they're less likely to be (planes, balloons and birds).

The problem is that a lot of the more dogmatic sceptics have attacked people for even reporting these things. They have ridiculed pilots and stifled the debate whereby it was impossible to even talk about these things. Whereas you and I say "we don't know what these things are" dogmatic sceptics often say "we know this is a bird\balloon\airplane".

In science we use a teaching tool to explain how scepticism can hold back investigation called "Cuvier's rash dictum". Cuvier, a zoologist heard reports of the mountain gorilla, the Okapi and other megafauna yet to be discovered and replied with the famous quote:

There is little hope of discovering new species of large quadrupeds

Cuvier's influence led to most later zoologists accepting his opinion, and refusing to consider the possibility of large undescribed animals, with obvious consequences for zoology. Cuvier even refused to acknowledge reports of unknown animals from trained observers, thereby slowing down knowledge acquisition in this area.

This has been observed in biochemistry, physics, chemistry and right now in genetics. Sceptics have made it very hard to get funding for certain studies due to the fact that they ridicule those who try to determine the nature of things we don't understand.

Hamsterchops · 09-06-2021 8:09am

A sneak-peek at the UFO/UAP Report.

"The academics can continue to rubbish the alien visitation idea, and the UFO believers can continue to cry cover-up. Everyone will retreat to their neutral corners and hope for a kayo in the next round."

Tantalising.

https://www.seti.org/sneak-peek-ufouap-report

Sakana · 09-06-2021 4:10pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

A sneak-peek at the UFO/UAP Report.

"The academics can continue to rubbish the alien visitation idea, and the UFO believers can continue to cry cover-up. Everyone will retreat to their neutral corners and hope for a kayo in the next round."

Tantalising.

https://www.seti.org/sneak-peek-ufouap-report

Do they not know that KO stands for knockout?

Hamsterchops · 09-06-2021 6:22pm

I guess it means that either the academics or the UFO (alien) believers will be proved wrong, in which case one side will be delt the KO blow!

Aliens Yes = KO blow to the academics.
Aliens No = KO blow to the UFO brigade.

Next round please

Sakana · 10-06-2021 8:58pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I guess it means that either the academics or the UFO (alien) believers will be proved wrong, in which case one side will be delt the KO blow!

Aliens Yes = KO blow to the academics.
Aliens No = KO blow to the UFO brigade.

Next round please

Yeah, but I mean that the writer wrote kayo instead of KO. I'm wondering if they'd heard KO used but never connected it with the way it's used in boxing/fighting.

There have been worse blind spots!

flanna01 · 11-06-2021 5:52am

I'm leaning towards electrical weather phenomenon....

The speed and vast area(s) covered by forked lightening when it arcs is amazing. We have seen the footage of ball lightening doing its thing. I suggest the UAP sightings are of the same nature, except we have no understanding of it yet.

The intermittent fuzzy images witnessed on the videos suggest to me, that there is serious fluctuating speed velocity involved, couple this with the erratic 'flight path' seen, it compares to an electrical weather anomaly to me??

Studying some of the footage, it would seem similar to a tumbling barrel falling from the sky at supersonic speed (crude description I know), you can certainly rule out any form of intelligently controlled craft(s).

Interesting topic, but it's an electrical weather anomaly for me all the way.

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