Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)

robindch · 29-06-2011 11:46am #1

For anybody lucky enough not to have heard of her, Michele Bachmann is the new Sarah Palin. Recently, she seemed to say that god wanted her to run for US President next year:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-a-sense-god-calling-me-to-presidency/2011/06/27/AG3FvmnH_blog.html

Meanwhile, according to politifact.com, she's been caught lying more than any other candidate to date:

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-presidential-hopeful-accused-of-pants-on-fire-esque-falsehoods-164742-Jun2011/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

Anybody looking forward to President Bachmann?

Turtwig · 29-06-2011 11:53am

I was going to post a video about her scientific woes in the interesting stuff thread in that epic post I made recently I decided better of it. Makes you sick to the core when you read up on her qualifications.

However here is one, that's a little bit lighter. (Somewhat.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02EpAMm8rfo

Seriously Permabear I have tonnes of republican friends in the states and I say it to them as I do you
"Get your ****ing party sorted faster!"
I don't think Romney is that bad, but he's a Mormon so I don't see Him getting elected lol.

TwoShedsJackson · 29-06-2011 12:43pm

More moderate Republicans must be really sick that their party is being hijacked by these nutters.

Still, if Bachmann does run it'll be comedy gold for most of the election, Obama will annihilate her in the debates and have probably one of the easiest re-elections ever.

mikhail · 29-06-2011 1:28pm

I read about her recently: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622?page=1

American politics get scarier by the year. I have and will again vote for religious people, but the idea that someone like her - ignorant, hypocritical, viruliently closed-minded and hate filled - can win elections like she has is another blow to my faith in humanity.

Galvasean · 29-06-2011 1:51pm

Put the religion/religiously motivated views aside for a moment and take a look at some of her other policies:
On minimum wage:
"we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."

Nice.

Permabear · 29-06-2011 3:47pm

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magicbastarder · 29-06-2011 3:55pm

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come again?
this is a country where people are committing crimes or joining the army to be able to gain access to basic healthcare.

StudentDad · 29-06-2011 4:09pm

I don't know what is more disturbing - the idea that either one of those two would be considered or the scary thought of either of them winning the election.

If either of them won what would it say about the United States?
A majority of americans endorsing their scary, blinkered and hateful notions?

That would scare me more I think than their winning.

SD

Turtwig · 29-06-2011 4:10pm

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Not trying to sound too dismissive but that packing the tent problem sounds unfixable. Why not just join the Democrats and sort them out?

Permabear · 29-06-2011 4:54pm

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Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 29-06-2011 5:43pm

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I'm assuming that its a reference to this recent case.

(So, how's Irish healthcare doing these days? :pac:)

Not great, but Americans wouldn't have much right to go pointing fingers.

29-06-2011 7:11pm

Hitchens has written an article for Slate on her here, for those interested.

axer · 29-06-2011 9:39pm

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TBH its pretty good. A lot better than in the states without the massive cost.

Michelle Bachmann is more dangerous than Palin when it comes to religion. She has no problems spouting that god told her to do this and that. Scarey when you think about it. I think she is too extreme to win the presidency though and her supporters would help her lose by making her look even more extreme. I would actually prefer if she did go up against Obama as he would have a better chance of winning imo.

fontanalis · 29-06-2011 10:24pm

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How did he wreck healthcare? As far as I can see he only slightly stopped health insurance companies from shafting people which is what the main problem in the US is; it's good healthcare but expensive provided you don't get shafted by an insurance company. The whole so called attitude to health care where they claim to love the jebus but leave the sick to the mercy of insurance companies is baffling; but them again they are pro life and pro war.
The dollar is actually stonger against the euro recently since three years ago when it was around 1.5.

Permabear · 29-06-2011 10:26pm

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Spread · 29-06-2011 10:29pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

come again?
this is a country where people are committing crimes or joining the army to be able to gain access to basic healthcare.

WTF! Am I reading right?

fontanalis · 29-06-2011 10:30pm

axer wrote: »

TBH its pretty good. A lot better than in the states without the massive cost.

Michelle Bachmann is more dangerous than Palin when it comes to religion. She has no problems spouting that god told her to do this and that. Scarey when you think about it. I think she is too extreme to win the presidency though and her supporters would help her lose by making her look even more extreme. I would actually prefer if she did go up against Obama as he would have a better chance of winning imo.

I know where I'd rather get sick, provided I didn't get shafted by insurance in the US.

AhSureTisGrand · 29-06-2011 10:32pm

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Sudanese doctors!? SUDANESE DOCTORS?!!! God help us all

fontanalis · 29-06-2011 10:34pm

Spread wrote: »

WTF! Am I reading right?

It's a massive, massive . . . massive exagerration; there was a case recently (on yahoo news) about someone going to jail to get healthcare. It's good in the US provided you are insured. If you can't afford insurance or if you get dropped/not covered by your insurance company then the costs can be crippling: it's one of the highest causes of bankruptcy.

Nodin · 29-06-2011 10:35pm

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Sudanese doctors!? SUDANESE DOCTORS?!!! God help us all

God can't help you now.

A Goddess might. If it was in her interest to do so, of course.

fontanalis · 29-06-2011 10:38pm

Fans are changing wikipedia to cover a recent boo boo.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/06/28/michelle-bachmann-supporters-alter-wikipedia-to-make-john-quincy-adams-a-founding-father/

Religous stuff aside her reaction to China deciding to back of the US Dollar as a reserve currency should have her being mocked mercilessly.

The Mad Hatter · 29-06-2011 10:48pm

Nodin wrote: »

God can't help you now.

A Goddess might. If it was in her interest to do so, of course.

Hunh, I've always seen photographs of Rand as a fat old woman. I never knew she used to be a thin young man...

29-06-2011 10:53pm

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Hunh, I've always seen photographs of Rand as a fat old woman. I never knew she used to be a thin young man...

Wildly offtopic, but I found this just now

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Turtwig · 29-06-2011 10:58pm

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That doesn't make him right or wrong though. You quote one of the greatest rationalists of all time, yet you used argument ad populum; one of the most popular irrational arguments of all time.

Clearly you aren't an elderly person lying on a trolley in a corridor while Sudanese doctors debate what to do next.

Iirc, there is a pretty significant problem in the US with covering elderly care costs. Many are just dumped out and left at home with the parents instead of getting the proper attention they need. Clearly you aren't one of these elderly nursing home drop outs!

See? Isn't this type of dialogue constructive?
I've just made a very vague point and I wanna show it to the world!

Pygmalion · 29-06-2011 11:33pm

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My grandfather was recently quite sick (i.e. we weren't sure if he'd live or not and he spent months in and out of hospital) and I only recall hearing good things about the doctors treating him and the service/waiting times.
This wasn't in a private hospital either.

Quite anecdotal, but there's at least a few more people in the country who think so, and are speaking from experience of our supposedly terrible system.

Of course I don't know what country the doctors were from, somehow it never came up when we were discussing the work of highly trained specialists.

Spread · 30-06-2011 2:04am

magicbastarder wrote: »

come again?
this is a country where people are committing crimes or joining the army to be able to gain access to basic healthcare.

Spread wrote: »

WTF! Am I reading right?

I was paying €3,300 for myself and wife in Ireland up to last Christmas. Came over to the States, and for the equivelant of €2,450 have got the same coverage plus my meds cost €55 per month here and I was paying €130 in Ireland. I remember reading some story of a guy with awful ailments wanting to go to jail to sort out his problems. The reason it got in The Inquirer was exactly that ...... a one off.
Check these prices out for yourself.

fontanalis wrote: »

How did he wreck healthcare? As far as I can see he only slightly stopped health insurance companies from shafting people which is what the main problem in the US is; it's good healthcare but expensive provided you don't get shafted by an insurance company. The whole so called attitude to health care where they claim to love the jebus but leave the sick to the mercy of insurance companies is baffling; but them again they are pro life and pro war.
The dollar is actually stonger against the euro recently since three years ago when it was around 1.5.

Only Republicans with vested interests and idiots that listen to Fox news (and believe it) get sucked in with this crap. Going to a doctor costs €13 approx and if you need a consultant it is free if your doc refers. In Ireland my doctor was €60 (reduced to €35 with Insurance) and the €130 for a consultant there was reduced to maybe €80 after Insurance.

A point I forgot was that all people, insurance or not, have one free medical a year.

fontanalis wrote: »

It's a massive, massive . . . massive exagerration; there was a case recently (on yahoo news) about someone going to jail to get healthcare. It's good in the US provided you are insured. If you can't afford insurance or if you get dropped/not covered by your insurance company then the costs can be crippling: it's one of the highest causes of bankruptcy.

Yes, I remember reading this on-line. One of the reasons that we retired to the US was 1) the cost of living, 2) cost of isurance, 3) the relatively weak dollar and sunny Summer weather.

amacachi · 30-06-2011 4:31pm

Surprised no-one is talking about her wanting to have the same spirit as John Wayne from her town in Iowa. Except it turns out it was John Wayne Gacy. :pac:

Morbert · 30-06-2011 7:17pm

Spread wrote: »

Only Republicans with vested interests and idiots that listen to Fox news (and believe it) get sucked in with this crap. Going to a doctor costs €13 approx and if you need a consultant it is free if your doc refers. In Ireland my doctor was €60 (reduced to €35 with Insurance) and the €130 for a consultant there was reduced to maybe €80 after Insurance.

A point I forgot was that all people, insurance or not, have one free medical a year.

Yes, I remember reading this on-line. One of the reasons that we retired to the US was 1) the cost of living, 2) cost of isurance, 3) the relatively weak dollar and sunny Summer weather.

We also noticed this between the States and Ireland. Ireland has a bit of catching up to do before it can start wagging any fingers.

smokingman · 14-08-2011 10:16am

Looks like the mad loon is one step closer to the republican nomination...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14519660

TwoShedsJackson · 14-08-2011 11:19am

smokingman wrote: »

Looks like the mad loon is one step closer to the republican nomination...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14519660

Between this and the Newsweek cover, she takes a great picture:

Rick Perry entering the race should hopefully split the conservative loon vote somewhat, and on the subject of Perry:

Galvasean · 14-08-2011 2:57pm

smokingman wrote: »

Looks like the mad loon is one step closer to the republican nomination...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14519660

Last I heard she was dropping out due to her serious migrane problem. Apparently they can last a week in which she is incapable of reading... let alone running a ciountry!
There was also that leaked tape of her saying the world was ending very soon. There goes long term policy :pac:

sponsoredwalk · 14-08-2011 8:23pm

Here are some republican debates, they're all fcuking hilarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Jjp_QvCLc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHGfYcwj4kI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDSs_XFmacc

Turtwig · 14-08-2011 8:43pm

I'm confused that's hilarity all right (first 19 mins anyways), but erm, it's also really depressing.

fontanalis · 15-08-2011 4:04pm

Isn't there a chance that Bachmann and Perry will split the god bot vote?

amacachi · 15-08-2011 4:17pm

It mentions write-in votes for Perry, but what about Parry? :S

robindch · 15-08-2011 4:17pm

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

on the subject of Perry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14500115

robindch · 15-08-2011 4:26pm

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Here are some republican debates, they're all fcuking hilarious:

Dara Ó Briain should go up against those clowns.

"C'mere, and get into that feckin' sack, boyo".

Mistress 69 · 15-08-2011 5:41pm

http://good-wallpapers.com/pictures/758/f-16-falcon-7.jpg

Republican Presidents are too fond of the toys.

robindch · 15-08-2011 9:16pm

Not directly related to Ms Bachmann, but multi-billionaire Warren Buffett has asked Congress to make the USA's super-rich to dig deep:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html

Warren Buffett wrote:

My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.

strobe · 16-08-2011 2:44am

robindch wrote: »

Not directly related to Ms Bachmann, but multi-billionaire Warren Buffett has asked Congress to make the USA's super-rich to dig deep:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html

I like Buffett. Obama should tell Biden where to get off and take Warren on as his running mate for the 2012 election.

mikhail · 16-08-2011 1:36pm

robindch wrote: »

Not directly related to Ms Bachmann, but multi-billionaire Warren Buffett has asked Congress to make the USA's super-rich to dig deep:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html

Buffet once pointed out that his secretary paid a higher percentage of her gross income in tax than he did. This was years before the current mess arose. He's always had a sense of fairness that way, and it's a credit to him.

gargleblaster · 16-08-2011 5:04pm

Rick Perry scares me, because he has a chance. I don't think Bachmann will last, but Perry - I don't know. There was a recent piece on his extreme-right crazy-fundamentalist Christian backers (some Christians call them a cult) in the Texas Observer recently. Spine-chilling stuff. These people want a theocracy, no doubt about it.

edit: Link to story

Turtwig · 17-08-2011 12:30am

Perry scares me, but not as much as this woman does. This is hilarity, damn I'm getting more comedy relief from watching US Republicans these days than just about anything else. I might just pitch a show to RTE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9isbCdz43QU

robindch · 17-08-2011 12:42am

"...one from her husband. Did I say that out loud?"

/subscribes

Mr. Boo · 17-08-2011 12:44am

She thinks her views are clear? She just can't bring herself to say it out loud?

These are the sort of goblin-chasers they have in congress in the US, and we're worried about a few cute hoors over this side. :eek:

AhSureTisGrand · 17-08-2011 1:38am

Ron Paul doesn't believe in evolution, but I would probably vote for him

/runs

Mark Hamill · 17-08-2011 11:55am

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Ron Paul doesn't believe in evolution, but I would probably vote for him

/runs

I wouldn't. I dont care what other policies or ideas he has, not accepting evolution is as reality-denying as not believing airplanes can fly.

Turtwig · 17-08-2011 11:56am

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I wouldn't. I dont care what other policies or ideas he has, not accepting evolution is as reality-denying as not believing airplanes can fly.

Beats Bachmann who's on par with believing the wheel to be a figment of imagination.

mikom · 17-08-2011 12:22pm

With regard to evolution, I mean… I just don’t spend a whole lot of time on this, especially in politics. “Do you believe in evolution or don’t you believe in evolution? Yes or no? And then we’ll decide whether you should be President or not.”

You know it is a theory, nobody has concrete proof of any of this. But quite frankly I think it’s sort of irrelevant, that because we don’t know the exact details and we don’t have geologic support for evolutionary forms, it is a theory, even though it’s a pretty logical theory. But my concept of understanding of a creator is not related one bit to whether or not I or anybody has to believe in evolution or not believe in evolution.

The idea that if you don’t [?] believe in evolution means that you don’t believe in a creator is total nonsense. So I think this once again is overly played and we spend too much time on it. And besides, if you’re in politics it shouldn’t be a bother. This is something maybe not dealing with science as much with your own spiritual life, your personal beliefs.

The important thing is that you have a political system where you can debate this and make a decision and government rule shouldn’t be based on this. If you have governments basing their rules on this, then it becomes very important. But in a libertarian society these beliefs aren’t nearly as critical.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-11/ron-paul-and-reddit-com/

robindch · 17-08-2011 12:32pm

From the bizarre to the frankly dangerous. Here's Rick Perry -- he of the praying to sort out the financial crisis, global-warming denier, governor of Texas and all-round nutter -- making veiled threats to the chairman of the Federal Reserve:

Rick Perry wrote:

If this guy prints more money between now and the election, I don't know what y'all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SQU4Eyq4lA

robindch · 17-08-2011 12:42pm

Ron Paul wrote:

The important thing is that you have a political system where you can debate this and make a decision and government rule shouldn’t be based on this. If you have governments basing their rules on this, then it becomes very important. But in a libertarian society these beliefs aren’t nearly as critical.

No idea what Mr Paul means by that jumble of words, but it looks like libertarian societies might just have taken one small step closer to happening:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

I would just love to see what would happen in some place populated and run by people like Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and hundreds or thousands of gun-toting get-off-my-lawners. A bit like Waterworld, except without the cheerful undertone I suppose.

Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)

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