Ethiopian Airlines Crash/ B737MAX grounding

RiseToMe · 10-03-2019 9:45am #1

Reports that an Ethiopian Airlines plane with 157 souls on board has crashed en route to Nairobi

http://news.sky.com/story/ethiopian-airlines-plane-with-157-people-on-board-crashes-11660677

Comhrá · 10-03-2019 9:52am

ET302, a four-month old Boeing 737-8 MAX, reg ET-AVJ.

https://www.jetphotos.com/registration/ET-AVJ

tnegun · 10-03-2019 10:01am

Flight radar last has it climbing at 8600ft, flight only lasted 4 minutes.

Cloudio9 · 10-03-2019 10:05am

tnegun wrote: »

Flight radar last has it climbing at 8600ft, flight only lasted 4 minutes.

Another Max. Surely not another lion air scenario.

tnegun · 10-03-2019 10:06am

Here's the FR link https://fr24.com/2019-03-10/05:41/12x/ETH302/1fc0cdb5 very sad for all involved

Brennus335 · 10-03-2019 10:09am

tnegun wrote: »

Flight radar last has it climbing at 8600ft, flight only lasted 4 minutes.

ADD is at just over 7,600ft, so it barely climbed at all.

TrustedApple · 10-03-2019 10:33am

Two nearly new 737 max crashed in the past few months something not right with these planes.

My thoughts are with the poor people on board

DopeTech · 10-03-2019 10:38am

Terrible news for the passengers families. Cannot imagine what they are going through now.

Looking at the flight radar, it looks as though another plane was flying in the opposite direction over it at the time it disappeared. It hardly crashed trying to avoid another plane?

monkeysnapper · 10-03-2019 11:12am

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Terrible news for the passengers families. Cannot imagine what they are going through now.

Looking at the flight radar, it looks as though another plane was flying in the opposite direction over it at the time it disappeared. It hardly crashed trying to avoid another plane?

I was thinking that ....

Plane was put into service in October which makes this worrying .

Gaoth Laidir · 10-03-2019 11:18am

TrustedApple wrote: »

Two nearly new 737 max crashed in the past few months something not right with these planes.

My thoughts are with the poor people on board

So you already know what caused this crash? Fair play...

Gaoth Laidir · 10-03-2019 11:21am

From avherald

The last transponder data were received from position N9.027 E39.153 about 21nm east of Addis Ababa at FL086. Terrain elevation at that point is 8130 feet MSL, FL086 corrected for QNH indicates the aircraft was flying at 8173 feet MSL at that position.

ASOT · 10-03-2019 11:29am

Just announced on sky news there's no survivors according to the state broadcaster.

TrustedApple · 10-03-2019 11:32am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

So you already know what caused this crash? Fair play...

2 crashes with new planes in the past few months from the same family.

Its worrying I don't have a clue what happened but irs something that need to be looked at just like the 787 engine issues.

Again my thoughts are with the family's

jd · 10-03-2019 11:48am

RIP

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My partner was on ET302 a few months ago. It was the connection on to Nairobi for ET505 LAX-ADD when it had a stop in DUB

STB. · 10-03-2019 11:56am

This is the second one lost in the last few months. This plane was only registered in November.

Boeing may need to be issuing more than safety warnings for the 737 Max.

Mahony0509 · 10-03-2019 12:04pm

Eerily similar to Lion Air crash. Could see a grounding of the MAX fairly soon.

Larbre34 · 10-03-2019 12:27pm

I'd say a lot of blood just ran cold in the greater Seattle area.

If this is another Lion Air, i.e. an ultra-modern Aircraft's computer intervening in response to erroneous speed and attitude readings from its own systems and compensating with fatal flight control inputs, then its most serious and fundamental flight safety issue since the Airbus joystick input can of worms (AF447 etc)

May the victims today rest in peace.

Duane Dibbley · 10-03-2019 12:31pm

Very sad news. RIP

duskyjoe · 10-03-2019 12:35pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd say a lot of blood just ran cold in the greater Seattle area.

If this is another Lion Air, i.e. an ultra-modern Aircraft's computer intervening in response to erroneous speed and attitude readings from its own systems and compensating with fatal flight control inputs, then its most serious and fundamental flight safety issue since the Airbus joystick input can of worms (AF447 etc)

May the victims today rest in peace.

Agree totally - as a sideline re your comment on AF447- the aircraft was fully serviceable.

A truer word re blood running cold in seattle this morn.

lfc200 · 10-03-2019 1:07pm

How many 737Max are in service now?
IF this was found or early evidence points to this being the same as Lion Air are we likely to see the plane grounded?

billy few mates · 10-03-2019 1:16pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd say a lot of blood just ran cold in the greater Seattle area.

If this is another Lion Air, i.e. an ultra-modern Aircraft's computer intervening in response to erroneous speed and attitude readings from its own systems and compensating with fatal flight control inputs, then its most serious and fundamental flight safety issue since the Airbus joystick input can of worms (AF447 etc)

May the victims today rest in peace.

Might be something a lot simpler than that...

"last transponder data were received from position N9.027 E39.153 about 21nm east of Addis Ababa at FL086. Terrain elevation at that point is 8130 feet MSL, FL086 reported by the Mode-S Altimeter (which always measures to standard pressure 1013 QNH) corrected for QNH indicates the aircraft was flying at 9027 feet MSL at that position."

RIP to all involved...

FrancieBrady · 10-03-2019 1:27pm

lfc200 wrote: »

How many 737Max are in service now?
IF this was found or early evidence points to this being the same as Lion Air are we likely to see the plane grounded?

330 according to this.

http://www.b737.org.uk/sales.htm

Jude13 · 10-03-2019 1:31pm

"In a press conference the Ethiopian Airlines CEO stated that the pilot of #ET302 reported difficulties with the aircraft to ATC. He was given clearance to return to the airport."

IQO · 10-03-2019 1:38pm

https://twitter.com/ntvkenya/status/1104722491203833857

TheMilkyPirate · 10-03-2019 1:53pm

Is this the same plane Ryanair have 200 of starting delivery in spring? Or is it a different variation

VG31 · 10-03-2019 1:58pm

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Is this the same plane Ryanair have 200 of starting delivery in spring? Or is it a different variation

It's pretty much the same (737 MAX 200), just a higher density version with additional emergency exits because of that.

Blanco100 · 10-03-2019 2:07pm

duskyjoe wrote: »

Agree totally - as a sideline re your comment on AF447- the aircraft was fully serviceable.

A truer word re blood running cold in seattle this morn.

can i ask why Seattle?

Negative_G · 10-03-2019 2:08pm

Blanco100 wrote: »

can i ask why Seattle?

Home of boeing.

john boye · 10-03-2019 2:21pm

Negative_G wrote: »

Home of boeing.

Chicago these days

Comhrá · 10-03-2019 2:23pm

Company HQ is Chicago, aircraft are built in Seattle.

pummice · 10-03-2019 2:50pm

Irish passport holder on board. My thoughts go out to all involved.

Shn99 · 10-03-2019 2:57pm

RIP to all on board, this aircraft passed through Dublin on delivery

Tenzor07 · 10-03-2019 3:46pm

Absolutely heartbreaking to see this happen, may the 157 souls on board rest in peace after this awful tragic crash...

I hope that Boeing make some serious checks on all there Max aircraft, and ground them all until they are fully proven to be safe...

nc6000 · 10-03-2019 3:51pm

Comhra wrote: »

Company HQ is Chicago, aircraft are built in Seattle.

I'm sure people in the factory where this plane was made are also worried. :rolleyes:

billy few mates · 10-03-2019 4:13pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Absolutely heartbreaking to see this happen, may the 157 souls on board rest in peace after this awful tragic crash...

I hope that Boeing make some serious checks on all there Max aircraft, and ground them all until they are fully proven to be safe...

They are fully proven to be safe...

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 4:22pm

Flying colleague was onboard going on days off, he leaves behind a wife and two kids.

billie1b · 10-03-2019 4:34pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Flying colleague was onboard going on days off, he leaves behind a wife and two kids.

Absolutely terrible, condolences to his wife, kids and yourself

Inquitus · 10-03-2019 4:38pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Flying colleague was onboard going on days off, he leaves behind a wife and two kids.

Condolences, was he the Irish national?

Spanish Eyes · 10-03-2019 4:39pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Flying colleague was onboard going on days off, he leaves behind a wife and two kids.

So very sorry to hear that. Words are never enough.

A friend of mine was on the Ethiopian from Dublin earlier this morning, landed in Addis just before the crash. His bags are missing, but I'm guessing he doesn't care too much about that now.

Condolences on the loss of your colleague.

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 5:04pm

was he the Irish national?

No, Kenyan

Limpy · 10-03-2019 5:29pm

Rip and condolences.

I have flown and will be flying on this type of plane in the future. If it's the same situation as lion Air does that mean the pilots were not trained regarding the issue? Re false sensor readings

Inquitus · 10-03-2019 5:36pm

Limpy wrote: »

Rip and condolences.

I have flown and will be flying on this type of plane in the future. If it's the same situation as lion Air does that mean the pilots were not trained regarding the issue? Re false sensor readings

It seems crazy 2 planes of the same type have gone down in such short order, and in a very similar manner, hopefully some answers come and prevent any future tragedies.

Comhrá · 10-03-2019 5:43pm

Until such time as there's confirmation that both accidents of this aircraft variant are not related, I would think passengers world-wide are going to be nervous flying this type if they're aware of such.

lintdrummer · 10-03-2019 6:40pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Flying colleague was onboard going on days off, he leaves behind a wife and two kids.

Sincere condolences to you and your colleagues Smurfjed.

VG31 · 10-03-2019 7:07pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I don't need confirmation - I wouldn't get on one of these Boeing death traps for love or money. Has general aviation seen anything like this since the Comet?

DC-10?

boombang · 10-03-2019 7:11pm

Would there be any figure on the total number of commercial flying hours of this type or number in service already?

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 7:11pm

There are now reports of "pencil whipping" issues with the flight control system.

smurfjed · 10-03-2019 7:11pm

Would there be any figure on the total number of commercial flying hours of this type or number in service already?

350

dublinman1990 · 10-03-2019 7:13pm

RTÉ News just confirmed his name on the Six One this evening. He is confirmed as Michael Ryan from Co. Clare. He was an engineer working on projects with the World Food Programme. The World Food Programme has confirmed that one of their colleagues killed in the crash was an Irish citizen & has been in contact with Mr Ryan's family. My sincere condolences go out to his family and to all of his friends & colleagues. R.I.P.

Roger_007 · 10-03-2019 7:13pm

Comhra wrote: »

Until such time as there's confirmation that both accidents of this aircraft variant are not related, I would think passengers world-wide are going to be nervous flying this type if they're aware of such.

In fact there are three incidents. The Lion Air plane which crashed had a problem on its previous flight. That flight continued because the pilot reported that the problem "seemed" to have resolved itself. Lion Air refused to comment on this incident because of the ongoing investigation into the crashed flight.
The fact that all three similar type incidents involved two relatively new aircraft and occurred within minutes of take-off seems to indicate a strong possibility that there could be an issue with this aircraft type which is not long in service.

cnocbui · 10-03-2019 7:26pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

In fact there are three incidents. The Lion Air plane which crashed had a problem on its previous flight. That flight continued because the pilot reported that the problem "seemed" to have resolved itself. Lion Air refused to comment on this incident because of the ongoing investigation into the crashed flight.
The fact that all three similar type incidents involved two relatively new aircraft and occurred within minutes of take-off seems to indicate a strong possibility that there could be an issue with this aircraft type which is not long in service.

The flight track of the vertical speed doesn't look good:

Ethiopian Airlines Crash/ B737MAX grounding

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