Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

Ave Sodalis · 16-04-2019 2:00am

gozunda wrote:

You seemed to interpret that as somehow voting for the interviewee!

Or I was referring to the fact he was being interviewed in the first place.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 2:01am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Or I was referring to the fact he was being interviewed in the first place.

My point! Fox shut him down fairly quickly one way or the other!

I never knew Fox to be so discerning tbh.

gctest50 · 16-04-2019 2:04am

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Conspiracy theories already? :rolleyes:

I'm sure there were hundreds of other treasures in the cathedral that just went up in smoke.

It was in ribbons :

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUVKcVSpg44

An insight as to its disrepair.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 2:46am

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Conspiracy theories already? :rolleyes:

With the following news stories we will have to excuse them tbh lol ...;)

4 days ago ...

https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/

Today ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/15/notre-dame-fire-youtube-panels-show-9-11-attacks

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your Face · 16-04-2019 2:56am

Carry wrote: »

At least the first donations for rebuilding Notre-Dame are coming in.
Pinault, one of the richest men in France, already promised 100 million Euros.

The Fondation du patrimoine (French heritage foundation) set up an international donation account: https://twitter.com/fond_patrimoine
https://don.fondation-patrimoine.org/SauvonsNotreDame/~mon-don

There will be European money, of course, it's after all not only a World Heritage Site but a European symbol like no other. There seems to be already talk in Germany to set up a fund.

I'm sure money won't be a problem to rebuilt this jewel eventually. And trust the French that they won't allow it to be an "investor's project".

I dare to dream that this disaster might bring a torn nation together again. Always the optimist....

According to a few news reports, there also was a lot of American donations in the past to French heritage projects.

Zorya · 16-04-2019 6:15am

Manic Moran wrote: »

Looks like they got off lucky.

The French don't seem to have any suitable helicopters, looking at the list of Securite Civile inventory. They have fixed wing bombers which are certainly inappropriate.

There is a medium in between the SC's Ecureils and EC-145s which have basically no firefighting ability at all, and their fixed-wing water-bomber fleet, examples include Los Angeles' vetical drop Firehawks or Tokyo Fire Dept's cannon-equipped EC-225s. SC doesn't have that medium.

So, yes, the SC are correct to not be using their water bomber fleet. But as a major city with a number of buildings which ladder trucks can't get to, are they correct not to be having the middle ground, or is it just a budget thing? The reason FDNY had their firefighter helicopter request denied was simple dollars, not because it was a bad idea.

Yes, I didn't understand why people jumped so fast to criticise Trump suggesting flying water tankers. He may have gotten the lingo incorrect but surely there is some kind of smaller airborne fire fighting tech that could have been used if they had it?

shaneon77 · 16-04-2019 7:28am

Zorya wrote: »

Yes, I didn't understand why people jumped so fast to criticise Trump suggesting flying water tankers. He may have gotten the lingo incorrect but surely there is some kind of smaller airborne fire fighting tech that could have been used if they had it?

Correct me if I am wrong but surely a hovering helicopter would hugely fan the flames in a contained fire such as the one we saw?

AudreyHepburn · 16-04-2019 7:37am

Sad to see such a beautiful and historic building destroyed. Who knows how many works of art of have been lost.

I was lucky enough to be able to visit Notre Dame when I was in Paris in my early twenties. It was truly spectacular. I climbed one of the bell towers and the view was breathtaking. One of my favorite photos I took is of a stone gargoyle looking out over the city.

One can only hope it was accidental and not deliberate or as the result of negligence.

Sardonicat · 16-04-2019 8:25am

shaneon77 wrote: »

Zorya wrote: »

Yes, I didn't understand why people jumped so fast to criticise Trump suggesting flying water tankers. He may have gotten the lingo incorrect but surely there is some kind of smaller airborne fire fighting tech that could have been used if they had it?

Correct me if I am wrong but surely a hovering helicopter would hugely fan the flames in a contained fire such as the one we saw?

The masonry vaulted ceilings under the roof remain intact (with the exception of a hole caused by the spire falling through ) thus saving the interior and artwork from being destroyed. Dumping large quantities of water onto that roof from above would have destroyed the ceiling and everything under it. According to some guy on Euronews early this morning, anyway.

The fire service knew exactly what they were trying to do and did it successfully which put one of them in hospital with serious injuries.

The Old Lady is still standing thanks to them and will be restored. She's a sorry sight this morning but she's with us.

kippy · 16-04-2019 8:27am

Zorya wrote: »

Yes, I didn't understand why people jumped so fast to criticise Trump suggesting flying water tankers. He may have gotten the lingo incorrect but surely there is some kind of smaller airborne fire fighting tech that could have been used if they had it?

There are helicopters and planes that can be used in firefighting, however these are:
1. Usually only used on forest/brush/gorse fires.
2. Operate from a decent height.
3. Would not usually be too accurate with here the water falls (and as such may miss the fire entirely and or causing more harm than good due to the inaccuracy of the water and weight of said water on wooden structure IF most of it fell on the Cathedral.

In addition to their impracticality for this issue, they would be used very rarely near Paris and I doubt any could be mobilised fast.

OldRio · 16-04-2019 8:28am

Zorya wrote: »

Yes, I didn't understand why people jumped so fast to criticise Trump suggesting flying water tankers. He may have gotten the lingo incorrect but surely there is some kind of smaller airborne fire fighting tech that could have been used if they had it?

Perhaps firefighting techniques should be left to the experts and not armchair wannabee firemen.

FrancieBrady · 16-04-2019 8:31am

Zorya wrote: »

Yes, I didn't understand why people jumped so fast to criticise Trump suggesting flying water tankers. He may have gotten the lingo incorrect but surely there is some kind of smaller airborne fire fighting tech that could have been used if they had it?

Trumpsplaining... the same kind of annoyance as I am sure mansplaining is to women.
The arrogance of the man to try and tell people on the scene how to put out the fire or do their job.

Just offer your sympathy and leave it Donald.

Mongoose_Bike · 16-04-2019 8:31am

Hurrache wrote: »

It unfortunately does not look good. Local reporters saying it's far from under control but getting worse.

In this vid it looks to be concentrated around where work was being done, but could just be a coincidence.
https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1117839877566009346?s=19

Oh geez. Looks really bad. There goes history.

shamrock55 · 16-04-2019 8:32am

American firefighting techniques leave Alot to be desired, they'd be the last outfit you'd take advice from tbh

Beechwoodspark · 16-04-2019 8:35am

A number of French tycoons have pledged hundreds of millions to the rebuild project already

droidman123 · 16-04-2019 8:37am

Breaking news....readers of boreds.ie know more about putting out the notre dame fire than experienced professional parisian firefighters

Hector Savage · 16-04-2019 8:39am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Genuinely the first time I've ever reported a video on Youtube. That's just plain dangerous and innocent people could get hurt by those who believe it's real.

Or maybe it is real and you just don't want to believe it ?

*I don't think it's real though, the audio sounds dubbed.
But can't be 100% suire

gctest50 · 16-04-2019 8:40am

Yellow vest looper spotted :

https://mobile.twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1117881029224615936

gozunda · 16-04-2019 8:42am

Fair play to whoever put up that scaffolding ...

L1011 · 16-04-2019 8:46am

gctest50 wrote: »

Yellow vest looper spotted :

https://mobile.twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1117881029224615936

Or an actual builder, seeing as there was work underway?

Ave Sodalis · 16-04-2019 8:49am

Hector Savage wrote:

Or maybe it is real and you just don't want to believe it ?

*I don't think it's real though, the audio sounds dubbed. But can't be 100% suire

Case in point.

It's fake.

batgoat · 16-04-2019 8:54am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Or maybe it is real and you just don't want to believe it ?

*I don't think it's real though, the audio sounds dubbed.
But can't be 100% suire

Somebody already posted the source of the audio, it predates the fire. So it's more a factor that you're very gullible.

Ger Roe · 16-04-2019 8:54am

Chesty08 wrote: »

It’s too much of a coincidence for Notre Dame to go up in flames during ‘renovations’ and at this particular time

Not really.....

Some examples of historic building accidental fires while undergoing renovations, just from my own memory.

Windsor Castle
The Primark Building
The Cutty Sark Ship
The Glasgow School of Art

Not an exhaustive list, just what I can remember at the moment. The added risk is why there are specific renovation insurance policies available and why there are also specific regulations about how renovation work should be carried out. Add old, dry, historic buildings into the mix, and the risk of fire is unfortunately greater than usual.

Sad to see this latest example.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 8:57am

L1011 wrote: »

Or an actual builder, seeing as there was work underway?

However reports in the French media said there wasn't any work taking place at the time the blaze began because workmen had finished for the day.

A spokesman for the Cathedral said: "At this moment we don't know how the fire started. There shouldn't have been any workmen on the site because they stop between 17:00 and 17:30...

With workers supposed to have finished for the day it appears they were all off site by the time the fire broke out.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20190415/do-we-know-how-the-notre-dame-fire-started

Just saying ....

Possibly one of the people checking the fire?

StereoSound · 16-04-2019 9:00am

Why does Macron want to setup funding outside the french border to pay for it to be rebuilt ? Why do they need tax payers money from other nations ? It's not like France is a third world country.

Sad to see it in the state it's in now, luckily it can be rebuilt.

is_that_so · 16-04-2019 9:02am

StereoSound wrote: »

Why does Macron want to setup funding outside the french border to pay for it to be rebuilt ? Why do they need tax payers money from other nations ? It's not like France is a third world country.

Sad to see it in the state it's in now, luckily it can be rebuilt.

Call it crowdfunding on a massive scale! Lots of French people abroad and plenty of philanthropists who would stump up some cash through ego or belief for such an undertaking.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 16-04-2019 9:03am

StereoSound wrote: »

Why does Macron want to setup funding outside the french border to pay for it to be rebuilt ? Why do they need tax payers money from other nations ? It's not like France is a third world country.

Sad to see it in the state it's in now, luckily it can be rebuilt.

Because it’s a European cultural artifact.

Erik Shun · 16-04-2019 9:04am

StereoSound wrote: »

Why does Macron want to setup funding outside the french border to pay for it to be rebuilt ? Why do they need tax payers money from other nations ? It's not like France is a third world country.

Sad to see it in the state it's in now, luckily it can be rebuilt.

I think it's one of the most iconic buildings in the world, and many people and perhaps governments would like to help financially if at all possible

Cienciano · 16-04-2019 9:05am

droidman123 wrote: »

Breaking news....readers of boreds.ie know more about putting out the notre dame fire than experienced professional parisian firefighters

Experts after reading a tweet from one of the most stupid people on the planet

gctest50 wrote: »

Yellow vest looper spotted :

https://mobile.twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1117881029224615936

Hi vis on a construction site? Are you serious?

is_that_so · 16-04-2019 9:08am

shamrock55 wrote: »

American firefighting techniques leave Alot to be desired, they'd be the last outfit you'd take advice from tbh

Don't they have a reputation for just rushing into buildings?

nullzero · 16-04-2019 9:09am

The positives here are the jobs that will be created rebuilding the cathedral, there are already wealthy people lining up to throw money at this project that will be coming down the line.
Obviously it's a pity this happened at all but it could work out well in some ways.

gctest50 · 16-04-2019 9:13am

droidman123 wrote: »

Breaking news....readers of boreds.ie know more about putting out the notre dame fire than experienced professional parisian firefighters

The spire fell cos their hoses couldn't reach - not much good really

Bit of skill and precision like video below and they'd have it wetter than a Parisian whore on fathers day

Hurrache · 16-04-2019 9:14am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Or maybe it is real and you just don't want to believe it ?

*I don't think it's real though, the audio sounds dubbed.
But can't be 100% suire

FFS, how naive are you? It's faked.

By the way, you owe me €50 for this post seeing as you believe an oul ****e.

Zorya · 16-04-2019 9:41am

OldRio wrote: »

Perhaps firefighting techniques should be left to the experts and not armchair wannabee firemen.

I asked a civil question out of interest. But at least you got that off your chest

OldRio · 16-04-2019 9:47am

Zorya wrote: »

I asked a civil question out of interest. But at least you got that off your chest

All I made was a statement of fact. Whilst you thought Mr. Trumps 'expertise' was valid.

16-04-2019 9:53am

An American colleague brought this up as the very first thing today when Notre Dame came up in the conversation. The death stares she got from everyone else in the room, almost all European, were remarkable.

Ye live in your own little bubble thinking it's acceptable that that is the Notre Dame story. I thought it absolutely vile that the first thing that came into her head was a Trump tweet about fighting the fire.

mattser · 16-04-2019 9:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

An American colleague brought this up as the very first thing today when Notre Dame came up in the conversation. The death stares she got from everyone else in the room, almost all European, were remarkable.

Ye live in your own little bubble thinking it's acceptable that that is the Notre Dame story. I thought it absolutely vile that the first thing that came into her head was a Trump tweet about fighting the fire.

Brought what up ?

16-04-2019 9:57am

mattser wrote: »

Brought what up ?

I mentioned Notre Dame first thing in the morning (we're in Asia) and she was the first person to respond and then went on a rant about Trump and his tweet.

It was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in person. I'm gutted that that building is gone before I had a chance to see it, and she did not give one solitary fuk, for all her caring about a Tweet. POS. After she was done, the rest of us just ignored that and talked about the actual event.

lawred2 · 16-04-2019 9:59am

Deleted User wrote: »

I mentioned Notre Dame first thing in the morning (we're in Asia) and she was the first person to respond and then went on a rant about Trump and his tweet.

It was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in person. I'm gutted that that building is gone before I had a chance to see it, and she did not give one solitary fuk, for all her caring about a Tweet. POS. After she was done, the rest of us just ignored that and talked about the actual event.

well Trump is her President and maybe his tweeting bothers her more than it does you... hardly reason to call her a POS in my eyes.

was this an exercise in outdoing each other in the grief stakes or what?

proving your cultural bona fides or something?

gozunda · 16-04-2019 10:00am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I mentioned Notre Dame first thing in the morning (we're in Asia) and she was the first person to respond and then went on a rant about Trump and his tweet.

It was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in person. I'm gutted that that building is gone before I had a chance to see it, and she did not give one solitary fuk, for all her caring about a Tweet. POS. After she was done, the rest of us just ignored that and talked about the actual event.

And 'she' was who?

16-04-2019 10:02am

lawred2 wrote: »

well Trump is her President and maybe his tweeting bothers her more than it does you... hardly reason to call her a POS in my eyes.

was this an exercise in outdoing each other in the grief stakes or what?

proving your cultural bona fides or something?

Wtf is wrong with you. Leave your hatred for me in the politics forum where it belongs.

There were six other people in the room equally as shocked as I was. Are you really going to turn this into me being the bad guy? Christ.

16-04-2019 10:03am

gozunda wrote: »

And 'she' was who?

My American colleague. I have many.

What sort of question is that? You want her name and details?

Lotus Flower · 16-04-2019 10:03am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I mentioned Notre Dame first thing in the morning (we're in Asia) and she was the first person to respond and then went on a rant about Trump and his tweet.

It was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in person. I'm gutted that that building is gone before I had a chance to see it, and she did not give one solitary fuk, for all her caring about a Tweet. POS. After she was done, the rest of us just ignored that and talked about the actual event.

Jesus, what an overreaction from you. From your previous post, I thought you were going to say she was agreeing with Trump

lawred2 · 16-04-2019 10:03am

Deleted User wrote: »

Wtf is wrong with you. Leave your hatred for me in the politics forum where it belongs.

There were six other people in the room equally as shocked as I was. Are you really going to turn this into me being the bad guy? Christ.

bad guy?

what?

As for hatred of you!? I honestly can't remember one other thing you've posted. Maybe you should settle down.

Hoboo · 16-04-2019 10:06am

Get a room the pair of you

josip · 16-04-2019 10:06am

Deleted User wrote: »

I mentioned Notre Dame first thing in the morning (we're in Asia) and she was the first person to respond and then went on a rant about Trump and his tweet.

It was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in person. I'm gutted that that building is gone before I had a chance to see it, and she did not give one solitary fuk, for all her caring about a Tweet. POS. After she was done, the rest of us just ignored that and talked about the actual event.

It's not as bad as it appeared on earlier news reports thanks to the inner stone vaulted ceiling which saved the interior of the church.
Damage wise, the roof is gone, the 19th century spire is gone...

The original spire was constructed in the 13th century, probably between 1220 and 1230. It was battered, weakened and bent by the wind over five centuries, and finally was removed in 1786. During the 19th century restoration, Eugène Viollet-le-Duc decided to recreate it, making a new version of oak covered with lead.

... at most 2 of the 3 rose windows are gone and there's a lot of damage around the altar.
I suspect/hope that 80% of the overall church is intact/unaffected.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 10:07am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My American colleague. I have many.

What sort of question is that? You want her name and details?

No - I thought perhaps you may have been referring to a news reporter or similar of whom some appear to have got great mileage from Trumps tweet.

More a reflection on the sad state of news reporting imo...

lawred2 · 16-04-2019 10:07am

josip wrote: »

It's not as bad as it appeared on earlier news reports thanks to the inner stone vaulted ceiling which saved the interior of the church.
Damage wise, the roof is gone, the 19th century spire is gone, at most 2 of the 3 rose windows are gone and there's a lot of damage around the altar.
I suspect/hope that 80% of the overall church is intact/unaffected.

that's great - there was a while yesterday evening where I fully expected the walls to collapse inwards

is_that_so · 16-04-2019 10:09am

lawred2 wrote: »

that's great - there was a while yesterday evening where I fully expected the walls to collapse inwards

They knew how to build things way back then!

mattser · 16-04-2019 10:10am

lawred2 wrote: »

well Trump is her President and maybe his tweeting bothers her more than it does you... hardly reason to call her a POS in my eyes.

was this an exercise in outdoing each other in the grief stakes or what?

proving your cultural bona fides or something?

Exactly. If there was indeed a POS it wasn't her.

Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

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