11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-01-2019 6:02pm

JMNolan wrote: »

Yes, you did

Here's what was said

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Sparsely means fell-length jeans, apparently. I've seen more "sparsely-dressed" hot-blooded 40-year-old guys outside pubs in the summer wacthing football and riding Harley Davidson motorocycles!

(Zorya posts clip about twerking)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yeah, the twerking's a bit far, granted.

So the claim:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I SPECICALLY said "jeans" in reponse to "sparsely dressed" BEFORE you posted the twerking video. Now either read the posts proprly, or put me on ignore.

Is proven.

So, if ANYWAY wants to make a claim on what I said or did not say - ****ING PROVE IT. Sorry for the rant and langauge, but that's three times I've said the same thing in reponse to vague unproven claims in posts containing "no you didn't" and **** all else.

There will not, to quote Hans Gruber, be a fourth.

ceadaoin. · 05-01-2019 6:03pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Well leaving a toddler up a roof is considerably more dangerous than allowing a child to dance in some shorts so they are not the same thing really. At the end of the day if his parents choose to support him by allowing him to do it then that's their choice. You can call it bad parenting but that's clearly not how they see it from their perspective.

Ok, so allowing your child to dance in a sexualised way for the entertainment of adults in an all adult environment, hang out with murderers and mimic drug taking, and (hopefully only) act like they are on drugs themselves isn't bad parenting now? Take out the drag/lgbt element and no one would be defending this.

It seems to me that this child has been groomed from a young age to be exploited, first by his parents and now by any of the other potentially dubious characters who have access to him.

p1akuw47h5r3it · 05-01-2019 6:03pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Well leaving a toddler up a roof is considerably more dangerous than allowing a child to dance in some shorts so they are not the same thing really. At the end of the day if his parents choose to support him by allowing him to do it then that's their choice. You can call it bad parenting but that's clearly not how they see it from their perspective.

It's not just dancing in some shorts though. It's dancing in a gay bar in front of adults who are giving him tips like one would a stripper in a strip club.

Sleeper12 · 05-01-2019 6:04pm

The kid isn't even a good dancer

0cp71eyxkb94qf · 05-01-2019 6:07pm

Honestly if this isn't borderline paedophillia what is? Is it because we are too afraid to call out these people as they purport to be from the LGBT community?? When is the bloody world going to wake up to this nonsense?!

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 6:13pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ok, so allowing your child to dance in a sexualised way for the entertainment of adults in an all adult environment, hang out with murderers and mimic drug taking, and (hopefully only) act like they are on drugs themselves isn't bad parenting now? Take out the drag/lbgt element and no one would be defending this.

It seems to me that this child has been groomed from a young age to be exploited.

I didn't say that it wasn't bad parenting I said that's not how the parents of the child would view it from their perspective.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It seems to me that this child has been groomed from a young age to be exploited.

So now his parents went from being bad parents to being paedos that's a fairly big leap to make.

banie01 · 05-01-2019 6:13pm

There is an awful lot wrong with how this kid is treated and the leeway that his being associated with LGBTQ groups is basically allowing a free pass for extremely questionable parenting.

IMHO the community needs to take a stand on this, to call out the ethical and moral issues this raises and address them head on.
Rather than lionize an exploited child as an example of "pride", surely it's more appropriate to ensure a safe, and unsexualised or even open to such misinterpretation childhood than it is to make a kid a fùcking Gogo dancer for tips!?

DS86DS · 05-01-2019 6:14pm

Kynlee Wrong Underpass wrote: »

Honestly if this isn't borderline paedophillia what is? Is it because we are too afraid to call out these people as they purport to be from the LGBT community?? When is the bloody world going to wake up to this nonsense?!

It's the same approach to when a terrorist attack happens and the repeated mantra of

"That it had nothing to do with Islam"

Disagree and get punished :rolleyes:

major bill · 05-01-2019 6:16pm

DS86DS wrote: »

What a load of nonsense. Typical anti-American and anti-Trump rubbish.

If these people were serious about the security of their children, they would not have risked their children's lives travelling thousands of miles across dangerous terrain and sweltering heat. But they did so anyway.

And there claims of asylum are false. Asylum means seeking refuge in the first country you enter. They not only didn't do that, but they continued to ignore the will of US sovereignty in crossing the border.

Trump and America have every right to enforce border security and the integrity of the United States. It is not anybody else's fault that these people choose to not only ignore US constitutional law, but the countless warnings they were given.

What you ****ing about?? Open Air Asylum refers to a joke that that place is one big open air mental Asylum

Lol relax

cdeb · 05-01-2019 6:17pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

His website says he's known he was gay since two or three

I'd be highly sceptical of that. What 2/3 year old even knows what being gay is, let alone can decide they are it?

Zorya · 05-01-2019 6:17pm

banie01 wrote: »

There is an awful lot wrong with how this kid is treated and the leeway that his being associated with LGBTQ groups is basically allowing a free pass for extremely questionable parenting.

IMHO the community needs to take a stand on this, to call out the ethical and moral issues this raises and address them head on.
Rather than lionize an exploited child as an example of "pride", surely it's more appropriate to ensure a safe, and unsexualised or even open to such misinterpretation childhood than it is to make a kid a fùcking Gogo dancer for tips!?

There are many who are calling it out in the LGBT community online - they know what is going on, the creeping legitimisation. And yet instead of calling such activities out Dr James Cantor, prominent Canadian clinical psychologist and sexologist, has very recently tweeted this...

https://twitter.com/JamesCantorPhD/status/1071499969910198274

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-01-2019 6:17pm

DS86DS wrote: »

It's the same approach to when a terrorist attack happens and the repeated mantra of

"That it had nothing to do with Islam"

Disagree and get punished :rolleyes:

Two posts and you're brought in Trump and terorrism.

This is nothing to do with either, and plenty are people are disagreeing with the topic and are not getting any sanctions, as you'd know if you actually looked at the reality once in a while.

ceadaoin. · 05-01-2019 6:18pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I didn't say that it wasn't bad parenting I said that's not how the parents of the child would view it from their perspective.

So now his parents went from being bad parents to being paedos that's a fairly big leap to make.

No, groomed to be exploited by them is what I said. A child performing in this way to support an entire family on the grounds that it's "what he wants to do" is exploitation and given that they started introducing him to these elements at 2 years of age, there is grooming involved too IMO

AbdulAbhaile · 05-01-2019 6:18pm

major bill wrote: »

The United States of America aka the worlds biggest open air asylum!!

this is not normal. Poor kid

Yea, build the wall, keep them in.

banie01 · 05-01-2019 6:21pm

Zorya wrote: »

There are many who are calling it out in the LGBT community online - they know what is going on, the creeping legitimisation. And yet instead of calling such activities out Dr James Cantor, prominent Canadian clinical psychologist and sexologist, has very recently tweeted this...

https://twitter.com/JamesCantorPhD/status/1071499969910198274

The spectre of NAMBLA and the "rights" of certain groups really will try and attach themselves to any coat tail and try to normalize societal views of their predilections.
And in an age when taking a firm position is all too often seen as being homophobic, misandric or mysoginist it is very worrying how much caché they can carry before being called out openly!

Atoms for Peace · 05-01-2019 6:28pm

The whole LGBT pride thing is surely passed it sell by date at this stage. It seems to promulgate a ridiculous camp stereotype.

wakka12 · 05-01-2019 6:35pm

I think its weird and distubring , Im 'lgbt', the boy will have severe mental health issues later inlife as he is being placed in a highly sexualised environment that he cannot fully comprehend at his age
Anyone who thinks this is great is probably a paedophile and these paedophiles happen to be gay, why does it have to mean all gay people are accepting or even condoning of this stuff?

cgcsb · 05-01-2019 6:37pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The whole LGBT pride thing is surely passed it sell by date at this stage. It seems to promulgate a ridiculous camp stereotype.

Oh sweetie if u wanna pick that scab this ain't the place for it. Certainly telling gay people that an aspect of gay culture is 'passed it' is going to get you a right telling off. Maybe paddy's day is past it?

05-01-2019 6:39pm

Panthro wrote: »

I had to Google NOMAPS.
Too many Acronyms in today's world.
WTF like, lol.

So did I have to google those acronyms, now I know I knew (three decades ago) a NOMAP HEBE, who would have been a MAP but that the 12/13 year old’s father ordered him (aged 21 at home) out of the boy’s life when he caught him tightly hugging the boy in his hallway as a parting gesture as he left him home. The man concerned could be described as a community volunteer, and had an aura of responsibility and respectability, such as the boys parents and others thought of him as a fine young pillar of a lower middle class/working class community who was going places in life. Declared to me privately he was in love with the boy, but insisted on being identified solely as Gay, having little or no interest in females. Has remained to this day a gay rights & gender equality activist verging on the political sphere, could even appear on election posters one day. There were others quite like him as volunteers in same community. Gay male friends have in the intervening years quite assured me their interest is solely in own age/equally mature partners, for some time I was erroneously convinced of something like this: a few straight men are pedophiles, most are not; most gay males are at least verging on pedophilia. That was my false belief, sort of not helped by my father’s influence as he had been abused by a policeman as a young teenage boy. Our beliefs and the world are quite messy, and it’s important to always be on the search for actual truths rather than beliefs.

Zorya · 05-01-2019 6:41pm

wakka12 wrote: »

I think its weird and distubring , Im 'lgbt', the boy will have severe mental health issues later inlife as he is being placed in a highly sexualised environment that he cannot fully comprehend at his age
Anyone who thinks this is great is probably a paedophile and these paedophiles happen to be gay, why does it have to mean all gay people are accepting or even condoning of this stuff?

It certainly doesn't mean all gay people are in any way accepting or condoning of such. Not at all.

They are being linked because the MAPs are trying to get in on the scene and they are using transgender ideology to back it up. Born this way etc.

But lgbt also have to acknowledge the murky history. The gay rights movement from the beginning of its public phase often associated with NAMBLA. NAMBLE was welcomed to gay pride parades in the beginning. The idea of children being included in the sexual revolution was considered by many. Google Harry Hay in his NAMBLA overall. Reduction of the age of consent was part of the early movement. Facts is facts.

LGB have to work hard to get this off their back. There can be no equivocation. No ''who cares'', no'' the kid's happy'', no relativism at all.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-01-2019 6:43pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

it's like something from the last days of Rome

Or the first days of Rome, truth be told.

cgcsb · 05-01-2019 6:44pm

banie01 wrote: »

The spectre of NAMBLA and the "rights" of certain groups really will try and attach themselves to any coat tail and try to normalize societal views of their predilections.
And in an age when taking a firm position is all too often seen as being homophobic, misandric or mysoginist it is very worrying how much caché they can carry before being called out openly!

I think that you can state your view without being labelled, by anyone worth listening to, as anything. Provided of course your opinion is in fact not objectively homophobic.

sk8erboii · 05-01-2019 6:51pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

it's like something from the last days of Rome

Lol@ uneducated people.
Western Rome was catholic at its destruction

Ironically at the the peak of classical civilization man-boy love was a big thing.

Not defending pedos though

05-01-2019 6:51pm

This is sick. that poor little boy

Gatling · 05-01-2019 6:53pm

So grown gay men salvating over a young boy shaking his ass at them while skimpily dressed in a gay club nobody should draw or come to any conclusions other than it's entertainment?

cgcsb · 05-01-2019 6:57pm

Zorya wrote: »

LGB have to work hard to get this off their back. There can be no equivocation. No ''who cares'', no'' the kid's happy'', no relativism at all.

I'll stop ya there, we really don't have to get anything off our backs, having not being born and living on a different continent and all. Similarly I don't think a modern Catholic has to explain Magdalene laundries to me.

Potential-Monke · 05-01-2019 6:59pm

I don't have kids. I don't want kids. I want nothing to do with them tbh. But anyone saying this is anything but borderline paedophile enabling are just wrong. S/He can dress and dance whatever way they want, but it should never, i repeat, NEVER happen in a club for adults. Never. I'd say something if this was a day-time event and there were other LGBTQ kids there doing a show also, but this is an 11 year old, doesn't matter if they're male, female or anything in-between, they are being sexualised for the benefit of adults.

And I think it's completely fair to compare it to a 'straight' 11 year old girl doing the exact same. At the end of the day, and 11 year old is a child, their sexuality just does not come into it. S/He could be dressed head to toe in a burka, but if s/he on stage 'performing' and adults are throwing money at him/her, that's 100% wrong. Let the child be whatever they want to be, but don't bring it into adult situations.

At the end of the day, sexuality doesn't not trump the law, and the parents of this child should be heavily reprimanded for this, as if it was a 'straight' child doing the same, child services would be in like a hot snot off a slate.

Zorya · 05-01-2019 7:01pm

cgcsb wrote: »

I'll stop ya there, we really don't have to get anything off our backs, having not being born and living on a different continent and all. Similarly I don't think a modern Catholic has to explain Magdalene laundries to me.

I think you should probably research age of consent activism in the UK, highly politically connected and on your very own continent.

Defaulter1831 · 05-01-2019 7:02pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I can certainly see that point of view but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScHuQQOLS-g

He doesn't seem unhappy in this interview granted it could all be an act but how would we know if it is or isn't what he truly wants to do and wants to be.

'Desmond's parents say he started to play with gender expression as a toddler'.

This made me lol. All young toddlers and kids pretend at being daddies, mammies, boys and girls. They sound like parents who are really trying to push their child as 'special'. It's abusive.

EdgeCase · 05-01-2019 7:02pm

There's a very serious issue and it's nothing to do with straight, gay, lesbian, bi or trans. It's about child protection and ability to consent. If you're a minor you've an absolute right to protection and you do not have an ability to consent to anything or to be put on stage in an abusive way like that.

A kid having issues with gender identity is one thing, but turning those into a stage show with any kind of sexual theme is a VERY different issue and one that cannot be condoned.

The fact that this disturbing act may be themed towards drag is irrelevant. It's no different to some creepy act involving an underage girl and a male adult audience.

I find the fact that there's someone trying to roll this into the LGBT label absolutely disgusting whether it's from the left or the right wing point of view.

Bear in mind the LGBT community is not some kind of organisation. It's just the % of people who happen to be LGBT. You might as well be trying to define a structure for all those with green eyes, curly hair or anything else. There's no official stamp of approval given out and that so called drag act is absolutely disturbing.

I just see a weird child act trying to attach a mainstream community's label to it to give itself legitimacy and I see a far right trying to attach the label to it too to attack a community / section of society that they hate.

It's like grabbing some bizzare and disturbing performance, stamping it with a load of shamrocks and then trying to blame it on the Irish. That would be totally unfair and ridiculous and so is this.

cgcsb · 05-01-2019 7:03pm

Zorya wrote: »

I think you should probably research age of consent activism in the UK, highly politically connected and on your very own continent.

Assuming that to be true. So what?

Zorya · 05-01-2019 7:03pm

This recent video is said to be Lactatia, another sexualised, poor child being dragged around the circuit by their parents, but I think it is Desmond. It is one minute long, includes references to putting the P in LGBT and snorting ketamine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmrp3JVFrb8

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 7:03pm

backspin. wrote: »

If this was an 11 year old girl dancing infront of adult men there would be absolute outrage and rightly so. I just don't get why there is such support of this obvious abuse of a young boy.

We live in really f**ked up times.

Jodie Foster was 12 years old when she played a child prostitute in Taxi Driver.
That was in 1976.
Penny's used to sell padded bikini tops for 7 year olds - think about that. 7 year old girls with padded bikini tops.
This is a 'nipple tassled t-shirt' for small girls https://s24193.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Nipple-Tshirt-ENTITY.jpg

Nipple tassles.

Do I condone what is happening with this boy? No.
Do I know young girls are being sexualised constantly? Yes.
Clothing shops (including here in Ireland) are aiming products that are more overtly sexual at girls younger than Foster was when she played a prostitute.

I could probably find girls as young as 11 dancing sexually in front of adults if I wanted to - I don't want to.

Zorya · 05-01-2019 7:05pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Assuming that to be true. So what?

Yeah, I was just addressing your objection re continents.

''So What''. That is the classic response of deconstructionists. There actually is a So and a What. No matter how many times people say So What.

nullzero · 05-01-2019 7:06pm

You'd have to imagine there are a lot of gay people out there seeing this and having their heads in their hands afterwards.
It's like the Iona institute's idea of what being a gay man entails.

Sleeper12 · 05-01-2019 7:07pm

Gatling wrote:

So grown gay men salvating over a young boy shaking his ass at them while skimpily dressed in a gay club nobody should draw or come to any conclusions other than it's entertainment?

Have you actually watched the video? I only see some photographers. I don't see any men, gay or straight, salvating. You have a great imagination. Is it even a nightclub? It looks like a talant show to me.

I do have an issue with any child, boy or girl, preforming in a nightclub, gay or straight.

Zorya · 05-01-2019 7:10pm

splashuum · 05-01-2019 7:12pm

Zorya wrote: »

This recent video is said to be Lactatia, another sexualised, poor child being dragged around the circuit by their parents, but I think it is Desmond. It is one minute long, includes references to putting the P in LGBT and snorting ketamine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmrp3JVFrb8

That is Desmond.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 7:14pm

Defaulter1831 wrote: »

'Desmond's parents say he started to play with gender expression as a toddler'.

This made me lol. All young toddlers and kids pretend at being daddies, mammies, boys and girls. They sound like parents who are really trying to push their child as 'special'. It's abusive.

Or maybe just maybe they are allowing their child to express himself as he wants.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsO6f40Bln3/?hl=en

No one will probably bother to read his mother's comment on this post about the video in the OP because they have already made their mind up about the person she is and how terrible of a parent she it and they aren't open to having their minds changed. I for one believe her in that they are simply allowing the child to do what he wants to do and allowing him to express himself in the way that he does.

Ulysses Gaze · 05-01-2019 7:14pm

Zorya wrote: »

There are many who are calling it out in the LGBT community online - they know what is going on, the creeping legitimisation. And yet instead of calling such activities out Dr James Cantor, prominent Canadian clinical psychologist and sexologist, has very recently tweeted this...

https://twitter.com/JamesCantorPhD/status/1071499969910198274

Add this to the 2018 Tedx Talks by Mirjam Heine and Madeleine van der Bruggen and there is some serious Kite Flying going on.

cursai · 05-01-2019 7:15pm

Hopefully someone kidnaps the poor child and brings him to Mexico.

Defaulter1831 · 05-01-2019 7:19pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Or maybe just maybe they are allowing their child to express himself as he wants.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsO6f40Bln3/?hl=en

No one will probably bother to read his mother's comment on this post about the video in the OP because they have already made their mind up about the person she is and how terrible of a parent she it and they aren't open to having their minds changed. I for one believe her in that they are simply allowing the child to do what he wants to do and allowing him to express himself in the way that he does.

Allowed to express himself as he wants..interesting concept..

There's a thing called parenting which protects children until they are mature enough to make their own decisions.

Express themselves as they want.. run through the library and mess everything up without parental reproach, be rude and mean to others etc.

Parents can't allow children 'to express themselves as they want'. Fluffy, feel good nonsense.

freshpopcorn · 05-01-2019 7:22pm

I think I saw this kid on TV before from what I remember he used watch some program which featured a lot of drag acts when he was a kid. I believe the program would have being unapproiate for kids it would have being like showing a kid Amercian Pie or something similar.
When I was a kid I did see soaps/the did offence comedy and cartoons. I think I wanted to be a banana in pajamas or a rally driver from what I saw on TV!

ceadaoin. · 05-01-2019 7:22pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Or maybe just maybe they are allowing their child to express himself as he wants.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsO6f40Bln3/?hl=en

No one will probably bother to read his mother's comment on this post about the video in the OP because they have already made their mind up about the person she is and how terrible of a parent she it and they aren't open to having their minds changed. I for one believe her in that they are simply allowing the child to do what he wants to do and allowing him to express himself in the way that he does.

Nothing wrong with allowing their child to express himself if it's in a safe manner with boundaries in place. It crosses a line when it becomes about making money and allowing your child to become a commodity for the titillation of adults.

Oh and also, exposing an 11 year old to drug taking, having them in nightclubs and allowing them to associate with murderers is more than letting them "express themselves"

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 7:27pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Or maybe just maybe they are allowing their child to express himself as he wants.

No one will probably bother to read his mother's comment on this post about the video in the OP because they have already made their mind up about the person she is and how terrible of a parent she it and they aren't open to having their minds changed. I for one believe her in that they are simply allowing the child to do what he wants to do and allowing him to express himself in the way that he does.

Thankfully most kids have parents that set boundaries. F*ck. That.

pjohnson · 05-01-2019 7:29pm

Thank god he didnt want to express himself through murder eh?

0cp71eyxkb94qf · 05-01-2019 7:31pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Jodie Foster was 12 years old when she played a child prostitute in Taxi Driver.
That was in 1976.
Penny's used to sell padded bikini tops for 7 year olds - think about that. 7 year old girls with padded bikini tops.
This is a 'nipple tassled t-shirt' for small girls https://s24193.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Nipple-Tshirt-ENTITY.jpg

Nipple tassles.

Do I condone what is happening with this boy? No.
Do I know young girls are being sexualised constantly? Yes.
Clothing shops (including here in Ireland) are aiming products that are more overtly sexual at girls younger than Foster was when she played a prostitute.

I could probably find girls as young as 11 dancing sexually in front of adults if I wanted to - I don't want to.

The biggest pile of whataboutery crap I have read on boards. This is about a young boy being exposed to a sexualised environment of which he cannot comprehend yet you feel the need to say, "but wimminz have suffered more!!111".

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 7:33pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Thank god he didnt want to express himself through murder eh?

Yeah because that would be illegal. Nothing illegal about what he is doing or has done in the past even if it is reprehensible and inappropriate which is what the vast majority of people in this thread believe it to be.

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 7:35pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think I saw this kid on TV before from what I remember he used watch some program which featured a lot of drag acts when he was a kid. I believe the program would have being unapproiate for kids it would have being like showing a kid Amercian Pie or something similar.
When I was a kid I did see soaps/the did offence comedy and cartoons. I think I wanted to be a banana in pajamas or a rally driver from what I saw on TV!

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 7:39pm

Kynlee Wrong Underpass wrote: »

The biggest pile of whataboutery crap I have read on boards. This is about a young boy being exposed to a sexualised environment of which he cannot comprehend yet you feel the need to say, "but wimminz have suffered more!!111".

Get off the stage with your faux outrage darling.

Poster said "if girls were... yada yada"

I pointed out girls already are... and have been for a loooong time.

Is it ok if a girl is exposed to a sexualised environment she cannot yet comprehend?

No.

Is it worse when it is a boy?

NO.

Both are equally awful.

11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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