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Smart Intruder Alarms

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  • #202
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Krombopulos Michael wrote: »
    How do you find the Eufy Doorbell and is there a subscription for video storage?

    No. We have a hub in the house which has 16gb of storage

    If you are going with the Eufy doorbell. Get the battery one as it can also be hardwired in to use your original chime.

    Quality is excellent on the doorbell and also voice quality is very good and also the cameras which are wireless and you charge them every 6 months.

    I don’t need to charge the doorbell as it’s hardwired in.


  • #203
    kmart6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    I just moved into a new build and working on a Smart Home

    Ive done the following


    -Installed Ajax Alarm System

    Did you do this yourself or through an alarm company?


  • #204
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Did you do this yourself or through an alarm company?

    Installed myself except for the External Siren, Im not one for Heights and I wanted it hardwired.

    Installing an Ajax Alarm system is as simple if you go Wireless.


  • #205
    kmart6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Do you mind saying where you purchased it? What kinda kit did you start out with?


  • #206
    Pete123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Do you mind saying where you purchased it? What kinda kit did you start out with?

    Outlined here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058057652&page=2


  • #207
    Zxthinger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    Wheres the best place to buy a Yale unit off the shelf..?


  • #208
    danicm
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭danicm


    Zxthinger wrote: »
    Wheres the best place to buy a Yale unit off the shelf..?

    I bought the Yale Sync Smart Home Alarm earlier this year from Amazon. I bought the package I linked (they have other packages to suit different needs) and also bought a few other bits and pieces to cover all access doors and downstair windows.
    I installed everything myself, very simple to do. They include screws and plugs as well as double sided tape, but I installed everything with screws as double-sided tape eventually fails.
    It works with Google Assistant which is my preferred option for driving my smart devices. You can ask Google questions like is a door or window closed, and you can arm the alarm, but you can't disarm it obviously for security reasons. For disarming it has to be from the mobile app or control panel.
    The Yale mobile app is also pretty decent, you can arm/disarm remotely and you get notifications, email and an SMS if the alarm goes off.


  • #209
    Daveq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭Daveq


    Thanks to everyone's excellent info in this thread I'm going to go for an Ajax alarm myself.

    Just wanted to highlight for anyone else looking into it, that www.megateh.eu/ have a black Friday sale on at the moment! 15 -40% off!


    Anyway, quick question for those with the external sounder. I have an old Aritech alarm on the house (+15 years old) which I will be removing. I'm guessing there is no way to integrate the current external sounder with Ajax? so planning that I will be replacing that too.
    To save me climbing up to replace batteries and trying to get my hands on a ladder every so often. I see that it can be powered via 12V, could I in theory place a battery like below in the attic and run cable into the attic and only have to climb to the attic to replace the battery?

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/sealed-lead-acid-battery-12v-7-0ah/38315#product_additional_details_container


  • #210
    maxamillius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭maxamillius


    Daveq wrote: »
    Thanks to everyone's excellent info in this thread I'm going to go for an Ajax alarm myself.

    Just wanted to highlight for anyone else looking into it, that www.megateh.eu/ have a black Friday sale on at the moment! 15 -40% off!


    Anyway, quick question for those with the external sounder. I have an old Aritech alarm on the house (+15 years old) which I will be removing. I'm guessing there is no way to integrate the current external sounder with Ajax? so planning that I will be replacing that too.
    To save me climbing up to replace batteries and trying to get my hands on a ladder every so often. I see that it can be powered via 12V, could I in theory place a battery like below in the attic and run cable into the attic and only have to climb to the attic to replace the battery?

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/sealed-lead-acid-battery-12v-7-0ah/38315#product_additional_details_container

    Can’t see any reason as to why that wouldn’t work


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  • #211
    lardarse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭lardarse


    for the bell box maybe try the below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL2693lyWxI&ab_channel=PoseidwnTech

    I`ll be installing the ajax bell box in the next few weeks, and was planning on using an old 12v DC 1amp phone charger that i`ll extend with bell wire. then you don`t need an extra battery.


  • #212
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    lardarse wrote: »
    for the bell box maybe try the below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL2693lyWxI&ab_channel=PoseidwnTech

    I`ll be installing the ajax bell box in the next few weeks, and was planning on using an old 12v DC 1amp phone charger that i`ll extend with bell wire. then you don`t need an extra battery.

    Would something like this work?

    EFISH 12V 1A 12W Power Supply,AC to DC Adapter with 7 Selectable Adapter Conversion Heads fit for Led Strips,CCTV Camera,Cisco Router,Router,Alarm bell,Case Fan,CE Approved(White) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07TSJ2DCJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_4TyVFbS1SE4E5


  • #213
    maxamillius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭maxamillius


    Best alarm system webshop.eu are doing good discounts on the Ajax alarm system for anyone looking


  • #214
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    lardarse wrote: »
    for the bell box maybe try the below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL2693lyWxI&ab_channel=PoseidwnTech

    I`ll be installing the ajax bell box in the next few weeks, and was planning on using an old 12v DC 1amp phone charger that i`ll extend with bell wire. then you don`t need an extra battery.

    Normally external bell boxes have an internal battery so that in the event of failure of the external supply it can continue to function. Obviously the hone charger will power off in the event of a power cut. This may not be an issue for you, but it is good to be aware of it.

    On anther note: I would not expect a normal phone charger to be 12V or to be able to supply 1 amp.


  • #215
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    2011 wrote: »
    Normally external bell boxes have an internal battery so that in the event of failure of the external supply it can continue to function. Obviously the hone charger will power off in the event of a power cut. This may not be an issue for you, but it is good to be aware of it.

    On anther note: I would not expect a normal phone charger to be 12V or to be able to supply 1 amp.
    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Would something like this work?

    EFISH 12V 1A 12W Power Supply,AC to DC Adapter with 7 Selectable Adapter Conversion Heads fit for Led Strips,CCTV Camera,Cisco Router,Router,Alarm bell,Case Fan,CE Approved(White) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07TSJ2DCJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_4TyVFbS1SE4E5

    Would this one not work?


  • #216
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Would this one not work?

    Yes.
    This would work when there is no power cut.


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  • #217
    caddy16
    Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭caddy16


    Ring alarm starter kit on sale in Screwfix now €190 for anyone interested. Keypad looks different to amazon version, may be not the newer model released earlier this year.


  • #218
    mcgovern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    Anyone ever have problems with their Ajax DoorProtect Plus?
    I have two, one of them is stuck at always open, and the other one is always reporting closed...
    They did work originally. Not ideal situation obviously.

    I have several normal DoorProtects and they are fine.


  • #219
    garion
    Registered Users Posts: 463 ✭✭garion


    mcgovern wrote: »
    Anyone ever have problems with their Ajax DoorProtect Plus?
    I have two, one of them is stuck at always open, and the other one is always reporting closed...
    They did work originally. Not ideal situation obviously.

    I have several normal DoorProtects and they are fine.

    No issue with mine so far. Have you done a reset from the app and changed the battery?


  • #220
    mcgovern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    garion wrote: »
    No issue with mine so far. Have you done a reset from the app and changed the battery?

    I did unpair and re-pair them but it didn't help.
    Battery is being reported as 100% which is I guess a bit suspicous but if I open the lid for example it sends an alert so certainly not completely dead.
    I don't have spare batteries so I just now tried taking the battery out of a spare DoorProtect (interestingly Panasonic where the DP+ was Ajax branded) and using that but issue is still there.


  • #221
    bittihuduga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭bittihuduga


    what is the advantage of wireless over wired (if the house is already prewired for sensors)?
    would the alarm work when internet is down?

    i currently have xiaomi door sensors and gateway connected to home assistant.
    was looking into ajax or hkc systems. would they integrate easily with home assistant?
    i had spc in the previous house which required additional paid gateway to integrate into home assistant.


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  • #222
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    bittihuduga wrote: »
    what is the advantage of wireless over wired (if the house is already prewired for sensors)?
    would the alarm work when internet is down?

    i currently have xiaomi door sensors and gateway connected to home assistant.
    was looking into ajax or hkc systems. would they integrate easily with home assistant?
    i had spc in the previous house which required additional paid gateway to integrate into home assistant.

    Ajax has hardwired, GSM and WiFi connections... So they can have a secondary communication method in case you have a virgin router. But the actual devices run on their own mesh.

    Hard wired systems also require a method of communication in particular if it is a monitored system.


  • #223
    bittihuduga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭bittihuduga


    thanks, yes, hard wired too require something to communicate to outside world - internet or gsm.
    does ajax talks well with home assistant?
    i may look into it - looks like its a good solution.
    need to find an installer in dublin :-)


  • #224
    garion
    Registered Users Posts: 463 ✭✭garion


    Looks like Best Alarm System have a decent sale (~15%) on Ajax products. Seem to be the best value out there at the moment and there's free delivery too.

    I ordered an external siren and a few sensors at 5pm last night and got a shipping notice at 6.30pm!

    Have used them before and never had an issue.


  • #225
    fergalmurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭fergalmurphy


    Hi Folks,

    Came across this very interesting thread while researching for a new home alarm.
    Recently just bought a new home and looking for an alarm system, I was going to go with a wired system as the house is wired but on closer inspection some of the cables have been cut and now to short to attached to sensors etc (some cables then no issue)... had an installer out to look and they were talking about a hybrid HKC system of wired/wireless, I'm not so keen on that I would prefer either fully wired or wireless tbh, but interested to hear peoples opinion on that who probably have more knowledge then myself.

    Anyhow I came across Ajax alarms online and my head has been turned by them, really good product, reviews etc... Some folks here have installed Ajax for 12 months now and curious, 12 months later are you still happy, would you recommend? any major issues or gotchas to be aware of? I know Home Secure install Ajax and for the 9 sensors I am looking at, mix of DoorProtectPlus & MotionProtect, keypad, hub, siren etc would cost me roughly 1400 over 3 years... Anyone had experience with Home Secure, they say at the end of the 3 years the equipment is yours and you can walk away, they will supply all the codes you require etc so you can go self monitoring... is that really the case or just marketing fluff?

    I know if I go self install I can get better value alright, save myself maybe 300.. but only self monitoring then, maintenance etc on myself which I'm OK with.. I talked to my home insurer who said that although they don't check to ensure the alarm was professionally installed by someone licensed if there was a break in and found the alarm wasn't installed professionally then you may have issues with the claim, anyone again experience of this?

    Do people who use Ajax just use the wifi or would you also back up over GSM? Too be fair my broadband is pretty solid I cant remember the last time I had an outage longer than a hour so I think I would be happy to just go wifi but again curious? What providers did you use for the SIM?

    I was looking online to see if I could find a data point on this, couldnt but was wondering does anyone have any idea what kind of bandwith Ajax require to function without issue, I'm assuming very little... reason for asking it I have alot of stuff connected to my wifi already, phones, laptops, ipads, kids constantly streaming Disney, smart speakers, smart lights, plugs, indoor cameras, doorbell... the new house I can only get max 30mb so curious with these all components all fighting for resources along with Ajax now could I have an issue, i dont so think but throwing it out there...

    Appreciate any feedback.


  • #226
    mcgovern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    I guess I am one of the few less satifised customers here.
    I found the PIRs (CombiProtect) to not have great range, struggled to find a position for them that would detect motion where I would expect to see it (and I don't have big rooms).
    Both my Door Protect Pluss have broke and I'm waiting for them to arrive back for RMA.
    The alerts struggle, sometimes we forget to turn off the alarm when returning home and then 5 minutes later the alarm goes off with a bunch of notifications.
    Most of these issues you probably don't have to worry about though if going with a managed install (I bought online and installed myself).
    I wouldn't expect any issues with Wifi, the connection from the Hub to the sensors uses there own radio network, not Wifi. Wifi just needed for alerting so that would be tiny, tiny amount.


  • #227
    fergalmurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭fergalmurphy


    I'm thinking I might go self install, I might have missed the boat however, Best Alarm System were doing a sale which looks to have ended, what was costing me 950 is now 1150... :(

    Curious have you been in touch with Ajax Customer Support about your issues? Were they helpful/responsive?


  • #228
    Supercell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    fergalmurphy wrote: »
    I'm thinking I might go self install, I might have missed the boat however, Best Alarm System were doing a sale which looks to have ended, what was costing me 950 is now 1150... :(

    Curious have you been in touch with Ajax Customer Support about your issues? Were they helpful/responsive?

    Just ordered some kit from them and got the 20% off, unless its a furniture store type discount where they hike up the prices and then give a "discount" ?
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • #229
    mcgovern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    fergalmurphy wrote: »
    I'm thinking I might go self install, I might have missed the boat however, Best Alarm System were doing a sale which looks to have ended, what was costing me 950 is now 1150... :(

    Curious have you been in touch with Ajax Customer Support about your issues? Were they helpful/responsive?

    They just said it was a warranty issue and return to where I purchased.
    That was Megateh.eu who have responded quickly to all my questions, but I'm waiting for them to arrive back to them in Estonia. Cost 7 euro to ship but I'm thinking now I should have the extra for tracking.


  • #230
    fergalmurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭fergalmurphy


    Supercell wrote: »
    Just ordered some kit from them and got the 20% off, unless its a furniture store type discount where they hike up the prices and then give a "discount" ?

    Over the wkend each individual item was discounted, was easy to see in the shopping cart, today each item was full price with the discount applied on the Subtotal, works out the same so all good... Very tempted to pull the trigger. Looks like a great system..


  • #231
    Daveq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭Daveq


    What SIM card are people using? I seen Vodafone mentioned earlier in the thread but I think I got on it too late and ended up on a new deal.

    The T&C's say that a top up of €5 is only needed every 6months, which is grand but problem is that is just to keep the sim card active. They charge €1.99 a week for data, I got onto them and they said that's the best they have, I was hoping for a pay as you go per kb 😟


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  • #232
    Supercell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Daveq wrote: »
    What SIM card are people using? I seen Vodafone mentioned earlier in the thread but I think I got on it too late and ended up on a new deal.

    The T&C's say that a top up of €5 is only needed every 6months, which is grand but problem is that is just to keep the sim card active. They charge €1.99 a week for data, I got onto them and they said that's the best they have, I was hoping for a pay as you go per kb ��

    Is data needed?, i thought it just needed 2G connectivity for SMS's and thats it (I have a Hub 2 in case that makes a difference).
    I just asked advice on a sim on the mobile forum as well.
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • #233
    Daveq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭Daveq


    Supercell wrote: »
    Is data needed?, i thought it just needed 2G connectivity for SMS's and thats it (I have a Hub 2 in case that makes a difference).
    I just asked advice on a sim on the mobile forum as well.

    Ah thank you, good thinking! I'll turn off data and try that, I'd get notifications anyway but I'd imagine you need data to arm/disarm if internet went down? Or can that be done via an SMS command? (I'm using a Hub2 +)


  • #234
    mcgovern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    Daveq wrote: »
    Ah thank you, good thinking! I'll turn off data and try that, I'd get notifications anyway but I'd imagine you need data to arm/disarm if internet went down? Or can that be done via an SMS command? (I'm using a Hub2 +)

    If you are physically there you could still arm/disarm provided it is just your Internet down but WiFi still up (i.e. your home network still running, even if it can't get outside).

    Update on my RMA with Megateh. Posted over 3 weeks ago but they say it hasn't arrived yet. An Post don't answer enquiries.


  • #235
    Pete123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    mcgovern wrote: »
    If you are physically there you could still arm/disarm provided it is just your Internet down but WiFi still up (i.e. your home network still running, even if it can't get outside).

    Update on my RMA with Megateh. Posted over 3 weeks ago but they say it hasn't arrived yet. An Post don't answer enquiries.

    Did your order arrive?

    Does anybody have a discount code for Megateh? Need to order a few more bits


  • #236
    mcgovern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    Pete123456 wrote: »
    Did your order arrive?

    Does anybody have a discount code for Megateh? Need to order a few more bits

    Yes, it took about 6 weeks to get there. Then Megateh sent it back to Ajax. I'm told Ajax sent it back to Megateh a week or so ago. So after 2.5 months it's still not on its way back to me.


  • #237
    mcgovern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    mcgovern wrote: »
    Yes, it took about 6 weeks to get there. Then Megateh sent it back to Ajax. I'm told Ajax sent it back to Megateh a week or so ago. So after 2.5 months it's still not on its way back to me.

    Just an update, they arrived back about 2 weeks ago, 2 brand new units. Megateh contacted me to see if I wanted to buy anything and they'd ship it with the returns for free. Whole process took 3 months but I think that was An Post and not Megateh. The ticket I opened with An Post was closed after a month saying they don't know what happened...Great service from them


  • #238
    zinzan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭zinzan


    Have pretty much decided on an Ajax system thanks to his thread.

    Just one question - our windows (uPVC) have quite a curved profile where I'd be fitting the sensor - has anyone installed with similar and if so any pictures available?

    Thanks..


  • #239
    machiavellianme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,655 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    mcgovern wrote: »
    Just an update, they arrived back about 2 weeks ago, 2 brand new units. Megateh contacted me to see if I wanted to buy anything and they'd ship it with the returns for free. Whole process took 3 months but I think that was An Post and not Megateh. The ticket I opened with An Post was closed after a month saying they don't know what happened...Great service from them

    Cheers McGovern, I'm going through the same process as also had a faulty Doorprotect+ that was stuck in open. Only sent the faulty unit back via an post last month so I guess I've a bit of a wait. The other 20 units were fine though so I can't complain.


  • #240
    Pappillon
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭Pappillon


    Hi guys,

    I am researching installing a smart home alarm system and smart thermostat and I've stubbled into this thread. It's great, thanks, and I am now thinking of going with an Ajax alarm.

    At the moment I hotspot off my (unlimited data) vodafone mobile for all my home internet needs but I will obviously need a different solution for an alarm/thermostat.

    As I am contracted (another 12 months) with my mobile plan I will continue with this for the majority of my data needs. This should mean all I need is a data package to cover the smart alarm / thermostat data needs and at the moment, if suitable and possible, I am swinging towards getting a vodafone data sim for the alarm/thermostat and a vodafone gsm sim for the alarm backup. My question is, do anyone of you have an idea how much data a typical Ajax system would consume per month?

    To be a little more specific, the system I am planning is similiar(ish) in scale to the system that Garion installed with:
    Hub 2
    Keypad
    MotionCam
    Door Protect x2
    Door Protect Plus x 5
    Street Siren
    Fire Protect Plus

    As a side note, the thermostat I am looking at is the Siemens RDS110.

    Thanks again for all the info and help in the thread so far...

    Regards,
    P


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  • #241
    Daveq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭Daveq


    zinzan wrote: »
    Have pretty much decided on an Ajax system thanks to his thread.

    Just one question - our windows (uPVC) have quite a curved profile where I'd be fitting the sensor - has anyone installed with similar and if so any pictures available?

    Thanks..

    We have the same. The magnet has to go on the left side of the detector so I've gone with two different scenarios.

    On a right hand side window the detector is on the frame. I've aligned the left side of the detector against the straight line so it's not at an angle, but the gap is too much for the small magnet so I've used the big one.
    On the a left or centre window I've the detector on the window opening and the magnet on the frame. If I put the small magnet on the curve it can pick it up. I find the small magnet on the curve doesn't look as out of place as the big one or detector on the curve. If all that makes sense??


  • #242
    zinzan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭zinzan


    That's exactly what I was concerned about, thanks for the clarification!
    Glad to see it's manageable.


  • #243
    poker--addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    looks like that Spanish site is now dead.

    😎



  • #244
    Pete123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    poker--addict wrote: »
    looks like that Spanish site is now dead.

    Is this the https://best-alarm-system-webshop.eu/en site? Seems to be working fine?


  • #245
    securitylover
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭securitylover


    Pete123456 wrote: »
    Is this the site? Seems to be working fine?


    No problems here, i received my order the next day :-)
    And they have 20% extra discount now on their webshop.


  • #246
    Daveq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭Daveq


    Daveq wrote: »
    What SIM card are people using? I seen Vodafone mentioned earlier in the thread but I think I got on it too late and ended up on a new deal.

    The T&C's say that a top up of €5 is only needed every 6months, which is grand but problem is that is just to keep the sim card active. They charge €1.99 a week for data, I got onto them and they said that's the best they have, I was hoping for a pay as you go per kb 😟

    Just to follow up on my post here in case anyone is in the same boat.

    Hub 2+ turning off cellular data, (unless there is another option I can't see) seems to turn off the sim card altogether, SMS doesn't even work.

    To use a Vodafone SIM, the best option seems to be to buy the €5 for 5gb (which is way more than needed) for 28days.

    I've been looking up others and best option I've found is lyca mobile, I've one in the hub now for 6 weeks and it only costs me for data used compared to Vodafone. So far only set me back €0.80


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  • #247
    brio09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭brio09


    1) the posts on cheap SIM is interesting. I have a HKC system in the new house I'm moving into and the security guy I called over said 150 eur to install SIM and 100 eur per year for subscription. there is no wifi.

    2) I feel so locked in - the security guy didn't even let me change the passcode on my own, said he needs to be there to enable change of passcode. the next day the system went bonkers, and i had to call him again. he also said nest etc. smart systems are not good because they are not "professional, are DIY" and they don't provide insurance cover.

    Q for folks here - do you see any issues using smart systems? were you able to find anyone to install them? do they get covered by insurance e.g. can you check the box of "Monitoring security system" or "security system" if you have them?


  • #248
    peteb2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭peteb2


    brio09 wrote: »

    Q for folks here - do you see any issues using smart systems? were you able to find anyone to install them? do they get covered by insurance e.g. can you check the box of "Monitoring security system" or "security system" if you have them?

    Your problem with the insurance is that it has to meet certain standards. So its never a simple question of monitored system. It's caveated that its monitored by a body that isn't yourself and that its subject to standard EN50131. And that's where DIY systems fall down.

    I work in insurance. And i have an alarm monitored by a company. But i dont ever claim any discount for it. Its a small discount when put against increased excess or in some cases no cover if the alarm isn't armed when you leave.


  • #249
    Daveq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭Daveq


    I got Ajax and am happy with it. It's the same system that some monitoring companies use so it is a professional system. It's just installed by me so DIY that way, and monitored by me so as peteb2 says is unmonitored as far as insurance is concerned. When getting insurance I've told them I have no alarm. Can't remember the figure but the difference was small and wasn't worth getting professional install and monitoring.


  • #250
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    brio09 wrote: »
    1) the posts on cheap SIM is interesting. I have a HKC system in the new house I'm moving into and the security guy I called over said 150 eur to install SIM and 100 eur per year for subscription. there is no wifi.

    So shop around. I also have HKC and pay €5.49 per month for monitoring via the app. This works via wifi which is backed up by a world SIM (will connect to the strongest network available). HKC is a very solid system that lacks smart features.
    2) I feel so locked in - the security guy didn't even let me change the passcode on my own, said he needs to be there to enable change of passcode. the next day the system went bonkers, and i had to call him again. he also said nest etc. smart systems are not good because they are not "professional, are DIY" and they don't provide insurance cover.

    So shop around.... You are only "locked in" if you choose to be by deciding to stay with this installer.
    Q for folks here - do you see any issues using smart systems? were you able to find anyone to install them? do they get covered by insurance e.g. can you check the box of "Monitoring security system" or "security system" if you have them?

    It depends on the system. You could opt for the low end (example Yale), or high end (example CY Comfort) or something very good in between (example Ajax). Most installers have found solid systems that work for them. They are reluctant to change to smarter systems for a number of reasons. Some are just lazy / stuck in the past, some feel they are unreliable or have not been proven in the field for long enough. As others have pointed out a number of professional installers use Ajax.

    The bar for EN50131 is set very low (as this standard is very outdated) so at the very least I would recommend only using systems that meet this standard (which Ajax does). Professional installers will only use systems that comply with this, which says a lot in terms of reliability.


  • #251
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,352 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I actually got an add in Chrome for an Ajax system from HomeSecure yesterday. Anyone here have any experience with them or gotten a quote from them?


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