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Should Ireland Re-Introduce the wolf?

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  • #52
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    And what of other megafauna? Some ecologists have suggested introducing predators such as Lions, Rhinos and the like to North America. Would you think lions and bears in the Irish countryside would be madness? Discuss...[/quote]

    Next time you are in Dublin zoo hop over the fence in the African plains and after a leisurely stroll around report back to us .

    The country is not overrun with foxes , less foxes = more rabbits and rats


  • #53
    Agricola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    Would you think lions and bears in the Irish countryside would be madness? Discuss...

    Well it would certainly make Sunday mountain walks a bit more exciting.


  • #54
    Boom_Bap
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  • #55
    BrokenArrows
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    It would be insane to introduce a dangerous predatory species into Ireland.
    Sure why not bring back snakes. Would be a great laugh.


  • #56
    Noddyholder
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Ok - so reintroducing the wolf may be a non runner. But what about wild boar and beavers?

    Obviously introducing lions and bears may have some negative side effects...[/QUOTE]

    :D:P Just a tad.


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Plenty of private property.

    Less than 3,000 hectares of public park.

    It's like saying "I have a fish tank in the sitting room, I'd like to keep a shark..."

    I used to have a shark in a fish tank in the sitting room. He was called George.

    What I'd really like is for them to introduce a few sea eagles to patrol around Dublin city. Might cut down on the seagulls a bit.


  • #58
    JupiterKid
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    Well, Eurasian beavers have been successfully reintroduced to Scotland so I can't see why they couldn't be here.

    It seems to be farmers who are most opposed to species reintroduction. And their concerns are valid but the ecotourism potential of beaver reintroduction could be considerable.

    I also think shooting and poisoning reintroduced eagles is despicable and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It seems we still have quite an immature attitude to wildlife here in Ireland.


  • #59
    Cervantes2
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    This is all because of Game of Thrones isn't it :pac:


  • #60
    Nift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭Nift


    fizzypish wrote: »
    For the purpose of conversation good post OP and what I'm about to write is not aimed at you but the idea: **** no thats a terrible idea. The areas they did it in the states were remote to some degree. Theres no spot in Ireland bar the top of a mountain where your not a quarter day from someone. No matter where you put them they would interfere with farmland. They already have problems re introducing large birds of prey due to farmers shooting them. Wolves are so ****ing dangerous that during WW2, the Russians and Germans had a cease fire to kill the wolf population due to predation on the soldiers. If you argue the wolves were starving in that situation then I say that the introduced wolves to Ireland will only be a problem if they get hungry enough?!?! As a people we have forgotten but we exterminated the population for a reason. Wolves would control the deer population and foxes and all that stuff BUT we'd have to control the wolf population. Lets all be thankful that the most dangerous **** we deal with is an Irate badger or a thicket of nettles.

    It was World War One and its not why we exterminated Wolves.

    Think you are over stretching with the danger angle there.

    We should introduce more i say, we have the least amount of Fauna in Europe i think. Was watching Wild Ireland on bbc and its beautiful but also kind of sad that all we have is birds and migratory wales for the most part. All because of bloodthirsty humans.

    The last wolf in Ireland was killed in 1786...so it's hardly outlandish as it seems. Game of Thrones my arse.


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  • #61
    osarusan
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    Should be introduced in great numbers around the Athlone area.


  • #62
    wakka12
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    Why would wolves spend their time chasing small scrawny agile foxes or fast deer when there are millions of meaty slow moving cows and sheep all around the country.
    Bad idea


  • #63
    [Deleted User]
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    It seems to be farmers who are most opposed to species reintroduction. And their concerns are valid but the ecotourism potential of beaver reintroduction could be considerable.

    I also think shooting and poisoning reintroduced eagles is despicable and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It seems we still have quite an immature attitude to wildlife here in Ireland.

    1. Their concerns are valid because it's usually their property. Can we bring in tarantulas to the warm sitting rooms of Foxrock?

    2. There is no beaver tourism. There is angling tourism, they might be concerned about the effect of beavers on watercourses.

    3. Before prosecuting farmers, come to where I work. Look out the window. I can see the Reeks and part of the National Park. It's vast. And beyond that it stretches away to Waterville. I suspect it contains more than 10,000 people.

    Now tell me...whodunit?


  • #64
    Nift
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    1. Their concerns are valid because it's usually their property. Can we bring in tarantulas to the warm sitting rooms of Foxrock?

    what?:rolleyes:


  • #65
    fizzypish
    Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭fizzypish


    Nift wrote: »
    It was World War One and its not why we exterminated Wolves.

    Think you are over stretching with the danger angle there.

    Yes that is true but I was using the ww1 point to highlight how dangerous they can be. We exterminated them because they were dangerous to livestock and people. Even this is the minor point, we just don't have the space. Look at the issues caused by pit bulls and dogs of that ilk (Great dogs btw, ****ty owner == ****ty dog). A wolf is a bigger, wild version of this animal with greater bite strength. If you can convince the wolf population not to hunt easy meat like livestock and pets then maybe its an idea.


  • #66
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Beaver tourism... probably not what you think it is.


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  • #67
    Nift
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    Pity people here are so ignorant of wolves in Ireland. The word wolf appears in many places.

    ‘Wolves in Ireland, A Natural and Cultural History’ by NUI Galway geographer Dr Kieran Hickey is worth a read.

    Then people wouldn't be falling over themselves to rip the piss.

    Long after wolves were killed in England and Scotland, our population remained.

    I for one lament our boring mostly animal free land.


  • #68
    SEPT 23 1989
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    How does one go about "managing" an 85lb wild adult male wolf?


  • #69
    HughWotMVIII
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    I came into this thread thinking "the wolf" was a euphemism for some kind of sexual thing only Irish people knew about.

    Don't ask me why. I am not sure if I am relieved or disappointed.


  • #70
    [Deleted User]
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    Nift wrote: »
    what?:rolleyes:

    The farmers own their land. It's private property. And usually, it's their business as well. It's as private as a house in Dublin.

    Did you really not get that point?

    Where would you put these wolves, seeing as you refer to the ignorance of others?


  • #71
    the_syco
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    Waste of money; they'll be hunted and shot when they prey on the farmstock. They'll be treated as wild dogs on the walking trails, and also probably shot.


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  • #72
    Nift
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The farmers own their land. It's private property. And usually, it's their business as well. It's as private as a house in Dublin.

    Did you really not get that point?

    Where would you put these wolves, seeing as you refer to the ignorance of others?

    No i was refering to Foxrock? What does that have to do with anything?

    Farming or property rights gives farmers no right to poison endangered birds.

    I know wolves will never be introduced. For loads of reasons, nimbyism being one of the main, typical Irish one's.


  • #73
    [Deleted User]
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    fizzypish wrote: »
    Yes that is true but I was using the ww1 point to highlight how dangerous they can be. We exterminated them because they were dangerous to livestock and people. Even this is the minor point, we just don't have the space. Look at the issues caused by pit bulls and dogs of that ilk (Great dogs btw, ****ty owner == ****ty dog). A wolf is a bigger, wild version of this animal with greater bite strength. If you can convince the wolf population not to hunt easy meat like livestock and pets then maybe its an idea.
    They were also killed as trophies and for sport.

    So what if they took a few sheep, farmers would have to adapt and would be compensated for losses. It might reduce over stocking if farmers kept fewer sheep.


  • #74
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Nift wrote: »
    I know wolves will never be introduced. For loads of reasons, nimbyism being one of the main, typical Irish one's.

    Do you keep one in your back yard?


  • #75
    fizzypish
    Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭fizzypish


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They were also killed as trophies and for sport.

    So what if they took a few sheep, farmers would have to adapt and would be compensated for losses. It might reduce over stocking if farmers kept fewer sheep.

    Agreed that they were trophy hunted as well most likely. So what if they took a few sheep? Firstly, farmers aren't the wealthy lords people may think they are. Farmings hard and tough to make a living from. Those few sheep are your profit margin. Compensated for the losses, ok but we pay for that. Thats money out of our pocket and the cost of monitoring the wolf population. Probably would be a pretty penny too. Farmers would have to adapt? Someone else already said this but how would you adapt to a large predator being added to your workplace?


  • #76
    [Deleted User]
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    Lovely Bloke wrote: »
    Russian Bear is best bear.

    False.

    Black bear.


  • #77
    JupiterKid
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    Ireland is so denuded of real wilderness that it's actually very sad. Of course, humans and human activity is to blame.

    But there is a new plan to "re-wild" the Nephin Beg area of North Mayo as it is very sparsely populated and covers a decent enough area. I think it's a worthy initiative, to try to encourage native woodland to regenerate, rather than have sheep overgraze the land and destroy the ecosystem. And there is talk of species reintroduction.

    Perhaps in 100 years, we will have successfully reforested and re-wilded quite a few places on this island and will look back in both bemusement and horror at the attitudes to wilderness that currently prevail among some quarters in this country.


  • #78
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    It wont work.
    As already said, we don't have enough unpopulated areas.
    My wife's village in the Tatras Mountains has wolves and bears in the forests and mountains around them.
    They occasionally come into the village if the winter is very bad! My in-laws often have out to us for walking at sunset on a summers evening on the edge of the village.


  • #79
    RobertKK
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    One would need to fence off somewhere like Glenveagh national park for a reintroduction.

    I will be going to Yellowstone later this year, looking forward to seeing the wolves and bears.


  • #80
    Stigura
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  • #81
    Duckworth_Luas
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    How's about we start off with a werewolf as a test case.


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  • #82
    pedigree 6
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    This thread is mildly amusing.
    Firstly because there are farmers in Iceland and the Baltic states looking on in envy at the climate and land and growing season that we have here and how much food that we are able to produce.

    Secondly we have whatever the opposite of farmers in this country is, looking at this land and wishing it was like Iceland and the Baltic states.

    Maybe we should swap a few people around or do an exchange.:D


  • #83
    nacho libre
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    One would need to fence off somewhere like Glenveagh national park for a reintroduction.

    I will be going to Yellowstone later this year, looking forward to seeing the wolves and bears.

    I've always wanted to go there. I hope you enjoy it.


  • #84
    fiachr_a
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    How's about we start off with a werewolf as a test case.

    Wolverine would be easier.


  • #85
    Cantona's Collars
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    I personally know lads who despise the proliferation of buzzards these days and want them shot despite knowing feck all about them."Sure,they fly away with lambs" or "They are killing the pheasants". Absolute bollix.You'd see more dead pheasants on the roadside after being hit by cars.Imagine if they had to deal with wolves.
    Ireland hasn't enough wilderness and large game to support wolves,livestock would be too easy a target.
    Wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone etc.to restore the balance of predator and prey,it was an easier way to control numbers and keep down overpopulation and weed out weaker animals.


  • #86
    JoeyJJ
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    If the Wolves are a problem we can come up with a plan.



  • #87
    RobertKK
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    I've always wanted to go there. I hope you enjoy it.

    I wanted to go since I was 6 years old, and saw a picture of the Old faithful geyser in a book. Going there as part of a tour to see the solar eclipse.
    I should enjoy it, got an email yesterday saying one needs travel insurance (but that is a given) in case of things like personal injury, lost luggage and it then says 'run in with bears'.
    I hope you get there soon too.


  • #88
    Bandana boy
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    I wanted to go since I was 6 years old, and saw a picture of the Old faithful geyser in a book. Going there as part of a tour to see the solar eclipse.
    I should enjoy it, got an email yesterday saying one needs travel insurance (but that is a given) in case of things like personal injury, lost luggage and it then says 'run in with bears'.
    I hope you get there soon too.

    I'd say you can bearly contain yourself


    *gets Coat


  • #89
    Jayop
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    How's about we start off with a werewolf as a test case.

    There's loads of werewolves on boards.ie already!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1763


  • #90
    Jayop
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    That video of Yellowstone was amazing, thanks for posting it. Sadly there's nowhere in Ireland large enough to do something like that but it would be lovely if there was.


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  • #91
    steddyeddy
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    Yes is the simple answer. From an ecological point of view it's not as simple as "there used to be X animal in a certain country". Reintroducing animals previously present in a country's fauna pool has been shown to have had positive effects. or instance, Yellowstone Park had a problem with the large amount of deer in the park completely stripping the trees and plants of leaves.
    Prior to this wolves used to keep the deer population under control. Until they were hunted to extinction that is.

    A few years back wolves were reintroduced and the park is thriving. The deer population decreased, the trees have more foliage, beavers came back as a result of the new greenery and bears came back into the park. That's a remote example but it's indicative of the type of benefits that can come about.


  • #92
    Duff
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    We could just give them Leitrim. In all seriousness, I'd love to see it, but doubt it'll ever happen.


  • #93
    [Deleted User]
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    Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.


  • #94
    Gavinz
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Which bear is best?

    Bears
    Beets
    Battlestar Galactica


  • #95
    Gavinz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 171 ✭✭Gavinz


    Shyte


  • #96
    eisenberg1
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    Lovely Bloke wrote: »
    Russian Bear is best bear.

    You can eat them. I once had a bear steak in St Petersburg.


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  • #97
    velo.2010
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    Yes....Re-introduce the Wolf!
    Wolf-136390352573402601


  • #98
    Tauriel
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    Heart says yes, head says no.


  • #99
    Cee-Jay-Cee
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    It'd all be grand and dandy till a wolf attacks a child and then it'd be 'oooh we should get rid of the wolves from Ireland as theyre too dangerous..."


  • #100
    josip
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    arctictree wrote: »
    ...
    As a sheep farmer, there would only be one result if a wolf was caught in a field with my flock.

    Hind legs down the wellies?


  • #101
    jamesbere
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    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    It'd all be grand and dandy till a wolf attacks a child and then it'd be 'oooh we should get rid of the wolves from Ireland as theyre too dangerous..."

    Get rid of the children, their always interfering in these matters. Wolves are the future


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