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Patty Hearst · 15-05-2019 1:55pm

fryup wrote: »

i think its great to see people from other races living here, its about time irish discovered there more than just white people living in this world (and other religions as well)

At least you inadvertently admit that you wish to transform the demographics of this country. That for you, the idea of Ireland being populated by 'white' Irish alone is a terrible thing.

The self loathing and hatred of ones own race is coming to the surface more and more these days.

15-05-2019 1:56pm

Patty Hearst wrote: »

The average number of family members applied for per person is 20.

One person recently applied for 70 family members.

It's 2 - 3

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-29-11-2017-181

ChikiChiki · 15-05-2019 2:00pm

fryup wrote: »

and how about the undocumented irish in america??? we want special status for them??

typical irish hypocrisy

Illegals at home and abroad should be deported. If you cant abide by immigration law in the country you reside in then hard luck and frankly good riddance.

In fairness most Irish abroad make a good effort to work, abide by laws and integrate into the culture bar the few stragglers. The same with immigrants to Ireland. I do believe we need to tighten up immigration though in line with our available housing resources and jobs.

Go away with your Irish hypocrisy bollocks!

Patty Hearst · 15-05-2019 2:00pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's 2 - 3

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-29-11-2017-181

If its two to three then why was the number of 20 discussed in the debates?

Why was there an attempt to expand the numbers a person could apply for?

Judging by your comments here, your position is to deflect, deny, distract, derail..

In other words you are a shill, and it would not surprise me if you were an active member of one of PBP, Sinn Fein, Social Democrats or working for vested interest NGO

Yurt2 · 15-05-2019 2:02pm

fryup wrote: »

i think its great to see people from other races living here, its about time irish discovered there more than just white people living in this world (and other religions as well)

That's what holidays are for.

Through my occupation and personal interest, I'd consider myself fairly widely travelled and attuned to different cultures. It's from going to these very places that I can say with conviction that some morés, cultures and patterns of behaviour should be left in the native environment that produced them - and not brought to Ireland so people from leafy suburbs can give themselves high-fives.

If an potential immigrant displays a willingness to contribute, get stuck-in and learn our way of life, great I say. I'll take all of those you can get, and I don't care if he's blue, purple or green-skinned. Let's be real though, that's not everybody.

John DoeReMi · 15-05-2019 2:08pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Brid Smith is utterly unbearable.

Who votes these people in?

Knuckle draggers in working class areas who think it's all the Gubbement's fault and that the Gubbbement should pay everyone to do nothing all day and it's all Bono's fault cos he doesn't pay any tax.

John DoeReMi · 15-05-2019 2:13pm

Kivaro wrote: »

But it's more than self-deprecating though at this stage.
Irish liberals and those who support parties such as Sinn Fein have us going on the path of self-destruction. .

Surely most Sinn Fein voters would be anti-immigration at least if not outright racist? The kind of knuckle dragger who votes for SF isn't going to be out celebrating Africa Day in the Iveagh Gardens.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-05-2019 2:19pm

John DoeReMi wrote: »

Knuckle draggers in working class areas who think it's all the Gubbement's fault and that the Gubbbement should pay everyone to do nothing all day and it's all Bono's fault cos he doesn't pay any tax.

Usually fierce patriotic types too.

Pity they don't live up to the idea of - 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.'

15-05-2019 2:31pm

Patty Hearst wrote: »

If its two to three then why was the number of 20 discussed in the debates?

Why was there an attempt to expand the numbers a person could apply for?

You didn't provide a link, why don't you do your own research?

I'm just showing you what the Department has published. The average numbers of family members reunited with their loved ones is 2 - 3.

Wibbs · 15-05-2019 2:36pm

Patty Hearst wrote: »

At least you inadvertently admit that you wish to transform the demographics of this country. That for you, the idea of Ireland being populated by 'white' Irish alone is a terrible thing.

The self loathing and hatred of ones own race is coming to the surface more and more these days.

It seems to be a mix of needing to telegraph such view to get a Right On merit badge and some White self flagellation nonsense whinging about the "sins" of our forefathers. It's a sign of a culture losing self confidence in itself. Something quite the few non western cultures do not suffer from. When those two meet, who wins?

topper75 · 15-05-2019 2:44pm

fryup wrote: »

i think its great to see people from other races living here, its about time irish discovered there more than just white people living in this world (and other religions as well)

I don't think we have a beef with them existing.

We knew they existed.

What our problem tends to be is more the idea being pushed on us that we owe them a living here, or the idea that we might be KKK slipknot-swinging racists for having the temerity to question who might be defrauding the Irish exchequer.

Unless of course you want to 'discover' me and I pop around to slum on your couch and watch TV for a few weeks whilst you go out to the kitchen and stick few slices of Mr. Brennans in the toaster. Ham, cheese, and but no onions... I don't eat onions... you need to know that.

Church on Tuesday · 15-05-2019 2:44pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yet another thread descends into sexist comments about women doing their jobs.

Unfollow.

...and off the White Knight goes on his steed.

If anything some comments about Miriam are arguably ageist; plenty women over 50 retain their looks and even get better with age

Also she and others work in the public eye.

But that's a debate for another thread.

RobertKK · 15-05-2019 2:56pm

Kilkenny the second least diverse county in Ireland. You wouldn't know if you visited Kilkenny city given it is a tourist hub so there are always a lot of people from abroad around.

Overall immigration is very good for the country, but it has to be managed in a sustainable way. That means immigration from outside the EU/EEA is where it has to be managed, we all have right to live, work and retire if we want in another EU state, and I think this is a right most people cherish.

I did find the language used that "white Irish" people (as used by PrimeTime) being in a minority in a certain area of Dublin was a 'positive' as something that just sounds all wrong. I mean I don't think it is a positive or negative once people integrate into society.

The EU did a public survey earlier this year (similar to the clocks change survey) which was open to all EU citizens to respond to which included questions about immigration and other issue facing the EU. It is clear the EU sees immigration as something that needs managing. Maybe with it affecting politics across Europe they know they need to change the approach.

Blueshoe · 15-05-2019 3:29pm

fryup wrote: »

i think its great to see people from other races living here, its about time irish discovered there more than just white people living in this world (and other religions as well)

Nobody has a problem with different races living here. The problem is the amount that are coming in and lack political debate about it.
When you have coveney saying every town in the country will have immigrants you realise where things are headed and nobody is allowed to want different

15-05-2019 4:50pm

liam7831 wrote: »

She looked well tonight in fairness

someone said she has the tits of a 25yr old vegas dancer!!

yeah right FFS, take off that bra and she can walk and shine her shoes with them at the same time.

Squatter · 15-05-2019 4:56pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

As see that's where you're wrong as a little known piece of trivia is that large boobs have a buoy like effect in the water and so not only would the tide take her out, but she would indeed be quite safe at sea until such time as was spotted by the coastguard and brought to safety.

But if a Japanese whaling ship spotted her first, then it would be curtains for poor Biddy!

mgn · 15-05-2019 4:59pm

When you have coveney saying every town in the country will have immigrants you realise where things are headed and nobody is allowed to want different[/QUOTE]

The same towns around the country that all the young people are leaving due to lack of jobs.What are the immigrants going to do.

RobertKK · 15-05-2019 5:13pm

We would all be far poorer without immigrants.

Blueshoe · 15-05-2019 5:48pm

RobertKK wrote: »

We would all be far poorer without immigrants.

Moderation . Like all things in life

TheDiceMan2020 · 15-05-2019 7:28pm

fryup wrote: »

i think its great to see people from other races living here, its about time irish discovered there more than just white people living in this world (and other religions as well)

Pretty insulting attitude to have about your own countrymen.

Kivaro · 15-05-2019 9:38pm

John DoeReMi wrote: »

Surely most Sinn Fein voters would be anti-immigration at least if not outright racist? The kind of knuckle dragger who votes for SF isn't going to be out celebrating Africa Day in the Iveagh Gardens.

You would expect the inward migration policy of Sinn Fein to somewhat reflect their nationalist ethos.
However, the official policy of Sinn Fein (found on their web site) is that there should be no limit to the amount of asylum seekers that we take in.
Think about that for a moment.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows that the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers in Ireland are economic migrants. But Sinn Fein wants us to take in every single asylum seekers from every corner of the planet ..... without any limit.

They also want the country to give amnesty to failed asylum seekers and not deport them. Think about that also. A failed asylum seekers who resorts to criminality should be rewarded with amnesty according to Sinn Fein.

I actually believe that this is one of the main reasons why Sinn Fein are doing badly in recent polls; their voter-base is finding out about these ludicrous polices.

paleoperson · 15-05-2019 9:40pm

TheDiceMan2020 wrote: »

Pretty insulting attitude to have about your own countrymen.

I'll say. Patronizing race-baiting ****e all while taking a high horse.

Patty Hearst · 15-05-2019 10:12pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

You didn't provide a link, why don't you do your own research?

I'm just showing you what the Department has published. The average numbers of family members reunited with their loved ones is 2 - 3.

The Irish Minister of State for Equality, Immigration and Integration David Stanton speaking in the Dáil said that before the old Family Reunification program for refugees was altered, one refugee had applied to bring in 70 of their family members.

The average number per application was 20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTMOgUwYKxI

1:05
"In July the Govt informed the house that the average number of family members applied for family reunification provision of the refugee act was 20 and the largest application was for over 70 family members"

16-05-2019 10:24am

This came to my attention this morning.

http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/09859e7a3f34669680256ef3004a27de/d3f719e142b7d12f802583fb0039239b?OpenDocument

Ms Chen is a national of China. She came to Ireland on 14.11.2013 on a 90-day ‘C’ visa and remains here today. On 19.02.2014, she applied, by reference to s.4(7) of the Immigration Act 2004, to stay in Ireland on a long-term basis. That application failed. Ms Chen then commenced these proceedings.

Is this normal?

Arrive on a holiday visa and almost immediately look for long term residence?

Get denied and 6 years later the case is still clogging up the courts! Shes not going home ever.

16-05-2019 10:26am

Patty Hearst wrote: »

The Irish Minister of State for Equality, Immigration and Integration David Stanton speaking in the Dáil said that before the old Family Reunification program for refugees was altered, one refugee had applied to bring in 70 of their family members.

The average number per application was 20

I think the reason for the discrepancy is that, on occasion, people may apply to be reunited with family members in circumstances where (a) the Applicant, or (b) the Family Member is prima facie ineligible. An example would be a refugee applying to be ruunited with a cousin, or a sibling and that sibling's family. That will be rejected out of hand, and does not form part of the statistics.

The staistics I have just shown you only include cases where both the Applicant and the Family member had advanced a valid application, in accordance with the International Protection Act (which application may, nevertheless, be declined).

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the average number of family members for which there are valid applications is 2-3 per annum, and has been so since at least 2012.

You'll have to find something else to get worked-up about. Or just, you know, chill out a bit.

16-05-2019 10:34am

paleoperson wrote: »

I'll say. Patronizing race-baiting ****e all while taking a high horse.

I agree 100% paleoperson but the clue is in the grammer, this is obviously not an irish person by birth who posted that shyte…

"its about time irish discovered there more than just white people"... QED

DelaneyIn · 16-05-2019 11:48am

What annoys me about the immigration debate is that the people in favour of mass immigration like to pretend they are morally superior to those of us who are not. When you look into it, the people most in favour of mass unfettered immigration are politicians, landlords, and property developers who want to drive up rents and property prices, and also employers who want to drive down wages.

These people are in favour of mass immigration for entirely selfish reasons and are happy to cram 15 immigrants into a damp 3 bedroom house and when they become ill in winter they can't afford the €60 to visit a GP. There is nothing moral about supporting this.

Then you have all the professional activists from immigration quangos and brainwashed leftists who are ideologically committed to open borders and bringing in as many third worlders as possible. These people talk incessantly of how awful Direct Provision is (it's actually full board accommodation in a hotel plus free lawyers, doctors, dentists, clothes etc) while having nothing to say about the Irish homeless. The left wing journalists/activists will always write and broadcast propaganda in favour of open borders and tell the rest of us there's nothing to fear because there's a Muslim in Mayo who plays GAA or because there's an African girl in Blanchardstown who can say a poem in Irish. Of course any misbehaviour or crimes committed by third worlders must always be downplayed, and the crisis in housing must never be linked to mass immigration in case the ordinary Irish people begin to realise it's not in their interest.

It’s some scam. I wonder what the result of the experiment shall be.

suicide_circus · 16-05-2019 12:36pm

integration doesnt mean abandoning your own culture when you move to a new place. but it does mean compromising on and modifying those aspects of your culture which clash with the culture of the new place.

this is never discussed.

Blueshoe · 16-05-2019 12:43pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

integration doesnt mean abandoning your own culture when you move to a new place. but it does mean compromising on and modifying those aspects of your culture which clash with the culture of the new place.

this is never discussed.

When Irish people go to Australia or Canada for work the locals don't change to accommodate them. They go on as normal. It's fit in or **** off.

Seems to be an idea that some have here that we should change to accommodate strangers. No thanks

(Nothing to do with your point but I wanted to add it anyway)

16-05-2019 12:44pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

integration doesnt mean abandoning your own culture when you move to a new place. but it does mean compromising on and modifying those aspects of your culture which clash with the culture of the new place.

this is never discussed.

agreed. case in point, some judge had a slew of stabbings from eastern Europeans on other eastern Europeans here over a period and commented something about those deaths happening during drink fueled sessions which were often a way of coping with homesickness and a longing for the family and culture left behind. He went on to suggest that these communities should seek to integrate more with irish life and society, rather than setting up minority cultures sometimes soaked in melancholy. We Irish really aren't that bad he might have said!

16-05-2019 12:47pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

What annoys me about the immigration debate is that the people in favour of mass immigration like to pretend they are morally superior to those of us who are not.

Sometimes when the facts are at-odds with a persons biases, and that person is presented with the facts, there's a tendency to claim you are being 'talked down to'. Surely the whole point of threads like this is to debate, not to have your feelings protected.

Very strangely, the same people who complain about "morally superior" attitudes on the left seem to think everyone else is a snowflake.

people are in favour of mass immigration for entirely selfish reasons and are happy to cram 15 immigrants into a damp 3 bedroom house and when they become ill in winter they can't afford the €60 to visit a GP.

You're conflating a number of issues there. You're ignoring the overwhelming reliance that our healthcare system has on non-EU doctors (both in terms of Middle Eastern and Asian Government's funding Irish medical schools, and graduates staffing our system as nurses, pharmacists and doctors), whilst blaming them for flooding the system with their inconvenient illnesses.

They should come here and do jobs that irish people cannot or will not do, but just don't get sick?

I can anticipate the reply so let me answer it now. Not all non-EU migrants are skilled graduates or students. Agreed. And we should curtail the migration into Ireland, for economic purposes, of people without those skills and without funding their own education. And we already do.

You only get an employment visa to enter Ireland if you are a worker in an area with a shortage of skilled workers, whether you're a developer, a doctor, a chemist, or whatever.

Don't turn around and blame the workers who are needed here when they have to rent a property or visit a GP. They're paying taxes like the rest of us, and the fault is our own for not building houses, or incenticising those who can do so.

These are problems that can be addressed without closing the borders. How do we know? Because other European countries like France, Germany and Sweden are managing to house their people and run their healthcare services whilst processing a substantially bigger proportion of migrants.

TheDiceMan2020 · 16-05-2019 1:00pm

rusty cole wrote: »

I agree 100% paleoperson but the clue is in the grammer, this is obviously not an irish person by birth who posted that shyte…

"its about time irish discovered there more than just white people"... QED

No they are very much Irish. I know the poster (not personally but know who they are)

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 1:11pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sometimes when the facts are at-odds with a persons biases, and that person is presented with the facts, there's a tendency to claim you are being 'talked down to'. Surely the whole point of threads like this is to debate, not to have your feelings protected.

Very strangely, the same people who complain about "morally superior" attitudes on the left seem to think everyone else is a snowflake.

You're conflating a number of issues there. You're ignoring the overwhelming reliance that our healthcare system has on non-EU doctors (both in terms of Middle Eastern and Asian Government's funding Irish medical schools, and graduates staffing our system as nurses, pharmacists and doctors), whilst blaming them for flooding the system with their inconvenient illnesses.

They should come here and do jobs that irish people cannot or will not do, but just don't get sick?

I can anticipate the reply so let me answer it now. Not all non-EU migrants are skilled graduates or students. Agreed. And we should curtail the migration into Ireland, for economic purposes, of people without those skills and without funding their own education. And we already do.

You only get an employment visa to enter Ireland if you are a worker in an area with a shortage of skilled workers, whether you're a developer, a doctor, a chemist, or whatever.

Don't turn around and blame the workers who are needed here when they have to rent a property or visit a GP. They're paying taxes like the rest of us, and the fault is our own for not building houses, or incenticising those who can do so.

These are problems that can be addressed without closing the borders. How do we know? Because other European countries like France, Germany and Sweden are managing to house their people and run their healthcare services whilst processing a substantially bigger proportion of migrants.

Actually every country you just listened has MORE homeless people than Ireland.

Get your facts right.

16-05-2019 1:18pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Actually every country you just listened has MORE homeless people than Ireland.

Get your facts right.

As a proportion of the local population?

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 1:20pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

As a proportion of the local population?

Hold on now.

You said they are managing to house their people.

Stop moving the goalposts.

What you said is incorrect.

16-05-2019 5:06pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

As a proportion of the local population?

I mean, it's taken for granted that no country has completely abolished homelessness. Or maybe you're claiming that we should keep blaming migrants until not one person remains homeless, which is so daft I didn't think it needed to be clarified.

In 2017, the latest year for which there are figures, 0.07% of Sweden's population were acutely homeless or sleeping rough.

Compare that to 0.22% in Ireland -- 3 times as many as in Sweden.

Explain?

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 5:09pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I mean, it's taken for granted that no country has completely abolished homelessness. Or maybe you're claiming that we should keep blaming migrants until not one person remains homeless, which is so daft I didn't think it needed to be clarified.

In 2017, the latest year for which there are figures, 0.07% of Sweden's population were acutely homeless or sleeping rough.

Compare that to 0.22% in Ireland -- 3 times as many as in Sweden.

Explain?

Now you’ve changed your argument.

But you admitted you’re wrong so let’s move on.

Where are you getting .07% from by the way?

All I can see is 0.26%?

Not doubting you just wondering.

Germany has 420,000.

France has 150,000.

Sweden has 34,000.

And so on.

16-05-2019 5:16pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

All I can see is 0.26%?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20150115/a-portrait-of-sweden-in-ten-statistics/amp

Not doubting you just wondering.

Ah -- that's because in Ireland, homelessness is defined as applying to those in short term/ medium-term emergency accomodation or sleeping rough. The Swedes define it so as to include people whom we routinely exclude, (inter alia) are living with family members they'd rather not live with, for example, and an involuntary living arrangement with friends, with a lease of less than three months.

Could you imagine the stats if we applied those standards here?

So I have taken those figures out of the Swedish stats.

A full report is available here.

https://www.socialstyrelsen.se/Lists/Artikelkatalog/Attachments/20990/2018-6-19.pdf

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 5:19pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah -- that's because in Ireland, homelessness is defined as applying to those in short term/ medium-term emergency accomodation or sleeping rough. The Swedes define it so as to include people whom we routinely exclude, (inter alia) are living with family members they'd rather not live with, for example, and an involuntary living arrangement with friends, with a lease of less than three months.

Could you imagine the stats if we applied those standards here?

So I have taken those figures out of the Swedish stats.

A full report is available here.

https://www.socialstyrelsen.se/Lists/Artikelkatalog/Attachments/20990/2018-6-19.pdf

Can you quote the 0.07% from that please I’m not trawling through 9 pages.

So Sweden can’t house their people like you claimed originally yes?

16-05-2019 5:27pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Can you quote the 0.07% from that please I’m not trawling through 9 pages.

Do some basic mathematics. Add up the people who are Homeless Type 1, Homeess Type 2, and leave out those in long-term social accommodation, living with friends etc (Types 3 and 4) Then express that as a % of the total population.

All of the figures are tabulated on page 6.

So Sweden can’t house their people like you claimed originally yes?

You can jump up and down and cry "I got you! I got you!", if it helps. I didn't think it needed to be explicitly stated that no country in the world has eradicated homelessness.

But the Swedes are managing to do a very impressive job of it, far better than we are, with a much bigger migrant population.

They're so good at it, they include as homeless some people who are living in long-term social housing, and people in casual, private accommodation.

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 5:50pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Do some basic mathematics. Add up the people who are Homeless Type 1, Homeess Type 2, and leave out those in long-term social accommodation, living with friends etc (Types 3 and 4) Then express that as a % of the total population.

All of the figures are tabulated on page 6.
You can jump up and down and cry "I got you! I got you!", if it helps. I didn't think it needed to be explicitly stated that no country in the world has eradicated homelessness.

But the Swedes are managing to do a very impressive job of it, far better than we are, with a much bigger migrant population.

They're so good at it, they include as homeless some people who are living in long-term social housing, and people in casual, private accommodation.

34,000 homeless people?

Yeah seems their doing a great job alright.

What about Germany which you said the same thing about?

450,000 homeless.

16-05-2019 6:13pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

34,000 homeless people?

Where did you get 34,000 from?

Not only does that include thousands who are living with their family without a lease, and almost 10,000 in social housing, you've also tacked-on almost 2,000 for no apparent reason.

I have given you all the evidence, the definition, the artihmentic, and you can't even get the ctrl+c correct, and now you seem to be demanding me to start doing other research for you.

Reckon I'll pass.

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 6:23pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Where did you get 34,000 from?

Not only does that include thousands who are living with their family without a lease, and almost 10,000 in social housing, you've also tacked-on almost 2,000 for no apparent reason.

I have given you all the evidence, the definition, the artihmentic, and you can't even get the ctrl+c correct, and now you seem to be demanding me to start doing other research for you.

Reckon I'll pass.

You still haven’t shown me the figure from the report.

Just show me how many are homeless in Sweden from that report.

One simple figure.

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 6:29pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Where did you get 34,000 from?

Not only does that include thousands who are living with their family without a lease, and almost 10,000 in social housing, you've also tacked-on almost 2,000 for no apparent reason.

I have given you all the evidence, the definition, the artihmentic, and you can't even get the ctrl+c correct, and now you seem to be demanding me to start doing other research for you.

Reckon I'll pass.

On page 6 it says 33,000 people are homeless.

That’s where I got that figure from.

I can’t see anything about 10,000 people in social houses, I can see the 2,000 in family members alright.

16-05-2019 8:04pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

34,000 homeless people?
Yeah seems their doing a great job alright.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Where did you get 34,000 from?

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

On page 6 it says 33,000 people are homeless.

It's just over 32,000. You just inflated it by almost 2,000, and I am asking why.

I can’t see anything about 10,000 people in social houses, I can see the 2,000 in family members alright.

It's there in front of you on page 6. Are you even reading the page? Social and municipal contracts, right beside where it refers to long-term living arrangements.

Further information on pg 7

Almost half of the individuals had long-term housing solutions, mostly apartments with social or muncipal contracts, where the municipality has a contract for the housing bas sublets it.

Marcusm · 16-05-2019 8:05pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I mean, it's taken for granted that no country has completely abolished homelessness. Or maybe you're claiming that we should keep blaming migrants until not one person remains homeless, which is so daft I didn't think it needed to be clarified.

In 2017, the latest year for which there are figures, 0.07% of Sweden's population were acutely homeless or sleeping rough.

Compare that to 0.22% in Ireland -- 3 times as many as in Sweden.

Explain?

It’s not as cold here.

16-05-2019 8:17pm

Marcusm wrote: »

It’s not as cold here.

In both countries, rough sleepers are a tiny proportion of the total numbers.

In Sweden, it's 647 of 10,000-odd homeless people (6%)

There are no figures routinely collected for all of Ireland, but in Dublin during last Spring, it was only 118, and 156 over last Winter.

You'd have to guess it must be less than 250 for the whole country (if so, it would be about 2% of the whole homeless population of over 10,000).

So that's one stat we're doing better at than Sweden. But the rest is pretty hopeless.

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 8:29pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In both countries, rough sleepers are a tiny proportion of the total numbers.

In Sweden, it's 647 of 10,000-odd homeless people (6%)

There are no figures routinely collected for all of Ireland, but in Dublin during last Spring, it was only 118, and 156 over last Winter.

You'd have to guess it must be less than 250 for the whole country (if so, it would be about 2% of the whole homeless population of over 10,000).

So that's one stat we're doing better at than Sweden. But the rest is pretty hopeless.

Hopeless really?

Jesus talk about hyperbole.

16-05-2019 8:59pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Hopeless really?

Jesus talk about hyperbole.

Oh no, it's not hyperbole. I literally have very little hope for children who have spent two years in homeless services. Experts on child welfare use terms like 'troubling' and 'great concern', but I'd call that diplomacy. A lot of those children are going to end up being pretty dysfunctional.

But you want some good news? Sweden's experience tells us that it isn't the fault of immigration. They do far better than us in terms of homelessness, despite taking in enormous numbers of migrants, especially asylum seekers.

Wheeliebin30 · 16-05-2019 9:17pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Oh no, it's not hyperbole. I literally have very little hope for children who have spent two years in homeless services. Experts on child welfare use terms like 'troubling' and 'great concern', but I'd call that diplomacy. A lot of those children are going to end up being pretty dysfunctional.

But you want some good news? Sweden's experience tells us that it isn't the fault of immigration. They do far better than us in terms of homelessness, despite taking in enormous numbers of migrants, especially asylum seekers.

I was never blaming immigrants!!

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