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C64 Mini

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I'll add it to my list for Santy, have to stop the naughtiness now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Los Lobos


    The update has definitely made a difference to the response for the supplied joystick, played a good bit of Boulder dash and gribblys day out just now, very happy with the difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Off topic, but if anyone wants to get their blocky brown fix on the go, the Odroid Go now has a pretty good C64 emulator.

    Edit: It's the Frodo emulator.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    v1.1.1 of the firmware is out (containing a USB fix)

    Great to see that this update supports T64 and PRG files too.

    https://thec64.com/upgrade/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭Danick


    What do you guys think of the new update? Can you load multi load games? Does anyone use a different usb joystick/joypad? I have an xbox 360 usb joypad - would that work with it? - Has anyone tried using a powered usb hub with it so you can have a usb drive and a keyboard plugged in at the same time?

    Any help greatly appreciated - I bought mine at launch but didn't fancy playing it with the included joystick and I didn't really have any of the included games as a kid so there was no nostalgic trip for me. Since launch I have stuck with my trusty C64C but I'm intrigued by the new firmware for the mini.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Honestly? Still in the box since the firmware update. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Los Lobos


    Danick wrote: »
    What do you guys think of the new update? Can you load multi load games? Does anyone use a different usb joystick/joypad? I have an xbox 360 usb joypad - would that work with it? - Has anyone tried using a powered usb hub with it so you can have a usb drive and a keyboard plugged in at the same time?

    Any help greatly appreciated - I bought mine at launch but didn't fancy playing it with the included joystick and I didn't really have any of the included games as a kid so there was no nostalgic trip for me. Since launch I have stuck with my trusty C64C but I'm intrigued by the new firmware for the mini.


    Not sure about multiload games, but the update makes a HUGE difference, insofar as you can whip a crapton of games onto a usb stick and have them all available to you on screen.


    I only used .tap and .d64 files, so had to wait for them to load.


    My only gripe now is the joystick broke in my hand while in the middle of a game of Turrican II, they really are badly put together. They don't handle well for games where you need do do a lot of diagonal jumps, like Turrican, Bubble Bobble etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭deadl0ck


    I'm thinking of one for Christmas, although I'm also thinking of re-capping my original C64 that's on the attic and using that with one of the SD Loader thingies.....
    Suggestions ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭Danick


    deadl0ck wrote: »
    I'm thinking of one for Christmas, although I'm also thinking of re-capping my original C64 that's on the attic and using that with one of the SD Loader thingies.....
    Suggestions ?

    Recapping it is probably a good idea - If you are getting the SD2IEC then you may as well pick up an Epyx Fast Load cartridge - I grew up with tape downloads but when I got back into C64 a few years ago I bought these and never looked back.

    The joystick is horrible for the C64 mini - its leaf switch rather than micro switch - I am wondering if anyone has used a usb hub and simultaneously powered a usb joypad, usb stick and usb keyboard?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭alpahaeagle


    Danick wrote: »
    Recapping it is probably a good idea - If you are getting the SD2IEC then you may as well pick up an Epyx Fast Load cartridge - I grew up with tape downloads but when I got back into C64 a few years ago I bought these and never looked back.

    The joystick is horrible for the C64 mini - its leaf switch rather than micro switch - I am wondering if anyone has used a usb hub and simultaneously powered a usb joypad, usb stick and usb keyboard?



    I was watching the 8bit guy on youtube and he used a usb hub on the mini...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    Danick wrote: »
    The joystick is horrible for the C64 mini - its leaf switch rather than micro switch - I am wondering if anyone has used a usb hub and simultaneously powered a usb joypad, usb stick and usb keyboard?

    Leaf switch is more authentic though, all the typical C64 joysticks like Quickshot were all leaf spring.
    I used to repair them for the other kids when I was in school, the lid off a tin of beans proved to be more reliable substitute when cut to shape :)

    Only the rich kids had micro switched joysticks :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭Danick


    Leaf switch is more authentic though, all the typical C64 joysticks like Quickshot were all leaf spring.
    I used to repair them for the other kids when I was in school, the lid off a tin of beans proved to be more reliable substitute when cut to shape :)

    Only the rich kids had micro switched joysticks :(

    I'm pretty sure the Quickshot 2 that came with our computer in 1984 was micro-switched. I remember picking up a power play cruiser and being hugely disappointed as Commodore Format heavily promoted it - I bought it in a shop in Galway and couldn't understand why it got such good reviews. I later realised that there were two versions and that I had bought a leaf switched one rather than a microswitched one. It was only when I got my hands on a zipstick that I realised the true power of a microswitched joystick. A few year's ago I picked up a Power Play microswitched Cruiser and quickly realised why Commodore Format were raving about it back in the day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭magentis


    Danick wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the Quickshot 2 that came with our computer in 1984 was micro-switched. I remember picking up a power play cruiser and being hugely disappointed as Commodore Format heavily promoted it - I bought it in a shop in Galway and couldn't understand why it got such good reviews. I later realised that there were two versions and that I had bought a leaf switched one rather than a microswitched one. It was only when I got my hands on a zipstick that I realised the true power of a microswitched joystick. A few year's ago I picked up a Power Play microswitched Cruiser and quickly realised why Commodore Format were raving about it back in the day.

    That was a quickshot 2 plus you had,those had microswitches as did the turbo.The first qs2 had leaf contacts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Leaf switch is more authentic though, all the typical C64 joysticks like Quickshot were all leaf spring.
    I used to repair them for the other kids when I was in school, the lid off a tin of beans proved to be more reliable substitute when cut to shape :)

    Only the rich kids had micro switched joysticks :(

    The Competition Pro it's clearly modelled off was microswitched. They've just cheaped out, which is a shame because they appear to have worked quite hard on the emulation side of things.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I wonder if the innards of a zipstick could be popped in there, I have one here perfect for such a project.
    All I need is a C64 Mini!
    I think it might be a Santy present request!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭CathalDublin


    problem with the c64 mini joystick is it's basically a D-pad with a stick stuck on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    Taking an original Zipstick and adding the extra buttons/converting to USB would be more reliable option - but its a lot of hassle for something like this.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    SD adapter for an actual C64 might be better.
    I think I need a new keyboard membrane for mine too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    I would always recommend recapping the original C64 and getting an SD2IEC + FastLoader cartridge for it, if you have one and can do the job. Don't get me wrong, the 64 mini and emulation are great for that quick fix and for giving access to an immense array of games, especially for those who may have never owned/used a C64 and are wondering what the fuss is about.

    But firing up the good old C64, the keyboard feel, the joysticks and even fiddling with the 1530 Datassette...it's got that "back to 1986" feel!

    You'll also notice some interesting things that escaped your 8-years-old-self:

    - Not two VIC-II chips have the same video output quality;
    - Loading from the cassette...is not as painful as we remember; Maybe it's because some PC/Xbox One/PS4 games, now, take similar amounts of time to load between screens...
    - The 64 was a much more capable and powerful machine than we realized at the time...if you never tried GeOS, take a look...
    - Games were bloody difficult :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Inviere




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I'm looking for this for Christmas, but the current Mrs Ciderman doesn't use Amazon :(


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Feck it, bought it anyway.
    I'll get her to stash it somewhere until the man with the beard... well the other man with the beard is due to arrive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    €50 in Smyths too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    McDermotX wrote: »

    I'm not impressed at all with the mini, but the full size version looks great, very interested.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Luckycharms_74


    Off topic a little but I would love if they released an Amiga version down the line :).
    I miss the days of Player manager and Kick off II


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Off topic a little but I would love if they released an Amiga version down the line :).
    I miss the days of Player manager and Kick off II


    I suppose price is one of the things stopping it, when a bare fpga Amiga board is 200 plus, the keyboard reproduced in smallish scale would be serious money on top of that. Oh, and people might not bother because they know the Atari ST was better* :pac:


    May not be true, but I loved my ST (still a distant second to my Spectrum though).

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭Linoge


    Off topic a little but I would love if they released an Amiga version down the line :).
    I miss the days of Player manager and Kick off II

    All you need is:
    This:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Raspberry-Pi-Gaming-Controllers-Hut/dp/B07BGZ7ZXT/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1OL3DXXSY7QNS&keywords=raspberry+pi+3+b%2B&qid=1552214262&s=videogames&sprefix=ras%2Cvideogames%2C131&sr=1-2

    This:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter-Performance/dp/B073JYC4XM/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1LZBMRIMPZNX2&keywords=128gb+micro+sd+card&qid=1552214344&s=gateway&sprefix=128%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-3

    + Ultimate Amiga download

    Absolute amazing emulator. Would run any C64, SNES, MD etc also. Could even be a Pi that is underneath that C64 thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭CathalDublin


    Stuck one up in the Marketplace if anyone is looking for one, literally played for 30mins and boxed back up the last 11months


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Full size version will launch in December. Hopefully with a different joystick. :)
    Regardless, I don't think I'll bite again. The mini is still in its box.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    It's interesting the way they mention retro 'microswitched' joystick in the video alright.
    The one with the mini was forged in the very depths of hell.
    To be fair, perhaps they've listened to some of the complaints - 4 USB ports now as well etc

    Will keep an eye on it but just from a collecting point of view more than likely.

    120 euro over in Amazon.de anyway
    https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07T3JPM6Y/ref=sr_1_15?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=c64&qid=1561458817&s=gateway&sr=8-15


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Mr E wrote: »
    Full size version will launch in December. Hopefully with a different joystick. :)
    Regardless, I don't think I'll bite again. The mini is still in its box.

    Not a fan of the bloke behind this (don't think he was whiter than white in the ZX Vega sh*tstorm and now he's hoovering up registered trademarks for classic Spectrum games and other spectrum intellectual properties, doubt it's for altruistic reasons), and didn't bother with the mini, but I do like the look of this.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭Danick


    Not a fan of the bloke behind this (don't think he was whiter than white in the ZX Vega sh*tstorm and now he's hoovering registered trademarks for classic Spectrum games and other spectrum properties, doubt it's for altruistic reasons), and didn't bother with the mini, but I do like the look of this.

    Once I saw the video of the working keyboard and micro switches I was sold - glad to read here that there are 4 usb ports - can't wait to get this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    I have the mini , and a C64C so wont be going for this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Just saw this last night; reveal video is quite epic.

    I have 2 functioning C64 (breadbin), plus a restored A500 and a SNES, so won't be going for this - but again, for someone either wanting to get the gist of what's the fuss about, or somebody who wants to go back to his/her favourite childhood games, it could be a blast if done right.

    It'd be SPECTACULAR if the new full size one was compatible with actual C64 peripherals, but I wouldn't hold hope for that (even though, there was the C64 DTV board a while ago...).


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭Danick


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    Just saw this last night; reveal video is quite epic.

    I have 2 functioning C64 (breadbin), plus a restored A500 and a SNES, so won't be going for this - but again, for someone either wanting to get the gist of what's the fuss about, or somebody who wants to go back to his/her favourite childhood games, it could be a blast if done right.

    It'd be SPECTACULAR if the new full size one was compatible with actual C64 peripherals, but I wouldn't hold hope for that (even though, there was the C64 DTV board a while ago...).

    Or one that was compatible with a tapuino or SD2IEC would be amazing.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    https://megastyle.itch.io/thec64-game-tool
    tool to add your own games direct to the mini/maxi and in the carosel has just been released


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Malcolm Freezing Poppycock


    Tempted by theC64 Max. Proper working keyboard and decent joystick. Does it have an FPGA or is it emulation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Does it have an FPGA or is it emulation?

    It's an AllWinner SOC...so emulation on a relatively low powered device. It's powerful enough for what it needs to do though, and the emulation for C64 days is at a level that you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between it and a real C64.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Unsure if folks saw this, but the C64 Mini is now down to €34.99
    Skerries wrote: »
    The C64 Mini €34.99



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭Danick


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    Unsure if folks saw this, but the C64 Mini is now down to €34.99

    Where? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Danick wrote: »
    Where? Thanks
    Skerries wrote: »
    Link there from Skerries from the Bargains forum


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