Rumen Fluke Treatment

winterwonder · 11-02-2010 9:30pm #1

Just wondering if anyone knows where i can buy Zanil (Oxyclozanide) for the treatment of rumen fluke? I tried my own vets but they cant source it, I think this is the only one that treats rumen fluke or am I wrong?

Thanks

Pacoa · 11-02-2010 11:31pm

I think this is the only one that treats rumen fluke

Yes according to jack keneddy in the farmers journal, it's the only one to kill em.
Don't know where you can get it though.

gingerGiant · 12-02-2010 1:42am

winterwonder wrote: »

I think this is the only one that treats rumen fluke or am I wrong?

Your correct Zanil is the only one to kill stomach fluke, it's out of stock with all suppliers in my area, will not be available with any of them until very late feb or early march. Luckily I got mine early some of the neighbours are really trying hard to get their hands on it but can't.

pakalasa · 12-02-2010 9:05am

Are we over panicking about this whole "Stomach Fluke" thing. I don't think it is as widespread as people think.
Jasus, a lot of people don't even do them for liver fluke.:(

Red_Marauder · 12-02-2010 3:21pm

pakalasa wrote: »

Are we over panicking about this whole "Stomach Fluke" thing. I don't think it is as widespread as people think.
Jasus, a lot of people don't even do them for liver fluke.:(

It depends. Considering the amount of flooding that the countryside has endured, i think that to ignore the issue would be a greater sin. That said, there are some farmers who just like with liver fluke, are at a greatly diminished risk.

If you can't get Zanil, ask you vet about rafoxanide (marketed as Ridafluke by Chanelle) and consider upping the dosage significantly for rumenal fluke. It doesn't really work at regular dosage.

michelle.shelle · 05-08-2010 3:49pm

Hi,

I done a lot of research on the different veterinary drug for the treatment of anthelmintic infections and oxyclozanide is the best drug on the market for stomach fluke, it is not efficient for the treatment for liver fluke so if you can get a combinaton product with oxyclozanide and another drug this would be the best thing. I dont know of any combination products for the treatment of stomach and liver fluke, maybe you might have to use two single products if it is needed.
I think there is a veterinary formulation called levafas or something like that that contains levamisole and oxyclozanide and this has a short enough withdrawl period compared to drugs like nitroxynil and should be able to treat nematodes (roundworms) and stomach fluke if you have more than one problem to treat! Hope this is of help!

morning delight · 05-08-2010 7:59pm

michelle.shelle wrote: »

I think there is a veterinary formulation called levafas or something like that

Levafas diamond.
Zanil can't be got in the country for love nor money!;) Not surprising considering no one heard of stomach fluke until about 3 years ago. Surprising though the pharma company hasn't upped production as it appears there is good demand for it!

LostCovey · 05-08-2010 9:32pm

pakalasa wrote: »

Are we over panicking about this whole "Stomach Fluke" thing. I don't think it is as widespread as people think.
Jasus, a lot of people don't even do them for liver fluke.:(

It probably depends on where you are Pakalasa. if you are on dry sandy soil, neither might be a big issue it might not matter whether you dose or not.

If you are in the wet west where I am, it can be so bad that it ALMOST doesn't matter whether you dose or not!

LostCovey

krazyklown · 05-08-2010 10:25pm

Just out of interest has anybody had confirmed cases of rumen fluke?

I asked the vet in our local factory what he thought and he was extremly dismissive about rumen fluke - he felt it was a 'miniscule risk'.

Then i met a rep from Norbrook who manufacture Levafas. He said the reason that rumen fluke has become such an issue was because it is spread by the water snail which had grown hugely in numbers from the wet years we had previously.

hard to know if its all hype...

dar31 · 05-08-2010 10:41pm

krazyklown wrote: »

Just out of interest has anybody had confirmed cases of rumen fluke?

I asked the vet in our local factory what he thought and he was extremly dismissive about rumen fluke - he felt it was a 'miniscule risk'.

Then i met a rep from Norbrook who manufacture Levafas. He said the reason that rumen fluke has become such an issue was because it is spread by the water snail which had grown hugely in numbers from the wet years we had previously.

hard to know if its all hype...

got 10 samples done in the spring all had traces of rumen fluke and liver fluke, over half had a high burden. milk tank samples taken 2 months back showed a high burden still. will monitor tank every 2/3 months from now on.
never had fluke problems till 12 months ago, serious problem cost dearly.
some of our ground is wet, but not the west wet.
previously would only have used 500ml of trodax about every 3 years on 400 head.
reaaly caught us off guard around x mas time, all our heifers suffered badly, luckly didnt loose any.

LostCovey · 05-08-2010 11:33pm

dar31 wrote: »

got 10 samples done in the spring all had traces of rumen fluke and liver fluke, over half had a high burden. milk tank samples taken 2 months back showed a high burden still. will monitor tank every 2/3 months from now on.
never had fluke problems till 12 months ago, serious problem cost dearly.
some of our ground is wet, but not the west wet.
previously would only have used 500ml of trodax about every 3 years on 400 head.
reaaly caught us off guard around x mas time, all our heifers suffered badly, luckly didnt loose any.

Hi Dar31,

I am curious about the milk tank sample testing for fluke:

1. If it is a test for antibodies, then surely it is just telling you about the previous infection (which you have presumable cleared with a dose). How long do antibodies take to appear in milk of infected cows, and how soon do they disappear after treatment? Totally open to contradiction here, but I would have a strong personal preference for checking dung samples for fluke eggs - old fashioned but robust and easier to interpret. If fluke eggs are detected in a dung sample the animal has fluke. If no fluke eggs are detected, it could still have immature flukes, but you are probably in the clear.

2. I understand that the bulk tank test can only tell you about liver fluke (subject to point 1 above), but it can tell you nothing about the rumen fluke. Is this correct?

3. How much does the milk test cost?

Sorry for all the questions, I just think that parasites are fascinating, if a bit frustrating.

Thanks

LostCovey

whelan1 · 06-08-2010 11:36am

sent a cow to ucd during the year and she had rumen and liver fluke - of course he said to use zanil , but where to get it ? wonder can it be got in the uk, we routinely do all cows at drying off for fluke

Min · 06-08-2010 12:09pm

My vet said to do all animals for rumen fluke, I did some for it last winter, anything that I thought that was underperforming was done.

I know a person who lost several animals from it and it was confirmed in his herd.

reilig · 06-08-2010 12:38pm

LostCovey wrote: »

Hi Dar31,

I am curious about the milk tank sample testing for fluke:

1. If it is a test for antibodies, then surely it is just telling you about the previous infection (which you have presumable cleared with a dose). How long do antibodies take to appear in milk of infected cows, and how soon do they disappear after treatment? Totally open to contradiction here, but I would have a strong personal preference for checking dung samples for fluke eggs - old fashioned but robust and easier to interpret. If fluke eggs are detected in a dung sample the animal has fluke. If no fluke eggs are detected, it could still have immature flukes, but you are probably in the clear.

2. I understand that the bulk tank test can only tell you about liver fluke (subject to point 1 above), but it can tell you nothing about the rumen fluke. Is this correct?

3. How much does the milk test cost?

Sorry for all the questions, I just think that parasites are fascinating, if a bit frustrating.

Thanks

LostCovey

Analysing faeces for fluke eggs is an unreliable method of detection of fluke infestation. This is because early immatures and immatures can cause significant losses, and no eggs will yet be shed in the faeces.

Only adult fluke give rise to eggs in the faeces, and expecting fluke eggs to be present may give rise to a misdiagnosis/losses.

reilig · 06-08-2010 12:48pm

whelan1 wrote: »

sent a cow to ucd during the year and she had rumen and liver fluke - of course he said to use zanil , but where to get it ? wonder can it be got in the uk, we routinely do all cows at drying off for fluke

Whelan can you use Rafazole, Flukex, or Ridafluke? All have the same ingredient as the Zanil (rafoxanide). It might be worth checking with your vet. As Red_Marauder said above, it is made by Chanelle veterinary in Loughrea. If your vet approves what Red Marauder said above then I can check it out with chanelle for you as I know someone working there. But almost anything that they sell needs a prescription now.

I see farmrite sold out of the zanil which shows that a lot of southern farmers got prescriptions and went to them. Maybe there's another UK or northern ireland seller that will sell to you if you get a prescription from your own vet??

LostCovey · 06-08-2010 2:18pm

Reilig, me oul' segoshia,

For once we absolutely totally agree on something!!!!!! More or less agree anyway, and your emphasis on the risk of disease caused by immature fluke is a fair point, even if it is more relevant for sheep than cattle.

reilig wrote: »

Analysing faeces for fluke eggs is an unreliable method of detection of fluke infestation. This is because early immatures and immatures can cause significant losses, and no eggs will yet be shed in the faeces.

Only adult fluke give rise to eggs in the faeces, and expecting fluke eggs to be present may give rise to a misdiagnosis/losses.

or as I put it

LostCovey wrote: »

If no fluke eggs are detected, it could still have immature flukes, but you are probably in the clear.

However, the point I was making is that a positive faecal egg test is always significant - not so sure if that is true of the milk test, which is what I was really questioning.

LostCovey

LostCovey · 06-08-2010 2:21pm

reilig wrote: »

Whelan can you use Rafazole, Flukex, or Ridafluke? All have the same ingredient as the Zanil (rafoxanide). It might be worth checking with your vet. As Red_Marauder said above, it is made by Chanelle veterinary in Loughrea. If your vet approves what Red Marauder said above then I can check it out with chanelle for you as I know someone working there. But almost anything that they sell needs a prescription now.

I see farmrite sold out of the zanil which shows that a lot of southern farmers got prescriptions and went to them. Maybe there's another UK or northern ireland seller that will sell to you if you get a prescription from your own vet??

No rafoxanide won't do it Reilig. Oxyclozanide is the only product licenced in Ireland that will kill rumen flukes, Rafoxanide definitely does not. However a lot of people do not seem to realise that Oxyclozanide is in more products than just Zanil - e.g. the Levafas Diamond example given above.

LostCovey

LostCovey

reilig · 06-08-2010 3:27pm

LostCovey wrote: »

Reilig, me oul' segoshia,

For once we absolutely totally agree on something!!!!!! More or less agree anyway, and your emphasis on the risk of disease caused by immature fluke is a fair point, even if it is more relevant for sheep than cattle.

There's no winner or loser here, you don't always have to be right. What you said is not true, its equally relevant for both cattle and sheep and goats for that matter and for you to say

If no fluke eggs are detected, it could still have immature flukes, but you are probably in the clear

is wrong and bad advice which can cause people to think that they don't have a fluke problem when they may have and may lose animals and profit because they don't dose for fluke.

If you are in the wet west where I am, it can be so bad that it ALMOST doesn't matter whether you dose or not!

Don't dose your animals for fluke and see how well they thrive. Try bringing sheep that you haven't dosed for fluke to a factory - they won't be long throwing the liver out on a desk in front of you to tell you how bad your farming practices are.

We live in Ireland, our climate and land quality dictate that the majority of grazing land is prone to fluke. Every farmer should have an annual fluke dosing policy. To advise someone that it "almost doesn't matter whether you dose or not" is irresponsible.

snowman707 · 06-08-2010 4:17pm

I'd advise anyone who may think their stock is at risk from stomach fluke to consult their vet.

Some of the information given on this thread is utter bullsh1t

LostCovey · 06-08-2010 8:54pm

reilig wrote: »

To advise someone that it "almost doesn't matter whether you dose or not" is irresponsible.

It's just an irony-free zone isn't it?

For the record, and for the benefit of any pathologically literal/feeble minded people who my stumble on this thread, and for the clarity of all, please let me explain that I was advising no such thing.

I humbly apologise if I implied that livestock production in wet land in the west of Ireland could proceed without fluke dosing. I didn't mean to. It was irony. Wasted.

LostCovey

LostCovey · 06-08-2010 8:57pm

snowman707 wrote: »

I'd advise anyone who may think their stock is at risk from stomach fluke to consult their vet.

Some of the information given on this thread is utter bullsh1t

Well, yes, that is true snowman707.

But if you don't specify which of the information you think is bullsh1t, and leave us to guess, you're not adding very much to the discussion are you?

LostCovey

whelan1 · 06-08-2010 9:26pm

thanks lc another thread lost:mad:

LostCovey · 06-08-2010 9:59pm

whelan1 wrote: »

thanks lc another thread lost:mad:

Don't be so predictable whelan1.

If a discussion upsets you, you should not feel compelled to join it, but as you are here, you are welcome to join in. If you have anything to say

If you have nothing to say but whinge about who is involved, you are still welcome.

Nice to see you are still around.

LostCovey

whelan1 · 06-08-2010 10:10pm

why bother answering a thread that is inevitably going to be shut down by your comments ... i give up .. you win... good night

LostCovey · 06-08-2010 11:34pm

As far as I can determine, the following is the complete current list of licenced products on the Irish market that can kill rumen flukes (i.e. contain oxyclozanide at the proper concentration). If there are others, I would be interested to hear about them.

Best regards,

LostCovey

Listed as Trade Name /Licence Holder = manufacturer usually / IMB Licence Number / Active Ingredient
LEVAFAS C FLUKE AND WORM DRENCH Oral Suspension Norbrook Laboratories Limited 10999/042/001 Oxyclozanide
LEVAFAS DIAMOND FLUKE AND WORM DRENCH Oral Suspension Norbrook Laboratories Limited 10999/036/001 Oxyclozanide
NILZAN DRENCH PLUS Oral Suspension Schering Plough Limited 10277/027/001 Oxyclozanide
PHARMAZAN C ORAL SUSPENSION 1.5/3.0/0.382 Oral Suspension Chem-Pharm 10823/020/001 Oxyclozanide
ZANIL FLUKE DRENCH 3.4 Oral Suspension Schering Plough Limited 10277/043/001 Oxyclozanide

LostCovey · 06-08-2010 11:44pm

reilig wrote: »

There's no winner or loser here, you don't always have to be right. What you said is not true, its equally relevant for both cattle and sheep and goats for that matter

Again, just for the record, this is untrue, Reilig, and if you had experience with both sheep and cattle, it is really obvious. Immature liver fluke are not equally relevant for sheep and cattle.

Sheep and goats are very susceptible to acute liver fluke disease, which is caused by immature flukes, and usually fatal.

Cattle do not normally get this condition, as they have greater resistance to liver fluke.

Cattle do get infested with immature fluke, they do suffer liver damage, but to a much lesser extent than sheep, and rarely show any ill effects. Sheep, especially lambs regularly die from the effects of immature flukes, often in numbers.

LostCovey

reilig · 07-08-2010 1:39pm

LostCovey wrote: »

Sheep and goats are very susceptible to acute liver fluke disease, which is caused by immature flukes, and usually fatal.

Cattle do not normally get this condition, as they have greater resistance to liver fluke.

LostCovey

Is this more irony???. While older cattle are more immune to liver fluke (they still contract it and need to be dosed), younger cattle are prone to infection from immature fluke. This can cause significant condition loss or growth stunt and result in up to 30% loss. Fluke may be less fatal in cattle than sheep, but you are leading people astray by coming on here and telling them that cattle do not normally get immature fluke. Local vets and agricultural advisors are on red alert across the country after the wet july and are advising all farmers to dose against ALL types of fluke. Your statement above is misleading and if people were to follow the advice that you gave throughout this thread then they would not be dosing for immature fluke and only dosing when they saw fluke eggs in faeces which can often be too late to prevent losses - maybe not on farm deaths but significant dents in farm profit.

reilig · 07-08-2010 1:45pm

LostCovey wrote: »

Cattle do get infested with immature fluke, they do suffer liver damage, but to a much lesser extent than sheep, and rarely show any ill effects. Sheep, especially lambs regularly die from the effects of immature flukes, often in numbers.

LostCovey

Sorry, Just reading your post again and I realise that I missed out on the above point that you made which shows that you and I agree. But I feel that the advice that you are giving to people is not to dose cattle for immature fluke?? Is it?? While immature fluke will rarely cause death in cattle, it will result in significant losses in condition and growth - people need to be advised to dose for it, especially in young cattle. On my farm I don't just dose to prevent death - my dosing policy is also based around cattle thriving and growth.

LostCovey · 07-08-2010 2:32pm

reilig wrote: »

Sorry, Just reading your post again and I realise that I missed out on the above point that you made which shows that you and I agree. But I feel that the advice that you are giving to people is not to dose cattle for immature fluke?? Is it?? While immature fluke will rarely cause death in cattle, it will result in significant losses in condition and growth - people need to be advised to dose for it, especially in young cattle. On my farm I don't just dose to prevent death - my dosing policy is also based around cattle thriving and growth.

No worries Reilig, it is really easy on these forums to mis-read a post......or a person.

I wasn't exactly advising people not to dose for immature fluke - I wouldn't presume to advise anyone, but I would give my opinion. Any advice needs to be tailored to the farm & area.

However some things are universal facts. Flukes are regarded as immature from day 0 (when the animal eats the grass with the fluke cysts on it) to say day 80 or so when the fluke starts laying eggs, and is considered an adult. As it grows, it does more and more damage, as it tunnels through the liver No available fluke dose kills all immatures. Some doses kill some of them. The very best kill flukes over 14 days (but only a percentage of these) and a few doses kill more or less everything older than 50 days.

So when you say you dose for immatures, you mean you select one of the better doses. But assuming your cattle were on pasture infested with liver fluke (ie west of Kinnegad - joke) you let your cattle walk out of the crush after dosing with live immatures present in their liver, which your dose did not kill - no matter what dose you used. Furthermore, your cattle are picking up more immature flukes the second you let them out to graze, and the dose doesn't kill them after a day or two - none of the flukicides have a residual effect.

And yes, there is no doubt that if you are using a flukicide that kills immatures, you are killing more flukes, and you are probably be getting some better performance as a result. But you are removing a bigger percentage of the flukes - that's all, so it won't be a dramatic difference whether your dose kills 55% of the flukes in the animal or 68% (I made these percentages up).

The point I was trying to make was that immature fluke cause serious disease in sheep - I have seen sheep that were dosed every six weeks dying of acute liver fluke disease. That does not happen with cattle, possibly because they have a tougher liver with more fibrous tissue, and liver fluke find it harder to tunnel through it. Cattle also become resistant to liver fluke with age (as you say) partly because they react to fluke attacks by producing more fibrous (scar) tissue. Sheep immune systems just can't cope, and mature ewes are as susceptible as hoggets.

So while I do actually believe that there is relatively little to be gained from dosing cattle for immature fluke, I do it myself, because it does reduce the burdens. But it is nowhere near as important as with sheep, where if I use an adult-only flukicide, I will get deaths.

I think we also have to look at other measures, like drainage, fencing off wet areas, ditches and flooded areas, and also accept that there is land in the west which in a bad fluke year, is unsuitable for livestock, because the amount of dosing needed to keep them safe would be neither economic nor advisable. That is the type of land where I said it probably doesn't matter whether you dose or not - some places which have been heavily grazed by sheep are almost that bad, although I did mean it as a joke.

This whole debate started about rumen fluke, where the same weather & ground conditions favour its development.

LostCovey

pakalasa · 07-08-2010 2:39pm

.........who owns these legs?

Cowmad · 07-08-2010 4:59pm

It only takes a poddle of water for an animal to get fluke. Fluke is a major problem every where.Fluke is the number one problem in animal health followed by IBR then BVD

LostCovey · 07-08-2010 5:13pm

Cowmad wrote: »

It only takes a poddle of water for an animal to get fluke. Fluke is a major problem every where.

Well yes, an animal could get a fluke, but your herd won't get it from a puddle

Cowmad wrote: »

Fluke is a major problem every where.

That is not true

Cowmad wrote: »

Fluke is the number one problem in animal health followed by IBR then BVD

I don't agree, but companies marketing vaccines would be very pleased to have created that impression re IBR & BVD.

Much hype, because they are fantastic diseases, cause tons of things you can't see, here buy a vaccine for magic fix, forget biosecurity, buy whatever you want from the mart. Joke.

LostCovey

pakalasa · 07-08-2010 5:19pm

.........

dar31 · 07-08-2010 5:35pm

pakalasa wrote: »

.........

been getting that feeling a lot lately

whelan1 · 07-08-2010 5:48pm

i'm saying nothing:rolleyes:

Cowmad · 07-08-2010 5:48pm

LostCovey wrote: »

Well yes, an animal could get a fluke, but your herd won't get it from a puddle

That is not true

I don't agree, but companies marketing vaccines would be very pleased to have created that impression re IBR & BVD.

Much hype, because they are fantastic diseases, cause tons of things you can't see, here buy a vaccine for magic fix, forget biosecurity, buy whatever you want from the mart. Joke.

LostCovey

Research has being carried by Teagasc that showed it takes a small amount of water for animals to get fluke.

reilig · 07-08-2010 9:13pm

The point I was trying to make was that immature fluke cause serious disease in sheep - I have seen sheep that were dosed every six weeks dying of acute liver fluke disease. That does not happen with cattle, possibly because they have a tougher liver with more fibrous tissue, and liver fluke find it harder to tunnel through it. Cattle also become resistant to liver fluke with age (as you say) partly because they react to fluke attacks by producing more fibrous (scar) tissue. Sheep immune systems just can't cope, and mature ewes are as susceptible as hoggets.

I totally agree with the above and I'm not being sarcastic. There was a study done in UCD which compared sheep liver to cattle and they did find that cattle had tougher livers to sheep which meant that the fluke did not bore it as much. I have a link to it, I'll dig it up and pm you with it. They studied different ages and found younger cattle to be more prone as you said above.

So while I do actually believe that there is relatively little to be gained from dosing cattle for immature fluke, I do it myself, because it does reduce the burdens. But it is nowhere near as important as with sheep, where if I use an adult-only flukicide, I will get deaths.

I disagree with you on this point, In countries all over the world they are advising to the benefits of treating cattle for immature fluke. As I said in the last post, its not to prevent death but to promote thrive. As you said, you do it yourself, so you must see benefit from it.

I think we also have to look at other measures, like drainage, fencing off wet areas, ditches and flooded areas, and also accept that there is land in the west which in a bad fluke year, is unsuitable for livestock, because the amount of dosing needed to keep them safe would be neither economic nor advisable. That is the type of land where I said it probably doesn't matter whether you dose or not - some places which have been heavily grazed by sheep are almost that bad, although I did mean it as a joke.

Agree, but a lot of land in this country is heavy wet land. Impossible to choose areas to fence off. But I do think that if people operate a sendible dosing policy against fluke, they can keep it under control, no matter what type of land they have.

leoch · 09-08-2010 9:53am

well how often should u dose them through the year if u are on wet ground and would lime or aerating the ground help get rid of them in any way

5live · 19-08-2010 10:32am

Just reading about fluke. Lost 5 weanling heifers last year with rumen fluke and the rest about 50 kg lighter than normal and i am on verydry land that burns off in summer. Also watch out dosing for fluke in cows and incalf heifers this year. New analysis of residues can show up doseing for 12 MONTHS! Not good for dairy stock as only Endofluke can be used currently according to my vet. So 2 doses per winter until rest of products get retested and approved. Enjoy

whelan1 · 03-09-2010 7:16pm

there was a dept of agriculture ad on page 2 of the farming indo this week and i meant to go back and read it BUT the paper went in the recylcing bin , did anyone readit and is anyone any the wiser on what we can use on dairy cows:D

LostCovey · 03-09-2010 8:05pm

whelan1 wrote: »

there was a dept of agriculture ad on page 2 of the farming indo this week and i meant to go back and read it BUT the paper went in the recylcing bin , did anyone readit and is anyone any the wiser on what we can use on dairy cows:D

Hi whelan1,

I didn't see the Farming Indo notice, but this is the Glanbia list from last March - has there been any change since that date?

LostCovey

Re: Certain Flukicidal Products – Clarification/Change in use in animals intended for Milk for Human Consumption

Dear Supplier

Attached please find Notice from the Irish Medicines Board regarding updating of Invermectin and certain flukicidal products.

Recent advances in analytical technology developed by the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (DAFF) for monitoring of foodstuffs have called into question the precision of the labelling instructions of certain flukicidal veterinary medicines.*The veterinary medicines concerned contain clorsulon, closantel, nitroxynil, rafoxanide and triclabendazole used in dairy animals intended for milk production.*

As a prudent measure, the IMB is advising that veterinary medicines containing these substances should NOT be administered to animals producing milk for human consumption, including pregnant animals intended to produce milk for human consumption.

MEDICINES THAT CAN CONTINUE TO BE USED WITH STRICT ADHERENCE TO WITHDRAWAL PERIODS INDICATED
Name of product
Active ingredient
Albex 10%
Albendazole
Albex 2.5%
Albendazole
Endospec 10% SC
Albendazole
Endospec 2.5% SC
Albendazole
Keelogane SC
Albendazole
Osmonds Flexiben 10% SC
Albendazole
Tramazole 10%
Albendazole
Tramazole 2.5%
Albendazole
Valbazen 10%
Albendazole
Zanil
Oxyclosanide

MEDICINES NOT TO BE ADMINISTERED TO COWS/IN-CALF HEIFERS
Name of product
Active substance involved in IMB decision
Virbamec super
Clorsulon
Ivomec super
Clorsulon
Flukiver 5 Injection
Closantel
Closamectin
Closantel
Closiver for cattle
Closantel
Closamectin Pour on
Closantel
Trodax 34%
Nitroxynil
Deldrax 34%
Nitroxynil
Flukinex 9%
Rafoxanide
Orafluke 5%
Rafoxanide
Orafluke 10%
Rafoxanide
Fluken worm
Rafoxanide
Levafluke
Rafoxanide
Triazole
Rafoxanide
Fenafluke 5%
Rafoxanide
Chan Broad Spec
Rafoxanide
Rafazole Oral Suspension
Rafoxanide
Ridafluke 3%
Rafoxanide
Univet Multidose Fluke and Worm
Rafoxanide
Flukex 3%
Rafoxanide
Flukex 9%
Rafoxanide
Curafluke 5%
Rafoxanide
Curafluke 10%
Rafoxanide
Panafluke Oral Suspension
Rafoxanide
Fasinex 24%
Triclabendazole
Endex 19.5%
Triclabendazole
Fasinex 10%
Triclabendazole
Fasinex Super 19.5%
Triclabendazole
Fasifree 10%
Triclabendazole
Endofluke 10
Triclabendazole
Triclaben 10% for cattle
Triclabendazole
Tribex 10% for cattle
Triclabendazole

Glanbia Milk March 2010

whelan1 · 03-09-2010 8:34pm

got a bill from osmonds with a flyer in it , theres a rumen fluke treatment which also does for worms called pharmazan . dont know the suitability for dairy cows

morning delight · 03-09-2010 8:37pm

LostCovey wrote: »

MEDICINES THAT CAN CONTINUE TO BE USED WITH STRICT ADHERENCE TO WITHDRAWAL PERIODS INDICATED
Name of product
Active ingredient
Albex 10%
Albendazole
Albex 2.5%
Albendazole
Endospec 10% SC
Albendazole
Endospec 2.5% SC
Albendazole
Keelogane SC
Albendazole
Osmonds Flexiben 10% SC
Albendazole
Tramazole 10%
Albendazole
Tramazole 2.5%
Albendazole
Valbazen 10%
Albendazole
Zanil
Oxyclosanide

You can still use Zanil by the looks of it. And Levafas Diamond too.

I reckon I've lost 2 cows to rumen fluke in the last year. Both were treated for everything 3 or 4 times.

This Spring I had another cow going in the wrong direction with a persistent scour so I got the vet who suspected rumen fluke and we sent samples to the lab (tested for the other usuals as well). Now the cow was on death's door so she got another course of antibiotics, levafas diamond (I couldn't get zanil) and copper (black cattle had the typical rusty colouring of the coat).

The lab results came back with evidence of rumen fluke eggs and borderline/ low copper levels. The cow recovered. I had dosed and injected a few others I wasn't happy with and they improved as well. So then I was left wondering was it rumen fluke or Copper.

Sure enough about 2 months later she started scouring again, and one 2yo heifer I was unhappy with started deteriorating again. I dosed them both 3 weeks ago with Levafas diamond only and within 4/5 days they were well on the way. (Of course I was supposed to repeat the dose after 3 days but just didn't have the time to do it! The down side of part time farming)

Rumen fluke QED!

LostCovey · 03-09-2010 8:42pm

whelan1 wrote: »

got a bill from osmonds with a flyer in it , theres a rumen fluke treatment which also does for worms called pharmazan . dont know the suitability for dairy cows

It's oxyclozanide (or oxyclosanide as Glanbia spell it above). So it will kill rumen fluke too.

LC

http://www.imb.ie/EN/Medicines/VeterinaryMedicines/VeterinaryMedicinesListing.aspx?x=&page=1&query=pharmazan&tradename=&LicenceHolder=&LicenceNumber=&Active=&LegalStatus=&SupplyLegalStatus=&AuthDateFrom=&AuthDateTo=&OrderBy=name&OrderAscending=True&Auth=AUTHORISED&DrugID=1995021100&WithdrawDate=ALL&Species=&ATC=&Ther=&Advanced=no

morning delight · 03-09-2010 10:02pm

LostCovey wrote: »

It's oxyclozanide (or oxyclosanide as Glanbia spell it above). So it will kill rumen fluke too.

LC

http://www.imb.ie/EN/Medicines/VeterinaryMedicines/VeterinaryMedicinesListing.aspx?x=&page=1&query=pharmazan&tradename=&LicenceHolder=&LicenceNumber=&Active=&LegalStatus=&SupplyLegalStatus=&AuthDateFrom=&AuthDateTo=&OrderBy=name&OrderAscending=True&Auth=AUTHORISED&DrugID=1995021100&WithdrawDate=ALL&Species=&ATC=&Ther=&Advanced=no

http://www.imb.ie/images/uploaded/swedocuments/8676047_10823-20-1.pdf

Look at 4.11 Withdrawal periods. Not to be used in dairy cows. It's the same ingredients as Levafas Diamond. That isn't allowed in dairy cows either, even though it only has a 5 day meat withdrawal.

whelan1 · 04-09-2010 7:31am

i asked our vet the other day and he said they should all be back on the market later in the year its to do with the withdrawal times etc , they wherent looked into properly , i think

blue5000 · 04-09-2010 4:35pm

science moves on and there is probably a newer way of testing for residues which is way more sensitive than before. Anyway isn't it the liver that breaks down all these chemicals in the body, and if we're using something that targets the liver (sorry may be off thread here) traces are bound to stay in the liver?

LostCovey · 05-09-2010 12:01am

blue5000 wrote: »

science moves on and there is probably a newer way of testing for residues which is way more sensitive than before. Anyway isn't it the liver that breaks down all these chemicals in the body, and if we're using something that targets the liver (sorry may be off thread here) traces are bound to stay in the liver?

I think the issue is that is that in the past, it was possible to say that say milk must have no residues of product X.

Newer tests are more sensitive and can detect tiny traces of product X for ages. So some work is needed to set sensible limits for each product, and in the meantime they are forbidden because any use would produce detectable residues, and safe limits have not been established.

That is my understanding. Open to correction.

LC

Lucymart · 21-12-2011 6:27pm

I'm new to this forum and was wondering if anyone could help. I have a Suffolk Ram 3 years old who has stopped eating and is losing condition for the past week. It started with an eye infection which I treated with Opticlox. My vet suggested Rumen fluke. Is there anything i can do for him. Any ideas?

Username John · 21-12-2011 6:43pm

Lucymart wrote: »

I'm new to this forum and was wondering if anyone could help. I have a Suffolk Ram 3 years old who has stopped eating and is losing condition for the past week. It started with an eye infection which I treated with Opticlox. My vet suggested Rumen fluke. Is there anything i can do for him. Any ideas?

You could get an FEC sample done, this will tell you if its rumen fluke, if so, then dose with Zanil, I had to do it myself only last week.

Is he inside?

When you say stop eating, is he eating anything? You could try giving him some ivy, but even if he does eat this is only a short term solution til you see what the problem is.

I would say get the vet out, but your comment above about your vet said "it might be" wouldnt fill me with confidence

But maybe I am being unfair, only you can judge that.

greysides · 21-12-2011 6:59pm

It sounds as though your vet hasn't seen him yet. That might be the best approach as he'll be able to see things you won't be able to tell us. Sometimes it may sound from the description as though it could only be one thing but on seeing the animal it's very obviously something else.

An eye infection could be just an eye infection, the sickness being something else.
Or, it could be a runny eye thats part of pneumonia.
Or, it could be a listerial eye infection from silage, the ram now having the meningitis form of the disease.....................

These things would be more obvious while looking at the animal rather than the best of advice from behind a keyboard.

If you feel a visit isn't justified economically then could you take the ram to the vet?
We can give advice here but it would only be worth what you paid for it........:)

Rumen Fluke Treatment

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