Calls for State to build Mosque in Roscommon

Widdershins wrote: »

Hope his views aren't shared by the refugees.

I hope his views aren't being taken out of context. I haven't heard much from this man but maybe he's afraid of young syrian lads turning up and finding themselves with nothing to do and alienated from a local community. Maybe he's just trying to get relative services there so that they don't feel unwanted or excluded and developing a dislike for Ireland.

You can't really just dump a load of refugees in a small Irish town and just walk away, it's going to be a massive culture shock for them and they'd be a bit lost if they hadn't some familiarity to break them in.

Not a fan of Islam in the slightest but this is just one bellend looking for attention.

Widdershins wrote: »

Surely safety and a peaceful environment, food and access to education is more important than having amusements on tap. That's what we're supposed to provide to refugees. I understand a place to worship is important to some of them, but that is available not a million miles away and I also thought the state are providing a shuttle bus service to a mosque?

It is unreasonable to suggest we should fund religious buildings, we are stretching our budget to make sure these people can be looked after as it is and imo we should be working toward a secular country, not funding more religion.

It's a temporary stopping place anyway and who is to say they won't be able to return to Syria when things improve, at least in some areas.

I was reading about muslim refugees in the US. Most get the use of a community centre for an afternoon to use as a mosque. I'd imagine that's what happening in roscommon (although it's more likely to be a GAA club there ). They probably all pile into some room somewhere and have prayers and then a community meeting.
The guy who's asking for a dedicated facility to be built is just a windbag.

readytosnap wrote: »

That castle is just a shell with a poxy park built around it.
Come to think of it, feck them into the shell it will feel like home, only colder and wetter.
give them a rug out of Des Kelly's and they are sorted.

Everytime I drive through Roscommon I think "This is hell".

I remember seeing housing developments being built in Tulsk. And I kept thinking "Who'd live there?".

Attention seeking stunt by that Pakistani lad in Longford.

There is a Mosque in Ballyhaunis, and I'm sure some of the congregation would organize transport.
But that's not even necessary either. Here in Cavan town a private house beside the hospital is rented and used as a Mosque/school/drop in centre. Has been for at least a decade. Landlord (Irish lad) is delighted with the set up.
They have recently received some funds from abroad and bought a building from the receivers for use as a cultural centre and mosque, but its slow going as it seems to be worked on by the congregation themselves on a voluntary basis.

Widdershins wrote: »

I was only there once but it seemed like the dreariest, dampiest place I've ever seen. Maybe I just didn't see the better parts of Roscommon.

On a sunny day this is lovely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Key_Forest_Park

But as a whole the county is pretty boring. There's feck all to do there.
I do feel a bit sorry for the refugees. Unless they have cars or travel passes then they're effectively stuck in a small town in the middle of nowhere. It must be stupidly boring. I say this as a former culchie myself.
Having said that, I'd imagine they prefer safe & warm to being in Syria or stuck in some of those refugee camps.

fiachr_a wrote: »

How come they won't ship all Dublin's homeless to Roscommon?

Because many long term unemployed people won't move more than a few streets away from their mammies/cousins/siblings.
Others move to where work is, be it Cork, Galway, Canada or New Zealand.

All has become clear, they are going to Roscommon is so they will feel more at home, the reason for this, is the result of a government survey that found the weather in Roscommon was either Sunni or Shiite. This means Roscommon can cater to most islamists.

Lt Dan wrote: »

There will be enough cash in hand jobs knocking around come the summer. Footing turf, painting etc. No doubt as a business man, he will find them work, even if it is illegal to work. Anyway, it is suppose to be temporary (though I fear that temporary is 3-4 years , judging by current situation)

Can anyone confirm if these people have to go through an Asylum application or are they already considered as Declared Refugees (bearing in mind, it is pretty obvious that Syrians ARE candidates for refugee status) If it is the former, well, they can't work anyway until they get processed.


The man is in Longford, so, he will have a solid idea of what life is like for many Muslims in the the Connacht and Longford region. He knows both Ballaghderren and Ballyhaunis (and he is right on what he said) because they were areas previously known for Halal factories.

He stated his problems about lack of jobs, which, is a fair enough concern. He never mentioned that it was hell for other Pakistan nationals ,who worked in the factory , because they had no place to pray. Just mentioned lack of jobs. How would a Mosque (which is only 15 minutes away) alleviate their poverty and lack of jobs?

He called for State funds to fund a Mosque. Shouldn't he be more concerned about access to jobs instead?

Chancing his arm and using this event to push his own agenda

"get relative services there so that they don't feel unwanted or excluded and developing a dislike for Ireland."

While the Church was always important for the Irish in America and Oz to get themselves into the American / Oz community, the Mosques around Europe haven't really been that great with getting their people integrated into their host countries. (No excuse for preventing Mosques btw, just let them pay for it themselves)

"There will be enough cash in hand jobs this summer"?😲

Lt Dan wrote: »

😲 ?

I do not speak that language , you will have to ask that question again

Na **** that, you will have to tell me more about these summer hand jobs,
Why the summer?
Who,s administering these handjobs?
Is it a local tradition, like a annual summer handjob festival?

SILVAMAN wrote: »

A Longford based Pakistani business man has called for the government to build a mosque in Roscommon, for the newly arrived Syrians. He apparently claims that to be there in Ballaghadereen is a "punishment " for them, and that they are being discriminated against, etc.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/calls-for-roscommon-council-to-build-mosque-1.3017962
Fcuk that nonsense, I say. Let him put his money where his big mouth is and fund one himself. He might take the time to acquaint himself with our culture and laws. This isn't some Islamic dominated dump, rooted in the Middle Ages, which funds mosques, or any other type of religious building.

The day after the Saudis and Qataris fund and build a couple of Cathedrals we'll give it a wee bit of consideration...
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Lt Dan wrote: »

When did the Pakistani National become spokesperson for Syrians, and when did he remotely care about them? Some people reek of agenda setting and will jump on any bandwagon

12,000 Muslims in the Midlands? :eek:

This hostel in Ballaghdeeran has not been popular because there had been genuine hope that the hotel which will not act like a hostel was going to open up again and bring in jobs. Talk about really wanting to wind up the locals

"The town is like a desert. There’s no activity there,no business there,"

1. The purpose of Asylum is NOT so Ahmed can get a job, but to offer shelter from persecution

2. Well, so is Longford , yet, that never stopped the Pakistan national, who more that likely, at some point, came to Ireland as a "asylum seeker" or "student" and who got "married" or fathered a child in order to get permanent legal status

3. Beggars can't be choosers

A prayer center could EASILY be prepared in the new hostel and even get one of the Irish Mosque leaders to give it a blessing. Would be a lovely day, have some thay and cake ready for them all and give them a big Roscommon welcome (or Mayo)

No doubt the man from Longford will be more than delighted to help out

And a few free gargles!

Lt Dan wrote: »

Hang sandwiches?

Would the gargle and ham be against some Muslim traditions?

There allowed toasted hang sandwiches!

Lt Dan wrote: »

Yeah yeah. Ruairi Quinn called on the people to discuss getting rid of Catholic Run Schools. It did not really work.


You are going to struggle to find Catholic dogma still being taught in most schools



As in abortion? In Ireland Catholics ain't the only ones who oppose abortion in all cases.



The State failed to investigate allegations that had been made years ago. The State entrusted their role to the Church because the State was unable and unwilling to do their jobs eg provide State Run Hospitals, Schools, and Orphanages




Last time I checked , several churches have needed renovation. The renovations were self funded . No State Grants. No State funds were sought for building of churches either, many of whom are older than this State.



You can start by noting that Islam is an enemy of the Western World, or their teachings are at odds with the Western World, or , again, State do not fund the Catholic Church in Ireland.





The article was from The Irish Times

Thanks for fisking. It makes the post so much harder to reply to without fisking.

96% of national schools in Ireland are under religious patronage. 90% are under catholic patronage. In these schools children are taught catholic dogma and doctrine. They are prepared for their first communion and confirmations during class time. Religion permeates the schools. These schools can refuse anyone who isn't catholic on the grounds that they're not catholic. They force non Catholics to sit in, but not participate in catholic lessons. And they are all state funded. The state will build and staff a catholic school for free. The state has spent billions doing this over the years.

The nuts thing is that in any discussion about the state funding of catholic education the argument is normally Catholics who are for it and atheists against it. There's no-one who actually denies it exists. Except you.

The vast majority of people against abortion in this country are Catholics. Look at any pro life groups in this country and you'll find that the vast majority are catholic organisations or run by staunch Catholics. An individual who is pro life isn't necessarily catholic but to deny any link between Ireland's anti abortion stance and the catholic church is stupid.

BTW, the state don't build churches but they do fund their renovation. A church can be designated a historic building and then the state pays for the refurbishments. The catholic church complained abut this. Not because they didn't want the free money but because they weren't allowed upgrade or change the layouts of the buildings. Apparently planning authorities will only allow renovations on buildings if it restores them, not changes them.

As for Islam being the enemy of the west? You don't actually know any Muslims do you. They'd laugh at you. They're just people getting on with their lives. They're not part of some secret conspiracy to invade Ireland. When I hear people say that they're the enemy of the west I think of the Jewish conspiracy. How they were working to destroy christian Europe. You can see how accurate that was and how that turned out.
But this isn't really the thread for that discussion. there's loads of threads about that so feel free to go there and have a rant. Or even go and hop onto the BNP or Britain first homepages. Maybe even join these guys, http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/anti-islam-group-patrolling-dublin

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Peoples fear of Islam is entirely justified, and it is not an irrational fear. Islam once it puts down firm roots anywhere starts going bat$hit crazy. No religion/cult should have taxpayer money funneled into it. Fuq them all. That goes for the RCC too, they are all pure poison.

At least we agree on the church

As for the islam thing. As I mentioned in a previous reply to someone else. We have loads of threads about that. Let's not let this thread descend into that. Let's see if we can declare this thread a DMZ

In any radio interview about the refugees in Roscommon, its been amusing listening to the reporter trying to find a local with a bad word to say about them.
Now, living in rural area myself, there is a tendency for media types to head for the most hill billy looking character they can find. And said hill billy usually obliges with a tirade of "colourful opinions", to the general merriment of all.
Thankfully, in Roscommon, people seem to be fairly " on message" and determined not to be seen as introverted curtain twitchers, with racist undertones.