Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

DoctaDee · 06-06-2017 10:13pm #1

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Slattsy · 06-06-2017 10:18pm

first post !!!

Always wanted this honour on boards

Bret Hart · 06-06-2017 10:19pm

Justice for Dermo.

downthemiddle · 06-06-2017 10:20pm

Bret Hart wrote: »

Justice for Dermo.

Well said, it is justice.

CatInABox · 06-06-2017 10:21pm

That link in the old thread doesn't lead here, Doc! You had me mightily confused for a moment, I clicked the link, then clicked off the tab before it loaded, then I came back to a "Post New Thread" screen. Sat there for a couple of minutes raging at myself for forgetting whatever genius thought I had that needed it's own thread before I realised it was a mistake

Dyr · 06-06-2017 10:22pm

I'm just going to note that the previous dublin thread was locked on page 666...

Slattsy · 06-06-2017 10:22pm

I'd nearly appeal it for the craic, imagine all the faux outrage here and on Twitter when he gets off.

DoctaDee · 06-06-2017 10:23pm

Slattsy wrote: »

first post !!!

Always wanted this honour on boards

Yer only a delete button away from having that honour removed boyo !

Stoner · 06-06-2017 10:23pm

Has Shane supple left the panel?

downthemiddle · 06-06-2017 10:25pm

Stoner wrote: »

Has Shane supple left the panel?

Long gone.

dxhound2005 · 06-06-2017 10:28pm

Just in case anyone feels the need to quote a post from the old thread, it is a mighty complicated business.

DoctaDee · 06-06-2017 10:36pm

CatInABox wrote: »

That link in the old thread doesn't lead here, Doc! You had me mightily confused for a moment, I clicked the link, then clicked off the tab before it loaded, then I came back to a "Post New Thread" screen. Sat there for a couple of minutes raging at myself for forgetting whatever genius thought I had that needed it's own thread before I realised it was a mistake

Gracias CIAB ...no fun looking a fool unintentionally

EICVD · 06-06-2017 10:39pm

Bret Hart wrote: »

Justice for Dermo.

Let's get a Facebook page going......

Stoner · 06-06-2017 10:45pm

downthemiddle wrote:

Long gone.

On the Android app everytime I open the first Dublin GAA the question on Shane supple leaving the panel opens up. I think that's the locked thread mentioned above.

downthemiddle · 06-06-2017 10:47pm

Stoner wrote: »

On the Android app everytime I open the first Dublin GAA the question on Shane supple leaving the panel opens up. I think that's the locked thread mentioned above.

He's now a life coach.

Powerhouse · 06-06-2017 11:21pm

Slattsy wrote: »

I'd nearly appeal it for the craic, imagine all the faux outrage here and on Twitter when he gets off.

What makes you think the outrage would be "faux"? Maybe people would be genuinely pissed off?

BonnieSituation · 07-06-2017 12:11am

I feel our thread title is deserving more oomph.

That being said our population has clearly been the reason that has gotten us to a second thread before the "others from down there".

Stoner · 07-06-2017 1:15am

They use Snapchat more. Asynchronous chat forums don't capture the winks and nods properly.

MayoAreMagic · 07-06-2017 10:01am

Do Connolly's black cards still stand after any potential ban? Like could there potentially be a situation where he comes back for AI semi, gets a black card and is banned for the final?

Major Dubfire · 07-06-2017 10:56am

I've heard the county board have said this morning that if he wants to appeal he can do so on his own. Has anyone else heard this or have a link to same?

Major Dubfire · 07-06-2017 11:07am

For some reason I can't quote anyone in this thread.

Anyway Shane Supple plays in goal for Bohemians in the League of Ireland the last two years. As far as I know they allow him play for his club St. Brigid's from time to time.

Gael85 · 07-06-2017 11:09am

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Do Connolly's black cards still stand after any potential ban? Like could there potentially be a situation where he comes back for AI semi, gets a black card and is banned for the final?

Correct if black carded in a potential semi final would miss final

Bass Reeves · 07-06-2017 11:21am

Connolly is not just banned from playing I also think( and I may be wrong) that he is unable to train with the County Squad or with his Club for the duration of the ban. If this is the case it is hard to see him being in any sort of match fitness for the semi-final as ban wouid only end night before semi-final. It is hard to even see him being capable of playing in final. AFAIK Paul Galvin ban was similar and he was unable to train with either club or county

PARlance · 07-06-2017 11:24am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I feel our thread title is deserving more oomph.

That being said our population has clearly been the reason that has gotten us to a second thread before the "others from down there".

Dublin Thread 2 - The beginning of the end.

???

(And yes, name the Mayo one, The never ending story)

BonnieSituation · 07-06-2017 11:25am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Connolly is not just banned from playing I also think( and I may be wrong) that he is unable to train with the County Squad or with his Club for the duration of the ban. If this is the case it is hard to see him being in any sort of match fitness for the semi-final as ban wouid only end night before semi-final. It is hard to even see him being capable of playing in final. AFAIK Paul Galvin ban was similar and he was unable to train with either club or county

Correct. But I'm sure he's more than capable of sorting himself out re fitness.

I would really hope that should we get to a SF that we're not relying on him anyway.

ProudDUB · 07-06-2017 11:54am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I feel our thread title is deserving more oomph.

That being said our population has clearly been the reason that has gotten us to a second thread before the "others from down there".

How about Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - The Empire Strikes Back.

(Can I be Princess Leia?)

Bass Reeves · 07-06-2017 11:55am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Correct. But I'm sure he's more than capable of sorting himself out re fitness.

I would really hope that should we get to a SF that we're not relying on him anyway.

It is easy to sort fitness and that would be no issue, match fitness is another issue and general ball work would be a huge issue.

DoctaDee · 07-06-2017 11:59am

PARlance wrote: »

Dublin Thread 2 - The beginning of the end.

???

(And yes, name the Mayo one, The never ending story)

ProudDUB wrote: »

How about Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - The Empire Strikes Back.

(Can I be Princess Leia?)

Thread title changed .. we'll have a weekly competition to update it depending on the next circus that comes around

TallGlass · 07-06-2017 12:08pm

Is anyone else thinking that if Connolly doesn't get banned after appealing and we go onto win, that we will never here the end of it, that we shouldn't have won?

Bass Reeves · 07-06-2017 12:21pm

TallGlass wrote: »

Is anyone else thinking that if Connolly doesn't get banned after appealing and we go onto win, that we will never here the end of it, that we shouldn't have won?

Is anyone else thinking that if Connolly get banned after appealing and Dublin go onto lose, that we will never here the end of it, that Dublin should have won and the rest of GAA conspired against a hard done by Dublin player

TallGlass · 07-06-2017 12:26pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Is anyone else thinking that if Connolly get banned after appealing and Dublin go onto lose, that we will never here the end of it, that Dublin shouldn have won and the rest of GAA conspired against a hard done Dublin player

I take it you mean should have won?

I suppose, either way there's going to be a lot of moaning about it.

Bass Reeves · 07-06-2017 12:33pm

TallGlass wrote: »

I take it you mean should have won?

I suppose, either way there's going to be a lot of moaning about it.

corrected that in case there was any doubt.

BonnieSituation · 07-06-2017 12:41pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It is easy to sort fitness and that would be no issue, match fitness is another issue and general ball work would be a huge issue.

The huge issue will be relying on his return.

TallGlass wrote: »

Is anyone else thinking that if Connolly doesn't get banned after appealing and we go onto win, that we will never here the end of it, that we shouldn't have won?

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Is anyone else thinking that if Connolly get banned after appealing and Dublin go onto lose, that we will never here the end of it, that Dublin should have won and the rest of GAA conspired against a hard done by Dublin player

We'll never hear the end of it anyway.

Past30Now · 07-06-2017 1:09pm

He should get a ban, one game or maybe two, but 12 weeks, and not allowed to train with club or county, is deeply unfair. Assuming the ban stands, he'll be unavailable up to the semi final (if we qualify) and under prepared for any matches that follow.

No one should touch an official, but the officials have to protect players like DC. In the five seconds before he put his hand on the official, he was manhandled by three of the Carlow lads, and this is a fraction of what he has to deal with constantly. He's no angel, but he gets very little protection from officials.

bruschi · 07-06-2017 1:35pm

Past30Now wrote: »

He should get a ban, one game or maybe two, but 12 weeks, and not allowed to train with club or county, is deeply unfair. Assuming the ban stands, he'll be unavailable up to the semi final (if we qualify) and under prepared for any matches that follow.

No one should touch an official, but the officials have to protect players like DC. In the five seconds before he put his hand on the official, he was manhandled by three of the Carlow lads, and this is a fraction of what he has to deal with constantly. He's no angel, but he gets very little protection from officials.

how is he any different to any other top class county forward? Bernard Brogan gets attention, you dont see him reacting? He gives as good as he gets, and often times he is the one instigating the off the ball stuff. He gets as much protection as any other player gets. The difference being, he reacts much differently to other players.

And even in that case, the ref and linesman gave the decision to Carlow. Connolly dropped the ball but went back to take it again and the Carlow players werer getting the ball back off him. this sort of thing happens in every game, if you concede a free/lineball and keep hold of the ball, it's inevitable that the opposing players try take it back. It was totally of his own making, he did not have to pick up the ball again once the decision went against him, its not like the players went after him for no reason. And once they got the ball they had no interest in him.

KrustyUCC · 07-06-2017 1:40pm

I think keeping the ball would stop quickly if players were penalised 13 metres more often

You teach under 12s free given against you, put the ball down and get back into defence

Interesting about the ban including training and club

I wasn't aware it was that far reaching

Bass Reeves · 07-06-2017 2:30pm

Past30Now wrote: »

He should get a ban, one game or maybe two, but 12 weeks, and not allowed to train with club or county, is deeply unfair. Assuming the ban stands, he'll be unavailable up to the semi final (if we qualify) and under prepared for any matches that follow.

No one should touch an official, but the officials have to protect players like DC. In the five seconds before he put his hand on the official, he was manhandled by three of the Carlow lads, and this is a fraction of what he has to deal with constantly. He's no angel, but he gets very little protection from officials.

All good forwards get treatment from about U14 on and maybe before that even. Like another poster said he should not have picked up the ball after the line ball was given against him. It is in black and white in the rule book and is being enforced this year IMO rightly so. It seems he stayed mouthing to that official even after this incident. As well it is not like he he has not got a history of over reacting to issues that other top forwards take in there stride.

What must really annoy the Dublin managment is the stupidity of it all in a match that did not matter as it was always going to result in a Dublin victory. He should have been zoned into getting through that match and watching himself like a hawk with the black card issue hanging over him. When the line ball was given against him he should have moved away and not got involved

Past30Now · 07-06-2017 2:32pm

bruschi wrote: »

how is he any different to any other top class county forward? Bernard Brogan gets attention, you dont see him reacting?

I think (with admittedly blue tinted glasses on) that he gets more off the ball attention than most if not all the other top class county forwards. He's responsible for a lot of that, but at the same stage that doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected just because it's DC on the receiving end of treatment.

MayoAreMagic · 07-06-2017 2:42pm

I think people taking issue with the 12 weeks really have an issue with the rules rather than the D Connolly incident. If people want to change that they can put it to congress etc.

Could Connolly play with the Dublin hurlers for the 12 weeks?

Bass Reeves · 07-06-2017 2:44pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Could Connolly play with the Dublin hurlers for the 12 weeks?

AFAIK he cannot, the ban ecompasses all codes at all levels. He is also banned from all structured training at club and county level

PARlance · 07-06-2017 2:48pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Could Connolly play with the Dublin hurlers for the 12 weeks?

Even the Dublin hurlers dont play hurling for Dublin. In any case, I think it would be best for everyone if we avoided handing Dermo a weapon.

Stoner · 07-06-2017 4:08pm

PARlance wrote:

Even the Dublin hurlers dont play hurling for Dublin. In any case, I think it would be best for everyone if we avoided handing Dermo a weapon.

Sure all he needs is a pen and a trip Mayo to keep a footballer busy for 12 weeks
The pen is mightier than the sword and all that !

PARlance · 07-06-2017 5:17pm

Stoner wrote: »

Sure all he needs is a pen and a trip Mayo to keep a footballer busy for 12 weeks
The pen is mightier than the sword and all that !

Mayo's not that big, it wouldn't take him 12 weeks to get all the team's autographs

ProudDUB · 07-06-2017 6:25pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Is anyone else thinking that if Connolly get banned after appealing and Dublin go onto lose, that we will never here the end of it, that Dublin should have won and the rest of GAA conspired against a hard done by Dublin player

Nah. We leave the whinging about media conspiracies to the Mayo crowd.

LeoB · 07-06-2017 10:50pm

I have stated many times here and in other threads players like Connolly, Gouch, Murphy, McBrearty get no protection from referees. It has always been the same Canavan, Duff, Joyce all got plenty of sly belts. That is wrong but wont change. There are about 4 or 5 decent referees on the go and thats it. That lines man on Saturday seems to attract controversy and the referee is not much better.

The fact that the incident was dealt with at the time has me thinking there is politics at play here. Brannagan didnt bring it to referees attention at the time so the referee "dealt" with it. Why did Mr. Brannagan not put up his flag then if he was pushed? Who got to the referee after the game?

At nearly 30 years of age Connolly should have more kop on. As I said above He is unfairly targeted. It is time the county board stood up for him whetehr there is an appeal or not.

Until he can calm himself down he is a massive liability and maybe Dublin should just plan for the rest of the season without him.

I know I will be looking more closely now at games to highlight the inconsistency of some pundits. Actually Joe Brolly was decent on Sean O'Rourke today with his views.

bruschi · 07-06-2017 11:00pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Nah. We leave the whinging about media conspiracies to the Mayo crowd.

Your post would look so much better if this wasn't the very next post!

LeoB wrote: »

has me thinking there is politics at play here.

Who got to the referee after the game?

I know I will be looking more closely now at games to highlight the inconsistency of some pundits.

Bass Reeves · 07-06-2017 11:25pm

LeoB wrote: »

I have stated many times here and in other threads players like Connolly, Gouch, Murphy, McBrearty get no protection from referees. It has always been the same Canavan, Duff, Joyce all got plenty of sly belts. That is wrong but wont change. There are about 4 or 5 decent referees on the go and thats it. That lines man on Saturday seems to attract controversy and the referee is not much better.

The fact that the incident was dealt with at the time has me thinking there is politics at play here. Brannagan didnt bring it to referees attention at the time so the referee "dealt" with it. Why did Mr. Brannagan not put up his flag then if he was pushed? Who got to the referee after the game?

At nearly 30 years of age Connolly should have more kop on. As I said above He is unfairly targeted. It is time the county board stood up for him whetehr there is an appeal or not.

Until he can calm himself down he is a massive liability and maybe Dublin should just plan for the rest of the season without him.

I know I will be looking more closely now at games to highlight the inconsistency of some pundits. Actually Joe Brolly was decent on Sean O'Rourke today with his views.

Of course Brolly was ''decent'' he articulated your point of view. As is stated by many all top forwards have to live with treatment. Its the nature of the game unless we turn it into tiddltwinks. You can look at the treatment meated out to O'Connor, Murphy, Gooch, Greany, Brogan etc etc. But they live with it. Connolly gets no more or no less but he reacts to it.

What happened last Sunday had nothing to do with treatment he was meated out. He caused a furore by picking up a line ball given against him and he then tried to intimidate the linesman.

You wonder how it came to the refs attention. Connolly continued to barage the linesman after that. Maybe after the game the ref asked the linesman ''what was all that about'' and became aware of the incident then. It is the refs job to protect his officials he may have mentioned it then in the report. Brannigan not bringing it to the refs attention means the matter was not dealt with. If the ref booked him or yellow carded him it may have been deemed to have been dealt with. If he red carded as happened to Paul Galvin in 2008 the GAA could also carry it forward.

I think that Dublin GAA are in a quandry. If they appeal they are condoning what he did. This pulls the rug from under every referee that is reffing games at any level in Dublin. They are condoning the intimidation of officials.

The pundits that you are angry with just have a different point of view to Brolly.

BonnieSituation · 07-06-2017 11:48pm

The DCB aren't in a quandary. Quell this crap and accept the ban.

Dyr · 08-06-2017 12:14am

LeoB wrote: »

I have stated many times here and in other threads players like Connolly, Gouch, Murphy, McBrearty get no protection from referees. It has always been the same Canavan, Duff, Joyce all got plenty of sly belts. That is wrong but wont change. There are about 4 or 5 decent referees on the go and thats it. That lines man on Saturday seems to attract controversy and the referee is not much better.

The fact that the incident was dealt with at the time has me thinking there is politics at play here. Brannagan didnt bring it to referees attention at the time so the referee "dealt" with it. Why did Mr. Brannagan not put up his flag then if he was pushed? Who got to the referee after the game?

At nearly 30 years of age Connolly should have more kop on. As I said above He is unfairly targeted. It is time the county board stood up for him whetehr there is an appeal or not.

Until he can calm himself down he is a massive liability and maybe Dublin should just plan for the rest of the season without him.

I know I will be looking more closely now at games to highlight the inconsistency of some pundits. Actually Joe Brolly was decent on Sean O'Rourke today with his views.

I think someone pointed out a while back on telly about a forwarded who was eventually sent off, who did ALL the fouling up until he was sent off, him of his marker?

Look at sean cavanagh and lee keegan in the quarter finals last year, keegan was persistently fouling cavanagh off the ball. He could have earned 4 yellows in the first half but neither the ref or the linesman would call it when everyone else in the stadium could see it. Eventually the ref bottles it and hands out two yellow cards, which is what keegan wanted and then cavanagh then walks on another bull**** yellow. Mission accomplished.

The rules are supposed to discourage foul play by making the risk not worth the reward but the officials are doing the opposite, they are rewarding persistent fouling. Every teams is at it but it disproportionately affects the best players in the country.

Drumpot · 08-06-2017 9:40am

Bambi wrote: »

I think someone pointed out a while back on telly about a forwarded who was eventually sent off, who did ALL the fouling up until he was sent off, him of his marker?

Look at sean cavanagh and lee keegan in the quarter finals last year, keegan was persistently fouling cavanagh off the ball. He could have earned 4 yellows in the first half but neither the ref or the linesman would call it when everyone else in the stadium could see it. Eventually the ref bottles it and hands out two yellow cards, which is what keegan wanted and then cavanagh then walks on another bull**** yellow. Mission accomplished.

The rules are supposed to discourage foul play by making the risk not worth the reward but the officials are doing the opposite, they are rewarding persistent fouling. Every teams is at it but it disproportionately affects the best players in the country.

This is important for me if the sport is to progress. Is the tournament better without Connolly? His Dublin status only matters to idiots incapable of seeing the bigger picture. DC will eventually retire and rival players will still be getting off with winding up quality players at the expense of watching talent flourish. Just listen to some of Goochs comments on the abuse he took. Is that really not worth addressing ?

Connolly was stupid and has form in reacting. But the "part and parcel" of the game horsesh*t excuse for the abuse top quality players take has got to stop. It's actually quite retarded for a sport to allow a strategy that prevents its most talented stars from shining on the big stage. It also facilitates anti- team bias from rival fans pretending to be outraged , while excusing/ignoring other players that don't bother them.

Part of the problem is that it seems to be trial by RTE that stokes the pitchforks and Springfielders get their knickers in a twist. There is an appeal procedure for everybody to use, not just players who rival fans aren't bothered with. Connolly has every right to explore this option. It's not like he nearly picked up the ref like a mayo player last year.. Funny how concerned people are now with officials once a Dub is involved!

BonnieSituation · 08-06-2017 9:42am

Drumpot wrote: »

This is important for me, if the sport is to progress. Is the tournament better without Connolly? His Dublin status only matters to idiots incapable of seeing the bigger picture. DC will eventually retire and rival players will still be getting off with winding up quality players at the expense of watching talent flourish.

Connolly was stupid and has form in reacting. But the "part and parcel" of the game horsesh*t excuse for the abuse top quality players take has got to stop. It's actually quite retarded for a sport to allow a strategy that prevents its most talented stars from shining on the big stage. It also facilitates anti- team bias from rival fans pretending to be outraged , while excusing other players that don't bother them.

Part of the problem is that it seems to be trial by RTE that stokes the pitchforks and Springfielders get their knickers in a twist. There is an appeal procedure for everybody to use, not just players who rival fans aren't bothered with. Connolly has every right to explore this option. It's not like he nearly picked up the ref like a mayo player last year.. Funny how concerned people are now with officials once a Dub is involved!

I mostly agree with what you are trying to say here. But I really believe we should leave it. Dermo isn't going to learn. And some Dubs are sick of it. I don't give a crap what other counties think.

Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

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