How long ago has Southside vs Northside been a thing?

21Savage · 17-01-2018 4:15pm #1

I should say it actually doesn't even seem to be that much of a thing anymore, if it ever was. There's no way of any rivalry really developing unless you play GAA or something but I'm interested to know when it first began to be a thing. My dad is from North Inner city and he has no memory of having any sort of feeling towards the 'southside'.

17-01-2018 4:17pm

21Savage wrote: »

I should say it actually doesn't even seem to be that much of a thing anymore, if it ever was. There's no way of any rivalry really developing unless you play GAA or something but I'm interested to know when it first began to be a thing. My dad is from North Inner city and he has no memory of having any sort of feeling towards the 'southside'.

I thought they had gotten rid of that by just replacing TS and TN with a simple T?

Riskymove · 17-01-2018 4:18pm

its always been more banter than any real rivalry

I mean neighbouring GAA clubs would be far more rivals than a northside club vs southside club

I also think that those from the city centre wouldn't really be part of it...its more of a suburban thing

knucklehead6 · 17-01-2018 4:19pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o-7MmhqNfA

Mutant z · 17-01-2018 4:20pm

I presume as long as townie and culchie has been a thing.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 4:23pm

Do you mean just with regards GAA? In terms of social or class divide it dates back centuries to when the aristocracy moved across the river to the southside and it was established as the wealthy side. It was originally the north that was where the wealthiest people live but then places like merrion square and stephens green were built

frag420 · 17-01-2018 4:24pm

Ever since they bridged the Liffey...

Lodger81 · 17-01-2018 4:26pm

Always seemed to be a southside thing to me. As a northsider i never gave the southside a sceond thought until i went to school there and got the whole "oh, you're a Northsider" reaction, was mostly banter anyway.

Mickeroo · 17-01-2018 4:27pm

It died out a fair bit after Tupac was killed.

The Backwards Man · 17-01-2018 4:29pm

All Dubs to me.

vicwatson · 17-01-2018 4:30pm

Since the culchies moved in and tried creating a divide

benjamin d · 17-01-2018 4:33pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Do you mean just with regards GAA? In terms of social or class divide it dates back centuries to when the aristocracy moved across the river to the southside and it was established as the wealthy side. It was originally the north that was where the wealthiest people live but then places like merrion square and stephens green were built

I was reading about this before and it's pretty fascinating. The northside around Parnell and Mountjoy squares were the fancy spots until Leinster house was built in the early 19th century, then all the rich folk followed over Southside and the Georgian northside buildings were converted to tenements, hence becoming the "rough" side. I may have the finer points of that wrong but that's roughly it.

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:33pm

Northside vs Southside stereotypes fall fairly easily today when you compare Castleknock, Portmarnock and Malahide to Crumlin, Clondalkin and Tallaght. If there's a real divide now, it's East and West.

Historically, I think the dockers lived on the Northside and the more affluent on the South. The Southside having a more prestigious postcode led to Áras an Uachtaráin falling in the more favorable D8 region.

benjamin d · 17-01-2018 4:36pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Northside vs Southside steroetypes fall fairly easily when you compare Castleknock, Portmarnock and Malahide to Crumlin, Clondalkin and Tallaght. If there's a real divide, it's East and West.

It stands up ok when you compare just the city centre though, insofar as a stereotype means anything. Obviously it's not going to apply across the board.

Pherekydes · 17-01-2018 4:38pm

When the southside discovered that the only airport was on the northside! That, and the GPO, Croker, Santry Stadium, the Phoenix Park, the zoo...

Suck it up, southsiders!

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:42pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

When the southside discovered that the only airport was on the northside! That, and the GPO, Croker, Santry Stadium, the Phoenix Park, the zoo...

Suck it up, southsiders!

A real coup that one.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 4:43pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Northside vs Southside stereotypes fall fairly easily today when you compare Castleknock, Portmarnock and Malahide to Crumlin, Clondalkin and Tallaght. If there's a real divide now, it's East and West.

Historically, I think the dockers lived on the Northside and the more affluent on the South. The Southside having a more prestigious postcode led to Áras an Uachtaráin falling in the more favorable D8 region.

Yeh and even with the east west thing you have sheriff street areas east and kimainham and castleknock west. Really Dublin is a big mixed bag..theres a very large concentration of wealth in the south east of the city clearly. If I had to say there was a trend Id say along the dart line is the wealthiest part of the city
Overall its a very majority middle class city, theres hardly any really bad areas

Skylinehead · 17-01-2018 4:47pm

I live inside the M50 and yet am neither Northside nor Southside :cool:

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:48pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

I live inside the M50 and yet am neither Northside nor Southside :cool:

Do you live in a houseboat on the Liffey?

Pherekydes · 17-01-2018 4:49pm

Omackeral wrote: »

A real coup that one.

"But we have Belfield! Or as it's now called, the UCD Cor Pork."

Yep, they win.

Your Face · 17-01-2018 4:49pm

Since cliched stereotypes were renewed.

So probably around 1591.

Jawgap · 17-01-2018 4:50pm

It's only been a thing since 1948 - since we started electing northsiders as Taoisigh

Skylinehead · 17-01-2018 4:51pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Do you live in a houseboat on the Liffey?

Not quite, an island. Sort of.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 4:52pm

Even thought the wealth divide isn't that big anymore overall I think the legacy is continuing mostly because people on either side of the city have developed such incredibly different accents on average( I know theres plenty of acceptiions)

I wonder if theres any other place in the world where two sides of a city have developed such starkly different accents

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-01-2018 4:53pm

Liberty Boys V Ormond Boys late 18th Century

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:54pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Not quite, an island. Sort of.

Oh yeah.

Harry Palmr · 17-01-2018 4:54pm

Here in Waterford we talk of little else.

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:56pm

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder if theres any other place in the world where two sides of a city have developed such starkly different accents

There's no real such thing as a 'Northside' and 'Southside' accent. A chap from Finglas sounds the same as a chap from Drimnagh.

Cushie Butterfield · 17-01-2018 5:02pm

Omackeral wrote:

The Southside having a more prestigious postcode led to Áras an Uachtaráin falling in the more favorable D8 region.

The reason the Áras is in D8 is that it was served by the James’s St sorting office simply because it was closer/more convenient than Phibsboro sorting office - this was way before postal codes even existed.

When codes were eventually introduced James’s St continued to sort the Áras post so it was deemed to be in Dublin 8.

Nothing to do with prestige!

Tombo2001 · 17-01-2018 5:03pm

The 1700s actually.

The northside used to be the posh part.

Mountjoy Square and Henrietta St were the posh areas in particular.

Merrion Square was built in the late 1700s and was seen as a new emerging area but less established than Mountjoy Square.

Then - and sorry for not knowing exact dates - a member of the Anglo Irish gentry married a peripheral member of the British Royal Family around that time; a 'princess' as it were. A celebrity in her day.

She moved to Dublin, and the happy couple chose to live in Merrion Square.

The baromoter of what was fashionable swung across the river.

Ever since then, the nobs live on the Southside and normal people live on the Northside.

Beta Ray Bill · 17-01-2018 5:11pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Not quite, an island. Sort of.

Neptune House?

The Weir is on the North Side so the "Island" belongs to us! (IE De Nort Side)

Skylinehead · 17-01-2018 5:14pm

grahambo wrote: »

Neptune House?

The Weir is on the North Side so the "Island" belongs to us! (IE De Nort Side)

Nah Chapelizzer

davycc · 17-01-2018 5:16pm

frag420 wrote: »

Ever since they bridged the Liffey...

North side is best side

Beta Ray Bill · 17-01-2018 5:20pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Nah Chapelizzer

Bridge on the Northside was built first, you still belong to us...

Lucky for you, we're way better than those South Side Tools!

:D:D

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 17-01-2018 5:23pm

Are parts of Chapelizod on an island? I was not aware of this.

Skylinehead · 17-01-2018 5:23pm

grahambo wrote: »

Bridge on the Northside was built first, you still belong to us...

Lucky for you, we're way better than those South Side Tools! :D:D

I spent 8 years on the Northside before my ambiguous current location, so I don't need convincing

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Are parts of Chapelizod on an island? I was not aware of this.

There's a weir all around the apartment blocks on the bridge. Does that count? I'm counting it.

Klinkhammer · 17-01-2018 5:24pm

The problem isn't really with northsiders and southsiders. Dublin 1 to 24 is fine by me.

However there's something deeply worrying about people from County Dublin, North and South.

Beta Ray Bill · 17-01-2018 5:25pm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Are parts of Chapelizod on an island? I was not aware of this.

River Island clothes shop first started there.....
That's where is got the name right?

#FakeNews

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 5:27pm

Klinkhammer wrote: »

The problem isn't really with northsiders and southsiders. Dublin 1 to 24 is fine by me.

However there's something deeply worrying about people from County Dublin, North and South.

Dulchies.

corner of hells · 17-01-2018 5:48pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

grahambo wrote: »

Bridge on the Northside was built first, you still belong to us...

Lucky for you, we're way better than those South Side Tools! :D:D

I spent 8 years on the Northside before my ambiguous current location, so I don't need convincing

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Are parts of Chapelizod on an island? I was not aware of this.

There's a weir all around the apartment blocks on the bridge. Does that count? I'm counting it.

Ohhhhh an enclave , no less.
As a Southside townie who marri..... " what did you fcukin' say ? "

I'll be back in a minute.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 5:52pm

Omackeral wrote: »

There's no real such thing as a 'Northside' and 'Southside' accent. A chap from Finglas sounds the same as a chap from Drimnagh.

Well whatever about the location its odd/funny that two such different accents exist within many parts of the city

17-01-2018 6:06pm

Klinkhammer wrote: »

The problem isn't really with northsiders and southsiders. Dublin 1 to 24 is fine by me.

However there's something deeply worrying about people from County Dublin, North and South.

Dublin 1 to 24 is all inner city to us.

King George VI · 17-01-2018 6:12pm

I remember being youngin the early 2000's and a group of Northside lads and a group of Southside lads would have battles on one of the bridges at the liffey. Throwing rocks and such, slagging, fighting...purely because they were on opposite sides of the river. But not one of them ever crossed the middle part of the bridge. Some lads got seriously injured and they deserved it. Retards.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 6:19pm

King George VI wrote: »

I remember being youngin the early 2000's and a group of Northside lads and a group of Southside lads would have battles on one of the bridges at the liffey. Throwing rocks and such, slagging, fighting...purely because they were on opposite sides of the river. But not one of them ever crossed the middle part of the bridge. Some lads got seriously injured and they deserved it. Retards.

That is so celtic tiger

jippo nolan · 17-01-2018 6:33pm

Granite walls southside, Block walls Northside!

Gatling · 17-01-2018 6:37pm

Started when we the south side got an actual flushing toilet in every house while the north side shared outhouses between 100 plus people ,
The crap has been flowing ever since

spurious · 17-01-2018 7:18pm

Trains pulled the desirable areas to live towards the south-east. Old one family dwelling places on northside became tenements.

LadyMacBeth_ · 18-01-2018 10:34am

North side vs South side of where? Oh yeah I forgot everything is about Dublin and it doesn't even need to be mentioned! Well from my time living in Dublin there are definitely good and bad parts to all areas on either side of the river, sometimes right next to each other. I lived in Kimmage for a while but on the border of Crumlin for example.

You know there is a North side - South side divide in Cork too, not sure how it originated but us southsiders call them norries and rumour has it they put whatever food they have into their sandwiches, chips, whatever is nearby

worded · 18-01-2018 10:53am

Protection to a north sider is a bus shelter

How do you know when a north sider girls orgasms? She drops her chips ... probably at that bus stop

During the 80s what did the south sider say to his boss on loosing his job?
Ah dad ... give me back my job

andekwarhola · 18-01-2018 11:01am

It's always been a confection generally as there are plenty of nice areas on the northside and rough ones on the south.

It probably comes about from the relative neglect of the north city centre vs the south city centre but even that has changed in recent times.

The best one is when you see somebody, usually culchies, referring to somebody having a 'Northside accent'.

Rumpy Pumpy · 18-01-2018 11:06am

andekwarhola wrote: »

It's always been a confection generally as there are plenty of nice areas on the northside and rough ones on the south.

It probably comes about from the relative neglect of the north city centre vs the south city centre but even that as changed in recent times.

The best one is when you see somebody, usually a culchie, referring to somebody having a 'Northside accent'.

I’m a son of the soil, and it’s not that difficult to differentiate between some gouger from Darndale, and some complete head-the-ball from Tallaght.
What they do tend to share is this misguided belief that they are a fountain of this mythical creation known as ‘Dublin wit’.

How long ago has Southside vs Northside been a thing?

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