Plastic waste gonemad - everybody do one thing now,!

Xwebstar2. · 19-02-2020 9:19pm #1

I'm cutting back totally on milk

Xwebstar2. · 19-02-2020 9:19pm

Pledge here

Allinall · 19-02-2020 9:23pm

Xwebstar2. wrote: »

I'm cutting back totally on milk

Buy cartons of milk.

Fakediamond · 19-02-2020 9:23pm

Stop putting bananas in plastic bags, it drives me bananas!

corner of hells · 19-02-2020 9:25pm

Xwebstar2. wrote: »

I'm cutting back totally on milk

Totally back to what ?

Doctors room ghost · 19-02-2020 9:26pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Totally back to what ?

Skim milk

Quantum Erasure · 19-02-2020 9:34pm

Allinall wrote: »

Buy cartons of milk.

drink straight from the cow

Airyfairy12 · 19-02-2020 9:38pm

It's a bit ridiculous how much plastic is used for everything to be fair. Fruit and veg dont need to be wrapped and bagged in plastic.
Theres other really good alternatives, recently bought a chocolate bar wrapped in a clear 'plastic' made from wood chippings. I genuinely thought it was real plastic until I read the label, I could literally throw it on the ground or in a compost heap and it would decompose and probably do the soil a bit of good. Theres also a hemp alternative that is really cheap to make. Either of these options, if mass produced, would result in millions of tree and plants being grown for the purpose of making packaging.
Companies and businesses dont care about producing less plastic unless we stop buying their products that are wrapped and packaged in it.

Xwebstar2. · 19-02-2020 9:43pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous how much plastic is used for everything to be fair. Fruit and veg dont need to be wrapped and bagged in plastic.
Theres other really good alternatives, recently bought a chocolate bar wrapped in a clear 'plastic' made from wood chippings. I genuinely thought it was real plastic until I read the label, I could literally throw it on the ground or in a compost heap and it would decompose and probably do the soil a bit of good. Theres also a hemp alternative that is really cheap to make. Either of these options, if mass produced, would result in millions of tree and plants being grown for the purpose of making packaging.
Companies and businesses dont care about producing less plastic unless we stop buying their products that are wrapped and packaged in it.

It's getting worse

The supermarket meat counters are closing and they're packaging mince and pork chops

All this plastic crap is being shipped out to under resourced countries, half of it burnt

Jeff bezos is posting his crap everywhere too

BanditLuke · 19-02-2020 9:46pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous how much plastic is used for everything to be fair. Fruit and veg dont need to be wrapped and bagged in plastic.
Theres other really good alternatives, recently bought a chocolate bar wrapped in a clear 'plastic' made from wood chippings. I genuinely thought it was real plastic until I read the label, I could literally throw it on the ground or in a compost heap and it would decompose and probably do the soil a bit of good. Theres also a hemp alternative that is really cheap to make. Either of these options, if mass produced, would result in millions of tree and plants being grown for the purpose of making packaging.
Companies and businesses dont care about producing less plastic unless we stop buying their products that are wrapped and packaged in it.

Can you smoke those hemp wrappers? Asking for eh a friend.

risteard7 · 19-02-2020 9:46pm

It's just the cool Hipster trend atm, it'll go away shortly. The same with Veganism

Airyfairy12 · 19-02-2020 9:49pm

BanditLuke wrote: »

Can you smoke those hemp wrappers? Asking for eh a friend.

Try it and get back to me haha

pgj2015 · 19-02-2020 9:51pm

what gets me is the packaging that says not yet recyclable, one well know supermarket has a load of products with this message written on them. like when is it going to be recyclable? its not good enough in this day and age.

Ubbquittious · 19-02-2020 9:52pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous how much plastic is used for everything to be fair. Fruit and veg dont need to be wrapped and bagged in plastic.
Theres other really good alternatives, recently bought a chocolate bar wrapped in a clear 'plastic' made from wood chippings. I genuinely thought it was real plastic until I read the label, I could literally throw it on the ground or in a compost heap and it would decompose and probably do the soil a bit of good. Theres also a hemp alternative that is really cheap to make. Either of these options, if mass produced, would result in millions of tree and plants being grown for the purpose of making packaging.
Companies and businesses dont care about producing less plastic unless we stop buying their products that are wrapped and packaged in it.

Was it 99 or 100% cocao?

Xwebstar2. · 19-02-2020 9:53pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

what gets me is the packaging that says not yet recyclable, one well know supermarket has a load of products with this message written on them. like when is it going to be recyclable? its not good enough in this day and age.

When they're forced to make it recyclable

And when are we all going to take responsibility for all the waste and cut back and stop sending all our crap to Malaysia and other backwaters

Airyfairy12 · 19-02-2020 9:58pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Was it 99 or 100% cocao?

It was 'milk' chocolate but branded as vegan. I dont think thats any reason to dismiss it. Its a really good alternative to plastic. Just goes to show it can be done.

Ubbquittious · 19-02-2020 10:00pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

It was 'milk' chocolate but branded as vegan. I dont think thats any reason to dismiss it. Its a really good alternative to plastic. Just goes to show it can be done.

Think i saw it on a pack of 100% wondering now what yhe brand is and if tis the same stuff

19-02-2020 10:04pm

risteard7 wrote: »

It's just the cool Hipster trend atm, it'll go away shortly. The same with Veganism

You know what will disappear soon? Various species of sealife.

I'm sure you'll have an edgy comment when that happens too.

Airyfairy12 · 19-02-2020 10:05pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Think i saw it on a pack of 100% wondering now what yhe brand is and if tis the same stuff

It was galaxy but im sure different brands are doing it.
it was really nice, id recommend it

Alf Veedersane · 19-02-2020 10:13pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous how much plastic is used for everything to be fair. Fruit and veg dont need to be wrapped and bagged in plastic.
Theres other really good alternatives, recently bought a chocolate bar wrapped in a clear 'plastic' made from wood chippings. I genuinely thought it was real plastic until I read the label, I could literally throw it on the ground or in a compost heap and it would decompose and probably do the soil a bit of good. Theres also a hemp alternative that is really cheap to make. Either of these options, if mass produced, would result in millions of tree and plants being grown for the purpose of making packaging.
Companies and businesses dont care about producing less plastic unless we stop buying their products that are wrapped and packaged in it.

But you won't throw it on the ground but you'll put it in a bin and it will likely be landfilled.

There are a lot of these 'compostable' materials on the market aren't as great as they make out...the time taken to fully decompose. If they end up a composting facility, yeah they can decompose in 3 months. If you drop then on the ground or throw them on a compost heap at home, it will take more than a year.

Biodegradable is largely meaningless.

railer201 · 19-02-2020 10:14pm

Go back to the source - stop manufacturing non-recyclable plastics !

Alf Veedersane · 19-02-2020 10:23pm

The worst example of the nonsense is a hotel café supplying individually-wrapped sugar cubes with a cup of tea or coffee. Madness.

Ubbquittious · 19-02-2020 10:24pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

It was galaxy but im sure different brands are doing it.
it was really nice, id recommend it

Twas this crowd I saw it with first. Looked jist like plastic film

https://vivani.de/en/vivani-en/

Ubbquittious · 19-02-2020 10:25pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But you won't throw it on the ground but you'll put it in a bin and it will likely be landfilled.

There are a lot of these 'compostable' materials on the market aren't as great as they make out...the time taken to fully decompose. If they end up a composting facility, yeah they can decompose in 3 months. If you drop then on the ground or throw them on a compost heap at home, it will take more than a year.

Biodegradable is largely meaningless.

Sure once it isnt 100s of years tis a big improvement. Better still if it doesnt come from crude oil

Lemsiper · 19-02-2020 10:26pm

Get mine in glass bottles.

Airyfairy12 · 19-02-2020 10:26pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But you won't throw it on the ground but you'll put it in a bin and it will likely be landfilled.

There are a lot of these 'compostable' materials on the market aren't as great as they make out...the time taken to fully decompose. If they end up a composting facility, yeah they can decompose in 3 months. If you drop then on the ground or throw them on a compost heap at home, it will take more than a year.

Biodegradable is largely meaningless.

I didnt throw it in the bin and thats not the point.. compared to plastic, which will likely never decompose, 3 months to a year decomposition sounds good to me.

the_pen_turner · 19-02-2020 10:30pm

it would go a long way if the governemnt just banned all unneccisery plastic . make it so you have to justify its use.
i hve no problem using plastic when its required and the best material for its job.
the problem is unneccisery plastic. . everything is wraped several times for no reason.

look at the drinking straw ban. the straw needs to be durable etc and plastic is a good material for that . it is justified to a point using plastic until we can replace it with something better. cardboard or paper that is being use is just a waste . it doesnt do the job and just ends up a soggy mess. . look at the plastic lid you get on a milkshake or sofdrink that lid doesnt need to be plastic. being plastic is way over kill and unnessisery.
we need proper control over all packaging not just ban everything

the biggest problem is that it is the consumer who has to dispose of it but has almost no control over it

Alf Veedersane · 19-02-2020 11:35pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Sure once it isnt 100s of years tis a big improvement. Better still if it doesnt come from crude oil

Yes and no.

Yes, it's better that it isn't produced from crude oil.
No, insofar as they will likely end up in a landfill/incinerator anyway.

Crock Rock · 19-02-2020 11:36pm

Why don't we have a return system for plastic and glass like on most of the mainland?

20c a bottle adds up.

Alf Veedersane · 19-02-2020 11:41pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

I didnt throw it in the bin and thats not the point.. compared to plastic, which will likely never decompose, 3 months to a year decomposition sounds good to me.

The point I was making was that items sold as greener options aren't hugely better in some cases. I have seen materials peddled as compostable but the claims are dubious and is little more than greenwashing.

For example, I don't think cafes should be allowed sell compostable cups or the standard disposable cups. There should be a ban on all of them and they only have reusable cups on sale so you either bring your own or buy a reusable cup.

Rufeo · 19-02-2020 11:46pm

Xwebstar2. wrote: »

I'm cutting back totally on milk

I don't know.... Is there something to be said for recycling?

Thelonious Monk · 19-02-2020 11:48pm

risteard7 wrote: »

It's just the cool Hipster trend atm, it'll go away shortly. The same with Veganism

Should you not be commenting on the Journal you f*cking moron?

AllForIt · 19-02-2020 11:49pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The worst example of the nonsense is a hotel café supplying individually-wrapped sugar cubes with a cup of tea or coffee. Madness.

I would say it's done for hygiene reasons though.

Still waters · 19-02-2020 11:51pm

People can't change if the only thing available to them is plastic, what do you think the ordinary joe/Josephine soap are going to do if they want to stop buying plastic, its virtually impossible to buy a product in the supermarket without some form of packaging, i hate waste but if i need 2 litres of milk, a packet of ham or a sliced pan i have no other option but to buy plastic, change needs to happen at a legislative stage where the government outlaw all unnecessary plastic

Alf Veedersane · 19-02-2020 11:55pm

AllForIt wrote: »

I would say it's done for hygiene reasons though.

All of the bajillion other places without individually wrapped sugar cubes manage just fine though.

smelly sock · 19-02-2020 11:56pm

Alternatives to plastic usually cost more. So fook that

Thelonious Monk · 19-02-2020 11:56pm

Still waters wrote: »

People can't change if the only thing available to them is plastic, what do you think the ordinary joe/Josephine soap are going to do if they want to stop buying plastic, its virtually impossible to buy a product in the supermarket without some form of packaging, i hate waste but if i need 2 litres of milk, a packet of ham or a sliced pan i have no other option but to buy plastic, change needs to happen at a legislative stage where the government outlaw all unnecessary plastic

It's bigger than that though, consumers have to take some responsibility. If we all stopped buying convenience foods and prepared lunches at home etc etc we'd use far less plastic, although some of it is unavoidable.
I think products should have to meet some kind of standards to decide whether they are allowed on the market or not.
Do we need another energy drink in a plastic bottle on the market? Or do we need sliced apples in plastic?
The fact people are encouraged to flood the market with rubbish we don't need is part of the problem.
This won't happen because it goes against economics, but the reality is our lifestyles are about as destructive to the environment as you can get and massive changes would be required to clean up the Earth.

AllForIt · 19-02-2020 11:57pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

All of the bajillion other places without individually wrapped sugar cubes manage just fine though.

The 'hygiene' isn't for the sugar silly lol

Alf Veedersane · 20-02-2020 12:02am

AllForIt wrote: »

The 'hygiene' isn't for the sugar silly lol

I never said it was for anything, silly lol.

I said the places without individually wrapped cubes manage just fine.

Harry Palmr · 20-02-2020 12:04am

Every time I do a blood test I have to open an individually wrapped strip which is made of tinfoil. The strips come in runs of 5 x 10 per pack that 10 is kept together with a very thin plastic sheath which is clearly not recyclable. Oh yes all this is of course packaged inside a cardboard box - so what the feck is the use once plastic for? Why is it there?!

My previous system (now ended) had no such waste.

We seem to be going in the wrong direction despite what we know.

smelly sock · 20-02-2020 12:10am

I buy at least 6 x 500ml bottles of water a day.

Thelonious Monk · 20-02-2020 12:12am

smelly sock wrote: »

I buy at least 6 x 500ml bottles of water a day.

Well done. Maybe find a thread on veganism so you can post mmm bacon etc?

Harry Palmr · 20-02-2020 12:13am

smelly sock wrote: »

I buy at least 6 x 500ml bottles of water a day.

One tap is much cheaper.

smelly sock · 20-02-2020 12:35am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

One tap is much cheaper.

Ah its not breaking the bank. 6 bottles in lodl for 1.30

Harry Palmr · 20-02-2020 12:55am

Why are you buying water at all though?

smelly sock · 20-02-2020 1:01am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Why are you buying water at all though?

To drink. Sparkling water.

Redneck Reject71 · 20-02-2020 1:03am

A lot of plastics that have some sort or coloring can't be recycled for whatever reason. So the facilities need to do more research onto being able to recycle them. And also is weird is the paper straws places like McDonalds offer can't presently be recycled either. That was stated in a company memo.

BillyBird · 20-02-2020 1:21am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

it would go a long way if the governemnt just banned all unneccisery plastic . make it so you have to justify its use.
i hve no problem using plastic when its required and the best material for its job.
the problem is unneccisery plastic. . everything is wraped several times for no reason.

You're talking waste reduction at source. And yes, that's the only way to go, this idea that consumers can deal with this is nonsense, if everything in the supermarket/cafe comes in plastic the consumer has little choice. Recycling is never going to be as good as, for example, just not putting the bananas in a plastic bag in the first place.

It's been floated once already, didn't get the required support, hopefully this term around or, failing that, the EU will save us from ourselves.

Day Lewin · 20-02-2020 1:33am

Bottles and packets are small.

Look around at the amount of plastic that is BIG:
every bit of furniture on a train or bus or aeroplane.
All the flooring.
All the foam and fabric on all those sofas. All the fittings in kitchens and schools.

Look along the shelves at a large hardware store, W00deez or Ykeyea. Look at the cash registers and displays.
The clothing and footwear on every member of every crowd, with only a few scraps of wool, cotton and leather holding out for the sake of renewable and bio-degradable.

We're all doomed.
I've stopped buying stuff. Clothing all second-hand. But I can't stop buying food - not being a farmer, and we have to eat.
And shoes are a problem.

Rally round, boys, this is about to get very serious very soon.

PS I'm not ignoring the small stuff either, though.
When I think of ...
every toothbrush I've ever used.
Every biro and marker and fountain pen.
Every comb, every cigarette lighter....every roll-on deodorant bottle...
all still lying in the dump for centuries to come. Multiply that by the number of citizens in Dublin...
I just shudder.

Always Tired · 20-02-2020 1:37am

Xwebstar2. wrote: »

When they're forced to make it recyclable

And when are we all going to take responsibility for all the waste and cut back and stop sending all our crap to Malaysia and other backwaters

Some fella was on rte tues nite saying the malaysia stuff wasnt ours, we are recycling the vast majority of our plastic, some here, most in other European facilities.

We should still cut back a lot of course.

20-02-2020 1:56am

Day Lewin wrote: »

Bottles and packets are small.

People tend to have an issue with 'single use' plastics, rather than plastic in general.

Ikea making their tills out of plastic seems fine with me, as the till will probably last 10 years of regular use before being binned. The same amount of plastic to make the til is probably being put into the bin beside the till every 20 minutes.

Plastic waste gonemad - everybody do one thing now,!

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