Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

FrancieBrady · 16-04-2019 12:01am

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

considering the video and the picture both show the mound of ash around the cross at the back and the embers on the roof, Id say they are real. There is a stone roof below the wooden roof I believe, with the spire breaking through the stone one in that section at the back I am assuming.

Didn't know it was a stone roof. Great news, in that case.

Vita nova · 16-04-2019 12:02am

Sad to watch it on the news but the French value their cultural heritage and will do whatever is necessary to rebuild the damaged sections as faithfully as possible to the original. Initially the work will be seen as a copy but in a couple of hundred years it'll be seen in the same way as other parts of the cathedral that have been rebuild or changed down the centuries. We're dealing with long timescales here.

I'd say when they rebuild it they'll have a team of workers on fire extinguisher duty especially beside anyone with a blowtorch or an angle grinder.

Danzy · 16-04-2019 12:02am

gozunda wrote: »

Sainte Sulpice - the second largest church in Paris (made famous by Dan Brown) went on fire just last month.

https://www.rt.com/news/456629-french-catholic-churches-attacks/

There has been a lot of attacks recently.

Correlation is not causation.

For Forks Sake · 16-04-2019 12:03am

gozunda wrote: »

Sainte Sulpice - the second largest church in Paris (made famous by Dan Brown in his book the Davinci Code) went on fire just last month.

https://www.rt.com/news/456629-french-catholic-churches-attacks/

What's you point please caller?

also, eew..RT?

SleetAndSnow · 16-04-2019 12:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't know it was a stone roof. Great news, in that case.

Yeah saw somebody say it on twitter, here:
https://twitter.com/whalee_blue/status/1117916021325623297

Also another picture of the stone roof inside,
https://twitter.com/7billionpeoples/status/1117924266081648641

Looks like 2 sections of it was damaged

gozunda · 16-04-2019 12:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't know it was a stone roof. Great news, in that case.

Not a stone roof. A stone barrel vault common in church architecture of that date underneath the wooden and lead roof above.

Strumms · 16-04-2019 12:05am

Danzy wrote: »

There has been a lot of attacks recently.

Correlation is not causation.

I wasn’t aware of the St Sulpice fire, Jesus, hell of a coincidence, basically 5 mins away too.

Manic Moran · 16-04-2019 12:05am

Looks like they got off lucky.

For Forks Sake wrote: »

What's the French for shade? Even posted in english for Trumpy

https://twitter.com/SecCivileFrance/status/1117874924268376064

The French don't seem to have any suitable helicopters, looking at the list of Securite Civile inventory. They have fixed wing bombers which are certainly inappropriate.

There is a medium in between the SC's Ecureils and EC-145s which have basically no firefighting ability at all, and their fixed-wing water-bomber fleet, examples include Los Angeles' vetical drop Firehawks or Tokyo Fire Dept's cannon-equipped EC-225s. SC doesn't have that medium.

So, yes, the SC are correct to not be using their water bomber fleet. But as a major city with a number of buildings which ladder trucks can't get to, are they correct not to be having the middle ground, or is it just a budget thing? The reason FDNY had their firefighter helicopter request denied was simple dollars, not because it was a bad idea.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 12:06am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

What's you point please caller?
also, eew..RT?

None. Theres many sources for news on the Sainte Suplice fire. I took the first one on Google. It happened. Btw RT clearly calls this out plus current fire was likley accidental.

You got a problem with news? Why?

Danzy · 16-04-2019 12:06am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

What's you point please caller?

also, eew..RT?

So you are pretending there was no fire there?

tinyk68 · 16-04-2019 12:06am

I've seen a lot of smart alec posts here tonight from people who've never been to notre dame. I was lucky enough to visit there in 2007. It was a majestic building. I remember vividly the hushed and spiritual atmosphere. I also remember the beautiful timber work near the main altar where the choir would have sat. It was carved with the stations of the cross and beautifully painted and gilded. I also climbed the bell tower and looked down at the roof that no longer exists. The flying buttresses were peopled with statues of the apostles, each one individually carved. I'm not religious but I was awed by the skill of the people who created these works. This is a tragedy and anyone who says otherwise has no appreciation of the beauty that exists in history. I'm so glad I saw it and so very sad at its fate.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 12:07am

Danzy wrote: »

There has been a lot of attacks recently.

Correlation is not causation.

Did anyone say it was????

Chesty08 · 16-04-2019 12:08am

It’s too much of a coincidence for Notre Dame to go up in flames during ‘renovations’ and at this particular time

Danzy · 16-04-2019 12:12am

gozunda wrote: »

Did anyone say it was????

Me, you quoted it.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 12:14am

tinyk68 wrote: »

I've seen a lot of smart alec posts here tonight from people who've never been to notre dame. I was lucky enough to visit there in 2007. It was a majestic building. I remember vividly the hushed and spiritual atmosphere. I also remember the beautiful timber work near the main altar where the choir would have sat. It was carved with the stations of the cross and beautifully painted and gilded. I also climbed the bell tower and looked down at the roof that no longer exists. The flying buttresses were peopled with statues of the apostles, each one individually carved. I'm not religious but I was awed by the skill of the people who created these works. This is a tragedy and anyone who says otherwise has no appreciation of the beauty that exists in history. I'm so glad I saw it and so very sad at its fate.

I've been there and visited it several times including a first in the early 1980s when the tour included both towers and part of the roof structure. The second time I was there - this tour was not available. For the number one cathedral in Paris - I thought the interior quite underwhelming tbh. The stonework however was among some of the best I've seen imo.

Laois_Man · 16-04-2019 12:16am

A small Allahu Akbar gang knocked a bit of craic out of it anyway

Suckit · 16-04-2019 12:16am

Sardonicat wrote: »

Have you any source for this?

https://streamable.com/q2297

gozunda · 16-04-2019 12:18am

Danzy wrote: »

Me, you quoted it.

Lol. My dear - you are drunk. Btw in the first instance you quoted my initial post.

See:
https://i.imgflip.com/2yoayv.jpg

Augme · 16-04-2019 12:22am

Laois_Man wrote: »

A small Allahu Akbar gang knocked a bit of craic out of it anyway

That's about as real as the tooth fairy.

16-04-2019 12:22am

gctest50 wrote: »

Just rain it down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy5w4Xg8U7Q

I think that's from a videogame or a film. Obviously if you did that in real life you'd explode the building and kill everyone in a 500meter radius :rolleyes:

riffmongous · 16-04-2019 12:24am

Laois_Man wrote: »

A small Allahu Akbar gang knocked a bit of craic out of it anyway

Clear fake, the voices are the very same as any 'unexpected jihad' meme from years ago. Are people really so naive??

gozunda · 16-04-2019 12:28am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think that's from a videogame or a film. Obviously if you did that in real life you'd explode the building and kill everyone in a 500meter radius :rolleyes:

No afaik- water drops are indeed sometimes used to fight building fires. By the time the water hits the fire it falls as droplets not a solid weight.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_Tower#Construction

Also interesting artice here:

We need to fill the critical gaps in our response, particularly in specific capacities such as planes.” He went on: “It is not by coincidence that President Macron has called for a European Civil Protection Force. First, we must increase our collective capacity to respond, second to simplify and streamline the procedures and third we must have stronger links between national capacities and the deployment of assets at a European level

https://www.aerosociety.com/news/aerial-firefighters/

kowloon · 16-04-2019 12:31am

Laois_Man wrote: »

A small Allahu Akbar gang knocked a bit of craic out of it anyway

Do you honestly believe that's the original audio?

greencap · 16-04-2019 12:32am

riffmongous wrote: »

Clear fake, the voices are the very same as any 'unexpected jihad' meme from years ago. Are people really so naive??

****ing funny though. I lol'd.

WinnyThePoo · 16-04-2019 12:33am

greencap wrote: »

riffmongous wrote: »

Clear fake, the voices are the very same as any 'unexpected jihad' meme from years ago. Are people really so naive??

****ing funny though. I lol'd.

Go you!

Overheal · 16-04-2019 12:35am

riffmongous wrote: »

Clear fake, the voices are the very same as any 'unexpected jihad' meme from years ago. Are people really so naive??

Do you have to ask.

kowloon · 16-04-2019 12:37am

Overheal wrote: »

Do you have to ask.

A combination of being stupid and wanting it to be real, I expect.

Ave Sodalis · 16-04-2019 12:40am

Genuinely the first time I've ever reported a video on Youtube. That's just plain dangerous and innocent people could get hurt by those who believe it's real.

BorneTobyWilde · 16-04-2019 12:43am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUVKcVSpg44

An insight as to its disrepair.

kowloon · 16-04-2019 12:44am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Genuinely the first time I've ever reported a video on Youtube. That's just plain dangerous and innocent people could get hurt by those who believe it's real.

Plenty of people hoping for just that, look at the number of low post accounts that set up on Boards to spout divisive BS like they need to create the conditions for some sort of reckoning.

riffmongous · 16-04-2019 12:56am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Genuinely the first time I've ever reported a video on Youtube. That's just plain dangerous and innocent people could get hurt by those who believe it's real.

At least it's a good example of the fake crap that's going around to push an agenda

rossie1977 · 16-04-2019 12:58am

Looking at photos seems the interior mostly survived which is amazing considering the ferocity of the fire.

In comparison Longford cathedral was completely gutted inside with the 1,100 degree celsius heat melting the marble columns

riffmongous · 16-04-2019 12:59am

Overheal wrote: »

Do you have to ask.

It would be easier to understand if people were just pretending it's real to push their agenda, that any one is stupid enough to believe that's real or funny is tough

gozunda · 16-04-2019 1:05am

Wow ..

this:

WinnyThePoo · 16-04-2019 1:14am

gozunda wrote: »

Wow ..

this:

Ah Phillip karsenty. Of course fox would interview him.

gozunda · 16-04-2019 1:15am

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Ah Phillip karsenty. Of course fox would interview him.

And they shut him up!

Fox!

riffmongous · 16-04-2019 1:16am

gozunda wrote: »

Wow ..

this:

Check the name of the speaker, google who he is and tell us something about him, what he might be famous for

I already did btw

BorneTobyWilde · 16-04-2019 1:17am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Looking at photos seems the interior mostly survived which is amazing considering the ferocity of the fire.

In comparison Longford cathedral was completely gutted inside with the 1,100 degree celsius heat melting the marble columns

The scaffolding created a would be grate for the roof, it burned so rich with all the air doing through it that the inside of the Cathedral had very little debris.

Ave Sodalis · 16-04-2019 1:18am

gozunda wrote: »

Wow ..

this:

I'm not sure Philippe Karsenty is an accurate source of information.

brooke 2 · 16-04-2019 1:21am

gozunda wrote: »

Wow ..

this:

Well done, Shep! I doubt Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro would have shut him up!!

gozunda · 16-04-2019 1:24am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Looking at photos seems the interior mostly survived which is amazing considering the ferocity of the fire.

In comparison Longford cathedral was completely gutted inside with the 1,100 degree celsius heat melting the marble columns

This:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/born-again-st-mel-s-cathedral-restored-to-longford-for-christmas-1.2035687

gozunda · 16-04-2019 1:25am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I'm not sure Philippe Karsenty is an accurate source of information.

And that's not what I said...

gctest50 · 16-04-2019 1:25am

gozunda wrote: »

This:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/born-again-st-mel-s-cathedral-restored-to-longford-for-christmas-1.2035687

30 million insurance payout and it was to go again

Tis strange Notre Dame burned the day no workers were there and all the copper statues were removed from the roof - works in mysterious ways n stuff

gozunda · 16-04-2019 1:26am

riffmongous wrote: »

Check the name of the speaker, google who he is and tell us something about him, what he might be famous for

I know who he is btw. Thanks ....

riffmongous · 16-04-2019 1:31am

gozunda wrote: »

Presume much?

I know who he is btw. Thanks ....

Sorry if I got you wrong, just a lot of agenda stuff tonight it's hard to tell

oceanclub · 16-04-2019 1:35am

Laois_Man wrote: »

A small Allahu Akbar gang knocked a bit of craic out of it anyway

Oh for god's sake this is an obvious hoax.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/notre-dame-hoaxes?fbclid=IwAR0ZhyuOOEXxrVs1i93af1Im5rr0e3xkQrsCiEE9kmTVTUYM6O19rOgvH1I

"Multiple versions of this hoax video spread across social media after the fire. However, a Google search for "allahu akbar shouting" returns an old video which includes the same audio used in Monday's Notre Dame footage."

P.

Twenty Grand · 16-04-2019 1:38am

gctest50 wrote: »

30 million insurance payout and it was to go again

Tis strange Notre Dame burned the day no workers were there and all the copper statues were removed from the roof - works in mysterious ways n stuff

Conspiracy theories already? :rolleyes:

I'm sure there were hundreds of other treasures in the cathedral that just went up in smoke.

Carry · 16-04-2019 1:51am

At least the first donations for rebuilding Notre-Dame are coming in.
Pinault, one of the richest men in France, already promised 100 million Euros.

The Fondation du patrimoine (French heritage foundation) set up an international donation account: https://twitter.com/fond_patrimoine
https://don.fondation-patrimoine.org/SauvonsNotreDame/~mon-don

There will be European money, of course, it's after all not only a World Heritage Site but a European symbol like no other. There seems to be already talk in Germany to set up a fund.

I'm sure money won't be a problem to rebuilt this jewel eventually. And trust the French that they won't allow it to be an "investor's project".

I dare to dream that this disaster might bring a torn nation together again. Always the optimist....

Ave Sodalis · 16-04-2019 1:51am

gozunda wrote:

And that's not what I said...

You didn't say anything?

gozunda · 16-04-2019 1:58am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

You didn't say anything?

Exactly. Except to make an exclamation of the interview by Fox!

You seemed to interpret that as somehow voting for the interviewee!

Ave Sodalis wrote:

I 'm not sure Philippe Karsenty is an accurate source of information.

Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

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