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It is 1987 and KD 351 is seen between duties at Phibsborough Garage. The livery on the bus is worth noting. Four months earlier saw the creation of Dublin Bus, who based their livery on the two-tone green CIE used on the Bombardiers, but added the orange line. Therefore KD 351 is in Dublin Bus livery, but with the CIE logo being used instead of the Dublin Bus logo. In some ways this bus is wearing a transitional livery.
KD 351 was delivered new to CIE and Phibsborough Garage in 1983 and survived in service until the late 1990s.
The location of Phibsborough Garage is interesting, In the background can be seen the former railway terminus of Broadstone. When the railway line shut it was taken over by CIE provincial services which became Bus Eireann in 1987. The Dublin city services had a garage beside Broadstone which was called Phibsborough Garage, which transferred to Dublin Bus. In the early 2000s Dublin Bus took over part of Broadstone, creating a new garage called Broadstone. Basically, three garages operated by two bus operators on one site that was formerly a railway station and yard. 20/06/1987
Throwback Thursday (180) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr
Several buses wore the CIE logo (or no logo at all) after the formation of DB when the orange stripe was added instead of the DB logo as the DB logo (the second one might I add) was not finalised until sometime after DB was set up.
Most believe the castle logo (slightly modified over the years) is the first and only logo of DB, it is in fact their second logo (designed in a staff competition). The current Castle logo was first applied to buses from around the 18th June 1987 and officially launched on the 21st June 1987 - the day after your photo Csalem. Here's the RTE report from the day:-
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2017/0612/882156-dublin-bus-new-logo/
There was an earlier logo which only lasted a short time (March to June 1987) and was only applied to around 8 or 9 buses before being discontinued.
It's interesting to note that Bombardier designed the original two tone green livery as opposed to CIE (KD1 was delivered in the tan livery, but KD2 onwards had the two tone green), this livery was to distinguish CIEs Dublin Operations identity from the rest of the country, though they did find their way to Cork, Limerick etc. This livery was also used for the DART and even after IE was set up it remained and it's colour scheme is the basis for the current DART livery.0 -
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BonnieSituation wrote: »I love and have loved the DB logo. It's up there with the original An Post logo and the TE Telecom Éireann logo for me as quality Irish graphic design.
But i never knew there was another DB logo. I assumed it had just gone from CIÉ to the current castle.
Do you have any pictures? Description?
I have not seen it in years and a quick Google search reveals no results, but from what I remember it was big black "Bus" or "BUS" letters with "Atha Cliath" under part of it and several "DUBLIN"s in various shades to the left of it vertically.
It was professionally designed but DB management were very unhappy with the plain uninspiring look and wanted something more iconic and a member of staff designed the Castle logo as part of a staff wide competition.
Edit: Found it (photos by J. Mc.Donnell):-
KD1 with the logo:-
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I have not seen it in years and a quick Google search reveals no results, but from what I remember it was big black "Bus" or "BUS" letters with "Atha Cliath" under part of it and several "DUBLIN"s in various shades to the left of it vertically.
It was professionally designed but DB management were very unhappy with the plain uninspiring look and wanted something more iconic and a member of staff designed the Castle logo as part of a staff wide competition.
Edit: Found it (photos by J. Mc.Donnell):-
KD1 with the logo:-
Learning stuff like this is what makes this thread the best thing that's ever been on Boards
It was a good call for DB to swap out that logo with something from a staff competition. It kind of goes to show that someone with some paper and a bit of imagination can sometimes do a much better job than (often overpaid) brand marketers
That BUS logo is interesting. It smacks of the 80's, but the font used makes it very DB-ish (I guess that's the font they did end up using for all of the text)
But it certainly pales in comparison to the DB Castle logo. Slap that logo onto a metal lollypop, and you just knew it was a Bus Stop. No further directions were needed 0 -
I have not seen it in years and a quick Google search reveals no results, but from what I remember it was big black "Bus" or "BUS" letters with "Atha Cliath" under part of it and several "DUBLIN"s in various shades to the left of it vertically.
It was professionally designed but DB management were very unhappy with the plain uninspiring look and wanted something more iconic and a member of staff designed the Castle logo as part of a staff wide competition.
Edit: Found it (photos by J. Mc.Donnell):-
KD1 with the logo:-
It certainly is a good logo alright but mind you I do prefer the older versions in particular the original to the current yellow and black font. Always thought it was a pity though the logo was only for DB and not part of greater transport brand across the Dublin Area to include all urban buses, DART, Luas and any future metro system in a similar manner to the TFL roundel.0 -
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BonnieSituation wrote: »Amazing!
I was thinking you might have when I posted but I honestly assumed as a bus spotter it was obvious to ya.
And now you can never unsee it.
But take the db out of it and still a castle....
I loved the 87 castle I nearly sure it was ..... Some sort of celebration but can't think..0 -
BonnieSituation wrote: »Amazing!
I was thinking you might have when I posted but I honestly assumed as a bus spotter it was obvious to ya.
And now you can never unsee it.
Ah I wouldn't consider myself quite a bus spotter now just someone who has an interest in public transport in general mostly buses but also trains and trams. I don't take pictures or write down numbers or anything like that and use public transport merely as a means of travel and not a source of entertainment but I do enjoy looking at the pictures of buses particularly older ones.
Maybe it's to do with the fact the DB logo usually only seen in small print such as on a timetable for example or from a distance on a bus stop or on a bus. Never really in big bold writing as you would see on a supermarket for example but still instantly recognisable0 -
punisher5112 wrote: »But take the db out of it and still a castle....
I loved the 87 castle I nearly sure it was ..... Some sort of celebration but can't think..
We you thinking of the Millennium 88 logo?0 -
I'm not sure how I missed that
I think I managed the miss that for the guts of 30 years.
I was born in the 80's and I had always recognised the Dublin Bus logo as just some strange castle-like symbol that somehow meant "bus". I feel that it is the sign of a good logo / symbol if the meaning can reasonate to even my 3-year old self, who apparently knew instantly that the DB symbol = "Busses!!"
But embarreslingly, only in the last couple of years did I ever notice the lowercase "d" and "b", which have been cleverly built into the logo.0 -
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RH 3 makes a stop on St. Stephen's Green as it operates a service on route 10 in June 1990. This bus had been delivered new to Dublin Bus three months earlier and had only gone into service in May. The Olympians were the first new double-deckers ordered by Dublin Bus. Deliveries started with the RHs in 1990 and concluded with the last RVs in 1999, with some RAs in between. In total Dublin Bus received 640 Olympians over that decade, allowing for the withdrawal of the Atlanteans and VanHools, and most of the Bombardier KDs. RH 3 had a long life with Dublin Bus, lasting about 25 years as it spent the last decade or so of its career as an open-top tour bus.
RH 3 is seen here in its as-delivered Wedding Bus livery. This was an initiative of Dublin Bus were people could hire a bus to transport their wedding guests. The last two vehicles in Wedding Bus livery were VG 9 and 10, and both were repainted into standard livery in 2017. The first bus was KD 366 in 1989.
Route 10 was one of the more famous bus routes in Dublin, connecting University College Dublin. The cross-city route on the southside with the Phoenix Park on the northside. It was removed from the network in 2010 through the Network Direct review of the network. 27/06/1990
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In 2015 AV 390 winds its way through the Luas Cross City works on Nassau Street as it operates a 46A to Dun Laoghaire. Behind the bus is Suffolk Street. This was once one of the main bus corridors in the city, with buses coming down Dawson Street, turning left into Nassau Street and on into Suffolk Street and College Green, before continuing north across the city. The Luas Cross City works brought an end to that with the tram line being extended from St. Stephens Green, down Dawson Street and into Nassau Street, Grafton Street and College Green before heading across the River Liffey. Bus routes were diverted, with some like the 14, 15/A/B and 140 using George's Street in both directions, and others like the 39/A, 46A, 145 being sent via Westland Row and Pearse Street when heading northbound. (These are just some of the routes diverted - there are far too many to list here). When the Luas works were completed, and prior to the trams starting, the 11, 38's and 46's were allowed to use Nassau Street and Grafton Street in both directions again from October 2017. Suffolk Street has effectively become pedestrianised, with an official trial for such commencing in early 2019.
AV 390 was delivered new to Dublin Bus in 2004. It was withdrawn in late-2018 and sold to James's Coaches in Celbridge.
03/07/2015
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It is summer 1987 and that can only mean one thing - the Slane concert. Slane is a small village in Meath located where the road from Dublin to Monaghan (N2) meets the road from Drogheda to Navan (N51). It is well outside the Dublin Bus area. However in 1981 open-air concerts started to be held in the grounds of Slane Castle and the double-deckers from Dublin were ideal to transport the crowds from Dublin to Slane. Up until the 2000s the shuttle buses lined-up on O'Connell Street. When the street was renovated a lane of traffic was lost and the buses had to move to Parnell Square. In 2019 the buses operated by Dublin Bus went from Western Way. In recent years, private operators have run their own shuttle services, but when it was predominately Dublin Bus around 200 buses could be involved, if not more. This brought an unusual sight to the roads of Meath where all of these buses would line-up along the road at Slane to bring everyone home at night after the concert. In 1987 it was headlined by David Bowie. It was the last concert held there until 1992.
KD 217 is seen at the head of the Slane line up on O'Connell Street. It was delivered new to Phibsborough Garage around 1983 and was scrapped in the 1990s. 11 07 1987
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It is 1999 and a decade, century and a millennium is coming towards an end. And so is a bus livery. RV 326 is seen parked on Burgh Quay between duties on the 14A. It and RV 327 were the last buses delivered new in the two-tone green livery of Dublin Bus in 1997. This livery was introduced in 1987 and started to be replaced in the mid-1990s with a new cream/blue "core" livery. The VLs were the first buses delivered in a new, and unique, standard livery in 1997 ( but not the final one that was chosen). RV 326 was one of five new buses allocated to the 14A when delivered. RV 327 as mentioned was in two-tone green, RV 328 and RV 329 were in Wedding Bus livery and RV 330 was in Coastal Tours livery.
RV 326 also has the distinction of being the first RV delivered to Dublin Bus, and thus the first Volvo Olympian. The last one to be delivered was RV 640. Being the first, RV 326 received marker-lights above the upper-deck windscreen, something the rest of the 1997 deliveries did not get.
The 14A was a variation of the 14, and connected the City Centre with Ballinteer via Dartry while the 14 served Rathgar. Under Network Direct the 14A was absorbed into the 14, the Dartry routing was dropped, buses went via Ballinteer to Dundrum and was extended on the northside to Ardlea Road.
Finally, the bus is parked beside the building of the Irish Press which was a newspaper published between 1931 and 1995. Burgh Quay, 18/07/1999
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It is 1998 and RH 159 is seen on Abbey Street between duties on the 37. This bus was already five years old when the picture was taken and lasted in service with Dublin Bus until 2006. It then went on to continue its career in the UK. The bus was delivered in two-tone Dublin Bus green but received this wrap in 1998 to celebrate 100 years of Esso (ExxonMobil) in Ireland. The bus was still in a wrap for Esso in 2003 but ended its days in Dublin Bus core-livery of blue and cream.
Esso service stations only lasted a little longer with Topaz taking over the final ones in 2014/15.
The 37 route connected the City Centre with Castleknock and Carpenterstown. Its terminus in 1998 was on Abbey Street but Luas works saw tramlines laid along this part of the road in the early-2000s so the 37 had to move to the southside around Hawkins Street and Corn Market Exchange. Under Network Direct it moved to Wilton Terrace off Baggot Street and was extended to Blanchardstown Shopping Centre in 2011. 26/07/1998
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BonnieSituation wrote: »Was the 37 terminus not up at Middle Abbey St with the 39? Or was it just here waiting to move up the street?
I would never have gotten that bus back then so wouldn't have been too familiar if it was on Lower Abbey St. But would think it was odd that it and the 39 weren't beside each other.
In the 1990s I only remember the 37s departing from Lower Abbey Street. The buses used to park at this end and depart from close to the Abbey Theatre, as seen here:
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It is the first day of August 1999 and the 47B, along with the 47 and 47A, has only 6 weeks of existence left. RH 91 is seen at the terminus on Grange Road which the route shared with the 16. The 47 group of routes connected the City Centre with Whitechurch, Tibradden and Rockbrook, though not necessarily the most direct way. The 47B for example served Leinster Road and Zion Road in Rathmines and Rathgar. Eventually the routes were replaced by the 15C, 116 and 161 in the suburbs, though the 47 number did reappear in the early 2000s on a very different routing. The final day of the 47/A/B was the 11th September 1999. The 16 was also subsequently extended from this terminus along Grange Road to Kingtston in Ballinteer.
RH 91 was delivered new to Dublin Bus, appropriately, in 1991. It was withdrawn in 2006 and is currently preserved, in the livery as seen here, although the orange line above the top deck is complete.
The ad on the side of the bus by Aer Rianta states "The spirit of Duty Free lives on". This was the first day of no Duty Free across the European Union, it having ended at midnight on the 30th June 1999. The concept of Duty Free had begun in Shannon Airport in 1947, and spread across the world. Its abolition was expected to lead to increased travel costs...
Grange Road 01/08/1999
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In the 1990s I only remember the 37s departing from Lower Abbey Street. The buses used to park at this end and depart from close to the Abbey Theatre, as seen here:Throwback Thursday (51) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr
Great picture of the 22B there .
If memory serves me correct, that route was never one party operated.0 -
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It is 1999 and a next evolution of double-deck bus for Dublin is about to arrive. DA 2, or 99 D 53451, was a DAF Alexander bus on loan to Dublin Bus from London, along with similar DA 1. It was being evaluated along with other types of low-floor double-decker buses. Up to this point the only low-floor buses within the Dublin Bus fleet were either minibuses (W Class) or the midi-buses (WV Class), the latter of which only started to arrive in 1999. In 1999 Dublin Bus received its 640th and last Olympian. From the following year it started to get Alexander ALX400 bodied buses like DA2 here, but with Volvo engines. In 2012 the entire Dublin Bus double-decker fleet became low floor, improving accessibility across the city for wheelchair users, people with prams and everyone else. DA 2 along with DA1 were with Dublin Bus for approximately the last six months of 1999. They then returned to London and ended their days with Arriva as DLA 124 (DA 2) and DLA 125 (DA1). This bus was withdrawn prior to 2014.
It is seen in Dun Laoghaire on the 46A from the city centre. 08/08/1999
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It is 1992 and KD 109 is "Proud Bean Irish". The bus is seen parked on Cathal Brugha Street , between operating services on the 51A. This route was one of a number of oddities within the Dublin Bus network. Every other route in the 51 series served the area around Clondalkin in one way or another. The 51A connected the City Centre with Beaumont Hospital via Ballybough, Drumcondra and Grace Park Road. It was one of the few routes operated by Clontarf Garage to travel down O'Connell Street on its outbound workings. In its latter years it terminated on Abbey Street. Also towards the end the route was operated by Harristown and Clontarf garages. It was removed from the network in April 2009. This meant that Clonliffe Road, parts of Griffith Avenue, and Grace Park Road lost their bus services. However towards the end the 51A operated on an infrequent basis, mainly running in the peaks. The 27B continues to serve Beaumont Hospital to/from the City Centre.
KD 109 was delivered new to Dublin around 1981/1982 and spent all of its working life in Clontarf Garage. 15/08/1992
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A trip back twenty-one years this week to 1998. KD 128 is seen on Middle Abbey Street at the terminus of route 25. This route, like a lot of lot of Dublin bus routes, can trace its origins back to the era of the tram. The tram route connected Lucan village with the city centre at Bachelor's Walk, going via Chapelizod. With the demise of the tram in the middle of the Twentieth Century the bus took over. The route was subsequently extended to the Dodsboro to the west of Lucan village. The 25 route has decreased in importance over the years. In 1996 the 25A, which served the newer housing developments in Lucan, became a CitySwift route with a high frequency of services provided. One of the new single-deckers bought for this conversion can be seen behind KD 128. Today the 25, along with the 25A and 25B, terminate on the southside in Merrion Square.
KD 128 was delivered new to Dublin around 1981/1982. This bus withdrawn by mid-1999 and the last KD was withdrawn in 2000.
Neither Chapters Music Store, nor the book store that was across the road, are still on Abbey Street. Rather a combined shop is on Parnell Street. In front of the bus is a Telecom Eireann van, a year before the company was privatised. 22/08/1998
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it is a trip back twenty-five years this week to 1994. KD 172 is seen at Blackrock Station with a 114. The destination displays are slightly confusing as it is showing Sandyford Industrial Estate as the main destination, and "Via Airport" below it. The "via" routing is definitely wrong, and the main destination is partially accurate but should probably be in the "via" part.
The 114 was introduced in 1987 as a DART Feeder service and ran from Blackrock to Kilcross via Sandyford Industrial Estate. A number of other Feeder services were introduced over the years such as the 113 and 115, but the 114 is the only one to survive. In 2006 the route was extended to Ticknock Hill. In January 2019 it was transferred to Go-Ahead Ireland as part of it winning the tender to operate some of the orbital/peripheral routes in the city.
The terminus in Blackrock is also currently home to the 17 and the 46E. The latter is the only Dublin Bus route to operate from here (the 17 also being operated by Go-Ahead Ireland), and only has two departures a day, Monday to Friday.
KD 172 was delivered new around 1981/82 to Donnybrook Garage and remained there all its life, being withdrawn from service in the latter-half of the 1990s.
27/08/1994
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I have often wondered what those black back lit signs were for which were retrofitted to many KDs, D/DFs (Van-Hool Leyland Atlanteen's, not the original Ds) and some KCs.
They looked similar to the original internal Stopping signs which started being fitted to busses.
Something tells me (perhaps seeing one up close or reading about them) that they were meant to be "Bus Full" signs, but I'm not sure and never saw one actually in use.
The D/DFs were unusual in that most that were fitted actually had two on the front on each level although some only had one at the lower level.0 -
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