NBA Offseason Thread 2013-2014

For Forks Sake · 02-07-2013 10:29pm

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Not Sure Evans will be the starting SG for long with McLemore around

STOP. PLEASE STOP.

padraig_f · 02-07-2013 11:09pm

NufcNavan wrote: »

Dunleavy sucks on D. I watched him play for the Pacers. Poor attitude aswell.

I was probably wrong to say he was a good defender, but equally "sucks" is probably overstating it.

John Hollinger player profiles 2012/13:

Defensively, Dunleavy also had renewed juice. He's not a gambler, finishing in the bottom 10 at his spot in both blocks and steals per minute, but opposing small forwards had just a 10.1 PER against him according to 82games.com and the Bucks gave up 5.6 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. While the Bucks monitored his matchups and rarely let him within hailing distance of an elite scorer, he has shown he can defend the 3 position competently.

Basketball Prospectus 2012/13:

On defense, Dunleavy doesn’t have the best reputation, posting poor numbers in all the counting stats and ranking low in the play-by-play metrics. Yet the Bucks’ Defensive Rating was 5.7 points better with him on the floor, so while that may say more about Carlos Delfino, it’s apparent that Dunleavy wasn’t killing them at that end.

I found this as well, from when he was playing with the Pacers, so maybe this is what you saw.

Hollinger player profiles 2011/12:

Playing out of position at shooting guard for much of the season, Dunleavy often found himself in impossible defensive predicaments; he's challenged enough keeping up with small forwards, but fleet shooting guards treated him as a traffic cone. Nonetheless, his heady team defense helped make him a solid performer overall defensively; he just can't be asked to check talented wings by himself. Dunleavy takes charges by the bushel and reads opposing plays as well as anyone in the league, plus his improved rates of blocks and rebounds are indicators that his balky knee was feeling a lot better.

As long as he plays ok defensively within a system (which seems to be the case), that's fine. He's a $3m/year guy who shoots 40% from 3, you're not asking for the world.

For Forks Sake · 02-07-2013 11:31pm

Eric Bledsoe gone to Phoenix, did not see that one coming

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1675438-eric-bledsoe-dealt-to-phoenix-suns-in-reported-3-team-deal-with-milwaukee-bucks

Dublin Red Devil · 03-07-2013 1:45am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Eric Bledsoe gone to Phoenix, did not see that one coming

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1675438-eric-bledsoe-dealt-to-phoenix-suns-in-reported-3-team-deal-with-milwaukee-bucks

Clippers gain a little there. Reddick is a little more solid than Bledsoe right now.

Its a nothing trade really, Not going to make any waves in the NBA. But lesser teams won't want to next season. If you're not a playoff contender you don't want to play yourself down the Draft order

Nuri Sahin · 03-07-2013 1:49am

Shocked Bledsoe went there.

Amyway, Kevin Martin has joined the Timberwolves and will earn near $8M a year..
Guess Lamb and Jones III will see far more action next season for OKC.

Talk of AK47 to Spurs as well.

Dublin Red Devil · 03-07-2013 2:06am

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Shocked Bledsoe went there.

Amyway, Kevin Martin has joined the Timberwolves and will earn near $8M a year..
Guess Lamb and Jones III will see far more action next season for OKC.

Talk of AK47 to Spurs as well.

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Just when you thought the Harden trade couldn't look any worse."OKC you should have paid the man"

This is good for the T wolves.

Carcharodon · 03-07-2013 5:00am

padraig_f wrote: »

Bulls use the MMLE to sign Mike Dunleavy Jr. for $3m/year over the next two years. As they're in the luxury tax, this was the most they could spend on a free-agent without doing a trade. Not gonna get someone super-exciting for that price, but looks a solid pickup.

I'm going mainly on stats/reports because I don't know his game that well, but they look pretty good. Career 37% from 3, over 40%+ over the last 3 years. 8th highest 3P% in the NBA last year at 42.8%, and 8th among SGs in TS%, at 57%.

Solid ball-handler, good assist-to-turnover ratio, good defender by all accounts.

Can play 2 or 3. While Jimmy and Deng can both shoot the 3, neither is a 40% shooter, so think it's useful to have someone like that to stretch the floor, and play either position.

Age 32, but doesn't sound like a guy who relied on athleticism that much, so should be ok as long as he stays healthy. For a guy coming off the bench, I think that should be fine.

BullsBlogger: Bulls sign Mike Dunleavy: reported 2-year deal for swingman

Mike Prada: Mike Dunleavy agrees to terms with Bulls, giving Chicago an underrated bench piece

I watched him play for Warriors for a long time, pretty solid player and Thibs will do a good job utilizing him, could come in handy for the playoffs

ButtersSuki · 03-07-2013 6:10am

Carcharodon wrote: »

I watched him play for Warriors for a long time, pretty solid player and Thibs will do a good job utilizing him, could come in handy for the playoffs

Tru dat. Thibs is the perfect coach to maximise what audible any has to offer on both ends of the court. And he can shoot which will space the floor. Seems like a good fit to me.

Surprised on the Bledsoe trade. Despite his stats, the Clippers seemed determined to get rid of him - wonder what the real issue is? Not sure how much Reddick helps though if I'm honest.

Dublin Red Devil · 03-07-2013 10:08pm

After the Denver Nuggets expressed an unwillingness to match the Sacramento Kings' $14 million-a-year proposal to free-agent forward Andre Iguodala, Iguodala's reluctance to immediately accept the four-year, $56 million offer caused the Kings to withdraw the deal late Tuesday, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. With no major offers elsewhere, Iguodala could return to talks with the Nuggets on a five-year contract extension. Denver wants to keep Iguodala as part of its core, but has shown restraint in formulating potentially salary-cap crippling offers to re-sign him to a long-term deal, sources said. Yahoo

Dublin Red Devil · 03-07-2013 10:11pm

The Memphis Grizzlies have re-signed Tony Allen to a four-year contract worth $20 million

Dublin Red Devil · 03-07-2013 10:13pm

As an Indiana Pacers fan I'm delighted that David West has agreed to a three-year contract with Indiana on the second day of free agency, The deal is reportedly worth $36 million.

killwill · 03-07-2013 10:44pm

Brad Stevens, previously of the Butler Bulldogs, is the new Celtics coach.

ButtersSuki · 03-07-2013 10:49pm

killwill wrote: »

Brad Stevens, previously of the Butler Bulldogs, is the new Celtics coach.

Wow, that's outta left-field! Good coach but that's a big jump. Jay Larranaga must be pissed.

killwill · 03-07-2013 10:52pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Wow, that's outta left-field! Good coach but that's a big jump. Jay Larranaga must be pissed.

Huge stepup and with all the changes to the roster i fear too much of a stepup.

I thought Larranaga had the job.

ButtersSuki · 03-07-2013 11:00pm

killwill wrote: »

Huge stepup and with all the changes to the roster i fear too much of a stepup.

I thought Larranaga had the job.

So did everyone. Adds fuel to the tanking talk - throw in a very young coach with zero NBA experience to a team where a meglomaniac like Rondo is going to run the team on court with very little talent around him and next year will be ahem.....interesting. I say all of this as a C's fan!!!

padraig_f · 03-07-2013 11:01pm

killwill wrote: »

Brad Stevens, previously of the Butler Bulldogs, is the new Celtics coach.

Just looking at his Wikipedia page, I think it's a great hire for where they are. Talented young coach, you couldn't put him in charge of a contending team with his lack of pro experience, but he can learn that over the next couple of years, when it doesn't matter if they win or not. In two or three years time, you could have a great young coach who's now got experience. If it doesn't work out, you haven't really lost anything.

killwill · 03-07-2013 11:24pm

padraig_f wrote: »

Just looking at his Wikipedia page, I think it's a great hire for where they are. Talented young coach, you couldn't put him in charge of a contending team with his lack of pro experience, but he can learn that over the next couple of years, when it doesn't matter if they win or not. In two or three years time, you could have a great young coach who's now got experience. If it doesn't work out, you haven't really lost anything.

That wont happen with Rondo on the roster. If they can trade Rondo there may be hope.

Nuri Sahin · 03-07-2013 11:49pm

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

As an Indiana Pacers fan I'm delighted that David West has agreed to a three-year contract with Indiana on the second day of free agency, The deal is reportedly worth $36 million.

Ok

Dublin Red Devil · 03-07-2013 11:54pm

Celtics need to tank next season anyway so they were always going to go with a no name sacrificial lamb

padraig_f · 04-07-2013 12:15am

killwill wrote: »

That wont happen with Rondo on the roster. If they can trade Rondo there may be hope.

I'd probably try and trade Rondo, not sure he's the right personality to lead a group of young guys (I dunno, he might surprise you) But certainly if he's undermining the coach, you'd need to get rid of him. I think you'd always get takers for him in a year's time.

I just like the hire because in the NBA, you have to gamble if you're not a top 5 or 6 team, you go for the jackpot or bust. The worst thing the Celtics could've done was hire a competent-but-not-great coach, like say Scott Skiles. Not good enough to get them to the top, not bad enough to put them into the lottery. They should go for someone who'll either be brilliant or a disaster. By going for a hotshot college coach with no NBA experience, that's what they're likely to get.

Felexicon · 04-07-2013 1:41pm

I like Boston's move here. Anyone who has followed college basketball over the last few years has seen how good of a coach he is and as the Celtics are going to be on a downward spiral for a few years it's a great time to let Stevens learn the pro game.

Also, can the copy and past jobs please stop. This is a discussion forum, when I want to see lists of rumours and trades I know where NBA.com is and so does everyone else. It's just uping your post count while contributing nothing to the discussion.

You know who I'm talking to

buyer95 · 04-07-2013 1:56pm

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Celtics need to tank next season anyway so they were always going to go with a no name sacrificial lamb

In that one statement you just summed up your knowledge of college basketball. Stevens has been an excellent coach at Butler, and numerous teams have tried hard to lure him away from the bulldogs. As someone pointed out, he is untested in the NBA and it is very much a **** or bust appointment. But he's only 36 and if he shows that he can be a good coach this year, then the c's should give another year.

ButtersSuki · 04-07-2013 2:08pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Also, can the copy and past jobs please stop. This is a discussion forum, when I want to see lists of rumours and trades I know where NBA.com is and so does everyone else. It's just uping your post count while contributing nothing to the discussion.

You know who I'm talking to

Not sure if you're directing that at me or not but
1. You're not a mod so it's not really your place to be saying this
2. Not everyone scours the pages of ither siteslike you claim and some people find it handy that pieces are posted like that - for me it adds to the discussion as it informs those who may not have been aware of a particular piece of news, this allowing them to contribute futher
3. Is it really THAT annoying?

Felexicon · 04-07-2013 2:13pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Not sure if you're directing that at me or not but
1. You're not a mod so it's not really your place to be saying this
2. Not everyone scours the pages of ither siteslike you claim and some people find it handy that pieces are posted like that - for me it adds to the discussion as it informs those who may not have been aware of a particular piece of news, this allowing them to contribute futher
3. Is it really THAT annoying?

Weird that you would think it was directed at you.

Look at the previous page of this thread. It's like someone is having a copy and paste competition with themselves

And yes it is THAT annoying

stuchyg · 04-07-2013 2:26pm

I'd hazard a guess twas directed at someone whose whole thread was basically a copy and paste discussion with himself.

And I agree completely about the annoyance factor

For Forks Sake · 04-07-2013 3:14pm

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Celtics need to tank next season anyway so they were always going to go with a no name sacrificial lamb

For Forks Sake · 04-07-2013 3:18pm

I think Stevens is an inspired choice. The work he did at Butler with what he had available to him was incredible (granted it wasn't always pretty to watch, but it was effective). To be honest, I'd get Rondo out of there now and let it be a proper rebuild from scratch and he's a good person to get it done. But it will take time....

The only danger for him is that the some of the louder elements of the Celts fanbase (i.e those who don't see the bigger picture to having to tank next season) have him lynched before the All-Star break.

stuchyg · 04-07-2013 4:03pm

I think even Celtics fans realise how strong this draft is, best since 03 surely, and will accept a period of tankage.

Regarding rondo, how about a move for pau. Lakes get a pg who can be there for years and the C's get a large 1 year contract heading into possibly the most important free agency in recent memory

Dublin Red Devil · 04-07-2013 4:28pm

The Kings will not match the four-year, $44 million offer sheet that Tyreke Evans has agreed to sign with the New Orleans Pelicans. According to sources close to the situation, the new Kings management group instead is hoping to close Thursday on a sign-and-trade agreement involving Pelicans point guard Greivis Vasquez and backup center Robin Lopez.

Sacramento Bee Blog

Nuri Sahin · 04-07-2013 5:04pm

JR Smith has re-signed with the Knicks, deal is 4 years, $24.7 million.

Clearly loves the NY club scene to accept that

For Forks Sake · 04-07-2013 5:13pm

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

JR Smith has re-signed with the Knicks, deal is 4 years, $24.7 million.

Clearly loves the NY club scene to accept that

Plenty of drinking money for JR there.

buyer95 · 04-07-2013 5:49pm

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

The Kings will not match the four-year, $44 million offer sheet that Tyreke Evans has agreed to sign with the New Orleans Pelicans. According to sources close to the situation, the new Kings management group instead is hoping to close Thursday on a sign-and-trade agreement involving Pelicans point guard Greivis Vasquez and backup center Robin Lopez.

Sacramento Bee Blog

I'm not a mod, but I would like to politely ask that you discontinue copying and pasting articles directly from other sites. This is a discussion thread.

Nuri Sahin · 04-07-2013 6:39pm

So, predictions for tomorrow?

Think it's a money in the bank he's off to Houston now.

Kobe has no doubt scared him off, going from what was said in the meeting with the Lakers yesterday :pac:

I'd be very curious to see how he'd do at Golden State too I must admit.

Nuri Sahin · 04-07-2013 7:10pm

Talk of Big Al heading to Charlotte :eek:

edit - He's agreed to a 3 year deal, $15M per a season with an opt out after year 2 of the deal.

Dublin Red Devil · 04-07-2013 8:23pm

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9450487

Jefferson to Charlotte is done

Probably

Zeller and Jefferson in the front court?

Dublin Red Devil · 04-07-2013 9:59pm

The New Orleans Pelicans have reached agreement on a three-way deal with Sacramento and Portland to acquire guard Tyreke Evans, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Tyreke Evans, just 23, averaged 15.2 points last season.
As part of a sign-and-trade arrangement, Evans will come to the Pelicans on a four-year, $44 million contract. New Orleans will send guard Greivis Vasquez to the Kings and center Robin Lopez to the Trail Blazers, sources said.
Portland will send future draft considerations and cash in the deal.

buyer95 · 04-07-2013 10:38pm

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

The New Orleans Pelicans have reached agreement on a three-way deal with Sacramento and Portland to acquire guard Tyreke Evans, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Tyreke Evans, just 23, averaged 15.2 points last season.
As part of a sign-and-trade arrangement, Evans will come to the Pelicans on a four-year, $44 million contract. New Orleans will send guard Greivis Vasquez to the Kings and center Robin Lopez to the Trail Blazers, sources said.
Portland will send future draft considerations and cash in the deal.

Smh

Masked Man · 04-07-2013 11:51pm

padraig_f wrote: »

Just looking at his Wikipedia page, I think it's a great hire for where they are. Talented young coach, you couldn't put him in charge of a contending team with his lack of pro experience, but he can learn that over the next couple of years, when it doesn't matter if they win or not. In two or three years time, you could have a great young coach who's now got experience. If it doesn't work out, you haven't really lost anything.

Been doing a little reading on him, admittedly on Celtic blogs, and I'm actually super excited about him as a coach. From what I've read he reminds me of a bit Bill Belichick. He has reputation as a super smart coach, believes in process, "The Butler Way", and he's a big believer in analytics (hoping Drew Cannon joins the Celtics).

I'm also really happy to be a fan at the beginning of the next team. Was a latecomer to the Big Three and as much as I liked and admired those guys, I never really had a proper emotional investment in the team.

Nuri Sahin · 05-07-2013 1:02am

buyer95 wrote: »

Smh

Clearly doing it on purpose at this point, at least that's clear.

Dublin Red Devil · 05-07-2013 1:21am

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Clearly doing it on purpose at this point, at least that's clear.

What ? We're all getting this info for online sources. at least that's clear. Relax

Dublin Red Devil · 05-07-2013 1:38am

Portland will send Jeff Withey who they just drafted to Pelicans as part of 3-team deal

New Pelicans Team

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Dublin Red Devil · 05-07-2013 11:19am

The San Antonio Spurs have reached agreement with free-agent guard Marco Belinelli on a two-year, $6 million contract

The Cleveland Cavaliers have reached an agreement on a two-year contract with free agent forward Earl Clark

JGold05 · 05-07-2013 11:38am

Are we gonna get a decision today?
I still have no idea where he is going??

GSW have too many bad contracts to move and cannot sign him outright- would most likely have to give up some of there young assets.

Atlanta seems an unrealistic option and they have moved on with other signings.

Dallas- I don't see how this makes sense? Play with an ageing Dirk until next yr when Dirk re-signs at a discount and try to attract another Player.

LAL offers most cash etc. but that team is Old -Yes Pau & Nash could be healthier next year but even at full health it is a poor defensive team.

Hou prob offers most flexibility going forward- harden & shooters- maybe space for Smith (a long shot) but Hou has not really been relevant for yrs (though I enjoyed watching them last yr.

Enjoy your choice Dwight

ButtersSuki · 05-07-2013 9:02pm

Dwight has apparently made his own "decision" and will be announcing it "soon" on Twitter. Another reason I'm glad I'm not in Twitter

Nuri Sahin · 05-07-2013 9:13pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Dwight has apparently made his own "decision" and will be announcing it "soon" on Twitter. Another reason I'm glad I'm not in Twitter

Twitter is damn handy man, just have to follow the right people... and errr, Dwight in this case

ButtersSuki · 05-07-2013 9:28pm

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Twitter is damn handy man, just have to follow the right people... and errr, Dwight in this case

I know. I was being more than a little facetious, but I flipping hate Howard and his now annual "oh where will I go now" merry go-round. Strikes me as a guy who will never, ever be happy.

As Mr. T would likely say "Just play fool!!!"

stuba · 05-07-2013 9:55pm

Iggy gone to GSW for $48m over 4 years

For Forks Sake · 05-07-2013 9:55pm

Iguadola going to the Warriors. Biedrins, Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush and a 2014 first round pick to Utah to free up salary space.

leggo · 05-07-2013 10:14pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Iguadola going to the Warriors. Biedrins, Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush and a 2014 first round pick to Utah to free up salary space.

That is an awesome trade for GSW. They're contenders.

smackbunnybaby · 05-07-2013 10:16pm

Dwight not going to Mavs...?
ESPN Twitter....

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