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The Sudden Stratospheric Warming 2011/2012

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    redsunset wrote: »
    I came across this from an Italian website so here it is translated,gives some good info in helping to understand. Excuse some sentences that are difficult to understand because of dodgy translation.
    The QBO positive in conjunction with the low solar activity leads to a Stratospheric Polar Vortex ( VPS) is completely blocked, due to the semi-block full of "Brewer Dobson Circulation" that stratospheric level, is a real current hemispherical sundial can connect with the polar equatorial regions. In short, when the BDC is very weak, the VPS is very strong and cold as well as affected by stratospheric zonal wind very intense. Thus the entire structure of the polar vortex (VP) is very compact, with very few opportunities to exchange major meridians (Europe swept by the flow of warm ocean zonal matrix). In such a context, in fact, the large planetary waves, whose propagation is prerequisite for the cold air down from high to medium-low latitudes, enter into serious crisis. In other words, because of the high-speed stratospheric zonal, the heat flows from the array of tropical troposphere to the stratosphere polar penetrate up through the propagation of Rossby waves, are strongly divergent.
    A similar situation is greatly aggravated by Nina moderate / strong central in nature. The strong trade winds, related to the Walker circulation that blow constantly on the ground over the years affected by the phenomenon of the Nina, potently inhibit the development of the Convention on much of the deep Pacific, being the largest ocean on the planet, turns out to be crucial for As regards the complaints against the VP. The reduction of air deep concern to the Convention has 2 effects:
    1) further reduction of the strength of the BDC that much depends on the convective Pacific and in particular the amount of water vapor which, through the tropopause, the stratosphere Equatorial penetrate;
    2) reduction of heat that flows from the troposphere into the stratosphere polar penetrate through the "breakthrough" in the layer of Rossby waves. Said terms "playful", the tropical heat of the Convention is a fuel for the formation of large, long waves can break into the stratosphere.
    The situation described so far is "photographed" by some key images. First of all I report an image, captured by the satellite OMI-AURA, representing the amount of ozone in the polar stratosphere in early December. In this regard, remember that ozone transport from equatorial latitudes (where it originates) to the polar is related to the intensity of the BDC. Therefore the amount of ozone in the VPS is a good index to measure the strength of the BDC.

    ozono-Omi-aura.png

    You can easily see the ozone hole just above the North Pole.
    Secondly carry the image from ECMWF carriers on the EP-FLUX. In two words, remember that these vectors represent the amount of heat fluxes and momentum from the troposphere to penetrate the polar stratosphere. Therefore, the longer vectors indicate a good propagation and vertical flow of heat from the trope of the layer (good wave propagation).

    EP-FLUX.png

    You will notice that until mid-December (red circle) patterns were completely different, a symptom of a VPS in great shape. Precisely in this period were reached in the polar stratosphere temperatures very low, near-record. In the second half of the month but something has changed since the first heat fluxes have been able to penetrate in part into the stratosphere (green circle). This forcing, started as told in the middle of the month and due in large part to the action of the continuous wave 1 (wave-Pacific), will in the coming days to less warming of the first season.
    As I have repeatedly pointed out in comments made ​​in the weather , the disorder is not at all associated with a dynamic thrust of the wave 1 (elevation of the Aleutian hp), but to a particular location of the lower middle VPS that has allowed the vortex semi-permanent Aleutian taking a particularly favorable position. Specifically, the continuing dynamic action induced by the tropo-wave 3 (Asian wave) led the Polar Vortex in the lower stratosphere, to assume a configuration with a major axis ellitticizzata highly favorable (Canada-Eastern Siberia). This location has enabled VPS elliptical same "catch air" right where you are in fact the only obvious sources of heat in the Pacific under the like Nina (+ SSTA in the western Pacific).

    VP-ellittico-1.png

    This trend is clearly perceptible even from paper to 500hPa (with which you certainly more familiar). In this regard, the red arrow represents the pressure exerted by the wave 3 resulting ellitticizzazione the VP (the axis of the ellipse is highlighted by orange arrow).
    That dynamic has allowed, as mentioned, discrete inflow of heat by the wava 1 and the resulting first discrete stratospheric warming of the season, as well detectable by the following paper 10 hpa:

    10-hpa-26-genn.png

    As mentioned repeatedly, the upcoming minor warming (however weak) will have major repercussions in the troposphere. The main effect will be to produce a rotation axis of the polar vortex with major redistribution of vorticity. In particular, the translation of warming from eastern Siberia to Canada will produce a major shift of vorticity of the VP to the Euro-Atlantic sector.

    10-hpa-26-genn.png

    The figure shows the shift of warming on Canada resulting in migration of the centers of vorticity towards the European sector.

    In this phase of migration of arctic masses there will be a weak recovery in wave 2 (wave-Atlantic), with the hp of the Azores which will be facilitated to gain ground toward higher latitudes temporarily. This ripple will produce later this year a rapid and very weak foray into the Arctic Mediterranean, whose implications do not seem yet to be fully framed by the models.
    In the next phase (beginning of new year), the successful transition of the masses on the Arctic sector Euro Russian by the desplacement layer, an inevitable result of the strengthening of the polar jet over Europe, with a consequent increase in the zonal velocity. This phase will therefore very likely that your hp interference ocean on our country will therefore be affected by weather and mild temperatures for the period, especially during the day (in fact the strong temperature inversion, however, guarantee low temperatures at night, especially in areas internal and in the Po Valley). The persistence dell'anticiclone on Italy, however, should not be very durable. In fact, the propagation of the warming even at lower altitudes would produce a further lowering of the polar jet over western right, favoring the entry of our country short fronts the Atlantic / North Atlantic. It should still be a minor ripple, not able to make big jerks.
    Meanwhile, because of the changed position of the VPS is expected to witness the interruption of the inflow of heat from the wave 1 and the upper stratospheric warming quotas should be gradually reabsorbed. Therefore, it should embody a kind of zero at the end of baric disturbances introduced by the previous situation of forcing.
    So far the forecast should have a good chance of success. For the later can only make assumptions without much qualitative feedback especially temporally. However I will try to draw a trend line based on some considerations.
    First of all is to include the imminent passage of the QBO at 50 hPa in negative territory, proven step by ECMWF forecasts on the trend of zonal wind:

    QBO-1.png

    From this paper shows clearly how in 10 days, the share of the equator and 50 hpa (red circle) is already on the QBO value neutral.
    The passage of the QBO in the negative at this stage may not have large seasonal shocks as the consequent strengthening of the BDC will have no effects in the polar stratosphere immediately. In fact, the air particles that move from the equator to the poles through the BDC take between 3 to 4 months to get the pole. Therefore, the stratosphere will continue to be locked down. However there are other effects induced by the passage of the QBO negative, in this context, may still be interesting.
    First, when the eastern tropical wind regime (QBO-), the tropical easterlies tend to restrict the width of the planetary wave -guides in the extratropical lower stratosphere, favoring a larger amplitude wave and a slower phase. Secondly, the QBO-is able to make an increase in convective activity in the Pacific, especially in areas already covered by the Convention Deep (western Pacific under Nina like). This phenomenon is more exasperated by the low solar activity.
    For these reasons I expect that the next tropospheric forcing of the stratospheric polar damage can be more effective than the previous one and therefore is a good time that we are waiting for a long.
    The dynamics of the disorder among other things could be quite similar to that which produced the first warming of the season, due to the reactivation of the Wave 3 (Wave Asian). In fact, the wave 3 receives heat (energy) from the Atlantic jet, which, as mentioned above, is expected to sharp increase from next week. Specifically, the intense Atlantic jet, not just cross the continent of Europe, tends to slow for thermodynamic reasons, accumulating a lot of heat in this area (Eurasia).
    The pressure-induced reactivation of tropowave 3 ellitticcizzazione induce a new VP, resulting in recovery of heat flow by the wave 1 (EP-FLUX new convergent). At this stage, as indeed said, the amount of energy and heat may be much larger. The heat developed by the new layer for propagation may be more enhanced by the strong interest that the average zonal speed the lower stratosphere for a long time. In short I think there's a good chance of being able to attend a stratwarming respectable, which could have implications in the troposphere also remarkable.
    With regard to the timing, you should go for long enough. Let's say that straddles the end of the beginning of January you could have the first three waves of reactivation. This activation may favor, together with the location of the VP ellitticcizata, the slowing of the jet over Europe, with resumption of the Atlantic wave 2 (omega shape of the VP). This could cause a first down on its own arctic continent of Europe. From this point on, would share the flow converged layer with stratospheric beginning of the new disorder, which could last several days. In the third week of the month it reached maturity stratwarming, with implications in the troposphere, which began to take place in late January / early February.
    I repeat once again that this is a trend, especially as regards the timing. Therefore, the changes may be considerable. Moreover, the stratospheric forecasts still do not begin to frame any favorable situation. The season is not as we know the good ones and there are these "attacks" even the smallest clues favorable. And then as they say, hope is always the last to die.

    INTEGRATION:

    ecmwf-ensemble.png

    From this image taken from ECMWF ENSEMBLE this morning we see that the models begin to frame the dynamics described at the end of the article. In particular, it is clear the pressure wave induced by the trope of omega-3 resulting in the disposal of the VP. This particular configuration could lead to the end of the first decade of January (maybe later), a first foray into the Arctic on our country, whose trajectory and the consequent implications would obviously all be evaluated. The important thing, which seems to be reflected among others in different emissions modeling today, is that the VP seems to be brought back to ellitticcizzarsi, resulting in recovery of heat flows converging in the stratosphere by the peaceful wave 1. This is a prerequisite in view of the end of the month stratwarming suggested to me.

    Im going to wait till i have a few on board later on to have a read of this ! its will be great crack !


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Did ya's really have to quote the whole post twice :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭tzfrantic


    derekon wrote: »
    For those who do not have a Doctorate in Meteorology, what is this post saying? :D

    Is the stratosphere actually warming up with potential for a cold out break further south in mid to late January?

    D
    basically we could see a cold snap from this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    baraca wrote: »
    Did ya's really have to quote the whole post twice :pac:

    Severe lack of decorum!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Well with the ECM back on again so time for another update.

    Firstly, we see some agreement between the ECM and GFS with regards to another warming at the 10 hPa level.

    In fact we are seeing varying degrees of warmings continually bouncing off the surf zone, weakening the vortex as they do so. Here is the latest at T+ 240. Note shuggee that this is just another peak during the continual surf zone attack.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126185

    The vortex displacement and elongation is carried right down to the 100hPa level though the vortex is still forecast to be more centrally placed here - that is why any amplification in the tropospheric flow is still struggling to break through the Greenland area - so far.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126186

    However it should be noted that the 100 hPa mean zonal 60ºN winds are forecast to reduce slowly over the next ten days. This is crucial as the tropospheric vortex strength will reduce in line with this and it won't be long after that we see further blocking solutions offered.

    More importantly, with there being no sign of let up in the warming of the middle stratosphere we are likely to see tropospheric high latitude blocking chances increase as time progresses - even without a SSW.

    So all in all the promise for the second half of January is very much welcome. Lets hope that we are on the receiving end of any cold that heads south!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    WOW this from Glacier Point Chief Forecaster on NW
    EDIT Links now work
    Big, big spike in tendency of relative angular momentum showing up...


    http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/reanalysis/aam_total/gltend.sig.90day.gif

    and there's a big + Asian Mountain Torque in there which will: extend the Asian Jet into the Pacific setting up the conditions for the Aleutian ridge; and, bring about further wave breaking into the polar stratosphere for the next 10-15 days. It was a similar spike in angular momentum which preceded our cold outbreaks of the last two winters.

    The ensemble means have, if anything, begun to lock onto a negative Arctic Oscillation with the 'switch over' centred around 11th January. GEFS control going through the floor. Most of the +ve anomalies centred on the Pacific and Siberian sectors.


    http://policlimate.com/weather/oscillation.html
    Long range tools indicate temperatures for our neck of the woods trending average or slightly below given night time frosts although there is something of a change in the pace of change during mid month as the possible double whammy of tropospheric changes and stratospheric warming (this one a plausible major mid winter warming) coincide around this time.

    Northerly attacks along a trough dropping into Europe look the most likely pattern from mid month, potentially going more unsettled as the trough expands into the Atlantic - cold zonality anyone, followed by a genuine cold source Scandinavian ridge ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    My Temp Anomaly graph from page 1 is now complete and the minor Strat warming can be clearly seen in the upper levels.
    Remember these warmings are helping to weaken the Polar Vortex but i'd like to see more.

    time_pres_TEMP_ANOM_OND_NH_2011.gif


    Now carrying on from that graph,
    time_pres_TEMP_ANOM_JFM_NH_2012.gif


    Good healthy climb from the 30hpa graph between 90n - 65n

    30mb9065.gif


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Today we see the best stratospheric ECM forecast of the season so far. This is probably in response to the latest strong Asian MT event that has caused wave breaking up into the stratosphere. With the stratospheric vortex already slightly weakened by the previous warming events wil this latest warming be enough for a knockout blow?

    Well we can't tell yet but signs are encouraging.

    Firstly we have another negative zonal mean wing forecast right at the top of the stratosphere (1hPa) at T+240.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126377

    This is strong enough to displace the vortex off the pole at this level .... but we need to see propagation down to lower levels for this to have any effect on the troposphere.

    Signs are good, firstly we have a reduced mean zonal wind, due to the displacement, throughout the stratosphere. At the 10 hPa level both the warming and displacement is evident.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126379

    This is the crucial level that mean zonal mean winds would have to reverse at 60N to achieve a SSW.

    However, I am more interested at this stage in how any stratospheric disturbances are played out tropospherically rather than achieving a technical SSW.

    To look at this we need to look even lower down the stratosphere and for the first time the displacement of the vortex is forecast to have strong effect at the 100 hPa level.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126380

    Here we see both a displacement and split of the vortex. This is so positioned that initailly we would a receive a northerly flow - no toppler here due to the lack of strong vorticity on the western Atlantic side.

    How things develop from here hold a lot of interest - where will the vortex go next?

    I am unable to say so far but hopefully the GFS will give us a clue later.

    For those who have been following the stratosphere this winter we could be seeing a winter that demonstrates very well why a favourable or unfavourable stratosphere is so important on tropospheric weather patterns.


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭oterra


    Interesting read here from the USA in '85 when the Polar Vortex shifted.
    Excuse if it has already been posted.
    http://www.answers.com/topic/january-1985-arctic-outbreak


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 FSP


    Thanks Pete, following with great interest and trying to piece together the important parameters to understand the sequence.
    Stephane


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭oterra


    oterra wrote: »
    Interesting read here from the USA in '85 when the Polar Vortex shifted.
    Excuse if it has already been posted.
    http://www.answers.com/topic/january-1985-arctic-outbreak

    Just wondering if anyone could shed a little insight into what happened to cause this event back in '85. What would the conditions have been before the shift. How did it effect us in Ireland/Uk?
    Fascinating stuff!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    oterra wrote: »
    Just wondering if anyone could shed a little insight into what happened to cause this event back in '85. What would the conditions have been before the shift. How did it effect us in Ireland/Uk?
    Fascinating stuff!

    Read the thread, have posted bout 85 in some detail.Especially page 2


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    GFS update trends are good as well this morning.

    The only drawback is that it is not until T+240 that the vortex show signs of leaving Greenland.

    However, we see a forecast of significant warming at the 30 hPa level for the first time.


    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126401


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    A look at the mean zonal winds at different layers of the stratosphere highlights both the strong polar vortex conditions that we have seen and the changes already encountered in upper to mid levels of the stratosphere.

    First we see that the 10 Hpa temperature is now running above average.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126417


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Excellent stratosphere forecasts this morning from the ECM.
    If these forecasts verify then I would say a SSW would be
    imminent. Looking through the height charts IE 10mb,
    30mb,50mb etc good downwelling seems to be occurring
    and the profile of where the heights and vortex is likely to
    be look very good for the UK and Europe from a cold
    perspective.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126481


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    ECM update:

    Starting from the top af the stratosphere, we see a warming forecast for a considerable time that leaves us with the following picture at T+240.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126482

    This chart show a considerable warm upper stratosphere with a reducing vortex that looks to be soon overwhelmed by the warming. The forecast mean zonal mean winds are very negative ( -30m/s). During the record breaking SSW of 2009 the mean zonal winds, at this level, bottomed out at around -40m/s, so that gives one an indication of how strong this event could be. The vortex is not completely forecast to disintergrate yet though.


    Moving lower now, into the middle stratosphere we see that there is a displacement of the polar vortex forecast at the 10 hPa level that is being recharged by considerable warming.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126484

    We have yet to see reversal of the mean zonal winds at this level, but with this type of warming (and if the forecast verifies) then that would be the natural progression.

    We see further propagation at the 30 hPa level which continues the theme.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126485

    The trend at the lower stratosphere on the ECM is for a complete displacement of the vortex to the Eurasion half of the hemisphere leaving a small area of weaker vorticity that has dropped into East America.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126486

    This suggests Atlantic blocking but is the most unreliable part of the forecast. Small shifts in the vorticity centres can lead to very different tropospheric pattern for our small island. We best wait until we have some cross model agreement before establishing where exactly any High latitude blocking will establish. ( An Aleution high looks a safe bet though).

    The next chart sees the negative mean zonal winds becoming established in the upper polar atmosphere. Hopefully in the coming days we will see these blues lower further towards the troposphere.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126487

    GFS update to follow later.


  • Registered Users Posts: 386 ✭✭mcriot29


    I have a feeling the true cold air will miss ireland , and most of the uk when it does come south , some seem to think more of a east euro freeze with west missing out ,time frame seems to be frist week of feb .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    SUDDEN STRATOSPHERIC WARMING (SSW) + COLD HEALTH WARNING
    I see that it's now very likely that we will be seeing a SSW.
    1hpa Upper strat winds are forecast to greatly reverse.Even if it backs off somewhat like the previous warming that never actually made the reversal as forecast, I still think that the warming is too great and the polar vortex is past the point of rescue and so the effects will propagate down to 10hpa and completely reverse the upper westerly flow to easterly.
    It only becomes a SSW when winds reverse at 10hpa level so will be watching this part on graph with great interest.
    fluxes.gif

    The Temps are shown to rise well above average at the 30 hpa level which is very encouraging.

    temps.gif

    Now this all disrupts/splits the PV ,so greatly enhances any chances of super cold periods down the road.However there is no guarantee any future blocking will set up in the perfect place to drag Arctic conditions to our back yard. Canada,USA could favour from this and we could be on the wrong side so hang fire on the excitement until the models get their head around what's happening because they don't handle situations like this well.
    That is all for now. Tis very encouraging to say the least


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    If the PV splits and if it heads the right way, then were going to have great fun watching the models and seeing what does or doesn't appear in FI.

    If it splits the wrong way, I think I might start following cold/snow developments on the US weather forums. I usually only read those forums during hurricane season. Could be interesting. :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Just a little look at what the ECM predicted at 30hpa 9 days ago.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126527

    This is what happened.

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126528

    Very good verification.. the only marginal difference is the high, with the +216 predicting lower heights and slightly cooler temps. The flow was almost perfect. I'd say it gives a lot of confidence for those forecasting using the tool.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Personally and this could be just wishful thinking but I can see
    no negatives in this major warming thats being forecast. I would
    expect to see a very negative - AO and then -NAO develop
    from this. Also looking at the height profiles from 10 hpa down
    through 100 hpa I'm inclined to believe a cold pattern will develop
    within the 10 to 15 day range.
    The effects of the SSW ( if there is one) should be seen throughout
    the stratosphere and troposphere for several weeks to come,
    whether this means prolonged cold for the UK and Europe or polar
    (Arctic) incursions from time to time depending on other teleconnections
    is far to early to say but I really like what I am seeing at the moment.
    My money is on a stonking easterly setting up within the next 3 to 5
    weeks with a portion of the vortex trapped over central Europe.
    Not a lot to ask for is it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Wave 1 is expected to increase height amplitude and temperature amplitude congruent with the expected warming. Very nice heat flux from wave 1 between 5 and 10 hPa and even wave 2 by 240 indicating it wants to get going a bit. Pretty solid momentum flux as well by day 10 from wave 1 but this occurs at the top of the stratosphere. Very strong momentum flux from wave 2 by 240 in the Euro but again it as at the top of the stratosphere.

    Looking at some forecasts, I expect to see IO convection increase at a pretty good amount around the 25th of January, perhaps setting off another Asian MT event to cap the month off and give the PV one more blow heading into February. This is the hope that I have for February in giving us the high latitude blocking that we all seek. As of now the warming will help but I'm sure most can't shake the feeling that we'll need 1 more warm push to set us free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Randomly came across this so might as well stick it here.



    From about 1:00 in the video.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    umm the ECM charts this morning wouldn't inspire confidence fell more back inline with GFS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭WolfeIRE


    Unrelated to the the thread in most respects but I thought those reading this thread might appreciate it.

    Interesting one from NASA

    See How a Stronger Arctic Oscillation Has Shifted the Flow of Russian Runoff

    An interesting new study published in Nature points out that an increase in the strength of the Arctic Oscillation between 2005 and 2008 caused winds in the region to grow more cyclonic and shift ocean currents in ways that drew more upper-surface freshwater from Russian rivers toward the Canada Basin and the Beaufort Sea. To see the shift in the animation above, look for the tightening of the wind patterns (shown in blue) over the Canada Basin that begins about 13 seconds into the video.

    Notice how the stream of less salty water from river runoff in Russia (shown in red) begins to loop westward toward Canada in sync with the circulation of the wind rather than continuing toward Greenland as it typically would. The purple arrows show the transpolar drift, a current that generally pushes water toward Greenland. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory has a press release with more details, and a number of news outlets have written stories about the study. In the image below, the altered path of the freshwater current is shown in red.

    1029456main_earthB20120104-full.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Villain wrote: »
    umm the ECM charts this morning wouldn't inspire confidence fell more back inline with GFS

    Yes, no major changes in the ECM forecasts today,

    Without doubt the best type of wave break that we will see is a local (central) wave break from the troposphere into the stratosphere centered around the Greenland area - as seen in 2009/2010 winter. This doesnt normally lead to a SSW but can lead to a spell of disturbed vortex and blocking.

    The type of wave breaking event we are seeing now is from remote waves circling the edge of the polar vortex before rebounding back down towards the troposphere. This type of wave breaking is less favourable and less guaranteed to produce tropospheric effects than local wave breaking.

    Thie remote type of wave break can cause a SSW or just disturb the vortex. So far we are seeing a mayor disturbance of the vortex but no complete collapse of the vortex in the middle stratosphere. The disturbance seen so far, is in the form of a displacement of the vortex towards Eurasia - however, the closer we get to the troposphere, the less pronounced this displacement becomes, and the tropospheric teleconnective influences and residual vortex strength of the tropospheric vortex override this signal somewhat. That is why we are yet to see any major blocking signals in the tropospheric output as of yet.

    So far the forecasts suggest a displacement of the vortex (which may lead to pronounced negative mean zonal winds) but no complete disintergration of the vortex. Whereas the warming is good and will eventually filter through to the surface and perhaps allow local wave breaking, it is a far cry from having the complete disintergration of the vortex. I suspect that it is the complete disintergration of the vortex that we will need this winter to override the tropospheric polar vortex and La nina signal.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Just a quick one, I have had a look at the excellent (of late) EC 32 day this morning and in close detail and the final week of January and into the opening week of February heralds a change. The model scenario is towards a pattern which deepens a marked trough of low pressure across Scandinavia as the zonal Atlantic dies away, particularly compared with of late. There is a +ve pressure anom across the W Atlantic and up into E or NE Canada, though not over Greenland.

    The end result is a mean flow from the N or NW during the final week of January and into early February which signals a temperature anom of around 0C if not trending slightly below average and precipitation totals drop to near or slightly below average.

    All this does is reiterate the signal that a pattern change, of sorts, is likely the further we progress through winter and the EC 32 of late has been excellent, all winter up to present to be honest, so I am certainly hoping that this trend and evolution is being modelled correctly.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Looking over on the Netweather forum there is really a good few lads clued into the SSW,

    One of the lads chionomaniac seems to be really up on SSW's and most of the stuff I have posted is from his postings on netweather, Its extremely insightful and great to follow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭Tom Cruises Left Nut


    Been watching that myself, interesting stuff !


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    t|nt|n wrote: »
    Been watching that myself, interesting stuff !

    There is quite a few of them although I did only mention one of the posters, a couple of others I always look out for our , Matt Hugo,Glacier Point,Lorenzo,Coling CLimate and Phil N Parks.

    Some seem to be experts and some learning as they go on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭Tom Cruises Left Nut


    There is quite a few of them although I did only mention one of the posters, a couple of others I always look out for our , Matt Hugo,Glacier Point,Lorenzo,Coling CLimate and Phil N Parks.

    Some seem to be experts and some learning as they go on.

    The mood is a bit like a rollercoaster mind :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Davaeo09


    t|nt|n wrote: »
    The mood is a bit like a rollercoaster mind :pac:

    That's what it's like here for us snow bunnies :D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    I was just about to post the latest GFS update still keeps us on track. Whereas we have no SSW forecast yet , it still is a strong possibility. Of course I feel we don't just want a technical SSW where the vortex recovers quickly, but a total disintegration of the vortex.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    One thing I find is that weather forums have a great difficulty in 'getting' the extremely lagged timescales involved with the stratosphere.

    Agressive, sharp warmings can have a shorther propagation time but generally 20+ days is considered the most likely duration for an event at the top end of the stratosphere to work its way down.

    With that in mind, the warming event over Christmas was centered in the Pacific sector.
    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126579


    Wind forward to GFS ensemble mean H5 anomaly projection for the 18th January:
    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126576


    There may be some tropospheric factors at play which inclined the blocking signal to this region, however this does provide some additional weight to the evidence around tropospheric influence from the stratosphere.

    Two further warming episodes are forecast in the next 15 days from around day 8 through day 14. I wouldn't be suprised to see these two merge as they are relatively close together:

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126578

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126577

    The first of these is also being modelled by the ECM. The second of these being a rapid injection of warm air into the core vortex.

    I'm still not totally convinced that the 1st warming has come onto the radar yet, particularly if it's a nodal propagator which by nature would appear to come and go as it descended. Factor in the possible height rises early February in those areas where warming is forecast, and the whole polar field becomes infinately (more) problematic to model.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Forgive me Pete, I cannot make out where these are oriented on the Instant weather maps generated pics of yours above....can you add continental outlines or thicken them or display Longitudes ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Forgive me Pete, I cannot make out where these are oriented on the Instant weather maps generated pics of yours above....can you add continental outlines or thicken them or display Longitudes ?

    USA and canada directly underneath centre, Ireland and europe to the right pacific to the left.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Forgive me Pete, I cannot make out where these are oriented on the Instant weather maps generated pics of yours above....can you add continental outlines or thicken them or display Longitudes ?

    Im afraid bob as I have said in the title of the post these were taken from netweather ,

    But looking at the site you might find the info you are looking for here ,


    http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-strat.php?run=2012010612&var=TMP&lev=10mb&hour=039


    Not sure if this will help u but I have marked Ireland and UK which might give some orientation

    187422.png


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Ireland always at 3 o clock is it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭jimmy.d


    Davaeo09 wrote: »
    That's what it's like here for us snow bunnies :D
    this is what we will be like in a couple weeks covered187433.gif


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Davaeo09


    jimmy.d wrote: »
    this is what we will be like in a couple weeks covered187433.gif


    Can I hold you too that statement mate? :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Im afraid bob as I have said in the title of the post these were taken from netweather ,
    You can get originals if you follow this link as an EG.

    See. ( EG) http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-strat.php?run=2012010612&var=HGT&lev=1mb&hour=324

    Then refresh ( press f5) and an imageshack links shows below it. Very neat that instantweathermap site.

    More direct possibilities for you Here and Here(colour) if you play with parameters. But you gotta press F5 to get that imageshack link sometimes.

    HTH


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber



    With that in mind, the warming event over Christmas was centered in the Pacific sector.

    Would that be this warming? It's quite sudden

    temp10anim.gif
    Is the strat warming in the Pacific forcing the Polar vortex over towards the Atlantic?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    Excellent stratosphere forecasts today- Mean Zonal winds are forecast to completely reverse at the 1hpa level, down to -35m/s! What we need is for this to propagate down to the 10hpa and 30hpa levels. :D

    fluxes.gif



    The chart showing the projected temp profile over the pole is just epic-

    temps.gif

    The warming at the 10Hpa level goes off the scale! But again we need this to propagate to the 30hpa level-Which it is forecast to do.





    Dan :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Kippure




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Now looking at this 10 hPa temperature chart I record the warming maximum to be +18ºC

    index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126673

    Just a whopping 88ºC higher than the normal seen at this time in winter!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭aboyro


    Nabber wrote: »
    Would that be this warming? It's quite sudden

    temp10anim.gif
    Is the strat warming in the Pacific forcing the Polar vortex over towards the Atlantic?

    OMG, thats pretty impressive, now if you said it was the result of nuclear actitivy off the coast of japan, i'd have believed that too:eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Ah wait :DRead the small print. The Strat Graphic comes from here

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/intraseasonal/temp10anim.shtml
    Each frame is an eleven-day mean, centered on the date indicated in the title, of 10-hPa temperature and anomalies from the NCEP Climate Data Assimilation System (CDAS). Contour interval for temperatures is 4°C, anomalies are indicated by shading. Anomalies are departures from the 1979-95 daily base period means.

    Not that sudden, it could even have been warmer before the 'redburst' except that the upper atmosphere is normally that warm on that particular day and therefore shows as blue!

    temp10anim.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    Have to say Im simply loving the Strat forecasts today,could we be seeing a reverse of last year?
    Like previous years keep an eye on any Strat Alerts from Tokyo and there will be soon.
    http://hirweb.nict.go.jp/cgi-bin/tserdin/AandF

    Upper winds showing immense reversal potential at 10 days out
    187517.JPG


    This is a really good looking site showing warmings in animation using ECM if you haven't seen it already.
    http://www.pa.op.dlr.de/arctic/index.html


    The Quasi-biennial Oscillation (QBO) is really getting into gear now and is intensifying. As of Dec it was -16.25, Link
    http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/correlation/qbo.data

    187518.JPG

    As I have said before , Major winter stratospheric warmings preferentially occur during the easterly phase of the QBO.
    This is shown by Holton and Tan (1980)

    I showed before in the winter thread that in similar conditions with a weak central based La Nina the previous autumn, the results WITH a Strat warming ended up with this type of outcome.
    1985 is a big influence here

    187519.JPG


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    redsunset wrote: »
    The Quasi-biennial Oscillation (QBO) is really getting into gear now and is intensifying. As of Dec it was -16.25, Link
    http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/correlation/qbo.data

    All right, we are up to AO and NAO around here and now we get this QBO added to the mix. ;)

    Can you explain what it is in some more detail please??


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    All right, we are up to AO and NAO around here and now we get this QBO added to the mix. ;)

    Can you explain what it is in some more detail please??

    Google is our Friend ;)

    The quasi-biennial oscillation (QBO) is a quasi-periodic oscillation of the equatorial zonal wind between easterlies and westerlies in the tropical stratosphere with a mean period of 28 to 29 months. The alternating wind regimes develop at the top of the lower stratosphere and propagate downwards at about 1 km (0.6 mi) per month until they are dissipated at the tropical tropopause. Downward motion of the easterlies is usually more irregular than that of the westerlies. The amplitude of the easterly phase is about twice as strong as that of the westerly phase. At the top of the vertical QBO domain, easterlies dominate, while at the bottom, westerlies are more likely to be found


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