Teachers to be paid full pay whilst schools closed - Rest of us €305 pw

LuasSimon wrote: »

Sums up the teaching profession in Ireland .

In the UK teachers are staying in work to teach and look after the children of workers on the front line or essential services . Teachers here would go on strike if they were asked to do that .

Teachers here are offering contact tracing etc. I'm unaware of a scheme where we can volunteer to look after the children of childcare workers? I'd absolutely jump at that and imagine many would.

All I know is I am now teaching my child at home due to school closure and afterschool closure...

And

Aso working remotely full-time at home too.

Its no one's fault, it's a crisis. Many people are fortunate to still be getting a pay cheque. Not just teachers.

So parents are double jobbing as a result and neither the child or the job is getting the attention it requires!

But

Teachers do have the benefit of being able to teach their children at home... And then many teachers don't have children.

So with all these considerations in mind, I would love to see teachers and their unions step up, after the doctors, nurses, shop workers and lorry drivers, and agree to summer school for the lost classes of 2020. And I will have respect for them if they do that. No excuses, no union party lines. It will simply not be acceptable that the Dept of Education decide 'ara just forget this year and start in September'.

Some teachers will be up for it, others not, that's life!

The online solutions are alot of work to plan out and to be honest its the in-class learning and peer discussion that makes the difference. So I'm not so bothered with all the zooms and skypes.

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Seriously?

Yes seriously. I'm obviously having comprehension difficulties. Enlighten me.

S.G.M. wrote: »

I'm sure there's loads in your profession that aren't doing a tap at home. Every profession has that.

Nope. Back in the real world, every hour of our day has to be accounted for and charged to a task and project. Every hour that’s charged must have an associated deliverable produced.
Sure, there are those who are more productive than others, but you won’t get away with dossing for too long before being sacked. In the real world.

LilyShame wrote: »

All I know is I am now teaching my child at home due to school closure and afterschool closure...

And

Aso working remotely full-time at home too.

Its no one's fault, it's a crisis. Many people are fortunate to still be getting a pay cheque. Not just teachers.

So parents are double jobbing as a result and neither the child or the job is getting the attention it requires!

But

Teachers do have the benefit of being able to teach their children at home... And then many teachers don't have children.

So with all these considerations in mind, I would love to see teachers and their unions step up, after the doctors, nurses, shop workers and lorry drivers, and agree to summer school for the lost classes of 2020. And I will have respect for them if they do that. No excuses, no union party lines. It will simply not be acceptable that the Dept of Education decide 'ara just forget this year and start in September'.

Some teachers will be up for it, others not, that's life!

The online solutions are alot of work to plan out and to be honest its the in-class learning and peer discussion that makes the difference. So I'm not so bothered with all the zooms and skypes.

Well if that’s the case we would want to know now. If I’m supposed to teach during June and July then I won’t bother doing anything at all now.

If I can provide evidence that I am remotely assisting learning to the best of my ability and resources then I don’t see why I should be made work the summer months.

Can’t have it both ways.

S.G.M. wrote: »

Hahahahahahahahahahaha best get back to work then.

Best get back to your wine son.

History Queen wrote: »

Yes seriously. I'm obviously having comprehension difficulties. Enlighten me.

You are probably beyond enlightening at this stage but I'll give it a shot.

You are effectively saying that you are not prepared to work any extra time in the job that you are getting still paid for. This, even though the country is in crisis and many are going well above and beyond the call of duty and putting themselves in physical danger for us.

Have I got that correct?

And you don't see anything wrong with that???

Teach30 wrote: »

If I’m supposed to teach during June and July then I won’t bother doing anything at all now.

I'm sorry, but this is an absolute disgrace.

onrail wrote: »

I’ve said before that I’ve no problem whatsoever with teachers who are working right now. They deserve to be paid.

Those who don’t work (and there are loads ) don’t deserve to be paid, but the system has no means to hold them accountable. It’s a joke, and so far removed from reality it’s hilarious.

I agree with you that those who are wilfully refusing to work don't deserve to be paid, and I'm not sure what consequences if any, they will face. All teachers however have contracts and are bound by the teaching council's code of professional conduct. Those of us making efforts to meet our teaching obligations can prove we have done so.... what can those who decided to "down tools" show? Nothing. I would like to think that those who are so damaging to our profession be held accountable, however like you, I doubt this will be the case.

I do think though that this is not a problem confined to our profession. It is apparent in most jobs private and public. Just look at the work problems board here to see that there are people getting away with this every day in both sectors. For some reason though teachers in particular raise people's ire.

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

You’re not even working now so not sure why you think you have the moral high ground.

You’re the sponger, at least that other teacher is doing their best.

Neck like a jockey’s bollox springs to mind.

I don't have the tools nor skills to "work" now.

Would you like to address my points as opposed to attacking me?

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I'm sorry, but this is an absolute disgrace.

Why? I’m currently stressing myself out trying to assist in students learning. I do not live in an appropriate environment to assist in remote learning but I am trying my best.

If I was told I had to teach during June and July grand no problem. It would save me so much hardship right now. I don’t see why I should suffer both though.

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Teach30 wrote: »

Why? I’m currently stressing myself out trying to assist in students learning. I do not live in an appropriate environment to assist in remote learning but I am trying my best.

If I was told I had to teach during June and July grand no problem. It would save me so much hardship right now. I don’t see why I should suffer both though.

That's a fair point. Do you think it would be better to just stop the teaching altogether for now-all teachers being eligible for the 203 per week and then once this is over, resume teaching over the Summer months?

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Am I completely missing something here? You've admitted that you're not doing any work and you're attacking teachers who are working?

You clearly 'work' in a sh1t school with particularly useless colleagues so go and crawl back under your rock.

Still not sure why I’m being attacked.

If every primary and post primary school teacher who is not really working now should crawl under a rock ... that will be a lot of rocks.

teachinggal123 wrote: »

You are probably beyond enlightening at this stage but I'll give it a shot.

You are effectively saying that you are not prepared to work any extra time in the job that you are getting still paid for. This, even though the country is in crisis and many are going well above and beyond the call of duty and putting themselves in physical danger for us.

Have I got that correct?

And you don't see anything wrong with that???

Ahhh.. it is as I suspected... I don't have the comprehension issue. You do.

I am prepared to (and am already) working extra time in the job I am still getting paid for. I am spending hours adapting and creating new resources suitable for distance learning as well as teaching classes and answering individual queries from students. That's not to mention the extra time it is taking me to do my bog standard corrections and feedback ( corrections and feedback are only taking more time than normal because I personally am not very technologically adept) .

I am not prepared however to devote more time on top of all this to teaching again during the summer just so that freeloaders like you who refuse to adapt can sit onyour backside preaching to the rest of us who actually give a damn about our students. Just so you won't have to change/, to think outside the box/to apply yourself. I know which one of us is disgracing our profession and it isn't me.