N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

josip · 01-01-2019 2:33pm

What is the justification given for doing the Glenmore - Waterford section?
2018 traffic volumes would appear to be higher than elsewhere on the N25 east of Youghal.
https://www.nratrafficdata.ie/c2/gmapbasic.asp?sgid=ZvyVmXU8jBt9PJE$c7UXt6
They're actually slightly higher than the M9.
There's a big drop off on the traffic volumes east of New Ross, so a lot of that traffic is either commuter traffic from New Ross and/or Waterford traffic heading to South East Dublin.

Is the M25-M11 officially an alternative route to Dublin?
I've heard lots of "the EU have mandated that all roads in Ireland to airports/ports have to be at least DC", but that could have been the man with the brown paper bag.
Although Rosslare is geographically closest to the EU, Brexit looming, decent road infrastructure imminent, there doesn't seem to be a viable business case for expanding the port.

MrDerp · 01-01-2019 2:56pm

josip wrote: »

I've heard lots of "the EU have mandated that all roads in Ireland to airports/ports have to be at least DC", but that could have been the man with the brown paper bag.
Although Rosslare is geographically closest to the EU, Brexit looming, decent road infrastructure imminent, there doesn't seem to be a viable business case for expanding the port.

Interestingly, the EU is seeing Cork and Dublin as the strategic ports:
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-french-ireland-ports-cut-out-of-eu-trade-route-after-brexit/

However, the French subsequently vetoed the proposal to move Ireland traffic from French ports, claiming they can handle post brexit trade there.

It’ll be an interesting year in shipping and haulage.

As an aside, cork to roscoff is actually quicker than Rosslare to roscoff. Would mostly be ship speeds but I’m sure I’ve read there’s very little if anything in comparative distance between Rosslare/Ringaskiddy and France

allthedoyles · 01-01-2019 7:35pm

2019 photo of the Bridge construction

Geogregor · 01-01-2019 9:37pm

Mrs Dempsey wrote: »

I have heard from a bloke who was drinking out of a brown paper bag that the bridge has serious structural flaws but our useless government have got big pharma on the job to suppress this information. It is important that you copy & paste this into social media to demonstrate that this country is f"""ed & that it is run by incompetent corrupt morons who have the mainstream press in their pocket & that they intend to introduce genetically modified manure & artificial food (or something like that - don't be bothering with the details). On that matter don't ever listen to experts - an expert is someone who knows more & more about less & less until they ultimately know f**k all about nothing. The only hope is that they stop this bridge & convert the existing truncated structure into housing for the homeless.
It's well past time that the state & it's associated apparatus of suppression take me on board as a consultant - again I appeal to you all to copy & paste this info - I'm all you have got between you & doom.
Some may accuse me of orchestrating outrage & disseminating discontent - nothing could be further from the truth & to validate my credentials may I wist you all a happy 2019 - it will be happier if you follow me.
Obviously in the interim I will require voluntary donation to continue my important project of countering cosy cartels conniving contrary (to) citizen concerns (CCCCCCC). Rock on brothers (& sisters) - I an seriously serious (I think).

Don't drink and write...

spacetweek · 03-01-2019 2:00pm

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Cracking pics as always, thanks for the uploads, M17.

Note that they are not M17’s photos, they are reposted from Facebook.

BelfastVanMan · 03-01-2019 3:13pm

spacetweek wrote: »

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Cracking pics as always, thanks for the uploads, M17.

Note that they are not M17’s photos, they are reposted from Facebook.

Ahhhh....ok. :-D

I don't have Facebook, anyway, so thanks for uoloading them, so. :-)

serfboard · 03-01-2019 6:24pm

m17 wrote: »

Both sides of the barrow crossing 14/12/18

Mod Note: Photos by insta_mavic - www.facebook.com/instamavic/

m17. I really enjoyed your photos of the M17/M18. You provided a great service to boards users such as myself.

However, if you are going to post other people's photos, can you please credit them appropriately. It's the right thing to do.

In fairness, you have credited photos that you got from the m11 website, so I don't see why the facebook photos don't deserve the same.

Unless of course, you are instamavic, but it seems to have been stated here categorically that you are not.

m17 · 03-01-2019 6:58pm

serfboard wrote: »

m17. I really enjoyed your photos of the M17/M18. You provided a great service to boards users such as myself.

However, if you are going to post other people's photos, can you please credit them appropriately. It's the right thing to do.

In fairness, you have credited photos that you got from the m11 website, so I don't see why the facebook photos don't deserve the same.

Unless of course, you are instamavic, but it seems to have been stated here categorically that you are not.

The above has been removed sorry if I have upset people by not giving them a mention i hope to get down there over the next few weeks with drone shots of my own

insta_mavic · 03-01-2019 10:22pm

A few of my own photos from the new bridge which have been taken over the last few days. I don't mind anyone sharing my photos as long as proper credit is given. All of them can be found on my Facebook page www.facebook.com/instamavic/

insta_mavic · 04-01-2019 11:33pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFnNyDdYQig

A video I recorded earlier in the week. Enjoy.

allthedoyles · 05-01-2019 1:40am

In total, the announcement sets out €6.3 million for several projects around the county.

The funding includes for the delivery and design a number of strategic road projects such as the N24 Cahir to Waterford section west from Mooncoin, and N25 Waterford to Glenmore, which will connect to the New Ross bypass due to open later this year.

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/356180/n24-tower-road-among-schemes-confirmed-funding-as-part-of-6-3m-announcement-for-kilkenny.html

The money is there now for Waterford - Glenmore

alta stare · 05-01-2019 12:52pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/356180/n24-tower-road-among-schemes-confirmed-funding-as-part-of-6-3m-announcement-for-kilkenny.html

The money is there now for Waterford - Glenmore

Im surprised at that to be honest. It is of course welcomed so i hope it does happen. It isnt a long stretch so im sure it would be built in a short enough time frame.

BelfastVanMan · 05-01-2019 1:33pm

alta stare wrote: »

allthedoyles wrote: »

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/356180/n24-tower-road-among-schemes-confirmed-funding-as-part-of-6-3m-announcement-for-kilkenny.html

The money is there now for Waterford - Glenmore

Im surprised at that to be honest. It is of course welcomed so i hope it does happen. It isnt a long stretch so im sure it would be built in a short enough time frame.

I hope it will freeflow onto the New Ross bypass at Glenmore junction.

Chris_5339762 · 05-01-2019 3:22pm

alta stare wrote: »

Im surprised at that to be honest. It is of course welcomed so i hope it does happen. It isnt a long stretch so im sure it would be built in a short enough time frame.

I'm banging the drum a bit but its a decent enough road as it is, I can only imagine they do not want two bits of DC with S2 in between so are pushing this. But to do this before Midleton - Youghal bridge is bad enough, to suggest it with Midleton - Youghal bridge not even being considered at all is a bit ridiculous.

alta stare · 05-01-2019 4:49pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I'm banging the drum a bit but its a decent enough road as it is, I can only imagine they do not want two bits of DC with S2 in between so are pushing this. But to do this before Midleton - Youghal bridge is bad enough, to suggest it with Midleton - Youghal bridge not even being considered at all is a bit ridiculous.

Waterford to Glenmore wouldn't take that long to build so maybe thats the thinking. Knock that out asap and then move on to bigger ones.

Carawaystick · 05-01-2019 11:40pm

road_high wrote: »

Also Glenmore to Waterford bypass is pie in the sky as there are dozens of schemes more critical that need attention- this was completely upgraded early1990s- some other roads haven’t changed since the 1950s... The N25 in west Waterford and co cork itself being prime examples.

Glenmore to Rosbercon was built in the early 90s, the other direction to Slieverue was only widened, the schemes joined round where the tractor and Ag machinery place at the top of the hill

Re the wire barriers, is there any evidence of bikers being killed by the wire? I'd imagine sliding and hitting a pole under Armco would have serious repercussions also

marno21 · 06-01-2019 12:31am

Carawaystick wrote: »

Glenmore to Rosbercon was built in the early 90s, the other direction to Slieverue was only widened, the schemes joined round where the tractor and Ag machinery place at the top of the hill

Re the wire barriers, is there any evidence of bikers being killed by the wire? I'd imagine sliding and hitting a pole under Armco would have serious repercussions also

The section between the new N25 roundabout and Rosbercon is massive, serious width along there. You could easily fit in a dual carriageway around where the overbridge is. It'll be some standard of regional road when complete.

josip · 06-01-2019 12:33am

marno21 wrote: »

The section between the new N25 roundabout and Rosbercon is massive, serious width along there. You could easily fit in a dual carriageway around where the overbridge is. It'll be some standard of regional road when complete.

Will the speed limit be reduced to 80km/h so?

marno21 · 06-01-2019 12:34am

josip wrote: »

Will the speed limit be reduced to 80km/h so?

At the discretion of Kilkenny County Council.

makowski · 08-01-2019 10:28pm

m17 wrote: »

It will be November 2019 before this bridge opens there now six months behind on progress

Considering that the Glenmore roundabout and surrounding roadworks was to be completed and Road Works Speed Limit order was to removed in May 2018, and still no sign of it be concluded and removed, I am not entirely surprised.

josip · 09-01-2019 12:35am

m17 wrote: »

It will be November 2019 before this bridge opens there now six months behind on progress

Any reason given for what's a fairly significant slippage?
The weather hasn't been any worse than would be expected since construction started, even better than would be expected I think.
And they're using that traveller system for the actual bridge construction which is supposed to make construction very fast according to their marketing?

allthedoyles · 09-01-2019 1:21am

josip · 27-01-2019 1:31am

From Saturday night

m17 · 27-01-2019 5:55pm

The new ross bypass Jan 2019

m17 · 04-02-2019 5:20pm

The rfk bridge 04/02/2019

allthedoyles · 09-02-2019 8:08pm

The Bridge today

eagerv · 09-02-2019 8:26pm

Have they reopened the road at the Pink Rock?

Frostybrew · 10-02-2019 12:20am

Slightly off topic question, was the Pink Rock road originally part of the N25 back in the late 1970s and 80s? I travelled the road back in 1982 on the way to the ferry and remember it being a narrow enough winding road that you from which you could see the Barrow. I know that a new stretch of road was constructed in this area in the late 80s or 90s.

josip · 10-02-2019 1:31am

Frostybrew wrote: »

Slightly off topic question, was the Pink Rock road originally part of the N25 back in the late 1970s and 80s? I travelled the road back in 1982 on the way to the ferry and remember it being a narrow enough winding road that you from which you could see the Barrow. I know that a new stretch of road was constructed in this area in the late 80s or 90s.

Yes, it was the N25 until I think 1990 when the new part was constructed as far as the bottom of Glenmore Hill.
The road was originally laid down in 1910 if my grand uncle remembered correctly.
Also during the 70s and 80s the river shipping channel hadn't been straightened and the ships sailed very close to the road.
The best part of the road by the pink rock back then was 'The Hamburger Lady' who sold out of a caravan.
She actually lived directly opposite of where she sold, Stewarts on the Wexford side.

Frostybrew · 10-02-2019 2:39am

josip wrote: »

Yes, it was the N25 until I think 1990 when the new part was constructed as far as the bottom of Glenmore Hill.
The road was originally laid down in 1910 if my grand uncle remembered correctly.
Also during the 70s and 80s the river shipping channel hadn't been straightened and the ships sailed very close to the road.
The best part of the road by the pink rock back then was 'The Hamburger Lady' who sold out of a caravan.
She actually lived directly opposite of where she sold, Stewarts on the Wexford side.

Thanks for the info. Hard to believe that such a narrow road could have once been a national primary route.

Cookiemunster · 10-02-2019 10:32am

Frostybrew wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Hard to believe that such a narrow road could have once been a national primary route.

Try driving the current N20! The sections south of Croom and Buttevant haven't changed in over a century. There's still plenty of awful substandard national primary roads around.

Chris_5339762 · 10-02-2019 11:05am

At the risk of derailing the thread slightly, don't forget the hairpins near Dungarvan, which were only replaced in the late 80s as well.

https://goo.gl/maps/UBkX4cgMQKn

https://goo.gl/maps/RuJhL1jPDsD2

They were the best bit of any trip to Rosslare for the ferry.

Frostybrew · 10-02-2019 12:31pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Try driving the current N20! The sections south of Croom and Buttevant haven't changed in over a century. There's still plenty of awful substandard national primary roads around.

Lol, A valid point. The pink rock stretch looks incredibly narrow though, possibly due to more overgrowth on the edges of the road since it was detrunked or possibly a quirk of the google street viewer.

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

At the risk of derailing the thread slightly, don't forget the hairpins near Dungarvan, which were only replaced in the late 80s as well.

https://goo.gl/maps/UBkX4cgMQKn

https://goo.gl/maps/RuJhL1jPDsD2

They were the best bit of any trip to Rosslare for the ferry.

Yes these were great, as is the view from the top of the climb. These bends were bypassed in 1992.

eagerv · 10-02-2019 2:01pm

eagerv wrote: »

Have they reopened the road at the Pink Rock?

Answering my own question.:)
Just went out to the Pink Rock for a look..

No it hasn't reopened yet, but old road has been rebuilt (Under new Bridge) and surfaced.

perrier · 11-02-2019 5:02pm

convert wrote:

It really comes down to you and whether you think it's worth it to have exclusivity of the venue for your big day, and if you really think the venue is perfect otherwise, and other costs come within budget.

convert wrote:

It's not very uncommon. That happened to us at Kilkea Castle, where nothing was mentioned about the venue hire fee when chatting by phone or email, but was mentioned when we met them. We wouldn't have gone down had we known as it put it way over budget, but gave us something to think about when talking to other venues.

Chris_5339762 wrote:

They were the best bit of any trip to Rosslare for the ferry.

Chris_5339762 wrote:

At the risk of derailing the thread slightly, don't forget the hairpins near Dungarvan, which were only replaced in the late 80s as well.

Hi just wondering where these bends are located.

josip · 11-02-2019 5:15pm

perrier wrote: »

Hi just wondering where these bends are located.

A little bit out the Youghal road, rising up the hill.

You can see on a map how the old hairpin is inside the new wider hairpin.

https://goo.gl/maps/GNKZRjPQ1up

perrier · 11-02-2019 7:58pm

josip wrote: »

A little bit out the Youghal road, rising up the hill.

You can see on a map how the old hairpin is inside the new wider hairpin.

https://goo.gl/maps/GNKZRjPQ1up

Thanks

padraig.od · 12-02-2019 12:04pm

I used to love those hairpins. Great fun when we were kids, rolling around the back seat

allthedoyles · 13-02-2019 1:18am

Munurty · 13-02-2019 6:40pm

There is a great view of the new bridge when heading Westbound on the new N25.

The road goes through a big rock cut and when you emerge a great view of the bridge from a nice angle comes out of nowhere.

Another thing I noticed is the tower crane on the western side has been taken down. Looking back at previous pics it seems to have disappeared sometime in December.

Harry Palmr · 13-02-2019 6:44pm

Great pic, if you squint it nearly looks finished!

Frostybrew · 13-02-2019 7:09pm

Munurty wrote: »

There is a great view of the new bridge when heading Westbound on the new N25.

The road goes through a big rock cut and when you emerge a great view of the bridge from a nice angle comes out of nowhere.

Another thing I noticed is the tower crane on the western side has been taken down. Looking back at previous pics it seems to have disappeared sometime in December.

That looks great. Used to love crossing the Severn Bridge going on holidays to England back in the 80s. Good to see we have something more comparable here now, and for a modest enough price as well.

Chris_5339762 · 13-02-2019 8:57pm

Ooo now that looks like a tasty approach to the bridge. Are you working on the site or did you get chased off soon after?

m17 · 14-02-2019 1:15pm

The rfk bridge April 18 - February 19 by insta_mavic

skodacb · 14-02-2019 7:44pm

Quick picture I nabbed today on my travels, sorry it's not the best of quality. Cables are being installed, so far 2 cables on the middle span and 1 cable on the New Ross side.

Also the right/left turn for the pink rock( https://goo.gl/maps/fmTxddpu1MS2 ) is longer as it's been filled in with rock and earth fully covering the length and width of the road.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-02-2019 8:08pm

road_high · 14-02-2019 8:15pm

Frostybrew wrote: »

Slightly off topic question, was the Pink Rock road originally part of the N25 back in the late 1970s and 80s? I travelled the road back in 1982 on the way to the ferry and remember it being a narrow enough winding road that you from which you could see the Barrow. I know that a new stretch of road was constructed in this area in the late 80s or 90s.

Really? That was the N25? Jesus look how narrow it is. Hard to believe

road_high · 14-02-2019 8:43pm

Someone should write a history of Irelands N roads, fascinating how they've changed.

josip · 14-02-2019 9:08pm

road_high wrote: »

Really? That was the N25? Jesus look how narrow it is. Hard to believe

The sides have grown in a lot in fairness.
The old white line can still be seen in a few places

https://goo.gl/maps/n6MDfSDRk2U2

Any HGVs, or lorries as they were called back then, going under the county road bridge leaned on the horn for a good 10 seconds while they swung wide to go under the centre of the bridge. Great entertainment watching it from above on the railway, especially when a car from the other side didn't hear/heed the horn.

https://goo.gl/maps/XGg9KoUhpr92

At that time, boatloads of Japanese cars used to land in Ross, perhaps because of the strike at Waterford port.
Anyways, the car transports heading south couldn't fit under the bridges. So they had to go the back road.
If you thought the pink rock was bad...

https://goo.gl/maps/hv3Vf436YRp

Harry Palmr · 15-02-2019 12:05am

I knew that road pretty well when it was little more than a glorified boreen - you really can't get two HGV's past one another on parts of it now. Astonishing to recall it being technically part of a Euro Route! The current N25 which is of course itself changing significantly right now was built in the mid 80s.

N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

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