Six year sentence for the rape of two children

bear1 wrote: »

Concurrect - 3 years per victim plus 5 year supervision afterwards annnndd sexual offenders therapy..

Consecutive, not concurrent. He got 6 years.

another very very light sentence. . what woukd the max sentence under law be ?

Deleted User wrote: »

I haven't actually excused this sentence at all, but...


...at least I see what seems to be really bothering you with the analysis of me.

Well I will admit I don't like your political allegiances.
You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep and the people they support

Deleted User wrote: »

Either way, I believe the garlic importer got what he deserved. To suggest it is a yardstick by which all other sentences must be measured is invalid.

If the garlic smuggler got what he deserved then what does an attempted murderer deserve and what does the child abuser deserve ?

Lets be honest and tell us what you think they should have gotten.

BTW it provides a useful yardstick to measure how our justice system measures the lives of the citizens it supposedly protects.

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

9 life sentences for rape in 2014, the vast majority of rapes ended in prison time no suspension and the usual sentence imposed being at least 10 years in that year 2 sentences fully suspended and at least one of them overturned on appeal. So in numbers 9 times more people got life than a suspended sentence.

Life sentences in Ireland are a joke.
Lets call a spade a spade and drop the "life" connotation.
Life does not mean anywhere near Life.
It has shag all to do with a prisoners natural life as in the USA.

A capital murder, murder of a Garda (prison officer ?), was meant to carry a 40 year sentence.
In 2013 the Supreme court allowed capital murderers to get 25 per cent remission normally afforded to other prisoners.
Another fooking joke.

In 2014 it was found by NUI study that the average time lifers spent in jail was up to around 20 years.
In the 1970s/1980s it was around 7.5 years.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/average-
life-sentence-up-to-two-decades-from-7-years-in-1980s-1.2181655

In 2015, there were around 350 people serving life sentences.

The only prisoners I remember seeing anywhere near hefty sentences were John Shaw & Geoffrey Evans, Jimmy Ennis, Noel Callan & Michael McHugh, Colm O’Shea & Patrick McCann and Malcolm McArthur.

A life sentence in Ireland varies from 13 to 20 years AFAIK.

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

So you think a life sentence for rape is low?

How long did attempted murderer, kidnapper and rapist larry murphy get again ?
Oh and why does a prisoner automatically get remission ?
Oh yeah it is for good behaviour and not re-offending.

I mean isn't it expected that he could not re-offend in jail ?

Deleted User wrote: »

I get the feeling I am being stalked.

Hmmmm. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this. The forum has afaik rules about dragging in references to other threads.

I'll decline to answer, on the basis that no doubt you'll keep coming back about the political stuff that motivates your personal campaign.

Bit tacky using the rape of kids as your cloak to have a go though.

Jaysus take a look at my posting history if you want.

You will find me on lots of threads discussing lenient sentences in Ireland.

In fact one of big bugbares has been how for instance Manuela Reido could still be alive if not for the decisions of a couple of judges and our criminal justice system letting out prisoners early.

You just happen to be on this thread and maybe some others.
I actually couldn't give a cr** if you are or not, just try and answer my questions about whether you agree the sentence in this case and some others were too lenient.

BTW I have posted on your other thread about flags and I even agree with you.
So better shoot me now before the next thing i know i am wandering around in a Kerry jersey quoting Pat Spillane or something equally scary.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe I wasn't clear. My point is that the judge could have given the guy six years on each charge, to run concurrently. Instead he choose to give him three years on each, to run consecutively. While on the face of things, the sentences seem equivalent, I'm sure there must be an angle here.

Consecutive sentences are not the norm in Ireland and two concurrent six year sentences would have looked better, so why did the judge choose the three year consecutive option?

I suspect there are some (even softer) implications from the consecutive option.

Apologies, I missed the "six in the sentence. I thought you were asking 3 years CC vrs 3 years CS.
It's a good question. I'm not sure if there is a difference beyond the obvious clerical one.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Is the leniency or not of sentences based almost entirely on mitigating circumstances, particularly sexual offences.

The judge takes into account your level of remorse (entirely possibly to fake), previous good character, level of co-operation with the gardai, commitment to reform programs, home circumstances, eg possibly a carer and so on and so forth.

I don't agree with it myself as many of these mitigating circumstances are bogus and seem to favour the perpetrator more than the victim.

Aren't some or most judges directly elected in the US for example? Would there be anything to be said for this, ie a judge who is directly answerable to an electorate and so imposes penalties the community agrees with.

Mitigating circumstances clearly aren't followed consistently i.e. scumbags with countless previous convictions getting suspended sentences, surely mitigating factors should work against them also and these people should get longer sentences.