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Gender neutral kids clothing

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  • #32
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Jack Killian wrote: »
    Just checked the photos in that; aside from looking ridiculous the leggings look like a chav who's going to the shop in her pyjamas.

    Oh my, we don't want our tough masculine sons looking like poor women!

    Parents' association, assemble!
    Jack Killian wrote: »
    People who say that [my] "gender is fluid"

    There's a big leap between saying that gender is fluid and someone only believes they're male or female.

    Saying that gender is fluid is simply saying that all people have the potential to combine some elements of stereotypical male and female characteristics. Surely you wouldn't disagree with that.


  • #33
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    stefanovich wrote: »
    True, I'm all for choice but what I am saying is the gender fluid ideology is not just about choice. They are defining their own language and trying to change things in society.

    I very much think it is an attack on the male. What's weird is that women generally go for the masculine man but they also push this crap.

    So what are you saying? Should all children's clothing be clearly defined male or female?


  • #34
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I think this is very much about feminisation of men.

    Isn't it the destruction of gender identity rather than feminisation of men?

    Most people who promote this kind of stuff wouldn't really like a Marilyn Monroe type of glamour woman either, as they would see her as a prisoner of the role society has defined for her as a woman.


  • #35
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    eviltwin wrote: »
    So what are you saying? Should all children's clothing be clearly defined male or female?

    Well not in all cases but I certainly think it's worked for 1000s of years. This clothing line is not about a floral shirt, it's a political message and it gives legitimacy to this mental crowd of people.

    The same types who get offended by literally everything.

    I think it is a deliberate assault against men by radical feminism and cultural Marxists.


  • #36
    jimmy blevins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭jimmy blevins


    Mao suits for all


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  • #37
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    It's another marketing campaign for another celebrity endorsed line of products that will be overpriced and a bit naff.

    My son wears some off pinks and purples because they work well with his skin tone. Daughter inherited some of his clothes but mostly they don't work for her because he is broad and tall and she is small and slight. Whatever is handy. And there is nothing wrong with pink, our daughter loves it, but goes mental if she is called a princess and explains to everyone that she is just a little girl.

    Why do people think they have to create some elaborate philosophy around rearing their kids when they should host go with the flow.


  • #38
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Well not in all cases but I certainly think it's worked for 1000s of years. This clothing line is not about a floral shirt, it's a political message and it gives legitimacy to this mental crowd of people.

    The same types who get offended by literally everything.

    I think it is a deliberate assault against men by radical feminism and cultural Marxists.

    Clothing has never been so strictly defined though. Boys have always had more options than blue. Teenagers especially have always blurred gender lines. You're not being forced to buy this stuff but don't claim those who do have a sinister agenda.


  • #39
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Have a read

    Opinions? Going too far?

    In my opinion another step towards the cultural castration of men.


    It's marketing, plain and simple. It's selling a product that some people will want to buy, and some people won't. I didn't see how it was gender neutral so much as it's aimed at the set of parents who think it's cute to dress their children identical to the way they dress. Ironically the author of that saccharine filled shìte article calls this "authentic". Clearly she's already sold on the idea, I can't say I am though, and it's not something I'd really get worked up over or label it the cultural castration of men.


  • #40
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    My daughter wore dresses and played with dolls my son wears violent superheroe t shirts and likes to play with toy guns

    by today's whack job standards I am probably classed as a bad parent


  • #41
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    It's marketing, plain and simple. It's selling a product that some people will want to buy, and some people won't. I didn't see how it was gender neutral so much as it's aimed at the set of parents who think it's cute to dress their children identical to the way they dress. Ironically the author of that saccharine filled shìte article calls this "authentic". Clearly she's already sold on the idea, I can't say I am though, and it's not something I'd really get worked up over or label it the cultural castration of men.

    It's being marketed as "gender fluid" so it is very much aimed at these types and gives further legitimacy to their nonsense.


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  • #42
    Jack Killian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Jack Killian


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Oh my, we don't want our tough masculine sons looking like poor women!

    Parents' association, assemble!

    Never said anything as remotely sexist as that, so I'd appreciate if you kept your ridiculous projections to yourself.

    A dog is not a cat. That doesn't require a "poor" to be put in italics before either the dog or the cat.
    There's a big leap between saying that gender is fluid and someone only believes they're male or female.

    Saying that gender is fluid is simply saying that all people have the potential to combine some elements of stereotypical male and female characteristics. Surely you wouldn't disagree with that.

    Rubbish. There was never that many "stereotypical male or female" people to begin with (the clue is in the word "stereotype") and I do not need a new trendy label to somehow define that I am neither an arrogant warmongering macho can't-cook male prick nor a woman who loves shopping and high heels or cries at chick-flicks.

    I am me. I don't need a label.

    "Fluid" implies that it can move arbitrarily at any time. It can't.


  • #43
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    My daughter wore dresses and played with dolls my son wears violent superheroe t shirts and likes to play with toy guns

    by today's whack job standards I am probably classed as a bad parent

    Very few people would say that, especially if that's what they wanted to wear.

    People are really reading too much into all this.

    All people are saying is Don't feel pressured into buying your children clothes solely based on conforming to an expectation of their gender, be conscious of who they are and what they want.


  • #44
    Jack Killian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Jack Killian


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Very few people would say that, especially if that's what they wanted to wear.

    People are really reading too much into all this.

    All people are saying is Don't feel pressured into buying your children clothes solely based on conforming to an expectation of their gender, be conscious of who they are and what they want.

    Don't buy them veg or fruit either; they probably "want" McDonalds.


  • #45
    Turtle_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Turtle_


    My mum used to dress my brother and I in matching "gender neutral" clothing... Blue jeans and matching white ribbed t-shirts is the outfit I remember most clearly.. See that's gender neutral. Putting a boy in a dress isn't gender neutral, it's putting a boy in clothes that are culturally female...

    Mind you, it not that long ago that any trousers were mens clothes!


  • #46
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I think good start is avoiding superhero/frozen prints. Not because of the message but because most are awful design and a few Euro more expensive than comparable quality without the tacky prints.


  • #47
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    stefanovich wrote: »
    it's a political message and it gives legitimacy to this mental crowd of people.

    The same types who get offended by literally everything.

    I think it is a deliberate assault against men by radical feminism and cultural Marxists.

    The lack of self-awareness in your posts is unbelievable.

    The clothes are a political message from the cultural marxists, but it's others who easily offended.


  • #48
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    stefanovich wrote: »
    It's being marketed as "gender fluid" so it is very much aimed at these types and gives further legitimacy to their nonsense.


    Nobody is being forced to give anything further legitimacy though, that's the thing. Some people are going to buy this stuff, and most people aren't. If I'm not buying it, and you're not buying it, that's two people less who aren't putting money in this fashion designers pockets. I'll stick to dressing my son in clothes that I want him to wear and I don't have to give a damn about what anyone else chooses to consider legitimate choices they make for their children.

    By pointing out this sort of stuff, ironically you're giving it legitimacy!!


  • #49
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    osarusan wrote: »
    The lack of self-awareness in your posts is unbelievable.

    The clothes are a political message from the cultural marxists, but it's others who easily offended.

    I'm not easily offended. It takes full on cultural assault to offend me.
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Nobody is being forced to give anything further legitimacy though, that's the thing. Some people are going to buy this stuff, and most people aren't. If I'm not buying it, and you're not buying it, that's two people less who aren't putting money in this fashion designers pockets. I'll stick to dressing my son in clothes that I want him to wear and I don't have to give a damn about what anyone else chooses to consider legitimate choices they make for their children.

    By pointing out this sort of stuff, ironically you're giving it legitimacy!!
    It's all over the internet these days though. Can we not identify problems and point them out?


  • #50
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    stefanovich wrote: »
    It's being marketed as "gender fluid"
    When I hear the term "gender fluid" my first thought is of the sticky end of porn flics.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #51
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Wibbs wrote: »
    When I hear the term "gender fluid" my first thought is of the sticky end of porn flics.

    Or melty testicles


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  • #52
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    stefanovich wrote: »
    It's all over the internet these days though. Can we not identify problems and point them out?


    The problem here appears to be that you can't separate the virtual world, from the real world. This isn't identifying a problem, it's actively looking for something to be worried about! It's chicken licken type stuff. They're not making lizard people or any of the rest of it, they're selling a lifestyle, and they're hoping to cash in on some people's idealism. It's capitalism, not marxism!


  • #53
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Or melty testicles


    What the...

    :pac:


  • #54
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I'm not easily offended.
    I beg to differ.


  • #55
    Bob24
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Nobody is being forced to give anything further legitimacy though, that's the thing. Some people are going to buy this stuff, and most people aren't. If I'm not buying it, and you're not buying it, that's two people less who aren't putting money in this fashion designers pockets. I'll stick to dressing my son in clothes that I want him to wear and I don't have to give a damn about what anyone else chooses to consider legitimate choices they make for their children.

    By pointing out this sort of stuff, ironically you're giving it legitimacy!!

    There is a strong ideological and political movement behind this though. And it is not just personal choice at home they are looking for.

    Today you are rightly telling him no one is forcing him to buy these clothes for his kids.

    But what will you say when a government wants to teach the concept of gender fluidity to his kids in primary schools? (as what happened in France and was partly pushed back for this time)

    Or when he is requested by law to share men denominated toilets with a woman who that day identifies herself as a man but could be feeling like a woman again the next day. (current debate in the US)

    Then he will be forced.


  • #56
    MadDog76
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    But gender is fluid.

    Except that it's not ........... if your child has a penis, then he's your son and he's a boy .......... that's how it works.

    If your teenage (15/16/17) son starts questioning his sexual identity then he is old enough to explore that side of himself at that stage.


  • #57
    stefanovich
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Except that it's not ........... if your child has a penis, then he's your son and he's a boy .......... that's how it works.

    If your teenage (15/16/17) son starts questioning his sexual identity then he is old enough to explore that side of himself at that stage.

    Exactly. He could be a gay man that likes wearing women's clothes but it doesn't make him a woman.


  • #58
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    This kind of nonsense does not bother me, clothes are clothes.
    I do, however, find the concept of gender fluidity very strange. To each their own, I just find it strange.


  • #59
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Exactly. He could be a gay man that likes wearing women's clothes but it doesn't make him a woman.

    So what. It's not like world will end if someone uses toilets of opposite gender.

    Edit: Quoted wrong post, it was meant as a reply to stuff about toilets.


  • #60
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Very few people would say that, especially if that's what they wanted to wear.

    People are really reading too much into all this.

    All people are saying is Don't feel pressured into buying your children clothes solely based on conforming to an expectation of their gender, be conscious of who they are and what they want.

    What a load of b*llocks ......... there is no "pressure" to dress your son in boys clothes or your daughter in girls clothes, there seems to be a growing pressure not to dress your children based on their actual gender ............ my son is a boy and he will wear the boys clothes that I buy for him, I will not be discussing "gender fluidity" with my 4 year old son for at least another 10-12 years, if ever.


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  • #61
    emo72
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    Sometimes you read a thread like this and you start questioning your sanity on a Sunday morning. Why did i even read this thread? I'm a fool. Switch off your devices lads and go off out into the sun.


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