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Never-employed guy with 6 kids refuses accommodation provided by council in favour of

  • 04-06-2016 02:35PM
    #1
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/family-opts-to-squat-after-rejecting-house-offered-by-council-1.2672122

    Anyone see this story in today's Irish Times.
    I'm aware that this story has a lot of Daily Mail-ish hot button aspects to it (Traveller, welfare lifer, sense of entitlement etc) and i would try to see the nuance but just reading it, I asked myself the simple common sense question "why did he have 6 kids if he never worked".

    This is a shocking level of entitlement IMO.
    Admittedly i'm biased in the sense of having to work hard and have half my pay go on taxes only to pay through the nose for every tiny aspect of my life while never looking for support but FFS.


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  • #2
    Edward Hopper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 713 ✭✭✭Edward Hopper


    In favour of what? OF WHAT dagnabit?


  • #3
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,037 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    Edward Hopper wrote: »
    In favour of what? OF WHAT dagnabit?

    Fully expected the Eastenders theme tune to play when opened thread. ..


  • #4
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    take everything wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/family-opts-to-squat-after-rejecting-house-offered-by-council-1.2672122

    Anyone see this story in today's Irish Times.
    I'm aware that this story has a lot of Daily Mail-ish hot button aspects to it (Traveller, welfare lifer, sense of entitlement etc) and i would try to see the nuance but just reading it, I asked myself the simple common sense question "why did he have 6 kids if he never worked".

    This is a shocking level of entitlement IMO.
    Admittedly i'm biased in the sense of having to work hard and have half my pay go on taxes only to pay through the nose for every tiny aspect of my life while never looking for support but FFS.

    Never mind having 6 kids. They broke into a house that wasn't theirs and are happily living there for nearly two months! WTF??


  • #5
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Well, in fairness the council offered accommodation doesn't sound the best for a family with young children. On the other hand don't councils take previous squatting into account when deciding on offering housing? I know my local one does. If he ends up out on his ear in a few weeks time then he'll be at the back of the council list once more and in a worse position than he was.


  • #6
    BrokenArrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    Oh Ireland. What a joke.
    Hes getting €490 a week from the government and breaks into someone's house and he isn't being arrested?


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  • #7
    bigroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭bigroad


    He is not doing too bad with his 500 euro per week.
    A lot of people working their backside off to come home with that money.


  • #8
    HiJacques
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭HiJacques


    I blame the government... and the bankers.


  • #9
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While the house offered doesn't seem suitable, for me the interesting thing about the article is the amount of money he's getting from Welfare every week! Shur, why would he work!

    "Doyle is an intelligent, articulate and able-bodied man, but he has never had a job, something he attributes to his illiteracy.
    “I’m unemployable. Disability, learning disability; reading and writing,” he says. “I’m on the disability. I’m getting €490 a week. That’s everything. You have to try to do your best with that few hundred you get.”
    Private house
    Would he like a job? “I’d love a job, yeah. I’d love to get an income. It would take a while to get used to [a job], wouldn’t it?” he says."


  • #10
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    bigroad wrote: »
    He is not doing too bad with his 500 euro per week.
    A lot of people working their backside off to come home with that money.

    €500 per week plus no accommodation expenses!


  • #11
    Chorcai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Chorcai


    "I’m getting €490 a week. That’s everything. You have to try to do your best with that few hundred you get.” says it all really, break into a house, get nearly 500euro a week, no rent, etc all becaues it's apart of our culture boss.


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  • #12
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,667 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    For me the worst aspect of the article is that the 17 yo son is living with his girlfriend, no doubt the cycle is about to begin again with the next generation.


  • #13
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    €500 per week plus no accommodation expenses!

    He is on significantly more money than I am. I am working today as I do 40 hours a week. This can't be right?


  • #14
    bigroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭bigroad


    What did Big Leo say the other day was it, make work pay...
    With that level of social welfare and a nice house for 40 odd quid a week ,Leo will have a mountain to climb.


  • #15
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,327 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Would that include his partner's money too?
    €500 a week seems high.


  • #16
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    WAIT A MINUTE, THAT HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE WHEELS


  • #17
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    WAIT A MINUTE

    That house doesn't HAVE WHEELS


    "The Doyles are Travellers, although they have been settled for all of their lives. "



    So not travelers then?


  • #18
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    FortySeven wrote: »
    He is on significantly more money than I am. I am working today as I do 40 hours a week. This can't be right?

    After paying my mortgage I am left with 272 a week. I also have kids. I also have a disability if I wanted to let it stop me working. Pretty sure it could be classed as a learning disability too. I work anyway.

    This man is a tit, he can't expect people to not be angry. Feckin scum.


  • #19
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    FortySeven wrote: »
    He is on significantly more money than I am. I am working today as I do 40 hours a week. This can't be right?

    Sucker!! It is completely right, and you are neither a Nazi fascist or a capitalist pig to feel hard done by.

    But, it is only 25K a year for him. Every asylum seeker case costs the state €36K/year.

    So this guy is actually a good deal!


  • #20
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Would that include his partner's money too?
    €500 a week seems high.

    They get an allowance for each child as well as their own payments.


  • #21
    ZeitgeistGlee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭ZeitgeistGlee


    Because nobody has ever had to compromise where they might like to live for the sake of what they can afford. :rolleyes:


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  • #22
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    FortySeven wrote: »
    After paying my mortgage I am left with 272 a week. I also have kids. I also have a disability if I wanted to let it stop me working. Pretty sure it could be classed as a learning disability too. I work anyway.

    This man is a tit, he can't expect people to not be angry. Feckin scum.

    Well now you know what to do....you'll nearly double your weekly net disposable income!


  • #23
    Panthro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    dissed doc wrote: »
    Sucker!! It is completely right, and you are neither a Nazi fascist or a capitalist pig to feel hard done by.

    But, it is only 25K a year for him. Every asylum seeker case costs the state €36K/year.

    So this guy is actually a good deal!

    Orr..a complete waster.


  • #24
    HiJacques
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭HiJacques


    FortySeven wrote: »
    After paying my mortgage I am left with 272 a week. I also have kids. I also have a disability if I wanted to let it stop me working. Pretty sure it could be classed as a learning disability too. I work anyway.

    The system is completely screwed where someone like you who endeavours isn't much better off than a scrounger. I think most people would accept higher taxes if they thought it was going to help people like you rather than subsidising the other guy.


  • #25
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Conall Cernach wrote: »
    Well, in fairness the council offered accommodation doesn't sound the best for a family with young children. On the other hand don't councils take previous squatting into account when deciding on offering housing? I know my local one does. If he ends up out on his ear in a few weeks time then he'll be at the back of the council list once more and in a worse position than he was.

    then maybe he should buy/rent his own house an not expect the council to provide him with accommodation.

    Beggars can't be choosers.


  • #26
    McDermotX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    It's a magnificent article, if only for this gem

    "At night, he parked the 4X4 where he could – “on the banks of canals, rivers, anywhere” "

    Overall it's nuanced enough to appear impartial and presenting both sides factually, but leaves a hand grenade in there like that to really angry up the blood.

    Anyway, on my way into work for the next 5 nights.........like a mug, apparently.


  • #27
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bigroad wrote: »
    He is not doing too bad with his 500 euro per week.
    A lot of people working their backside off to come home with that money.

    I work full time and make less than that after tax. Its absolutely sickening to read that he get that much and gets away with breaking into someone else's house.


  • #28
    PLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭PLL


    Don't forget to add €840 a month (€210 a week) child allowance on top of that.


  • #29
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    PLL wrote: »
    Don't forget to add €840 a month (€210 a week) child allowance on top of that.

    Would you shut up, some of us are working here! :)


  • #30
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,327 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Lovely

    http://www.shannonside.ie/news/ballymahon-man-faces-indecent-exposure-charges/


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  • #31
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Kick them out of the house they broke into and them kick them off the housing list permanently
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