New 100-115hp loader tractor

mythos110 · 01-06-2016 11:49AM #1

Hi All,

I have a fair bit of machinery at home but recently I have considered upgrading one of the older tractors for something a bit more modern. I would consider trading in one of 2 tractors:
- A '00 Renault Temis (105hp/6 cyl) all manual with loader and approx. 5500 hrs. Never given any real trouble and getting its second clutch shortly. A good reliable tractor that starts every time and has hardly ever let me down. A bit awkward with forward swinging doors and all manual gears/pto with hand clutch etc.

- A '03 Landini Mythos 110. (110hp/6cyl) Manual Fwd/Rev. Elect pto switch <3000 hours. Lovely tractor to drive, draw silage, top, fertilizer etc. Gives lots of bother with small bits and pieces like springs. Can be very slow to start on occasion. Splitter gear recently gone so needs to be split. Clutch went at just 1100 hrs. As I said, much nicer than the Renault to drive but just less reliable.

What would people recommend as a good replacement for either of these. Personally I like Valtra as I have driven earlier 50 series and early T models and like the layout and durability. Something like an N113 would be my preference.

By the way, this consideration is purely for tax purposes so lets assume that I will definitely get rid of one of the above. (I may decide not to and invest my money much more wisely elsewhere so please no suggestions on just keeping what I have and investing in stock or something as this is a hypothetical situation and I'll make my ultimate decision at a later date!!!)

Timmaay · 01-06-2016 10:22PM

3 clutches in them few hours? I've a landini vision with 8500hrs and one clutch over its lifetime (at 6k or so), we are always careful enough in and out of pits etc, and keep the clutch adjusted to always have an inch of free play.

On the new tractor, I'm far from the person to give suggestions ha, however the landini 5h seemed to be a very good value tractor, came with a landini loader which was basically a trima/quickie with landini stickers, just make sure ya avoid the horrific tiny rear tires on the budget spec model, and make sure it has an electric shuttle (don't know if they come with the chappy manual cable shuttle anymore?). I had the chance to trade in my vision for a 5h 3years back and considering how much mine has depreciated and how much more expensive new tractors are now I'm sorry I didn't go for it at the time, would have been useful depreciation on the books, but cash was tight at the time.

mythos110 · 01-06-2016 10:40PM

Timmaay wrote: »

3 clutches in them few hours? I've a landini vision with 8500hrs and one clutch over its lifetime (at 6k or so), we are always careful enough in and out of pits etc, and keep the clutch adjusted to always have an inch of free play.

On the new tractor, I'm far from the person to give suggestions ha, however the landini 5h seemed to be a very good value tractor, came with a landini loader which was basically a trima/quickie with landini stickers, just make sure ya avoid the horrific tiny rear tires on the budget spec model, and make sure it has an electric shuttle (don't know if they come with the chappy manual cable shuttle anymore?). I had the chance to trade in my vision for a 5h 3years back and considering how much mine has depreciated and how much more expensive new tractors are now I'm sorry I didn't go for it at the time, would have been useful depreciation on the books, but cash was tight at the time.

Getting a landini on demo over d summer so we'll see what she's made of. Its usually my ould lad that drives the renault to be fair and he wouldnt be the best to mind the clutch. Shes literally doing loader work for 95% of its hours. Worked as a mechanic myself for a while too so would keep clutch adjusted fairly right but only so much u can do!

Jaysus Christ · 01-06-2016 10:46PM

Landini are tractors fisherprice make.

Buy once, buy right, buy a Deere.

mythos110 · 01-06-2016 10:59PM

Jaysus Christ wrote: »

Landini are tractors fisherprice make.

Buy once, buy right, buy a Deere.

What have you yourself to quantify that statement? Have heard lots of horror stories with the commonrail engines... Have driven a few troublesome deeres myself in the past. Not as bullet proof as some people like to think

farmerjj · 02-06-2016 09:07AM

Jaysus Christ wrote: »

Landini are tractors fisherprice make.

Buy once, buy right, buy a Deere.

Some sweeping statement there, but you have nothing to back it up?:rolleyes:

mahoney_j · 02-06-2016 09:17AM

farmerjj wrote: »

Some sweeping statement there, but you have nothing to back it up?:rolleyes:

Don't worry that poster makes lots of sweeping statements

visatorro · 02-06-2016 09:12PM

Did you decide to buy another tractor or go with a loader MJ?

Waffletraktor · 02-06-2016 09:40PM

mythos110 wrote: »

What have you yourself to quantify that statement? Have heard lots of horror stories with the commonrail engines... Have driven a few troublesome deeres myself in the past. Not as bullet proof as some people like to vthink

Other than emissions issues on 20/30 series engines they've been bullet proof. R series is well regarded their just getting too expensive and limit the m spec too much. A 50k running gear, suspensioned m series would be a popular machine rather than having to buy all the electrics add-on that never gets used.

MFdaveIreland · 02-06-2016 11:30PM

Slightly mad having a loader.on a 6cyl.tractor if u ask me unless ur working in a massove yard which most arebt Electric shuttle a must on modern loader work and good visibility. Mf and nh is a good call in ur power bracket. Deere fendt etc win in higher powered tractors.

mythos110 · 03-06-2016 06:38AM

MFdaveIreland wrote: »

Slightly mad having a loader.on a 6cyl.tractor if u ask me unless ur working in a massove yard which most arebt Electric shuttle a must on modern loader work and good visibility. Mf and nh is a good call in ur power bracket. Deere fendt etc win in higher powered tractors.

Was bought before i was making the purchasing decisions! At the time it was to be used for jobs like spreading slurry etc and with the ground here being pretty steep to stability of the 6 cyl was a major consideration. Its tidy enough in fairness and the yard is not too tight. Will def be going 4 cyl next time as have other machines to cope with the bigger stuff now.

mythos110 · 03-06-2016 06:41AM

A better way of putting the original question out there:
Has anyone bought a tractor in the last 2-3 years and in hindsight might have gone a different route? I know we all like to defend out own brands and the fact that we may have mis spent 60k plus isnt an easy thing to admit, but has anyone had any hassle with a relatively new tractor that they purchased and if so, what??

Grueller · 03-06-2016 09:18AM

mythos110 wrote: »

A better way of putting the original question out there:
Has anyone bought a tractor in the last 2-3 years and in hindsight might have gone a different route? I know we all like to defend out own brands and the fact that we may have mis spent 60k plus isnt an easy thing to admit, but has anyone had any hassle with a relatively new tractor that they purchased and if so, what??

I think that is a great question. A thread on problems people have had with machinery would be excellent. I genuinely do not understand the mindset that makes people defend a certain brand to the death. All brands have lemons the same as all brands have good machines. I have a neighbour here that has a MF 6480. He spends more time with his head in the back end of her than in the seat and yet he tries to tell everyone she is a great yoke. Defending a multi million pound corporation that is selling sub standard equipment to small businesses is a fallacy in my eyes.

stantheman1979 · 06-06-2016 08:31PM

Don't laugh but a neighbour bought a new tumasan. He just uses it for yard work and topping, slurry, etc and he loves it. Says its far gutsy and easy to manicure than the NH.It was very cheap and has a very basic cab but it's a nice little tractor.

rangler1 · 06-06-2016 08:52PM

stantheman1979 wrote: »

Don't laugh but a neighbour bought a new tumasan. He just uses it for yard work and topping, slurry, etc and he loves it. Says its far gutsy and easy to manicure than the NH.It was very cheap and has a very basic cab but it's a nice little tractor.

A neighbour has one too, never seems to stop going, handles a lot of bales, seems to be alright and they are cheap

f140 · 06-06-2016 10:23PM

stantheman1979 wrote: »

Don't laugh but a neighbour bought a new tumasan. He just uses it for yard work and topping, slurry, etc and he loves it. Says its far gutsy and easy to manicure than the NH.It was very cheap and has a very basic cab but it's a nice little tractor.

they might not be that bad afterwards. I bet the biggest problem is that the people who buy them just wont mind them. People who buy cheaper makes generally just don't mind them because they see them as disposable items- get 20 years out of a cheap machine and its money well spent.

I have a habit of buying the better brands but I am also very good at minding them. I keep everything in the shed. I bought a 10ft Kuhn mower brand new in 2000. Its still immaculate and like new. Granted it only cuts around 100 acres a year but its washed after each cut and oiled and back into the shed. Then I would oil it again twice throughout the winter while doing other implements aswell.

Reggie. · 06-06-2016 10:42PM

I'm going for the new 5H110 with loader

GERMAN ROCKS · 06-06-2016 10:48PM

Reggie. wrote: »

I'm going for the new 5H110 with loader

biggest problem will be that you will be married to it. Depreciation will be very high compared to the massey and it may be hard to trade it in as dealers might not want it. Similarly how will parts be to get in 20+ years time?

Reggie. · 06-06-2016 10:55PM

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

biggest problem will be that you will be married to it. Depreciation will be very high compared to the massey and it may be hard to trade it in as dealers might not want it. Similarly how will parts be to get in 20+ years time?

Its far ahead than the massey atm I think. That's hard for me to say. I think landini is underrated abd wouldn't be surprised if they start getting popular from next year. Mark my words the under dogs will become more popular. In fairness it has almost everything the big brands have and in some cases some extra features

Companies only have to produce parts for 20 yrs. I know this as certain parts are no longer manufactured by MF. You can still get all the parts for the blizzard from landini. They produce all parts for upto 30yrs

JD115m · 06-06-2016 10:56PM

Have a 151 John deere 6115m excellent tractor so far with front suspension definitely worth the extra cash up front.Clutch is also very smooth

Mf310 · 06-06-2016 10:58PM

Hahaha thered be a fair premium on that compared to the landini id say over 20k if not more

Limestone Cowboy · 06-06-2016 11:04PM

JD115m wrote: »

Have a 151 John deere 6115m excellent tractor so far with front suspension definitely worth the extra cash up front.Clutch is also very smooth

If imagine there's a gaping price difference between that and the landini. I know a fella that bought a 5115m with loader a few months ago for 60k and I thought it was very basic for the price of it. I'd imagine a 6115 would probably be another 15k along with that. Tractors are gone stupidly expensive especially the couple of bigger names.

JD115m · 06-06-2016 11:08PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

If imagine there's a gaping price difference between that and the landini. I know a fella that bought a 5115m with loader a few months ago for 60k and I thought it was very basic for the price of it. I'd imagine a 6115 would probably be another 15k along with that. Tractors are gone stupidly expensive especially the couple of bigger names.

Your not to far off in 65-70k but its a long term investment to make life easier

Limestone Cowboy · 06-06-2016 11:12PM

JD115m wrote: »

Your not to far off in 65-70k but its a long term investment to make life easier

Was there a loader on it for that? Not knocking you and I'd love to have one myself but don't think I could bring myself to part with that kinda money.

JD115m · 06-06-2016 11:22PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Was there a loader on it for that? Not knocking you and I'd love to have one myself but don't think I could bring myself to part with that kinda money.

Yep loader but no implements

sthilmick · 07-06-2016 07:26AM

Maybe it's me but I've got it bad for the N4 Valtra they are an expensive bit of kit to start off with but the N114 got 115hp + 10 hp boost +an eco mode it's got a 50 K box nice size of a machine not a huge Camel of a yoke in the yard but still a decent size. You will can spec it up for what you want including the factory fitted quickie loader reverse drive and the cleanest cab space I was in just felt airy without being huge. I saw the base model N104 at Grass and Muck and was impressed it's running the same engine as the 300 series fendt and they're know for engine hours plus the fins have a habit of doing things right

mythos110 · 07-06-2016 09:21AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Its far ahead than the massey atm I think. That's hard for me to say. I think landini is underrated abd wouldn't be surprised if they start getting popular from next year. Mark my words the under dogs will become more popular. In fairness it has almost everything the big brands have and in some cases some extra features

Companies only have to produce parts for 20 yrs. I know this as certain parts are no longer manufactured by MF. You can still get all the parts for the blizzard from landini. They produce all parts for upto 30yrs

The problem I have with my 03 Landini is as I said. It's a smashing tractor to drive but the reliability is poor considering it has less than 3k hours on the clock. Hopefully the current models have sorted that.

I'd find it very hard to let another one into the yard after the experience I've had. That being said, maybe it just happens to be a bad one or not being driven enough - 3k hrs isn't much per year over 13 years! The demo I'm getting over the summer will get a good trial before I make my mind up!

I've seen it before when a neighbour bought a new JD 6610 in 2002. It wouldn't pull the socks off a dead man. Changed injector pumps etc all to no avail. Typically, any other 6610 I've seen has been a mighty tractor so sometimes lemons are produced even by the larger brands!

mythos110 · 07-06-2016 09:23AM

stantheman1979 wrote: »

Don't laugh but a neighbour bought a new tumasan. He just uses it for yard work and topping, slurry, etc and he loves it. Says its far gutsy and easy to manicure than the NH.It was very cheap and has a very basic cab but it's a nice little tractor.

We've always had a fiat of some description in the yard. Only got rid of my F130 last year and still have a little 2wd 780. Mighty tractors. All my current Renaults are running on the Iveco(Fiat) engines. Couldn't fault them, but I'd probably go for a little more comfort.

whitetail · 07-06-2016 09:25AM

Hi got a 6130 with loader in 2013 put 400 hrs up a year has broke my heart with fuel problems never again. Neighbours have case and nh more than once had to borrow there's!!

mythos110 · 07-06-2016 10:27AM

whitetail wrote: »

Hi got a 6130 with loader in 2013 put 400 hrs up a year has broke my heart with fuel problems never again. Neighbours have case and nh more than once had to borrow there's!!

Excuse my ignorance, is that a Deere?

Reggie. · 07-06-2016 10:46AM

mythos110 wrote: »

The problem I have with my 03 Landini is as I said. It's a smashing tractor to drive but the reliability is poor considering it has less than 3k hours on the clock. Hopefully the current models have sorted that.

I'd find it very hard to let another one into the yard after the experience I've had. That being said, maybe it just happens to be a bad one or not being driven enough - 3k hrs isn't much per year over 13 years! The demo I'm getting over the summer will get a good trial before I make my mind up!

I've seen it before when a neighbour bought a new JD 6610 in 2002. It wouldn't pull the socks off a dead man. Changed injector pumps etc all to no avail. Typically, any other 6610 I've seen has been a mighty tractor so sometimes lemons are produced even by the larger brands!

Can't speak from experience but the new ones look far better made imo from the old ones. Still a perkins in them but I think most people ain't too fond of them

New 100-115hp loader tractor

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