2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Brian? wrote: »

I'm happy for you if you're entertained by purile name calling. This mentality made Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter et al millions and now it's going to give us president Trump.

Let's mock and jeer everyone we disagree with. Mature discourse is for wimps. Loads of rolleye faces

That kind of blase attitude to ethnic slurs is very problematic. That blase attitude to ethnic slurs enables the bigots out there in the general population to act out their bigotry in dangerous ways when they see leaders behaving in this manner. It is very insidious and nasty behaviour.

eire4 wrote: »

No reason for Sanders to go anywhere. There are 6 final states up for grabs next Tuesday including the biggest of them all California. Sanders has massively closed the gap in California and has a shot at an upset win there and winning the majority of the 6 states. If he does that then Clinton may still hold the pledged delegate lead but she would only be able to win the nomination via the rigged super delegates.

I don't get this logic. Sanders can only win with the rigged super delegates. Remove them and lower the target to compensate and Hillary wins.
Remove the undemocratic Caucuses and Hillary destroys Sanders.
She will have won more pledged delegates and more votes. The super delegates should go with her as she is the more popular choice even if her supporters aren't as loud.

Black Swan wrote: »

What does the failed Trump University say about Donald Trump its founder, and now a 2016 presidential candidate?

Trump University opened 2005 and closed 2010. During this time students paid approximately $40 million, with Trump personally receiving approximately $5 million according to Time magazine. Republican presidential candidate Trump is currently a defendant in both the states of New York and California, and according to New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman Trump University defrauded students.

Last Friday 27 May 2016 US District Judge Gonzalo Curiel ordered that Trump University procedures on dealing with students and the media should be unsealed for the California trial. Why not? Does Trump have something to hide regarding the failed Trump University operating procedures? In reply at a rally Trump said: "I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump. A hater. He's a hater."

It should be noted that lawsuits alleging fraud against Trump University and defendant Donald Trump began way before anyone knew that Trump was going to run for 2016 president.

I wonder will this whole trump university thing be the downfall of him. Court case of him de-frauding people will seriously damage what creditably he has. Looking forward to the excuses his fanatical followers will come up with conspiracy etc

Akrasia wrote: »

The main reason Sanders should stay in the race is because there is a non trivial chance that this email fiasco could blow up in Clinton's face before the convention and if that happens, the Dems might need to pick someone else or else hand the presidency to Donald Trump. Clinton's presidential bid is already in shambles given that she is polling neck and neck with Donald Trump. Clinton's trajectory is downwards, just like in her last attempt at becoming president.

If Sanders pulls out now, the Dems would probably try to parachute in Joe Biden into the nomination, but that would be politically impossible if Sanders is still running and has such good polling figures

Oh yeah Sanders has a message to spread so he may as well stay in to spread it and maybe go after super delegates.

Just taking issue with the argument that the system was rigged against him.

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I really wish Sanders would Feck off at this stage he's getting very annoying. I can't see what his problem is and why he thinks the system is rigged. Up until last year he was an independent "NOT" a member of the Dems and then for convenience he decided to join the Dems so he can have his 15mins. It's the same in any political party where the members have to vote internally as to who will be the leader. The senior Dems voted this time it will be Hillary, why would they have voted for a person who was never a been a member of the party. It would be like FG voting for Danny Healy Rae to be leader when eventually they get around to kicking Enda out If sanders wanted to run he should have run as an independent and not piggy back of the Democratic party structure. Ultimately the super Dems will have to live by their decision in the GE in casting their super votes just as FG had to live by their decision to have Enda in place when they should have walked back Into government a couple of months ago.

She has 3 millon more votes than he does, why didn't he complain at the start, because like trump i don't think he really thought he would get this far. It was a platform to say a few things get his 15mins and for trump also he wanted some publicity and say "hey it's Mr. Trump here and I'm really rich" get his 15mins and then wrote a book or sell few more condos. But more it was about his ego so he could say "I'm really rich"

Sorry started off about the Bern and finished on the Trump

Well there certainly are lots of voices in the US on the corporate Democratic side saying Bernie should drop out but that thankfully is not going to happen.


You say you cannot see his point that the system is rigged. Well it is rigged and has been at many levels. Case in point the chair of the DNC Wasserman-Schultz has been doing her best to rig the system since day one. Making sure the super delegates are all lined up for Clinton from before a vote was cast so immediately it looks like from the get go that Sanders has no chance as he is 500 odd delegates behind before a vote is cast. Then she loads up all the most favourable southern states at the start so Clinton can stack up an ever bigger lead. The fact that Sanders has won 20 states overall and has closed the gap to 54-46% on pledged delegates is amazing and speaks to Clinton's weaknesses. Then we have how the corporate Democrats tries to stack the convention committess and shut Sanders out. Then we have just 2 days before the Oregon and Kentucky primaries Wassserman-Schultz demaning an apology for so called violence at the Nevada convention by Sanders supporters and another corporate Democratic senator claiming she feared for her safety. Then a few days later after the vote is over there is mass back peddling as there was no violence and Senator Boxers claims were shown also to be false. These are just some aspects of the rigged corporate Democratic party and why Sanders has a problem with them.


Now as for his joining the Democrats well that is par excellence an example of how rigged and corrupted the American political system is. The 2 party cartel on power in Washington DC between the corrupted Democratic and Republican parties is so strong and so powerful that there is no possibility of any thord party emerging on a national level as a realistic challenger. Thus because of the rigged and corrupted nature of the American political system Sanders had to join the Democratic party to fight the corrupted system form within and we have seen the response from the corporate Democratic leadership who have fought against him from day 1.