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Should there be health warnings on alcohol

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  • #32
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,165 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    More realistic warnings would be better...
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  • #33
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What percentage of drinkers overall are we looking at here though? Minimum pricing disguised as a 'health initiative' is a blunt hammer penalising everybody.

    I have no idea of percentage but I worked bars all my adult life and I'm pretty sure almost everyone in this country has done something irresponsible while drunk at some stage.

    I agree this is a blunt instrument and I believe it is a complete waste of time posting warnings on bottles. I just take issue with the attempt at grabbing some moral high ground as so often happens in this debate.

    I could fill pages of this thread with names of 'responsible' people who were alcoholics. Some of whom would be in positions of great power and responsibility. The very nature of the drug negates any notion of responsible drinking.


  • #34
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    This is Ireland. Your average drinker doesn't read the ingredients on the bottle, and they won't read the warnings either.

    Minimum pricing is a government exercising too much restriction in a (theoretically) free market economy and shouldn't be allowed.


  • #35
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Your average drinker doesn't read the ingredients on the bottle

    For some reason there are no ingredients on the bottle. Alcoholic drinks seem to be the only thing that gets away without publishing them.


  • #36
    Eire Go Brach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭Eire Go Brach


    What's the point? Just look how most of the Irish public view Shane McGowan.
    He is a walking advert for alcoholism. The amount of interview and media attention he gets is just stupid.


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  • #37
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,203 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Won't make any difference to someone who wants to drink excessively IMO but it's a better idea than putting up the price of drink and punishing those of us who want to buy reasonably priced alcohol in supermarkets.


  • #38
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    No, I don't.
    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    It's about protecting people from themselves. ANYTHING consumed to excess is bad for you. Drink enough water and you could kill yourself.

    People are idiots...........
    Debil wrote: »
    No problem with it as long as they are consistent, and put it on everything else that can be harmful if you have a ****eload of it. Tuna, water, tic tacs, etc.



    Yes of course ye are right but :rolleyes: People don't be sitting around buying pints of water or bars of chocolate every 30/45 minutes do they ?

    There is a serious abuse of alcohol in this country and with it comes all sorts of social and domestic problems that cost a fortune to sort out ,from assaults to health, and if by putting labels on alcohol bottles makes more people aware, then what's the problem ?

    Saying drinking water or eating tuna or tictacs is even remotely equal to alcohol consumption and the very real damage it does is ridiculous.


  • #39
    Debil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Debil


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Yes of course ye are right but :rolleyes: People don't be sitting around buying pints of water or bars of chocolate every 30/45 minutes do they ?

    There is a serious abuse of alcohol in this country and with it comes all sorts of social and domestic problems that cost a fortune to sort out ,from assaults to health, and if by putting labels on alcohol bottles makes more people aware, then what's the problem ?

    Saying drinking water or eating tuna or tictacs is even remotely equal to alcohol consumption and the very real damage it does is ridiculous.

    I'd imagine there are probably some crippling eating disorders where reaching for chocolate every 30/45 minutes isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Although, certainly less common than the alcohol issues in Ireland.

    I agree with you, but I'd rather the money spent elsewhere. It seems like throwing money at the result rather than the cause.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    No, I don't.
    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Calorie counts is kinda interesting as most people don't think about calories when drinking (and rightly so unless you're drinking everyday), even though a session could be about 2000 calories.
    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    For some reason there are no ingredients on the bottle. Alcoholic drinks seem to be the only thing that gets away without publishing them.

    Very true, and very strange. The calorie content in even a few litres of beer is shocking. Some years ago I noticed that Coca Cola or most of the other ordinary (i.e. non diet) minerals didn't have the calorie content. Likewise, Bulmers, Guinness and all the rest of the drink companies seem to be a law unto themselves when it comes to denying consumers basic calorie and ingredients information on their products.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    No, I don't.
    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Won't make any difference to someone who wants to drink excessively IMO but it's a better idea than putting up the price of drink and punishing those of us who want to buy reasonably priced alcohol in supermarkets.

    Below cost selling of alcohol is great for the supermarkets and their customers who can drink more alcohol for less money and hopefully, in the eyes of said supermarkets, will get addicted to drinking more alcohol that they ever would have thought of.

    It's not so great for those of us who end up in an A&E ward with drunks and their humours impeding the care of those of us who genuinely do need it. It's also not great for the Irish taxpayer who ends up footing the healthcare bill of such people, or the Irish businesses who lose because of absenteeism and associated problems.

    They're welcome to their "free will" and "free markets" (ha!) for as long as it doesn't impede the lives of the rest of us.


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  • #42
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    No, I don't.
    Phoebas wrote: »
    I agree with the Government proposals, but they should be EU wide.
    Otherwise they are a barrier to trade in the single market because EU producers need to have special labelling for the Irish market and Irish producers need to have special labelling for the EU market.

    I agree entirely. Only EU-wide legislation will do the trick here. Not even Britain could stand up to the food industry with its food labelling proposals and caved into the might of that lobby and its need to conceal the sugar etc [Why food 'traffic-light' labels did not happen (July 2012)].

    However, if we were waiting for EU-wide legislation we'd never have even the smoking ban in public places. Countries like Poland seem to be especially supportive of both the smoking and alcohol industries and therefore it's unlikely we'll get EU-wide legislation here, unfortunately.


  • #43
    Debil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Debil


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Very true, and very strange. The calorie content in even a few litres of beer is shocking. Some years ago I noticed that Coca Cola or most of the other ordinary (i.e. non diet) minerals didn't have the calorie content. Likewise, Bulmers, Guinness and all the rest of the drink companies seem to be a law unto themselves when it comes to denying consumers basic calorie and ingredients information on their products.


    You'll definitely find ingredients on some bottles of beer, 6 pack wrappers, etc. It depends on what you're drinking I guess.

    Never seen percentages of ingredients though, but I guess it's difficult to do this as you'd only be giving amounts of ingredients used in brewing which wouldn't be present in the final beer.

    I haven't noticed any calorie content before, but I think it should be there if possible.


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    No, I don't.
    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Per head consumption doesn't tell the full story though, it's more so how we drink alcohol in Ireland that's the issue. A glass of wine a day is no harm - seven or eight glasses in one sitting is quite the opposite.

    I would have gone along with this at one stage. However, along with the famous French Paradox being debunked years ago, there is growing evidence in very recent times that even moderate consumption of alcohol is bad.

    Is moderate drinking not so good for you after all? (March 2016)

    Drinking alcohol offers no net health benefits (March 2016)

    Moderate Alcohol Consumption May Not Offer Health Benefits: Study (March 2016)


  • #45
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I would have gone along with this at one stage. However, along with the famous French Paradox being debunked years ago, there is growing evidence in very recent times that even moderate consumption of alcohol is bad.

    Is moderate drinking not so good for you after all? (March 2016)

    Drinking alcohol offers no net health benefits (March 2016)

    Moderate Alcohol Consumption May Not Offer Health Benefits: Study (March 2016)
    None of the pieces you linked supports your suggestion that "even moderate consumption of alcohol is bad". They simply call into question the claim that moderate consumption of alcohol is good. Between good and bad you have the neutral ground of "no significant effect".


  • #46
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    So when will we see it on the Dail publicans Pint glasses ?


  • #47
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    No, I don't.
    Mods ye may merge this with the other that I didn't see thanks,


  • #48
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you support the Irish government with this proposal?
    Absolutely not. I keep hearing about various schemes by the government to increase the taxes and regulations on alcohol, and this idea of labelling it (like who doesn't already know that too much alcohol is not good for you?)

    What I find bizarre in the extreme is the idea for minimum pricing - Ireland already has the highest alcohol pricing in the entire European Union, and has the 4th highest alcohol costs in the world (behind only Norway, Iceland and Singapore). How much more expensive should it be, according to our political establishment?

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  • #49
    Impetus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Impetus


    When you buy food in the EU, it has to have a declaration of what is made from (ingredients) and the nutritional value (eg protein and carbs per 100g) etc.

    No such laws apply to beverages.

    The drinks industry would appear to have more political power in the corrupt EU than food processors.

    Similarly when you buy foods produced allegedly within a shop, they are not required to have the same standard of disclosure as processed foods. One wonders why? eg Bread bought in a supermarket, "produced in store" is invariably factory produced, frozen, and receives a final bake in the shop's oven. Essentially the ingredients are factory controlled. No excuse for not labelling the stuff properly.


  • #50
    Ken.
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    Threads merged.


  • #51
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,203 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Below cost selling of alcohol is great for the supermarkets and their customers who can drink more alcohol for less money and hopefully, in the eyes of said supermarkets, will get addicted to drinking more alcohol that they ever would have thought of.

    It's not so great for those of us who end up in an A&E ward with drunks and their humours impeding the care of those of us who genuinely do need it. It's also not great for the Irish taxpayer who ends up footing the healthcare bill of such people, or the Irish businesses who lose because of absenteeism and associated problems.

    They're welcome to their "free will" and "free markets" (ha!) for as long as it doesn't impede the lives of the rest of us.

    Why should I be forced to pay more just because some gobsh1te doesn't know when to stop drinking?

    Anyway the likes of them will drink no matter what the price of it just like with the smokes it won't stop them.


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  • #52
    Mightydrumming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Mightydrumming


    No, I don't.
    All for warnings on alcohol but realistically, slim chance things will change.

    I don't see smokers being turned off pictures of clogged arteries due to smoking so will it make any effect on alcohol?


  • #53
    Alien Haze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭Alien Haze


    No, I don't.
    Mightydrumming wrote: »
    All for warnings on alcohol but realistically, slim chance things will change.

    I don't see smokers being turned off pictures of clogged arteries due to smoking so will it make any effect on alcohol?

    When i started smoking a long time ago when i was 13/14 there was no warnings or clogged artery pictures if there had of been then i wouldn't have started smoking.Everyone around me who smoked said ahh sure they're harmless bit like what a lot of people say about alcohol these days.


  • #54
    Riders Of Rohan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Riders Of Rohan


    No, I don't.
    Anything that affects your mind should come with a warning simple as


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